What games were gamers overly critical about, in your opinion?

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#1  Edited By SolidGame_basic
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I’m going to go with Death Stranding. It had a lot of hype for sure, but I feel like people were judging it without giving it a real go. Once you get the main mechanics down, it’s quite addicting! The only disappointment for me was that the story and characters were meh. I think the next one will be much better. How about you, SW? What games were gamers overly critical about, in your opinion?

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#2 SecretPolice
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Xbox Games. ;o

There, that should cover it. lol :P

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I'm generally very critical myself, which makes it hard to think of something. But I feel Doom 3 got shit upon more than it deserved. Might not be the sequel to Doom 2 people wanted, but it's still a great game.

Unreal Tournament 3. Another awesome game that got shit upon.

Also kinda feel like Zelda 2 is better than the general concensus.

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FFXIII

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#5  Edited By Saint-George
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Days gone,i prefered it to TLOU2,HFW,HZD and GOWR

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#6 uninspiredcup
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Castlevania.

Although I think Champs point about "it gives you the tools" is still quite bad. As the pickups are a roulette wheel, alongside levels pushing you through a scroll screen, with a timer, and a shit ton of enemies rushing you on top of the roulette wheel where it devolves into luck of the draw. And certain deliberate placements (like just before Dracula) making the boss fight itself a joke.

But still don't like this game very much. Rather play stuff Rondo of Blood and Bloodlines if go back. More a novelty.

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#7 hardwenzen
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Dark Souls 2. Action rpg wise, that game was still better than 98% of everything on the market (especially with both dlc's included), but nerds were pretending like its the shittiest game on Earth.

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@hardwenzen said:

Dark Souls 2. Action rpg wise, that game was still better than 98% of everything on the market (especially with both dlc's included), but nerds were pretending like its the shittiest game on Earth.

The world design of Dark Souls 2 is easily the worst part of the game. Structured like a spider and each path just lead to a dead-end. The themed transitions from area to area did not make much sense either.

Not sure but From Software was probably drunk while designing this game.

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@jaydan said:
@hardwenzen said:

Dark Souls 2. Action rpg wise, that game was still better than 98% of everything on the market (especially with both dlc's included), but nerds were pretending like its the shittiest game on Earth.

The world design of Dark Souls 2 is easily the worst part of the game. Structured like a spider and each path just lead to a dead-end. The themed transitions from area to area did not make much sense either.

Not sure but From Software was probably drunk while designing this game.

That doesn't make it a bad game, just inferior to what everyone was used to seeing from them.

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@hardwenzen said:
@jaydan said:
@hardwenzen said:

Dark Souls 2. Action rpg wise, that game was still better than 98% of everything on the market (especially with both dlc's included), but nerds were pretending like its the shittiest game on Earth.

The world design of Dark Souls 2 is easily the worst part of the game. Structured like a spider and each path just lead to a dead-end. The themed transitions from area to area did not make much sense either.

Not sure but From Software was probably drunk while designing this game.

That doesn't make it a bad game, just inferior to what everyone was used to seeing from them.

I didn't say it was a bad game, I'm just saying it's the worst one.

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#11 Pedro
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Forum-going and tweeting gamers are overly critical about the wrong things.

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#12  Edited By uninspiredcup
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@hardwenzen said:

Dark Souls 2. Action rpg wise, that game was still better than 98% of everything on the market (especially with both dlc's included), but nerds were pretending like its the shittiest game on Earth.

I liked Darksouls 2 as well.

Not got the tightness of the first game, but not a bad game at all. Expansion packs are good.

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@uninspiredcup said:
@hardwenzen said:

Dark Souls 2. Action rpg wise, that game was still better than 98% of everything on the market (especially with both dlc's included), but nerds were pretending like its the shittiest game on Earth.

I liked Darksouls 2 as well.

Not got the tightness of the first game, but not a bad game at all. Expansion packs are good.

