What exactly is the cell?

What exactly is it and whats so special about it? I always hear people talking about it.

Do you know about google or wikipedia? I always hear people talking about them too.

It is a processor. It's the PS3's processor.

I do and I understand its a processor but I'm not so sure whats so special about it.

What is the cell?

What's so speical about it?

Without the cell we wouldn't be alive, all living things are here because of the cell.

I do and I understand its a processor but I'm not so sure whats so special about it.

Canindian_Boy

I do and I understand its a processor but I'm not so sure whats so special about it.

Canindian_Boy

It's irregular and is capable of doing insane calculations. Which means that it's A) Worthless for gaming... or B) has this legendary untapped potential.

oh.. oh.. oh... it's magic.... you know.... never belive it's not so....

:P

I do and I understand its a processor but I'm not so sure whats so special about it.

Canindian_Boy

I do and I understand its a processor but I'm not so sure whats so special about it.

Canindian_Boy

Here you go.

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I do and I understand its a processor but I'm not so sure whats so special about it.

organic_machine

It's irregular and is capable of doing insane calculations. Which means that it's A) Worthless for gaming... or B) has this legendary untapped potential.

http://www.gametrailers.com/video/helicopter-gameplay-uncharted-2/57340

Orly.....

False dichotomy. I choose answer C) it melts faces when in capable developers' hands.

False dichotomy. I choose answer C) it melts faces when in capable developers' hands.

Brownesque

On paper. The reality is that most graphics engines are heavily GPU-centric. So, in reality, Sony would have been much better off either investing all that money into a insane GPU or at least into giving the console a crapload of more ram.

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I do and I understand its a processor but I'm not so sure whats so special about it.

MetroidPrimePwn

Here you go.

Dude that that was cool but it still doesn't explain whats so special about it. I mean if you look at PS3 and 360 in terms of graphics and physics, the ps3 is honestly not much better.. Killzone, MGS4, Uncharted are really the only games I see that have a noticeable difference.

PS3s' 7 core processor running at 3.2GHZ opposed to X360s' less-powerful-but-still-better-than-Wii's-CPU 3 core running at 3.2GHz

X360s' CPU works more easily than PS3s' though

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False dichotomy. I choose answer C) it melts faces when in capable developers' hands.

organic_machine

On paper. The reality is that most graphics engines are heavily GPU-centric. So, in reality, Sony would have been much better off either investing all that money into a insane GPU or at least into giving the console a crapload of more ram.

A movie directed by Tarsem Singh starring Jennifer Lopez, Vincent D'Onofrio and Vince Vaughn.

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Thanks!

No, in reality, you get Uncharted 2. Go figure. Looks like you should go back to the drawing board, bro.Brownesque

How big are the levels in Uncharted 2? Not very. Especially in comparison to some PC games like Stalker or Crysis. The Cell mught be great, but with almost no ram and a mediocre GPU, the only way to accomplish U2 level graphics is to make the worlds small and static.

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I do and I understand its a processor but I'm not so sure whats so special about it.

Canindian_Boy

Here you go.

Dude that that was cool but it still doesn't explain whats so special about it. I mean if you look at PS3 and 360 in terms of graphics and physics, the ps3 is honestly not much better.. Killzone, MGS4, Uncharted are really the only games I see that have a noticeable difference.

Dude that that was cool but it still doesn't explain whats so special about it. I mean if you look at PS3 and 360 in terms of graphics and physics, the ps3 is honestly not much better.. Killzone, MGS4, Uncharted are really the only games I see that have a noticeable difference.

Canindian_Boy

It's apparently really good at handling floating point calculations.

I have no idea what that means at all, but it sounds really badass.

(as far as computer stuff goes)

you mean this ?http://www.cell.com/read it all about!

[QUOTE="Brownesque"]No, in reality, you get Uncharted 2. Go figure. Looks like you should go back to the drawing board, bro.organic_machine

How big are the levels in Uncharted 2? Not very. Especially in comparison to some PC games like Stalker or Crysis. The Cell mught be great, but with almost no ram and a mediocre GPU, the only way to accomplish U2 level graphics is to make the worlds small and static.

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I do and I understand its a processor but I'm not so sure whats so special about it.

Brownesque

You do know that each core in the xbox processor also is dual threaded, right?

