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#1 normal_gamer
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I'm not trying to bash Blu-ray here,but what good did it actually do to the gaming industry? I mean it's not like games are of a much larger scale or longer on Blu-Ray,so what exactly are the benefits of Blu-Ray to gaming?

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Uncompressed audio for audiophiles.

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I'm not trying to bash Blu-ray here,but what good did it actually do to the gaming industry? I mean it's not like games are of a much larger scale or longer on Blu-Ray,so what exactly are the benefits of Blu-Ray to gaming?

Thanks.

normal_gamer

If you have a 7.1 Surround Sound System, and a decent AV setup, the Uncompressed sound and CGI look good on PS3 games. For the rest of us, not much really.

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#4 RAGINGxPONY
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Games fit on one disc.

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#6 brennan7777
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I dont have to stand up to swap discs when i play FF13. Not to mention i saved money getting 2 in 1. Those two reasons are enough for me.

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Everything in a game takes disc space, so it could mean: better models, higher-res textures, better CGI, better audio, more complex programming, more objects on screen, more length, larger scale...rather or not any of those things are being utilized or not at this point in time is moot; those are the things that can be done with the extra disc space.
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Uncharted 2.
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#9 MetalGearSolidZ
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I'm not trying to bash Blu-ray here,but what good did it actually do to the gaming industry? I mean it's not like games are of a much larger scale or longer on Blu-Ray,so what exactly are the benefits of Blu-Ray to gaming?

Thanks.

normal_gamer
made it so FF13 wasn't on 3 disks :lol:
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[QUOTE="MetalGearSolidZ"][QUOTE="normal_gamer"]

I'm not trying to bash Blu-ray here,but what good did it actually do to the gaming industry? I mean it's not like games are of a much larger scale or longer on Blu-Ray,so what exactly are the benefits of Blu-Ray to gaming?

Thanks.

made it so FF13 wasn't on 3 disks :lol:

Yeah, Now 360 owners don't get the play 13....Oh, wait...I mean the extra content....er I mean I don't have to get up to change a disc ever 8-10 hours! I do when I need to charge my controller though becuase the USB cable that comes with the PS3 is only 3 feet long.
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#11 MetalGearSolidZ
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[QUOTE="Shattered007"][QUOTE="MetalGearSolidZ"][QUOTE="normal_gamer"]

I'm not trying to bash Blu-ray here,but what good did it actually do to the gaming industry? I mean it's not like games are of a much larger scale or longer on Blu-Ray,so what exactly are the benefits of Blu-Ray to gaming?

Thanks.

made it so FF13 wasn't on 3 disks :lol:

Yeah, Now 360 owners don't get the play 13....Oh, wait...I mean the extra content....er I mean I don't have to get up to change a disc ever 8-10 hours! I do when I need to charge my controller though becuase the USB cable that comes with the PS3 is only 3 feet long.

I leave my controller on all night and it doesn't run out of battery if that's what your getting at, but they had to cut content overall because of disk space shortage. Even Lost Planet 2 devs were finding it hard to cope with the inferior DVD9.
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I'm not trying to bash Blu-ray here,but what good did it actually do to the gaming industry? I mean it's not like games are of a much larger scale or longer on Blu-Ray,so what exactly are the benefits of Blu-Ray to gaming?

Thanks.

normal_gamer

Blu-Ray Allows Developers, if they want, to make the game as large as they want (well, much, much larger than DVD allows). Not all need to do this, and some just won't due to making sure they have a multiplat ready to go. It's also fantastic for high end CGI and for fantastic Audio. For instance, Final Fantasy XIII on PS3 will have 1080p CGI, where as the Xbox 360 will have 720p...that's good right? Sure, we all know now that FFXIII runs at a higher Resolution and looks better on PS3 in gameplay, but I'm talking about the Famous FF CGI we all expect, and how Blu impacted that.

However, when I play a game like Uncharted 2 or MGS4, I'm thankful for Blu-Ray.:P

You have to look back at DVD, and ask if that was needed? Honestly, it could have been CD's...the difference was DVD was adopted and pushed by PS2. Soon after, Xbox used the same format. That was 2/3 consoles, so devs jumped on board a bit quicker. Not to mention the PS2 was first out of the gate.