Dark Souls 2 is a good game, but compared to the others Souls games, it's crap. :/

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#14  Edited By uninspiredcup
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@mycatismilk said:
@uninspiredcup said:
@hardwenzen said:

Dark Souls 2. Action rpg wise, that game was still better than 98% of everything on the market (especially with both dlc's included), but nerds were pretending like its the shittiest game on Earth.

I liked Darksouls 2 as well.

Not got the tightness of the first game, but not a bad game at all. Expansion packs are good.

Dark Souls 2 is a good game, but compared to the others Souls games, it's crap. :/

Hyperbole really. Darksouls ain't all that either.

Alot of gamers just fapping to it because of rep. (imo)

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#15  Edited By MyCatIsMilk
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@uninspiredcup:

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#16 uninspiredcup
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@mycatismilk: Sorry that was tear inducing. But it's true.

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#17  Edited By MyCatIsMilk
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@uninspiredcup: Incorrect. Conjecture. Your opinion. I love how people like making blanket statements.

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#18 uninspiredcup
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@mycatismilk: I know it's great. I don't have to justify myself, can just say it.

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#19 MyCatIsMilk
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@uninspiredcup: Absolutely. :)

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#20  Edited By Pedro
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@mycatismilk said:

@uninspiredcup: Incorrect. Conjecture. Your opinion. I love how people like making blanket statements.

But you are sharing an opinion.🤔

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#21  Edited By MyCatIsMilk
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@Pedro: "A lot of gamers fapping to it because of rep." That's making a statement apart from knowable facts.

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#22 Pedro
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@mycatismilk said:

@Pedro: "A lot of gamers fapping to it because of rep." That's making a statement apart from knowable facts.

Just like

@mycatismilk said:

Dark Souls 2 is a good game, but compared to the others Souls games, it's crap. :/

🤷🏽‍♂️

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#23  Edited By MyCatIsMilk
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@Pedro: So me saying that I thought Dark Souls 2 is crap compared to the others Souls games is equivalent to him saying that "a lot of gamers fap to it because of rep" is the same thing? I beg to differ. He's speaking for others, I'm speaking for myself. If I'm wrong, show me. I'm willing to admit when I'm wrong, but it better be a convincing rebuttal.

EDIT: I am in fact incorrect. Apparently the defintion for opinion is:

A belief or conclusion held with confidence but not substantiated by positive knowledge or proof

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#24 uninspiredcup
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Pedro with the most innocuous "who gives a ****" comments

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#25  Edited By Pedro
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@mycatismilk said:

@Pedro: So me saying that I thought Dark Souls 2 is crap compared to the others Souls games is equivalent to him saying that "a lot of gamers fap to it because of rep" is the same thing? I beg to differ. He's speaking for others, I'm speaking for myself. If I'm wrong, show me. I'm willing to admit when I'm wrong, but it better be a convincing rebuttal.

Yes! You are free to have a different opinion on the matter. You responded to someone's opinion with the intention of proving them wrong with no disclaimer but an explicit statement.

There was no "I thought Dark Souls 2 is a good game, but compared to the others Souls games, it's crap. :/" instead you made an explicit statement "Dark Souls 2 is a good game, but compared to the others Souls games, it's crap. :/".

You being convinced is not required.😌

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#26  Edited By MyCatIsMilk
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@Pedro: I don't believe anyone needs to state that something is their opinion to know when something is ones opinion. Granted, I clearly did not live by my own rule by how I reacted to Uninspiredcups comment. :(

What got me was him making a seemingly "fact" statement that I clearly misinterpreted, completely forgetting that the very definition of the word "opinion." If you looked at my post, you would see that I retracted my comment and admittted I was incorrect. As for not needing to convince me, that is sad to read. If you aren't willing to put in the time to show me my error, that's not helping me to be a better person. I respect your comment, and I also ask @uninspiredcup to forgive me for making a mountain out of a mole hill. :)

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@mycatismilk said:

@Pedro: I don't believe anyone needs to state that something is their opinion to know when something is ones opinion. Granted, I clearly did not live by my own rule by how I reacted to Uninspiredcups comment. :(

