What caused MS to drop the ball?

Seems MS has really dropped the ball this gen, they're multiplats are inferior, the controller is inferior to DS4, ESram is a pain to work with. What was MS thinking? 360 while being outsold by PS3 was a huge success for MS and gained them a lot of marketshare. Being 500 bucks and having inferior ports isnt going to cut it. With MS current direction, they'll have a hard time against Sonys PS4. What can they do to change their situation and what caused them to go with such archaic architecture? Should they have changed the ram set up and delayed to mid '14? Bad news is coming thier way left and right and i'd like to see them do well this generation. But with no head start, weaker hardware, and higher price, they have their work cut out for them. I mean they had every advantage in the 7th gen but still got outsold, do they stand a chance without those advantages?

It's simple, they got greedy; they're just like Sony back in 2006.

It's kind of funny because a year ago all the experts were going on about how power doesn't matter and how it was all about winning the living room. I guess MS made the misstake of taking analysts seriously?

Kinect success

They got greedy and though they could change the industry on their own, but they had an abortion of a reveal and got knocked the fvck out at E3, consequently they did so many 180's to try and follow the industry leading Sony that people lost track and just nicknamed it xbone 180.

Well, at least one cow stayed in SW after the Battlefield ownage. Anyway...

LOL! You are trying to salve the butthurt. The multiplats are NOT inferior and the controller is a matter of opinion. You cows got a hardware upgrade, XB1 owners got a next-gen system.

Actually the multiplats def are inferior. 50% more pixels on Ps4 is no small difference. I admire you for trying, but this will be one tough gen for lems.

They're busy regrouping and doctoring images. Expect an onslaught of repeated technical specifications with no real substance shortly.

EDIT: See above^ (and probably below)

MS is gonna be fine, remember back in the day 1998-2005 when people talked gaming is was synonymous with sony/playstation brand. Now Xbox is the term that is synonymous with gaming, people bring up xbox every where. I've seen the comparison videos and pics and gifs and some shots I prefer X1 and other prefer PS4. I have know clue about the interior workings of either console and don't pretend to know anything about it, and don't care. Unless Sony puts "More Powerful than Xbox One" on their box for advertisements the masses won't even know either. I'll be jumping on the next gen bus around March and by then there will be way more info out there I can see both in stores and make a decision.

Wonder Woman suggests, "Not enough sacrifices to Lord Kaz....I mean Lord Ares."

Honestly, they dropped the ball and then picked it back up. Their intention was to make a all-in-one entertainment console. They've made mistakes along the way, alot. But leading up to launch day, here's whats a fact.

1. Forza 5, Dead Rising 3, Halo 5, Fable Legends, Killer Instinct, Crimson Dragon represent bringing popular franchises back with next gen graphics.

2. Titanfall, Sunset Overdrive, Ryse, Project Spark, Quantum Break represent all new IP's.

3. Kinect 2.0, vastly superior and in every box sold, turning the HD TV you already have into a Smart tv.

4.Securing all major third party devs to support the system.

5. Dedicated servers for all multiplayer games.

6. Original exclusive programming, the ability to snap two things onscreen at the same time - quick switching from game to tv to streaming movie, ect

Now for the bad stuff.

1. The hardware in terms of graphics is inferior to the PS4, but the degree of that is in serious doubt. Just judging the One on games shown for it, the jump from last gen is pretty huge. See Ryse, Dead Rising 3, and TitanFall. But the system will not produce better visuals than the PS4. They will still be pretty awesome though. Again, visuals only. Game quality is something each person will judge.

2. Rumors of the OS being a mess. Likely all true, and yet being worked on hard and we were updated just yesterday by 2 MS reps that they are on target for a solid OS launch on launch day. If thats a lie their credibility and that of the company will go in the toilet, lol. So I think they know all issues will be hammered out by then. Sony is reported to have them as well to a lesser degree.

With the bad policies gone and games being shown, launch day is on the 22 and so long as things are working fine then, MS has done very well recovering from the horror of E3, lol. As for the price, the extra hundred bucks is something I justify because I want the Xbox One features and Kinect 2.0 more than I want superior hardware for graphics. There are a number of things the One can do that the PS4 can't. And their gaming line-up is far superior in my eyes. But I absolutely understand if you could give less than a **** about entertainment stuff, tv shows and kinect. Maybe you can respect that I do.

If they feel like they can lose half of their fanbase but double the profit margin off of whoever sticks around, that's what they'll do. They'll take it on the chin if they feel they can start at the most profitable base margin as possible.

