What is the big deal about a FF7 remake?

I'm guessing you never played it when it was first released?Rhaxdric

No, if you read my post I said I did and I loved it, it was the best game on the PS1 IMO. But a remake kinda seems a bit lame. I can see FF13 or whatever (a new IP) being important but remakes kinda seem like milkage.

Well, IMO, it was FFVII who put Sony's Playstationon its tracks to gaming world domination. It had very good games, but not one like FFVII, a legend on its own. To this day its considered the best FF by many, and still has a large fanbase under its wings. and, of course, IT STILL MAKES SE MONEY!

A re-make would certainly cement PS3 user base into a few millions, Japan alone. FF brand will make PS3 at least another 3 million users Japan alone (IMO, no fact, just my opinion). A FFVII remake would double that easily.

Observing that MS has no (not really, even NG2 doenst matter that much to Japan gamming market, because it is on X360) presence in the japanese market, PS3 selling better there may help to ofset the X360 one year long leadership faster.

Fanboys may cry an ocean if they want, FF is a system seller all around the world, and if a re-make of one of the most beloved games in the franchise arises yet again on Sony's main machine....

[QUOTE="Rhaxdric"]I'm guessing you never played it when it was first released?jbeen

No, if you read my post I said I did and I loved it, it was the best game on the PS1 IMO. But a remake kinda seems a bit lame. I can see FF13 or whatever (a new IP) being important but remakes kinda seem like milkage.

Call it milkage if you want, but the company sees at it this way the majority of FF fans want that remake, which for square is excellent since they can remake the game with only graphical update no need for a new original story characters and so on perfect for them they will get quick money from the "milkage" but the fans that wanted this game won't see it as milkage, more like a service to the fans.

i dunno, personally i think it's beyond milking - and beyond pathetic. if this is what it takes to sell PS3s then cows need some serious psychotherapy :D3picuri3

So I guess you don't like Mario or Zelda either.

[QUOTE="3picuri3"]i dunno, personally i think it's beyond milking - and beyond pathetic. if this is what it takes to sell PS3s then cows need some serious psychotherapy :DRagnarok1051

So I guess you don't like Mario or Zelda either.

i'm not asking for a remake of Super Mario World, or Zelda II if that's what you're saying. I'm just fine playing them how they are now - it's teh cows that are graphic ****** wanting all of their best games to look better for no logical reason whatsoever.

[QUOTE="jbeen"]

[QUOTE="Rhaxdric"]I'm guessing you never played it when it was first released?haris12121212

No, if you read my post I said I did and I loved it, it was the best game on the PS1 IMO. But a remake kinda seems a bit lame. I can see FF13 or whatever (a new IP) being important but remakes kinda seem like milkage.

Call it milkage if you want, but the company sees at it this way the majority of FF fans want that remake, which for square is excellent since they can remake the game with only graphical update no need for a new original story characters and so on perfect for them they will get quick money from the "milkage" but the fans that wanted this game won't see it as milkage, more like a service to the fans.

Yeah, perfectly said, service to the fans, thats what I'd feel like it is.

Well, IMO, it was FFVII who put Sony's Playstationon its tracks to gaming world domination. It had very good games, but not one like FFVII, a legend on its own. To this day its considered the best FF by many, and still has a large fanbase under its wings. and, of course, IT STILL MAKES SE MONEY!

A re-make would certainly cement PS3 user base into a few millions, Japan alone. FF brand will make PS3 at least another 3 million users Japan alone (IMO, no fact, just my opinion). A FFVII remake would double that easily.

Observing that MS has no (not really, even NG2 doenst matter that much to Japan gamming market, because it is on X360) presence in the japanese market, PS3 selling better there may help to ofset the X360 one year long leadership faster.

Fanboys may cry an ocean if they want, FF is a system seller all around the world, and if a re-make of one of the most beloved games in the franchise arises yet again on Sony's main machine....

Ryusuken

why would it do all that when you can play it now on the PS3. oram i wrong

plus how much will it be?