What got me was him making a seemingly "fact" statement that I clearly misinterpreted, completely forgetting that the very definition of the word "opinion." If you looked at my post, you would see that I retracted my comment and admittted I was incorrect. As for not needing to convince me, that is sad to read. If you aren't willing to put in the time to show me my error, that's not helping me to be a better person. I respect your comment, and I also ask @uninspiredcup to forgive me for making a mountain out of a mole hill. :)

I think you were being a bit overly dramatic. It happens. 😁

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#28 MyCatIsMilk
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@Pedro said:
@mycatismilk said:

@Pedro: I don't believe anyone needs to state that something is their opinion to know when something is ones opinion. Granted, I clearly did not live by my own rule by how I reacted to Uninspiredcups comment. :(

What got me was him making a seemingly "fact" statement that I clearly misinterpreted, completely forgetting that the very definition of the word "opinion." If you looked at my post, you would see that I retracted my comment and admittted I was incorrect. As for not needing to convince me, that is sad to read. If you aren't willing to put in the time to show me my error, that's not helping me to be a better person. I respect your comment, and I also ask @uninspiredcup to forgive me for making a mountain out of a mole hill. :)

I think you were being a bit overly dramatic. It happens. 😁

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GTA5

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#30  Edited By SolidGame_basic
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@Heil68 said:

GTA5

Isn’t it a massive success? Lol

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Split Second Velocity, but not that I think positive reviews would have saved the game, I think 2010 was a clusterfuck for developers stemming from 2008 holiday release season which was stacked with quality releases that all underperformed expectations despite modest sales and decent reviews. It was because of that 2008 holiday season that developers started sweating releasing their titles around Call of Duty's release, so come 2009, developers pushed their late 2009 releases to early 2010... so in order to avoid competing with COD, early 2010 was one of the most packed release windows we'd ever seen, so by avoiding competition they ironically created one of the most competitive release windows. Worth noting this is the same year that once Red Dead Redemption and Super Mario Galaxy 2 released, nothing else mattered after that.

As for Split Second Velocity, nothing could have been enough to outshine the months of releases that came before it, and despite the rest of the year being rather tame, Red Dead Redemption and Mario Galaxy 2 just couldn't leave much room for anything else to be considered after that. Also worth noting, Blur released from Bizarre Creations. These two racers were often mixed up by people really paying neither mind, again, the year was an awful year to get noticed, and both games would lead to the failures of their developers.

That being said, reviews were mixed, but one constant regurgitated complaints was the game's AI rubberbanding. Now as someone who loved the game, I found the AI rubberbanding made it an intense white knuckle racer, and the vehicular combat was better off for it. Seems kind of unfair too because if there's any racing game that deserves to have this mentioned it's about every Mario Kart game ever made, but those are all widely praised, quite a double standard. And I don't want to say this criticism is unfair, whatever, it stunk to me of reviewers being terribly unoriginal, and essentially just copying off each other in a very unprofessional manner. Reviewers don't seem content to give their own opinions, just wait for someone else to set the tone and copy. No surprise issues like review plagiarism have surfaced over years because honestly it's gone unchecked forever. But even beyond that, it was exposed that game reviewers were using some kind of Google community feature to coordinate their review criticisms and scores which I dunno if that was ever addressed or if these asshats in our gaming media just continued such behavior under the radar.

And it really makes me wonder when shit like Ryse reviews came out on the XB1 launch. The game got railed. I understand the XB1 was already fighting a losing battle from their launch priorities with Kinect, a less powerful system, their always online DRM whatever, but the game reviews shouldn't have been a motivating factor to needle a game to death for proxy reasons. Given the reviews were so bad across the board, I was curious how bad it was when I grabbed it cheap just to see how bad it was... to my surprise, it was actually pretty damn awesome. But one thing I remember from the plethora of condemnation the game received in its time was nonstop criticisms of players being inundated with invisible walls, like oh they are all running into them by accident. I never once encountered such an issue my whole time playing. But, it's more of a problem with game reviewers and it got brought up over and over again.

