What console would you make for 400 bucks?

I give you a 399 limit budget. Try to make a modern console with everything it needs (hardware, controller, ect.) and it must cover the production expenses (if not be profitable).

decent pc.

assuming i could do that.Besides $400 for a consoles too expensive thats getting in the league of rig building.

I'd spend it all just buying a new name for the Vita. Maybe "PS Darkassassinsniperninja" or something cool like that.

On a serious note i'd make a Dreamcast 2 with backwards compatibility, using AMD chips and have plenty of good memory, at the very least 2Gb not including Graphics Memory which i'd have probably a ATI 5770 and Blu Ray as the medium.

400? And at least breaking even on costs? How much of a discount does Nintendo and them get on hardware? I'd prefer to spend 600$, and charge 450-500 and hope my software sales make up for it.

I dunno though, for 400... just build the wiiu w/o the controller, and spend a little more on the insides, try and get something of a 5850ish in there and 2gbish of ram?

i would want 2 gigs of ddr3, a quad core cpu, blu ray drive, the equivalent of a gtx285 and a blue tooth controller. i would probably need a hd, so they're pretty cheap lets say 100 gigs of hd space.

basically i want a console that can do real 1080p on all games at 60fps

i would want 2 gigs of ddr3, a quad core cpu, blu ray drive, the equivalent of a gtx285 and a blue tooth controller. i would probably need a hd, so they're pretty cheap lets say 100 gigs of hd space.

basically i want a console that can do real 1080p on all games at 60fps

z4twenny

Consolidate Emulators. Create channels for the Wii.

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Comes to around 290$ I can get a cheap 20$ psu, hdd and whatever 20$ case consoles use and still have 50$ to upgrade whatever I see fit or take as profit. Considering console manufactures get a huge discount ordering in bulk I could have even better hardware.

no visual improvement over what? thats better than a lot of gaming pc's.

do me a favor and explain WHY there would be no visual improvement as generally speakeing in pc building, more ram, faster gpu and faster cpu = better graphics when gaming

if you buy in bulk or get customized chips in bulk you will NOT pay consumer price. not at all.

quad core cpu @ 3.4 (ish)
GPU at the level of agtx 460or better (1 GB)
2 GB of ram (ddr3)

standard input/outputs with m/kb support.

360ish controller, but the sticks would need more tension. they are too loose.

no visual improvement over what? thats better than a lot of gaming pc's.

do me a favor and explain WHY there would be no visual improvement as generally speaker in pc building, more ram, faster gpu and faster cpu = better graphics when gaming

z4twenny

You're tripling(nearly) the resolution and doubling the framerate, that'll consume most of the power, besides textures and some scale, the amount of crap you have running to make the game prettier is going to be limited...

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no visual improvement over what? thats better than a lot of gaming pc's.

do me a favor and explain WHY there would be no visual improvement as generally speaker in pc building, more ram, faster gpu and faster cpu = better graphics when gaming

Inconsistancy

Sacrificing either the resolution or framerate, and you can get a ton more performance out of it, but if you're strict about the 1080/60hz thing...

you're not making any sense. sacrifice the res or framerate to get more performance out of what? all i'm really getting at is with that setup you could easily run crysis (or any other graphically demanding game) at a high graphics setting and it would be fairly hiccupless.

also as it is,the ps3/xbox360are really only limited by their gpu and ram in their current iterations. all im really doing is bumping those up to get "next gen" graphics. as it is they're working off what 512 megs of ram and a tweaked out versions of a 7800. do you know the difference between a 7800 and a 285gtx?

you're not making any sense. sacrifice the res or framerate to get more performance out of what? all i'm really getting at is with that setup you could easily run crysis (or any other graphically demanding game) at a high graphics setting and it would be fairly hiccupless.

also as it is,the ps3/xbox360are really only limited by their gpu and ram in their current iterations. all im really doing is bumping those up to get "next gen" graphics. as it is they're working off what 512 megs of ram and a tweaked out versions of a 7800. do you know the difference between a 7800 and a 285gtx?

z4twenny

It's an upgrade, but it's not holy wtf Samaritan demo difference. It's too minor unless you have huge name recognition, exclusives and casuals (nintendo) to attract gamers.