[QUOTE="3picuri3"]i dunno, personally i think it's beyond milking - and beyond pathetic. if this is what it takes to sell PS3s then cows need some serious psychotherapy :DRagnarok1051

So I guess you don't like Mario or Zelda either.

Yes but Mario and Zelda areeachdiffrent games. I see it like when a movie studio releases a remake of a old movie, It is never as good and the original and is just a way to make money on a name. Now if they want to make a FF7 with the same characters but a new story line but the same game with better graphics is milkage.

[QUOTE="Ragnarok1051"]

[QUOTE="3picuri3"]i dunno, personally i think it's beyond milking - and beyond pathetic. if this is what it takes to sell PS3s then cows need some serious psychotherapy :D3picuri3

So I guess you don't like Mario or Zelda either.

i'm not asking for a remake of Super Mario World, or Zelda II if that's what you're saying. I'm just fine playing them how they are now - it's teh cows that are graphic ****** wanting all of their best games to look better for no logical reason whatsoever.

If you don't want a remake of 7 thats fine, but there are some like me whowould love to see 7 get a major graphic improvement.

[QUOTE="Ryusuken"]

Well, IMO, it was FFVII who put Sony's Playstationon its tracks to gaming world domination. It had very good games, but not one like FFVII, a legend on its own. To this day its considered the best FF by many, and still has a large fanbase under its wings. and, of course, IT STILL MAKES SE MONEY!

A re-make would certainly cement PS3 user base into a few millions, Japan alone. FF brand will make PS3 at least another 3 million users Japan alone (IMO, no fact, just my opinion). A FFVII remake would double that easily.

Observing that MS has no (not really, even NG2 doenst matter that much to Japan gamming market, because it is on X360) presence in the japanese market, PS3 selling better there may help to ofset the X360 one year long leadership faster.

Fanboys may cry an ocean if they want, FF is a system seller all around the world, and if a re-make of one of the most beloved games in the franchise arises yet again on Sony's main machine....

thenorminator

why would it do all that when you can play it now on the PS3. or i'm i wrong

No you can, and you can buy it for like $5. to make people spend full price for a remake is the deffinition of milkage.

[QUOTE="3picuri3"][QUOTE="Ragnarok1051"]

[QUOTE="3picuri3"]i dunno, personally i think it's beyond milking - and beyond pathetic. if this is what it takes to sell PS3s then cows need some serious psychotherapy :DRagnarok1051

So I guess you don't like Mario or Zelda either.

i'm not asking for a remake of Super Mario World, or Zelda II if that's what you're saying. I'm just fine playing them how they are now - it's teh cows that are graphic ****** wanting all of their best games to look better for no logical reason whatsoever.

If you don't want a remake of 7 thats fine, but there are some like me whowould love to see 7 get a major graphic improvement.

and i find that very amusing and pathetic. that was my original point. i find it so weird that cows would get all pumped up about a facelift for a game that doesn't need to be remade. i think they just care a little too much about something that's in the past - but i guess cows have always been like that with their games sadly.

[QUOTE="Ragnarok1051"]

[QUOTE="3picuri3"]i dunno, personally i think it's beyond milking - and beyond pathetic. if this is what it takes to sell PS3s then cows need some serious psychotherapy :Djbeen

So I guess you don't like Mario or Zelda either.

Yes but Mario and Zelda areeachdiffrent games. I see it like when a movie studio releases a remake of a old movie, It is never as good and the original and is just a way to make money on a name. Now if they want to make a FF7 with the same characters but a new story line but the same game with better graphics is milkage.

When Mario appears in over 100 games then that is milkage. Every numbered FF game is a different game, new characters, new story, new world, new everything. SE just recently started pumping out with the remakes, they haven't always been like this.