Also on a side note, the seven spes in the cell processor are more like gimped cores, they are not real cores. The clocking is the same for both processors.

In theory the cell would give a slight advantage in CPU heavy calculations.

This is Cell

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I do and I understand its a processor but I'm not so sure whats so special about it.

fireballonfire

You do know that each core in the xbox processor also is dual threaded, right?

Also on a side note, the seven spes in the cell processor are more like gimped cores, they are not real cores. The clocking is the same for both processors.

In theory the cell would give a slight advantage in CPU heavy calculations.

Does that mean that Xenon is 19.2GHz while Cell is 22.4GHz?

Basically this.

No one can be told what the Cell is. You have to see it for yourself.Cherokee_Jack

Hold on I'm gonna get my hammer...

[QUOTE="Brownesque"][QUOTE="Canindian_Boy"]

I do and I understand its a processor but I'm not so sure whats so special about it.

fireballonfire

You do know that each core in the xbox processor also is dual threaded, right?

Also on a side note, the seven spes in the cell processor are more like gimped cores. The clocking is the same for both processors.

In theory the cell would give a slight advantage in CPU heavy calculations.

Show me a single game on any other system with the same draw distances and geometry complexity of the footage I just linked you to of Uncharted 2. Oh and stop blowing smoke up my ass.Brownesque

What are you talking about? The attention to detail in Uncharted 2's enviornments are pretty much unsurpassed, but from a technical standpoint Uncharted 2 is not impressive. This should be common knowledge. And for the record, I am sure the cell is capable of great things. But few developers take advantage of it. And, frankly, I don't give a **** about how nice the graphics are and the attention to detail in worlds. How about some believable AI? How about some good physics? Those things should be much more common with a processor like the cell.

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[QUOTE="Brownesque"] It has 7 parallel processors and a controlling unit. They're clocked really high and they're very fast. The Xbox 360 by comparison has 3 general purpose processor cores and the Wii has 1.Frank2368

You do know that each core in the xbox processor also is dual threaded, right?

Also on a side note, the seven spes in the cell processor are more like gimped cores, they are not real cores. The clocking is the same for both processors.

In theory the cell would give a slight advantage in CPU heavy calculations.

Does that mean that Xenon is 19.2GHz while Cell is 22.4GHz?

What exactly is it and whats so special about it? I always hear people talking about it.

Canindian_Boy

using google doesnt hurt.
anyway Cell is:

Cell is the ultimate creation of Doctor Gero. He is an artificial life form created using the cells of several characters from the series, including Goku, Piccolo and Frieza. As a result, Cell is able to perform techniques such as the Kamehameha, a powerful energy blast which he gains from the cells of Goku.[7] In creating the character of Cell, Toriyama tried many different designs before finally settling on the one used in the series. Cell evolves several times throughout his appearances. He originally evolves from a cocoon-like form into his first "Imperfect Form", which is insect-like in appearance. Both his first form and his second "Semi-Perfect Form" have a long tail that ends in a stinger-like appendage and allows it to absorb other organisms.[8] The tail recedes under his wings in his final "Perfect Form", and he can use it to spawn Cell Jr. (セルジュニア Seru Junia?)s, minuscule child-like versions of himself.

What are you talking about? The attention to detail in Uncharted 2's enviornments are pretty much unsurpassed, but from a technical standpoint Uncharted 2 is not impressive.

organic_machine

You forgot to tell me why its not impressive.

This should be common knowledge.

organic_machine

I can tell you why it's not common knowledge, beginning with why you haven't supported a single one of your assertions. I'd like to see a single game with the draw distance and geometry complexity of Uncharted 2 on another platform, if you would be so kind. Also, draw distance and geometry complexity does not refer to detail, it refers to draw distance and geometry complexity. I think you're thinking of textures. Yes, Uncharted 2 has very detailed textures, I'm glad you've admitted that and I'll add it to the list of things Uncharted 2 does very well along with geometry complexity and draw distances.

Do you have a game with the level of detail of Uncharted 2 and the draw distances and geometry complexity? If so, show me. If not, stop blowing smoke up my ass.

