What do you think hurts gaming the most?

So name it: what's the worst thing to happen to gaming this generation.

As for me, I'd say

Nintendo's innovation. Sure it's good for Ninny, but for every action there's an opposite and equal reaction. That's not to say Wii isn't a good system or not capable of good games: But it's the catalyst that will spark the trend towards more casual games.

Microtransactions. Pay $5-$10 for addons or maps that should of been in the game orginally. No thanks. Why not give us that content for free, since you know, we bought your game.

Multiple SKU'S: Wow! now instead of having to choose weather or not to buy a console, I now have to choose which version of that console I should get. And if that's not bad, the version I get may be rendered obsolete by a better model later down the line at a better price.And to top it all off, my console may not even work: (Looking at you Microsoft).

In the long run the wii if it achives PS2 levels of sales

In the short terms the 360 lack of reliablity

1. Kids shooting up schools that own video games.
2. idiots who take gaming too seriously and will kill over it (or themselves)
3. Movie based games
4. Ignoramuses that buy anything that is hyped a lot

Online gaming, nothing else comes close to being as bad

Too many devs just make the single player game a introduction to the online multiplayer.

Since online gaming his become mainstream video games have seen a sharp decline in quality.

No.1 should be fanboys. They are easy to spot but hard to squash.

I do not think any of them are bad at all.

1- Cheers to nintendo. I do not own one but what they did is working. As we can see a lot of people like it. Just look at sales.

2-Microtransactions- Big deal. you do not want it do not buy it if you do then buy it. I do not see how a choice is a bad thing? Also this allows added maps,new weapons, or whatever after the game is out.

3- Skus- more choices FTW. For example I think the 360 core is lame but other may like it. I think the no BC 40gb PS3 is stupid but other may like it.

1. Kids shooting up schools that own video games.
2. idiots who take gaming too seriously and will kill over it (or themselves)
3. Movie based games
4. Ignoramuses that buy anything that is hyped a lot

That's my list. majadamus

Agree.

The success of World of Warcraft. Now everyone is making a MMO.

Hypocrites who criticize Nintendo for being too casual yet completely ignore Microsoft, Gears of War and Halo 3. Those two games are as casual as any game on the Wii, where the hell's the mass hatred for that?Video_Game_King

when games become stagnant, when ideas run out, when games are made simply because, when games aren't made from the gameplay-inside-out, when games become too expensive, when games become 'inaccessible'...

[QUOTE="Video_Game_King"]Hypocrites who criticize Nintendo for being too casual yet completely ignore Microsoft, Gears of War and Halo 3. Those two games are as casual as any game on the Wii, where the hell's the mass hatred for that?jack_russel

Really? I believe many fanboys called Pokemon casual back in 98. It was popular. Whats different about this? (NOTE: I wasn't here in 1998, don't hold my accountable :P)

price of games. a complete rip off at the mo imho. it also means more ppl stick to what they know is good and take fewer chances with games that might be good. this is a factor in why so many great games fail in the sales area (lack of marketing being another big area but thats a different matter). the price has to stop going up. the extra cost is simply not justified.

kinda related to the above bit, but the lack of, for lack of a better word, balls in this industry is astounding. we have the next gen kicking in and what do we get.....same stuff just shinier. almost every dev is sticking to the status quo.....make the same game....but with more splosions and better graphics. i mean....has any dev actually gone and made changes to a physics engine so they could play with the laws of physics and create some interesting gameplay out of that? no....there keeping it real. its pathetic...it really is. physics are just being used for more eye candy. every other area bar graphics is being completly neglected. games industry....try harder. what do we get next gen? same games but with more detailed physics and shinier graphics?

[QUOTE="jack_russel"][QUOTE="Video_Game_King"]Hypocrites who criticize Nintendo for being too casual yet completely ignore Microsoft, Gears of War and Halo 3. Those two games are as casual as any game on the Wii, where the hell's the mass hatred for that?Video_Game_King

Really? I believe many fanboys called Pokemon casual back in 98. It was popular. Whats different about this? (NOTE: I wasn't here in 1998, don't hold my accountable :P)

Pokemon games were a massive phenonemon in the late 90's, and 2000. Yeah, casuals ate them up. But Pokemon Red, Blue, Yellow, Gold, Silver, all the main ones released in that craze, they were good games. They recieved rave reviews, they deserved to sell well.