I fully expect the millions of man-children who make up the gaming community to believe things about games they've never played and to regurgitate those feelings as if it's the truth... well, that's just an inherent feature of the gaming community we'll never get away from. Professional game reviewers on the other hand, it's their job to make independent reviews, and they've been increasing less capable of doing such as years gone by.

If people remember the fallout of the Kane and Lynch GameSpot review debacle, where the GameSpot reviewer was fired after giving the game a less favorable review, and worth noting the site had taken a large sum of ad revenue to promote the game, there was a major upheaval among gamers about the ethics of game reviews and influence of ad revenues. Funny enough, I felt prior to this game reviews were at their best. Lots of great games are not universally loved by everyone, reading the variances was a positive things, if someone liked a game for whatever reason, or didn't like it, you could read reviews and make a determination by what people liked or didn't whether it still suits their needs and make better informed purchasing decisions.

These days I feel game reviewers have less creative independence or capability to give their own take before it just becomes everyone saying what everyone else says because their too afraid to exercise any editorial independence. Then there's the issue of readers of gaming sites who flip out if a game got a 8/10 and saying they'll never come back again because of how offended they are the good score a game got wasn't better. Now, content creation panders too much to viewers bias confirmation that reviewers are essentially left to tell people what they want to hear. Ironically, while everyone else was praising the shit state of Cyberpunk 2077 launched in, GameSpot gave it a 7/10 and people went apeshit, and even then that game got a GS score that was very generous to what everyone soon discovered was a fucking mess of issues but at least that reviewer was more honest about the game than all the others. And everyone else that gave the game a great review should have taken heat but I'm sure they were thankful CDPR took most the ire after launch, there was no accounting for all the reviewers showing no backbone about the game's shit state. Instead this stupid narrative like it was only bad one consoles, PC was fine... no, fucking no no no, dumbest fucking line ever uttered and it's been uttered a lot.

I don't even know if I can ever trust game reviews anymore because the social dynamics of reviews are complex, but safe to say reviewers at large are incapable of giving independent reviews not influenced by either the other reviews of other professional game reviewers who get their reviews out first, and trying to balance that with pandering to the bias confirmation of their audience that expect a game to do well based on its hype.

All reviews now are bullshit. It might be superficial but mostly if a game catches my eye, I'll mostly just watch gameplay videos, just long unedited gameplay videos to see if it looks like something I'd like. I mostly skim game reviews just for red flags of anything problematic in performance and functionality, then after that I drown the rest out, jump in to see for myself.

What I miss most about older gaming media is there were so many games and not all had the big budgets behind them, finding something enjoyable was a bit of a hunt. And in early days of YouTube my favorite content creators were people who'd be like - oh, here's a game you probably never heard of but I'm going to tell you why you might like it. It was people sharing the things they enjoyed with others. Now everyone is a goddamn killjoy Nazi telling others why they shouldn't enjoy the stuff they'd might enjoy without being lobbied to death to feel otherwise, everyone has to have an opinion on everything gaming related and that opinion can't be anything between high praise or utter condemnation cranked to 11.

Lastly, I want to blame system warring gaming fanboys. Not at large, they'd pretty much always existed for years, but since 8th gen onward, I feel more and more of these people have have infested the ranks of professional game review sites largely due to the influences of NeoGAF acting as a Sony fanboy safe-space circle-jerk while also acting as the water cooler for industry insiders. Back when professional gaming sites and YouTube personalities shamelessly regurgitated the carefully curated talking points on NeoGAF into their content and this is certainly the point where independent thinking in the gaming community died for good, without a doubt.

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Days Gone and Starfield. Both games have in common that they are not perfect, but they deliver an immersive experience and have a lot of content.

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The New Super Mario Bros games. At least, the console centric ones (Wii, U). They were still fine platformers, I thought.

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Sonic games. They're fun games, but always get critics attacking them over any minor flaw they can find.

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Ace Combat: Assault Horizon. Yes, it was a flight combat game trying to chase the Modern Warfare audience, but why do you all say that like it's a bad thing? Might have been better off sold as a new franchise so people could enjoy it for what it was, instead of what they thought it should have been.

Dirt Showdown was also pretty good, but hated on for the same reasons as above.