XBox was never about games. It was about MS getting a taste of residual revenue growth generation off of a service delivery model. That's the truth. Take it or leave it.

The people who made the Xbox 1 and 360 great are gone; both consoles were affordable, not hard to develop for and cutting edge for their time. That odious plonker Mattrick and other suits within MS had a hand in Bone development and seemed to think winning NA means they could do whatever they want(?)

I've heard 2 rumors about this:

1. MS was planning a 2014 launch, but Sony blindsided them during the PS4 reveal. Now MS rushing a half-baked product out the door.

2. The Xbox One's design and development was HEAVILY interfered with by corporate dumbasses, instead of actual engineers.

Both of these are completely believable.

Lol, I guess I haven't been playing games for the last 7 years *rolls eyes* And they wont lose 50% of their fanbase. Not even close. But I doubt neither MS nor Sony sell as well as last gen. To many new factors, new devices, ect.

I guess you haven't been paying Live fees, either?

Xbox was always a second tier console. It always stood in the shadow of playstation.

You don't have to pay for XBL to play games on the 360. I never have.

I'm playing Dragon's Dogma right now, I am connected to XBL though as a free member.

EDIT: Maybe they'll introduce a fee for single-player games seeing as they didn't get away with the DRM.

Whatever helps you sleep at night. Everyone reviewing BF4 says they look "about the same".

TitanFall is on 360 and PC, but maybe those other positives will help it. The degree of PS4 supeiority is in doubt? How so? 360 never had an advantage like this over PS3 but the differences made 360 known as the place to play multiplats in the US because of it. Battlefield 4 is incredibly gimped on XO, theres no way to spin that. PS3 had some gimped multiplats but never to that degree. The PS4 version is pushing 50% more pixels with a better framerate and graphics.

How did MS not see this coming though choosing such low quality ram and going with a card 50% less powerful than their competition. I mean PS4 has twice the shaders and its cheaper. I still can't think what MS was thinking. You could be right, about them taking the analysts serious.

Sure.

This is still a problem. The fact that the PS4 version may be even slightly better, at all, seriously calls into question whether or not the higher price tag for the Xbox One is actually worth it. Your average customer may not care about resolution, or AA, or whatever. But if they hear some vague word of mouth that the "PS4 version is better"... well that's bad news for MS. Even if they don't know how or why its better.

You went from gloating over 1% differences of 360/PS3 multiplats to downplaying the huge difference on PS4/XO? Must suck being loyal to MS. This gen isn't going to be very kind to you.

@danabo said:

@NineTailedGoku said:

TitanFall is on 360 and PC, but maybe those other positives will help it. The degree of PS4 supeiority is in doubt? How so? 360 never had an advantage like this over PS3 but the differences made 360 known as the place to play multiplats in the US because of it. Battlefield 4 is incredibly gimped on XO, theres no way to spin that. PS3 had some gimped multiplats but never to that degree. The PS4 version is pushing 50% more pixels with a better framerate and graphics.

Sure.

You just cherry picked one of only two or three instances throughout the entire video where the Xbox One has a higher framerate.

@PraetorianMan said:

@danabo said:

@NineTailedGoku said:

TitanFall is on 360 and PC, but maybe those other positives will help it. The degree of PS4 supeiority is in doubt? How so? 360 never had an advantage like this over PS3 but the differences made 360 known as the place to play multiplats in the US because of it. Battlefield 4 is incredibly gimped on XO, theres no way to spin that. PS3 had some gimped multiplats but never to that degree. The PS4 version is pushing 50% more pixels with a better framerate and graphics.

Sure.

You just cherry picked one of only two or three instances throughout the entire video where the Xbox One has a higher framerate.

It's funny how that works.

I guess power doesn't matter that much in absolute terms, but it matters some to be the best (especially if you are also the cheapest). We will so though this isn't over yet. Maybe time will prove MS right. Now they seem to be in a real tough spot marketing wise. I mean when the embargos are broken and Sony can start to pump out the: "only console that plays COD in true HD" message out, it's gonna be ugly for MS, even among casuals.

@danabo said:

@NineTailedGoku said:

TitanFall is on 360 and PC, but maybe those other positives will help it. The degree of PS4 supeiority is in doubt? How so? 360 never had an advantage like this over PS3 but the differences made 360 known as the place to play multiplats in the US because of it. Battlefield 4 is incredibly gimped on XO, theres no way to spin that. PS3 had some gimped multiplats but never to that degree. The PS4 version is pushing 50% more pixels with a better framerate and graphics.

Sure.