[QUOTE="Ragnarok1051"]

[QUOTE="3picuri3"]i dunno, personally i think it's beyond milking - and beyond pathetic. if this is what it takes to sell PS3s then cows need some serious psychotherapy :D3picuri3

So I guess you don't like Mario or Zelda either.

i'm not asking for a remake of Super Mario World, or Zelda II if that's what you're saying. I'm just fine playing them how they are now - it's teh cows that are graphic ****** wanting all of their best games to look better for no logical reason whatsoever.

[QUOTE="thenorminator"][QUOTE="Ryusuken"]

Well, IMO, it was FFVII who put Sony's Playstationon its tracks to gaming world domination. It had very good games, but not one like FFVII, a legend on its own. To this day its considered the best FF by many, and still has a large fanbase under its wings. and, of course, IT STILL MAKES SE MONEY!

A re-make would certainly cement PS3 user base into a few millions, Japan alone. FF brand will make PS3 at least another 3 million users Japan alone (IMO, no fact, just my opinion). A FFVII remake would double that easily.

Observing that MS has no (not really, even NG2 doenst matter that much to Japan gamming market, because it is on X360) presence in the japanese market, PS3 selling better there may help to ofset the X360 one year long leadership faster.

Fanboys may cry an ocean if they want, FF is a system seller all around the world, and if a re-make of one of the most beloved games in the franchise arises yet again on Sony's main machine....

jbeen

why would it do all that when you can play it now on the PS3. or i'm i wrong

No you can, and you can buy it for like $5. to make people spend full price for a remake is the deffinition of milkage.

i agree with you. i was asking the guy i was quoting a question

IMO it is Squares way of saying "Gee, we are out of newideas right nowbut need to make a quick buck of the FF name". I guess I am in the minority but I would rather them release FF7 onSony online for like $20 with HD graphics.

IMO it is Squares way of saying "Gee, we are out of newideas right nowbut need to make a quick buck of the FF name". I guess I am in the minority but I would rather them release FF7 onSony online for like $20 with HD graphics.

jbeen

Square doesn't say "Gee, we are out of newideas right nowbut need to make a quick buck of the FF name" it's says more like

"Gee, fans want that remake so bad, let's make it and get some quick easy money from them" Now from your point of view you consider this as milkage. But for the fans like I said before its a fan service.

[QUOTE="Ragnarok1051"][QUOTE="3picuri3"][QUOTE="Ragnarok1051"]

[QUOTE="3picuri3"]i dunno, personally i think it's beyond milking - and beyond pathetic. if this is what it takes to sell PS3s then cows need some serious psychotherapy :D3picuri3

So I guess you don't like Mario or Zelda either.

i'm not asking for a remake of Super Mario World, or Zelda II if that's what you're saying. I'm just fine playing them how they are now - it's teh cows that are graphic ****** wanting all of their best games to look better for no logical reason whatsoever.

If you don't want a remake of 7 thats fine, but there are some like me whowould love to see 7 get a major graphic improvement.

and i find that very amusing and pathetic. that was my original point. i find it so weird that cows would get all pumped up about a facelift for a game that doesn't need to be remade. i think they just care a little too much about something that's in the past - but i guess cows have always been like that with their games sadly.

What's wrong with the past?

Wouldn't like to go back and play Super Mario 3, or A Link to the Past again? I know I would if I had the opportunity.

Granted, I'd like to replay both of those on their original consoles. But, both have already been remade for other consoles, and if not already, will probably be released for the Wii's downloadable content. Neither game may have had a major graphical facelift, or any change at all, but both were re-released. So people are getting the games again with nothing new. (if there was something new which I didn't know about, that's good for those games)

But a remake of FFVII is nothing new to the gaming world. And getting a facelift would be an improvement over the other re-releases. I just hope that isn't the only change made to the game. Personally, it isn't enough to buy a Ps3, but if I had one I'd get it.

Whats the big deal with Halo3?xBALOx

Halo 3 is a new Halo game. If they had released Halo 1 with better graphics on the 360 cows would be squirting milk they would be laughing so loud at lemmings.