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#38 nintendoboy16
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@Jag85 said:

Sonic games. They're fun games, but always get critics attacking them over any minor flaw they can find.

Also these. Hell, looking back at my naive positive views on Shadow the Hedgehog when THAT came out, I still find enjoyment out of that game. Because as much the "darker and edgier" trend of that era was cringe (looking at you Jak & Daxter and Prince of Persia), I at least get a laugh out of Shadow.

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Pokémon. It's irrational but I hate everything about it. The colors, the cutesy art style, they way they annoyingly chirp their names over and over, I can't stand it. If they made a game like monster hunter for Pokémon, I'd buy it no matter the price just so I could headshot a Pikachu in the head and skin it to make a hat.

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@lamprey263 said:

Lastly, I want to blame system warring gaming fanboys. Not at large, they'd pretty much always existed for years, but since 8th gen onward, I feel more and more of these people have have infested the ranks of professional game review sites largely due to the influences of NeoGAF acting as a Sony fanboy safe-space circle-jerk while also acting as the water cooler for industry insiders. Back when professional gaming sites and YouTube personalities shamelessly regurgitated the carefully curated talking points on NeoGAF into their content and this is certainly the point where independent thinking in the gaming community died for good, without a doubt.

This part is what irks me the most. It is simply embarrassing. I was on a call with professionals discussing the industry on various topics and we had fucking fanboy inserting online fanboy tripe. 😑

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The New Super Mario Bros. games. They’re criticized for being “bland,” but the gameplay is still awesome. It brought back 2D Mario, and it revitalized 2D platforming. It all topped off with New Super Mario Bros. U., which is a modern masterpiece in my mind.

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#43 Mozelleple112
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pea-brained gamers were overly critical towards:

  • The Last of Us 2 - obviously as it has a 95 on metacritic and is the most awarded game in history TLOU2 is and will go down as one of the greatest games of all time, howeverpolitical/Alphabet soup/agenda stuff is the only reason it wasn't universally loved among all gamers.
  • Dark Souls 2 - similar to TLOU2 in that the critics loved it (I believe DS2 is the highest rated Souls game) DS2 sometimes gets called trash and is always considered the worst From Software game. I don't really disagree that its the worst FromSoftware game but I certainly think it is on par with DS1 and Demon's Souls.
  • Days Gone - I avoided this like the plague and launch, but playing it on PS5 nearly 2 years later and it was a bug-free flawless experience and actually a very good game. Not a masterpiece but an 8-8.5/10 in my book.

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#44  Edited By Mozelleple112
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@SolidGame_basic: My answer is of similar nature to Heil68's.

I listed TLOU2 as overly criticised even though its the most awarded game ever

Heil68 listed GTA 5 as overly criticised even though GTA 5 one of the top 5 highest rated games in history according to metacritic.

Your question was by "gamers" and not "critics", "journalists" or "developers".

And tbh I agree with @Heil68. GTA 5 is definitely one of the most harshly rated games among gamers of System Wars.

Just make a poll here. I'm telling you half this forum would say GTA 5 is crap, when the reality is that it is one of the best games ever made. Thus, gamers are overly critical about GTA 5. Great answer to the thread.

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@Mozelleple112 said:

@SolidGame_basic: My answer is of similar nature to Heil68's.

I listed TLOU2 as overly criticised even though its the most awarded game ever

Heil68 listed GTA 5 as overly criticised even though GTA 5 one of the top 5 highest rated games in history according to metacritic.

Your question was by "gamers" and not "critics", "journalists" or "developers".

And tbh I agree with @Heil68. GTA 5 is definitely one of the most harshly rated games among gamers of System Wars.

Just make a poll here. I'm telling you half this forum would say GTA 5 is crap, when the reality is that it is one of the best games ever made. Thus, gamers are overly critical about GTA 5. Great answer to the thread.

Maybe it’s my memory, after all the game came out 2013 lol. The GTA series got stale for me. I was lucky to have played GTA 3 and Vice City back in the day and those games were brilliant. I feel like since then we’ve gotten a tired formula.