The PS3 wasn't first out of the gate, and it's only 1/3 consoles to have the format, so devs would rather design a 4-6.8gig game and make that for both consoles. That doesn't mean Blu isn't a benefit, it just means publishers aren't going to make PS3 exclusives rather than a multiplat.

So, while Blu is useful, we can't expect multiplatform devs to take advantage of it....however, there have been complaints of DVD's limitations for a few years now. From Carmack's RAGE to even recently Capcom Lost Planet 2. However, they may complain, but they still design the game around DVD, instead of Blu for $$$. It makes fiscal sense, but don't mistake that for Blu-Ray not helping game developers.

I mentioned audio, but 7.1 surround is nice, and less compressed audio, lossless, etc.

Then there is the anti-piracy benefits of Blu-Ray, which is good for developers. Blu-Ray is not piracy friendly, which in turn is nice to know for a developer making a game on Blu.

Blu-Ray is scratch resistant, which is good for longterm ownership.

Blu-Ray offers one disc gaming, not a huge benefit, but nice for gamers.

There is also extra game content which Blu-Ray allows. Games like Command and Conquer Red Alert 3, Ghostbusters, Dead Space, and Dante's Inferno on PS3 have extra content due to the Blu-Ray disc. That's a bonus, if developers want to use it.

Remember too, not all games are good for Multidisc gameplay. Imagine playing a sandbox game, let's say GTA5, and if you drove out too far, you needed to insert disc 2. That wouldn't be any good. This hasn't happened, again, because devs want to make a game for both machines, but that would be an example of Blu-Ray being supportive for gaming developers.

Did DVD help Game Developers, TC?

Did CD help Game Developers, TC?

In the end, more space is good right? It may not be NEEDED, but it's handy for developers for sure.

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The more space a disc has, the less compression is needed to make everything fit. Blu-Ray is the way to go for audiophiles and gaming since it means less compressed audio and visuals.

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The more space a disc has, the less compression is needed to make everything fit. Blu-Ray is the way to go for audiophiles and gaming since it means less compressed audio and visuals.

Phoenix534

Less compressed visuals? You have no clue what you're talking about do you? If by movies, ok. Gameplay visuals remain the same regardless of medium.

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I like the idea of extra space, lossless audio and video that can be contained within it. But it probably wasnt worth losing billions and ending up last for audio enthusiasts.

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More freedom for the developers who know how to develop with Blu-Ray technology.
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More freedom for the developers who know how to develop with Blu-Ray technology. Nerd_Man
Man we are in short supply of those Dev's.

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#18 Snugenz
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I leave my controller on all night and it doesn't run out of battery if that's what your getting at, but they had to cut content overall because of disk space shortage. Even Lost Planet 2 devs were finding it hard to cope with the inferior DVD9.MetalGearSolidZ

Baaaaad idea, you never want to overcharge a battery as it will reduce its lifetime.

And what content was cut?

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[QUOTE="MetalGearSolidZ"] I leave my controller on all night and it doesn't run out of battery if that's what your getting at, but they had to cut content overall because of disk space shortage. Even Lost Planet 2 devs were finding it hard to cope with the inferior DVD9.Snugenz

Baaaaad idea, you never want to overcharge a battery as it will reduce its lifetime.

And what content was cut?

lol leave it on all night NOT charging, just by itself and all I can tell you is what Lost Planet 2 devs said which was they had to cut lots of content out of it
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#20 Snugenz
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[QUOTE="Snugenz"]

[QUOTE="MetalGearSolidZ"] I leave my controller on all night and it doesn't run out of battery if that's what your getting at, but they had to cut content overall because of disk space shortage. Even Lost Planet 2 devs were finding it hard to cope with the inferior DVD9.MetalGearSolidZ

Baaaaad idea, you never want to overcharge a battery as it will reduce its lifetime.