Gears Of War, scored 9.6, and the Hardcore difficulty level in it would pretty much scare off any casual. It wasn't made to be a casual game, but it appealed to casuals for the same reason an R-Rated action flick would. Awesome visuals, guns, shooting, violence, gore, it's all good.

Halo marked a revolution in console shooters, that has continued on in it's 3rd iteration. Again, this game wasn't made for casuals, but it still happened to appeal to them. Each game in the series got great reviews.

See, these are hardcore games that score well, but just happen to appeal to a mainstream audience. That's how it should be done, not the way Nintendo does it.

So, let's look at the Wii. Casual crap from first and third party developers. Games like Cooking Mama are not good. They don't score good. They are made for casuals, they aren't hardcore games that appeal to casuals, they are casual games to begin with. And pretty much most of these games score horribly and are laughed at by real gamers. But like I said, they appeal to casuals, so that's why they sell well.

So what we have on PC, 360, and sometimes PS3 is:
Quality hardcore titles that sometimes appeal to casuals and sell quite well

And on Wii:
Crap casual titles meant to appeal to casuals, and sell quite well

I'd much rather have good games that sell well, than bad games that sell well. That's why I own a 360.

What hurts gaming the most? Lack of quality, inspired games

The flood of sequels and developers catering to what gamers want. In other words, what's popular. Notice the amount of shooters on the market? There's my point. I'm tired of shooters, personally, and developers need to go out in different directions. We know a shooter will sell. But try to make something else, a quality game in a different genre and see how well that does.

when games become stagnant, when ideas run out, when games are made simply because, when games aren't made from the gameplay-inside-out, when games become too expensive, when games become 'inaccessible'...

Pangster007

Made some very good points.

Nothing is really hurting gaming this generation. That is just fear mongering for the sake of fear mongering.

This generation is set to make the gaming industry show the greatest overall growth that we have ever seen, repeatedly year after year.

That's a good thing.

Nothing is really hurting gaming this generation. That is just fear mongering for the sake of fear mongering.

This generation is set to make the gaming industry show the greatest overall growth that we have ever seen, repeatedly year after year.

That's a good thing.

Bgrngod

Right..:roll:

1. Kids shooting up schools that own video games.
2. idiots who take gaming too seriously and will kill over it (or themselves)
3. Movie based games
4. Ignoramuses that buy anything that is hyped a lot

That's my list. majadamus

I think what hurts gamming the most is multiple platforms. Most people aren't willing to buy multiple platforms, so they have to settle for the ammount and type of games that are avaliable to their system.

In a market that already has so many different tastes, diferent focus and ways, having 3 vendors each monopolizing their platforms greatly fragments the market and scares the public.

You just made this thread so that everyone would come in here saying Nintendo. Well, you're not gonna get that from me, because even though a lot of crap games are being put on the Wii right now, Nintendo's innovations are broadening the market. When the industry as a whole is healthier than it ever was before, then I wouldn't call that a bad thing.REVOLUTIONfreak

[QUOTE="REVOLUTIONfreak"]You just made this thread so that everyone would come in here saying Nintendo. Well, you're not gonna get that from me, because even though a lot of crap games are being put on the Wii right now, Nintendo's innovations are broadening the market. When the industry as a whole is healthier than it ever was before, then I wouldn't call that a bad thing.V_Isle

Multiple SKUs

$400+ consoles

Lack of innovative titles

[QUOTE="V_Isle"][QUOTE="REVOLUTIONfreak"]You just made this thread so that everyone would come in here saying Nintendo. Well, you're not gonna get that from me, because even though a lot of crap games are being put on the Wii right now, Nintendo's innovations are broadening the market. When the industry as a whole is healthier than it ever was before, then I wouldn't call that a bad thing.REVOLUTIONfreak

So you're denying the fact that the industry has become healthier since Nintendo's innovations? All you have to do is look at the monthly growth from year to year, and that tells the entire story.REVOLUTIONfreak

I don't think the market would have grown without the DS or Wii.

[QUOTE="Bgrngod"]

Nothing is really hurting gaming this generation. That is just fear mongering for the sake of fear mongering.

This generation is set to make the gaming industry show the greatest overall growth that we have ever seen, repeatedly year after year.

That's a good thing.

V_Isle

Right..:roll:

whats more casual halo or tetris?

[QUOTE="V_Isle"][QUOTE="REVOLUTIONfreak"]You just made this thread so that everyone would come in here saying Nintendo. Well, you're not gonna get that from me, because even though a lot of crap games are being put on the Wii right now, Nintendo's innovations are broadening the market. When the industry as a whole is healthier than it ever was before, then I wouldn't call that a bad thing.REVOLUTIONfreak

Possibly the remaking of the same system over and over again.