I'd rather have the remake on the DS or the 360...even the Wii so I can play it. I missed out on the game way back when it came out and people are always saying it was so great.Sig12047

I agree. I mean.. I've already played FF7. Remake some games that are good that not a lot of people played. Or make a new game.

You know it wont be a perfect remake, theyle have all this artsy fart they added to all the FF spin offs, Cloud and Septhiroth magically growing wings and flying around, the balanced will be different, some thigns added and removed ... hell I wouldnt be suprised if they cut out Chocobo breeding/Racing .... or couldnt be arsed to re-imagine Knights of the Round ... the most ridiculous spell ever concieved.

It will kill FF7's charm ... the blocklike characters and 2D backrounds made the "walking mode" what it was, the fightings graphics were good, now they will slow it down "coz teh realism" so on so forth...

Butchering a classic purely for graphics and audio is pointless like every freaking Comic Hero film.

What's wrong with the past?

Wouldn't like to go back and play Super Mario 3, or A Link to the Past again? I know I would if I had the opportunity.

Granted, I'd like to replay both of those on their original consoles. But, both have already been remade for other consoles, and if not already, will probably be released for the Wii's downloadable content. Neither game may have had a major graphical facelift, or any change at all, but both were re-released. So people are getting the games again with nothing new. (if there was something new which I didn't know about, that's good for those games)

But a remake of FFVII is nothing new to the gaming world. And getting a facelift would be an improvement over the other re-releases. I just hope that isn't the only change made to the game. Personally, it isn't enough to buy a Ps3, but if I had one I'd get it.

Phantom_Menace

I have no problem with the past and I play many many older games. I love it.

My problem is with people needing it to look better. I mean serious, wtf do you need FF7 remade? it'll be the same game just prettier - and it's sad if thats what cows want. i'd prefer new and exiting IPs so we have something we'd actually feel like remaking in the future (mind you i'd still oppose that in the future). And what the hell is the chance it'll live up to it's hype and outscore the original? it's just set up to fail - and would be a risky project for Square (but square pretty much sucks these days IMO anyways, they were great when I was a kid though).

The only time a game should be remade is when we can finally make games fully interactive and 3D :) like a holodeck.

You know it wont be a perfect remake, theyle have all this artsy fart they added to all the FF spin offs, Cloud and Septhiroth magically growing wings and flying around, the balanced will be different, some thigns added and removed ... hell I wouldnt be suprised if they cut out Chocobo breeding/Racing .... or couldnt be arsed to re-imagine Knights of the Round ... the most ridiculous spell ever concieved.

It will kill FF7's charm ... the blocklike characters and 2D backrounds made the "walking mode" what it was, the fightings graphics were good, now they will slow it down "coz teh realism" so on so forth...

Butchering a classic purely for graphics and audio is pointless like every freaking Comic Hero film.

PC360Wii

True, that's a big problem with a remake. There are definitely some scenes that had a lot of charm to them in the original, and they'll probably be ruined with a remake.

While it wasn't the graphics that really bothered me in the original, I wouldn't mind an improvement there, but it would obviously be impossible to maintain the feel of the original. The main problem I had was that the fighting was so tedious in that game, even more so than later FF games, imo. If the battles were sped up some I'd enjoy it more; maybe it was me, but it felt like battles lasted forever in that game, even the minor ones with enemies that could be killed easily.

I haven't played the game in awhile, but maybe some minor tweaks in other areas would be helpful as well. But obviously some people wont agree with me, and actually thought FFVII was an amazing game right from the beginning. I'll admit that it was a good game, but it wasn't all that special to me.

You know it wont be a perfect remake, theyle have all this artsy fart they added to all the FF spin offs, Cloud and Septhiroth magically growing wings and flying around, the balanced will be different, some thigns added and removed ... hell I wouldnt be suprised if they cut out Chocobo breeding/Racing .... or couldnt be arsed to re-imagine Knights of the Round ... the most ridiculous spell ever concieved.

It will kill FF7's charm ... the blocklike characters and 2D backrounds made the "walking mode" what it was, the fightings graphics were good, now they will slow it down "coz teh realism" so on so forth...