And what content was cut?

lol leave it on all night NOT charging, just by itself and all I can tell you is what Lost Planet 2 devs said which was they had to cut lots of content out of it

Oh thought you meant FFXIII for some reason ...

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It could become the best antipiracy method with the 1000gb bluray disks.
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#22 Kan0nF0dder
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Three benefits

1) No disc swapping for the larger games.

2) Uncompressed audio. Pretty awesome if you have a nice surround-sound setup.

3) More freedom to devs as they have more space to play with. This can only be a good thing.

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More disk space basically.

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More space.
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Installs apparently.

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Everything in a game takes disc space, so it could mean: better models, higher-res textures, better CGI, better audio, more complex programming, more objects on screen, more length, larger scale...rather or not any of those things are being utilized or not at this point in time is moot; those are the things that can be done with the extra disc space.jalexbrown
But with only 512MB of total RAM to work with (and the limitation that anything playable must be in RAM to be played), that imposes a stricter limit on the quality of your work than anything the disc can do at this point.
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#27 HuusAsking
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The more space a disc has, the less compression is needed to make everything fit. Blu-Ray is the way to go for audiophiles and gaming since it means less compressed audio and visuals.

Phoenix534
But compression helps the one big problem of optical discs--transfer rate.
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[QUOTE="Shattered007"][QUOTE="MetalGearSolidZ"] made it so FF13 wasn't on 3 disks :lol:MetalGearSolidZ
Yeah, Now 360 owners don't get the play 13....Oh, wait...I mean the extra content....er I mean I don't have to get up to change a disc ever 8-10 hours! I do when I need to charge my controller though becuase the USB cable that comes with the PS3 is only 3 feet long.

I leave my controller on all night and it doesn't run out of battery if that's what your getting at, but they had to cut content overall because of disk space shortage. Even Lost Planet 2 devs were finding it hard to cope with the inferior DVD9.

That proves it...the 360 is done for! Cows! Laugh with me!!!
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on the plus side: its quieter it has loads of space uncompressed audio (for all 5 people on the planet who can put it to use) FMVs look a bit nicer. all games fit on one disc on the minus side brings mandetory installs to consoles in many PS3 games (though it seems to be getting less frequent now) added a big expense at the PS3s launch its slow and so alot fo the extra space is filled in with dummy data and dublicate data to try and keep loading times sensible. so has it done anything for gaming? no...not really.
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360 devs are struggling for space as the gen went on, while PS3 devs can take advantage of the space for more content, higher quality videos, higher quality sound, multiple language support, and the like. Games like Lost Odyssey, Final Fantasy XIII and Mass Effect 2 show how DVD storage is becoming a limitation for the 360 platform.
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#31 T-Aldous
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Blu-ray gives us more room so games can be on just 1 disc. Blu-ray also gave us mandatory installs. Blu-ray also gave us a $599 console assuring Sony's loss of market share. Take from that info what you will.

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[QUOTE="Brainhunter"]360 devs are struggling for space as the gen went on, while PS3 devs can take advantage of the space for more content, higher quality videos, higher quality sound, multiple language support, and the like. Games like Lost Odyssey, Final Fantasy XIII and Mass Effect 2 show how DVD storage is becoming a limitation for the 360 platform.

Funny how people complain about multiple discs when they were common in the 5th generation, and some of the best games of the disc era were multi-disc.
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god of war uncharted heavy rain ff 13 mgs4 say hello

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#34 jalexbrown
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[QUOTE="Phoenix534"]

The more space a disc has, the less compression is needed to make everything fit. Blu-Ray is the way to go for audiophiles and gaming since it means less compressed audio and visuals.

Dynafrom

Less compressed visuals? You have no clue what you're talking about do you? If by movies, ok. Gameplay visuals remain the same regardless of medium.

Textures can be less compressed and higher-res with Blu-Ray than on DVD.
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[QUOTE="Nerd_Man"]More freedom for the developers who know how to develop with Blu-Ray technology. CoreoVII

Man we are in short supply of those Dev's.