And for the record, I am sure the cell is capable of great things. But few developers take advantage of it. And, frankly, I don't give a **** about how nice the graphics are and the attention to detail in worlds. How about some believable AI? How about some good physics? Those things should be much more common with a processor like the cell.

organic_machine

That's an issue with the developers and the things they're seeking to maximize. Why don't you take that up with them? I can't go grab them by the throat and say "organic machine on system wars says you should maximize the processor load allocation with AI and physics in your game engines."

PS3s' 7 core processor running at 3.2GHZ opposed to X360s' less-powerful-but-still-better-than-Wii's-CPU 3 core running at 3.2GHz

X360s' CPU works more easily than PS3s' though

Frank2368

The Cell is a neural net processor aka a learning computer. It was created by Miles Dyson, and the rest of the team at Cyberdyne systems.

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PS3s' 7 core processor running at 3.2GHZ opposed to X360s' less-powerful-but-still-better-than-Wii's-CPU 3 core running at 3.2GHz

X360s' CPU works more easily than PS3s' though

ZackerThe3rd

Um... I thought we only refer to it as TEH cell, and not "the" cell , I think teh emphasizes it's mighty power more than a mere the cell ...okay I was going out of topic...

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Here you go.

Brownesque

Dude that that was cool but it still doesn't explain whats so special about it. I mean if you look at PS3 and 360 in terms of graphics and physics, the ps3 is honestly not much better.. Killzone, MGS4, Uncharted are really the only games I see that have a noticeable difference.

Ohh I see, thanks.

Uncharted 2 ABUSES any other console game in terms of Graphics. But you don't want to take my word for it so play if for yourself and you'll see. Nothing compares except maybe a handfull of PC games.BrutalAdonis

It is the Sony PS3 $ell processor and that is about it.

You know what makes no sense? Why do PC gamers even come here? They know that their system is superior so there's really no point of coming here. I am more of a XBox 360 fan that's why I'm here.

[QUOTE="BrutalAdonis"]Uncharted 2 ABUSES any other console game in terms of Graphics. But you don't want to take my word for it so play if for yourself and you'll see. Nothing compares except maybe a handfull of PC games.Cherokee_Jack

Do you have a game with the level of detail of Uncharted 2 and the draw distances and geometry complexity? If so, show me. If not, stop blowing smoke up my ass.

Brownesque

Well, Uncharted 2 does have great draw distances and complex geometry. No question. But this is not a discussion on Uncharted 2, but the cell. How much of that geometry is physically manipulatable? Is any of it? For that kind of quality, sacrifices need to be made. The PS3 desperately needs more RAM and a better GPU. And no matter how nice the cell is, with more RAM and a better GPU I really think you'd have not only graphically better games, but more interactive enviornments as well. Uncharted 2's enviornemtns aren't very interactive. And you ask for that game, and I give you Crysis. Now before you troll, let me say that it renders hudreds of trees on screen at once, and each tree (minus a few big ones) and all physcial objects can be interacted with, whether up close or from the farthest point on the map. That may be possible to do with the cell, but it most certainly impossible to do with even 516 mb of RAM.

That's an issue with the developers and the things they're seeking to maximize. Why don't you take that up with them? I can't go grab them by the throat and say "organic machine on system wars says you should maximize the processor load allocation with AI and physics in your game engines."

Brownesque

Christ, dude. What's your problem? My whole point is that the cell is a watse of investment because developers usually WON'T take advantage of a good CPU. And guess what? They don't. Sure, we've got the gorgeous, cramped, and static Uncharted 2. Whooptie-****ing-do. That's one game. What about the multiplats? No. A majority of the exclusives? Well, they've got some great looking ones, but again, no huge leap in terms of technical prowess than other games.

It's the thing in the PS3 that makes the PS3's graphics the best. ;)

It's the thing in the PS3 that makes the PS3's graphics the best. ;)

jakehouston88

Ahhhh... You honestly make me want to punch every human being that was named Jake Houston in the face... I'm sorry I had to say this...

[QUOTE="Cherokee_Jack"][QUOTE="BrutalAdonis"]Uncharted 2 ABUSES any other console game in terms of Graphics. But you don't want to take my word for it so play if for yourself and you'll see. Nothing compares except maybe a handfull of PC games.BrutalAdonis

[QUOTE="BrutalAdonis"][QUOTE="Cherokee_Jack"] Or, you know, a LOT of PC games.Cherokee_Jack

Out of those ones only WiC and ETW are better... and maybe CoH because they're RTS