Butchering a classic purely for graphics and audio is pointless like every freaking Comic Hero film.

PC360Wii

totally agree with you. it won't be the same, people will be disappointed, etc. doesn't matter a hell of a lot to me though, i gave up on FF years ago. anyone that's followed it since it started knows a little something has been lost over the years - call it charm, call it ingenuity, whatever it is it's gone and i don't feel the same when i play the newer ones.

[QUOTE="Phantom_Menace"]

What's wrong with the past?

Wouldn't like to go back and play Super Mario 3, or A Link to the Past again? I know I would if I had the opportunity.

Granted, I'd like to replay both of those on their original consoles. But, both have already been remade for other consoles, and if not already, will probably be released for the Wii's downloadable content. Neither game may have had a major graphical facelift, or any change at all, but both were re-released. So people are getting the games again with nothing new. (if there was something new which I didn't know about, that's good for those games)

But a remake of FFVII is nothing new to the gaming world. And getting a facelift would be an improvement over the other re-releases. I just hope that isn't the only change made to the game. Personally, it isn't enough to buy a Ps3, but if I had one I'd get it.

3picuri3

I have no problem with the past and I play many many older games. I love it.

My problem is with people needing it to look better. I mean serious, wtf do you need FF7 remade? it'll be the same game just prettier - and it's sad if thats what cows want. i'd prefer new and exiting IPs so we have something we'd actually feel like remaking in the future (mind you i'd still oppose that in the future). And what the hell is the chance it'll live up to it's hype and outscore the original? it's just set up to fail - and would be a risky project for Square (but square pretty much sucks these days IMO anyways, they were great when I was a kid though).

The only time a game should be remade is when we can finally make games fully interactive and 3D :) like a holodeck.

It doesn't need to look better; that was never my problem with the game... I enjoyed the graphics; I hated the slow feel to battles.

As for the score, a remake would have a very difficult time outscoring the original; I think the only way it could be done is with drastic changes, thereby making it a different game and not a remake any longer.

Even if Square is doing a remake, look up what else they're doing. They are doing plenty of other games at the moment as well: FFXIII (not a new IP, but a new game), The Last Remnant, Infinite Undiscovery, Star Ocean 4 (again, not a new IP), Dragon Quest IX.

I'm saying all these games are or will be great, or that Square-Enix is putting a lot of attention to them all. But nevertheless, they are all being worked on by Square-Enix. So, a FFVII remake would most likely be a little side project that they do along with everything else they're doing.

It doesn't need to look better; that was never my problem with the game... I enjoyed the graphics; I hated the slow feel to battles.

As for the score, a remake would have a very difficult time outscoring the original; I think the only way it could be done is with drastic changes, thereby making it a different game and not a remake any longer.

Even if Square is doing a remake, look up what else they're doing. They are doing plenty of other games at the moment as well: FFXIII (not a new IP, but a new game), The Last Remnant, Infinite Undiscovery, Star Ocean 4 (again, not a new IP), Dragon Quest IX.

I'm saying all these games are or will be great, or that Square-Enix is putting a lot of attention to them all. But nevertheless, they are all being worked on by Square-Enix. So, a FFVII remake would most likely be a little side project that they do along with everything else they're doing.

Phantom_Menace

a game should never be remade as a 'little side project' especially one that pushed so many systems and won so many people over. and I'm personally not excited about any of Square's upcoming titles, like I said -- they just don't have the same charm the used to have back in the day. And omfg - is Infinite Undiscovery not the worst name for a game ever? lol.

[QUOTE="jbeen"][QUOTE="thenorminator"][QUOTE="Ryusuken"]

Well, IMO, it was FFVII who put Sony's Playstationon its tracks to gaming world domination. It had very good games, but not one like FFVII, a legend on its own. To this day its considered the best FF by many, and still has a large fanbase under its wings. and, of course, IT STILL MAKES SE MONEY!