And yes, it runs Crysis easily, but not at 1080/60hz, not close.

If you sacrifice either the resolution, fps, aa or all of it, you gain all that extra performance for other areas, scale, shaders, silly crap like that...

Now, some games will have a noticable improvement, specifically the ones that already run at either 1080/60, 1080/30(i dunno any games in this category), 720/60, any other game is going to just be upscalled, better textrues, and a bit more fluid. So, Rage, CoD, Forza, DMC, Bayo(360) will look better, but Uncharted, Gears, Halo, they'll just be smoother and higher res, nothing else.(because they had to sacrifice something to get there, Rage sacrificed it's dynamic light, CoD sacrified.. everything, Forza, I dunno that's witchcraft)

oooh i love these threads. ok first im going to make a few assumptions for my post though.

1) i will roughly be using PC components BUT i will be taking 1/3rd off the price of everything. buying in bulk and all that good stuff.

2) i will be including the cost of a controller of course. it wont be a 360 or PS3 controller though...instead im just going to se aside a cost of 50 quid to make one.

3) i will factor in 10 quid into the cost for the OS. this is to cover my development costs and future development costs (patches and so on).

4) as mentioned in the TCs post i will be breaking even. no loss leader strategy here.

5) im using the classic console conversion rate. so 1 dollar = 1 euro. i will just give the number for cost.

6) i will also factor in 10 quid for the cost of the casing. PC cases are made of metal mostly but as with all console my console will have plastic.

7) the cost of cooling will be covered by the cost of the various components. GPUs, CPUs and where necessary mobos come with their own cooling. so for arguments sake thats covered.

8) my console will not play movies from discs so i wont be including the cost of playback software.

9) im not buying seperate ram. instead the GPUs ram will instead be the ram for the entire system (so the GPU and CPU can access it..like on a 360).

so here goes:

OS: some weird custom built OS- 10

Case: 10

Blu-ray drive: 50

graphics card: nvidia GTX 560 with 1GB of ram (so the console will have 1GB) and twin frozr2 cooler (cooling sorted)- 134.

HDD: 320GB internal 2.5" 7200RPM- 34

Motherboard: GF615m-PS3. this mobo includes sound and an ethernet port. however im lobbing off a bit more than a third here as it includes a GPU. dont need that. 25

CPU: AMD Athlon 2 X3 450 3.2GHz - 46.

Power supply: 400watt power suppply. 27

Controller: 50.

bluetooth: 10

wireless: 802.11n 15.

ok so thats 411 euros/dollars. however im buying alot more silicon than i need to here also. since everythign will be bolted onto the mobo i would argue that that would bring it in just below budget. just dont ask how much below :P.

graphics card: nvidia GTX 560 with 1GB of ram (so the console will have 1GB) and twin frozr2 cooler (cooling sorted)- 134.
GPU. dont need that. 25 osan0

And yes, it runs Crysis easily, but not at 1080/60hz, not close.

Inconsistancy

huh? im out man, this is ridiculous. i disagree with you to great lengths but i don't care enough to argue with you about it.

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And yes, it runs Crysis easily, but not at 1080/60hz, not close.

z4twenny

huh? im out man, this is ridiculous. i disagree with you to great lengths but i don't care enough to argue with you about it.

Let's say resolution costs 2 apples (going from 720 to 1080), and fps cost 3 apples (going from 30fps {33ms} to 60fps {16ms}), you have room for 6 apples(a 285 is ~ around 5-6x ish more powerful than the consoles). That means you can only add 1 apple worth of graphics improvement before you max out your budget of 6 apples . That's not that much.

If this "basically i want a console that can do real 1080p on all games at 60fps" is what you want, then you get 1 apple of overall visual improvement.

[QUOTE="osan0"] graphics card: nvidia GTX 560 with 1GB of ram (so the console will have 1GB) and twin frozr2 cooler (cooling sorted)- 134.
GPU. dont need that. 25 Inconsistancy

sorry its a run on sentence. i was saying that i was taking a bit more than the usual 3rd off the motherboard price because it had a GPU (a 6150). that part is still about the motherboard. ill clean the post up a bit i think.

osan0