Well, besides 1st and 2nd-party developers, and a handful of 3rd-party developers, that's pretty true. But it seems like more developers have been starting to open up to Blu-Ray lately. Hopefully in time every developer can wrap their hands around such technology and we'll stop seeing multiplats that are not on par with 360 counterparts.
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I'm not trying to bash Blu-ray here,but what good did it actually do to the gaming industry? I mean it's not like games are of a much larger scale or longer on Blu-Ray,so what exactly are the benefits of Blu-Ray to gaming?

Thanks.

normal_gamer
think of ff13 on 360 and ps3...and then u will see what advantages there are..
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360 devs are struggling for space as the gen went on, while PS3 devs can take advantage of the space for more content, higher quality videos, higher quality sound, multiple language support, and the like. Games like Lost Odyssey, Final Fantasy XIII and Mass Effect 2 show how DVD storage is becoming a limitation for the 360 platform.Brainhunter
Man, that's like half the 360 library right there.
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i read somewhere that sony can get up to 60 or so GB on a blu ray disc. a normal disk does around 10 GB. but dont quote me. the difference is massive but its not exactly that, i just cant remmember it and too tired to check.
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heres what it did lol: xbox 360 uses standard disks and requires 3 of em for final fantasy 13. Guess how many the ps3 needed? 1......

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#40 anotherone10
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Blu-Ray gives the opportunity for uncompressed everything. But i think Blu-Ray will be more needed for next-gen, well for consoles atleast.

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it means i have one less reason to get out of my chair. so i can spend longer sitting here eating cheesey wotsits growing another chin

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Its done alot of good for PS3 exclusives, actually.
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To everyone saying uncompressed and higher resolution textures, look at Crysis. Only 7gb but the best looking game currently.

Only real advantage is higher quality FMV's, as good compressed audio is one tenth of the size and the difference can only be heard by audiphiles with a $10,000 speaker system with gold plated silver cables cooled to 100 degrees kelvin for superconducting for ultimate sound quality.

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[QUOTE="Dynafrom"]

[QUOTE="Phoenix534"]

The more space a disc has, the less compression is needed to make everything fit. Blu-Ray is the way to go for audiophiles and gaming since it means less compressed audio and visuals.

jalexbrown

Less compressed visuals? You have no clue what you're talking about do you? If by movies, ok. Gameplay visuals remain the same regardless of medium.

Textures can be less compressed and higher-res with Blu-Ray than on DVD.

Texture are more commonly limited by RAM than by disc space since a texure is useless unless it can be put to use in the RAM.
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#45 HuusAsking
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[QUOTE="Brainhunter"]360 devs are struggling for space as the gen went on, while PS3 devs can take advantage of the space for more content, higher quality videos, higher quality sound, multiple language support, and the like. Games like Lost Odyssey, Final Fantasy XIII and Mass Effect 2 show how DVD storage is becoming a limitation for the 360 platform.Shattered007
Man, that's like half the 360 library right there.

I hope that's a joke because the 360 library is considerable (several hundred games) and, TTBOMK, is noticeably larger than the PS3's library.

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#46 RedruM_I
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You can deliver up to 50 gb of data for a game. That alone is an advantage for very big games.
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#47 majestix1988
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Three benefits

1) No disc swapping for the larger games.

2) Uncompressed audio. Pretty awesome if you have a nice surround-sound setup.

3) More freedom to devs as they have more space to play with. This can only be a good thing.

Kan0nF0dder

4. no installation just Saving games only

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#48 RedruM_I
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To everyone saying uncompressed and higher resolution textures, look at Crysis. Only 7gb but the best looking game currently.

Only real advantage is higher quality FMV's, as good compressed audio is one tenth of the size and the difference can only be heard by audiphiles with a $10,000 speaker system with gold plated silver cables cooled to 100 degrees kelvin for superconducting for ultimate sound quality.

qazadex
Crysis can be installed on a hard drive that's why compressing it to 7 gb work. You can't do that on consoles for many games unless you want to buy a huge hard drive (and huge proprietary hard drives for the 360 are very expenssive).
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Nothing but it's a step forward we would need bigger disc eventually.

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Why dont you ask Otacon?