I don't think the market becoming increasingly casual is a bad thing, casuals seem to like games like GTA, Halo, Guitar hero, and mariokart, all of which are great.

I think whats hurting gamingis the developers focusing on making too many shooters, I don't mind them but theres only so many you can play before it becomes a total borefest. So basically if your not a shooter fan or are just getting tired of them like myself.. Then tough luck, gaming is not how it used to be when there was veriaty and moregames to choose..

Also I don't know how or if it's just me but games in general have lost there touch, there not as good as they used to be.. The developers must be losing it or getting money hungry, I think it has to do with casualizing games and graphics... and rising development costs. Nintendo is only ruining gaming further casualizing there games even more.

Casual **** like the Wii. I see so many idiots congratulating Nintendo simply for sales. They were so desperate after getting their *** kicked by Sony and MS, they made a casual ****box in an attempt to not go bankrupt, and it worked. And now they want to destroy the gaming industry by alienating real core gamers, and replacing them with grandmas, girls, and other morons who always considered themselves too "mature" and "cool" to play games before, but all of a sudden they drool over Wii Sports and other kiddy crap.

Screw them.

V_Isle

Nintendo purposely wanting to destroy the gaming industry?

That statement just made me LMAO. :lol:

[QUOTE="Video_Game_King"]

[QUOTE="jack_russel"][QUOTE="Video_Game_King"]Hypocrites who criticize Nintendo for being too casual yet completely ignore Microsoft, Gears of War and Halo 3. Those two games are as casual as any game on the Wii, where the hell's the mass hatred for that?V_Isle

Really? I believe many fanboys called Pokemon casual back in 98. It was popular. Whats different about this? (NOTE: I wasn't here in 1998, don't hold my accountable :P)

Pokemon games were a massive phenonemon in the late 90's, and 2000. Yeah, casuals ate them up. But Pokemon Red, Blue, Yellow, Gold, Silver, all the main ones released in that craze, they were good games. They recieved rave reviews, they deserved to sell well.

Gears Of War, scored 9.6, and the Hardcore difficulty level in it would pretty much scare off any casual. It wasn't made to be a casual game, but it appealed to casuals for the same reason an R-Rated action flick would. Awesome visuals, guns, shooting, violence, gore, it's all good.

Halo marked a revolution in console shooters, that has continued on in it's 3rd iteration. Again, this game wasn't made for casuals, but it still happened to appeal to them. Each game in the series got great reviews.

See, these are hardcore games that score well, but just happen to appeal to a mainstream audience. That's how it should be done, not the way Nintendo does it.

So, let's look at the Wii. Casual crap from first and third party developers. Games like Cooking Mama are not good. They don't score good. They are made for casuals, they aren't hardcore games that appeal to casuals, they are casual games to begin with. And pretty much most of these games score horribly and are laughed at by real gamers. But like I said, they appeal to casuals, so that's why they sell well.

So what we have on PC, 360, and sometimes PS3 is:
Quality hardcore titles that sometimes appeal to casuals and sell quite well

And on Wii:
Crap casual titles meant to appeal to casuals, and sell quite well

I'd much rather have good games that sell well, than bad games that sell well. That's why I own a 360.

btw none of the casual wii games sell good. zelda: tp is the best selling game. re4 has 800k. mp3 got 500k in 1 month. super paper mario 1.5m

I think censorship is very bad for gaming. It ruins the possibilities within games to become art and not just some toy. There are so many things that could be accomplished by games seeing it is an interactive medium but look how little gaming has evolved in the last 10 years....

Thats what I think hurts the most. Think of it this way: What if Nietzsche, Sade or Dostoyevsky had been censored?? Or Clockwork Orange or Fight Club???

Developers do not take as many chances/risks as they should and I think it is because people believe that games are for kids. They are NOT! Just as there are movies and books for adults there should be games for adults.

[QUOTE="jack_russel"][QUOTE="Video_Game_King"]Hypocrites who criticize Nintendo for being too casual yet completely ignore Microsoft, Gears of War and Halo 3. Those two games are as casual as any game on the Wii, where the hell's the mass hatred for that?Video_Game_King

Really? I believe many fanboys called Pokemon casual back in 98. It was popular. Whats different about this? (NOTE: I wasn't here in 1998, don't hold my accountable :P)