Sorry, youre not fooling anyone with that gif. Digital Foundry admitting to botching the comparison in favor of XO but still gave PS4 version the definitive edge. No Dice bro. The blacks are crushed anyway in the image, it looks horrible on XO. Look at all the jaggies. Also nice cherry picking with the framerate screengrab. That was like what....2 seconds of the video in which PS4 had a far more consistant framerate. Desperation at its finest.

@NineTailedGoku said:

@danabo said:

@NineTailedGoku said:

TitanFall is on 360 and PC, but maybe those other positives will help it. The degree of PS4 supeiority is in doubt? How so? 360 never had an advantage like this over PS3 but the differences made 360 known as the place to play multiplats in the US because of it. Battlefield 4 is incredibly gimped on XO, theres no way to spin that. PS3 had some gimped multiplats but never to that degree. The PS4 version is pushing 50% more pixels with a better framerate and graphics.

Sure.

Sorry, youre not fooling anyone with that gif. Digital Foundry admitting to botching the comparison in favor of XO but still gave PS4 version the definitive edge. No Dice bro. The blacks are crushed anyway in the image, it looks horrible on XO. Look at all the jaggies.

This should be in the sticky at the top.

But.

Regarding the Xbox One version - http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-battlefield-4-face-off-qa

"Is this the result of you processing the footage to make it look better compared to PlayStation 4?

Um, you don't make a game look better by crushing subtle detail. The lowering of dynamic range like this physically can't make a game look better - it can only look worse.

@NineTailedGoku: I think they are just late to the party. We'll see what happens after the embargo is lifted and those patches are put in place.

They got too comfortable, that's all. After they sell less units than they expect compared to Sony they'll tighten up and focus again.

@Suppaman100 said:

Xbox was always a second tier console. It always stood in the shadow of playstation.

If second tier means acquiring a huge chunk of market share from major competitors...

They wanted to see if they can keep milking their fans and hope nobody would notice but it backfired.

Greed is bad

At least try to make sense, ok.

Kinect

Shhhh, its fun watching them run in circles. They can't stand that the actual HD gameplay footage doesn't hold anywhere near a 50% difference in graphics. But if we wait, eventually the PS4 will show that.

Sony: Just Wait part 2 :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=lspjyu31Joo

Both versions look fine, nearly identicle tbh. Inb4 cows screams butthurt.

WTF? DriveClub, Infamous, and the Order comes out early next year. You Xbox fanboys are hilarious. Youve been reduced to saying random shit and hoping it sticks. Do you guys even try to back up your claims anymore?

*Games not available at launch.

@danabo said:

@NineTailedGoku said:

@kuu2 said:

Sorry but games are out now and no one is buying the "MSoft dropped the ball" FUD any longer. Keep hope alive though. Have fun with Knack and be praying that Blur/Bloom/FogZone scores well otherwise it will be a long year without games to play on PS4.

WTF? DriveClub, Infamous, and the Order comes out early next year. You Xbox fanboys are hilarious.

*Games not available at launch.

Just wait part 2. Calling it now!

u mad bro?

Of course he is, he's iKINGBOBi.

More like what caused Sony to drop the ball. Where are they right now? Why aren't we hearing about all the great and unique features the PS4 offers and how it is way more powerful?

They essentially sat back let Microsoft become a competitor again after the initial mess up, and now with the money Microsoft have become serious competitors again. Now the PS4 offers nothing of interest because the games have been delayed, once again Xbox looks like the online multiplayer console of choice, casual console of choice with kinect and multimedia console of choice.

Drive Turd with it's 25 FPS, an Infamous spin off and the Order which is an unproven franchise. It's funny, cows give games like Quantum Break and Sunset Overdrive flak but attempt to hype The Order even though we haven't seen any gameplay from it.

@blackace said:

@NineTailedGoku: I think they are just late to the party. We'll see what happens after the embargo is lifted and those patches are put in place.

Whats the point of your photos? Didn't digital foundry say they screwed up the comparison. LINK

Go and watch the JackFrag videos. The PS4 multiplayer looks better than the XO singleplayer. PS4 commands a 50% pixel difference, has better framerate, more effects, etc. Are you trying to argue otherwise? Didn't see that when 360 had so much as a 1% difference. Aren't you supposed to be a manticore? Doesn't seem like it to me. Just admit youre a Lem and get it over with. I can admit I'm a Cow lmao. I'll still get all the platforms but I prefere Sony.

I never glorified anything. In my previous 360 vs PS3 threads, the context of all Lemmings was that "the power of the Cell isn't all that". And, we were right, for the most part.

Ego. It ballooned because of a successful gen with 360. Happened to Sony with PS3.