A re-make would certainly cement PS3 user base into a few millions, Japan alone. FF brand will make PS3 at least another 3 million users Japan alone (IMO, no fact, just my opinion). A FFVII remake would double that easily.

Observing that MS has no (not really, even NG2 doenst matter that much to Japan gamming market, because it is on X360) presence in the japanese market, PS3 selling better there may help to ofset the X360 one year long leadership faster.

Fanboys may cry an ocean if they want, FF is a system seller all around the world, and if a re-make of one of the most beloved games in the franchise arises yet again on Sony's main machine....

thenorminator

why would it do all that when you can play it now on the PS3. or i'm i wrong

No you can, and you can buy it for like $5. to make people spend full price for a remake is the deffinition of milkage.

i agree with you. i was asking the guy i was quoting a question

TO answer your questions: of course you can pick up your old FFVII and play it on PS3 with a better res. OF course, but, if SE makes a remake as a fan service, lets say, why not put some more content? More quests? a lot of other mini-games? besides, of course, of the all new tech they could use to implement graphics and, maybe a evolved andbetter gameplay? You know, BD disc space would allow that.

Some guys want so much to close their eyes at the prospect of X360 finishing last this gen because of a game like FFVII being remade to PS3, that they cant see such things?

I wont close my eyes tho that. All three have great chances of finishing whatever position you can thinkwhen this gen dies (in Nintendo and MS fashion - new consoles, while their older ones dies immediatelly, while Sony still goes with the PS3 and a new console)in a about 4-6 years (supposedly). Now, if some guys dont want to play a evolution of a great game, that isnt my problem, and millions of fans would love to play it again, not to say those who never played it and would have a go at a classic in new, and hopefully, better encarnation.

So, thats my answer. "oh...the milkage!111'1" and whatever other spinsfanboys mayuse doenst matters to me, or the FFVII fans, or SE if they do make a remake of it.

[QUOTE="Phantom_Menace"]

It doesn't need to look better; that was never my problem with the game... I enjoyed the graphics; I hated the slow feel to battles.

As for the score, a remake would have a very difficult time outscoring the original; I think the only way it could be done is with drastic changes, thereby making it a different game and not a remake any longer.

Even if Square is doing a remake, look up what else they're doing. They are doing plenty of other games at the moment as well: FFXIII (not a new IP, but a new game), The Last Remnant, Infinite Undiscovery, Star Ocean 4 (again, not a new IP), Dragon Quest IX.

I'm saying all these games are or will be great, or that Square-Enix is putting a lot of attention to them all. But nevertheless, they are all being worked on by Square-Enix. So, a FFVII remake would most likely be a little side project that they do along with everything else they're doing.

3picuri3

a game should never be remade as a 'little side project' especially one that pushed so many systems and won so many people over. and I'm personally not excited about any of Square's upcoming titles, like I said -- they just don't have the same charm the used to have back in the day. And omfg - is Infinite Undiscovery not the worst name for a game ever? lol.

I'm not overly excited about them either. Some of them look interesting, and I may look more into them, but I'm not going to hype them or anything. And Infinite Undiscovery is a pretty bad name.

As for charm, many of the big releases seem to lack charm, imo. Obviously games aren't the same as the used to be, which isn't a bad thing necessarily. But sometimes it just feels like something is missing from many of them, not just the Square-Enix games.

Why is it a big deal the square may be making a re make of a two generation old game? I am just curious because I loved FF7 when it came out but a remake? Why does that excite people?jbeen

[QUOTE="jbeen"]Why is it a big deal the square may be making a re make of a two generation old game? I am just curious because I loved FF7 when it came out but a remake? Why does that excite people?Carmilla31

Then why not just make a new game with the same characters? At least that I could understand.

[QUOTE="Carmilla31"][QUOTE="jbeen"]Why is it a big deal the square may be making a re make of a two generation old game? I am just curious because I loved FF7 when it came out but a remake? Why does that excite people?jbeen

Then why not just make a new game with the same characters? At least that I could understand.

Haters make it out as if remaking a game is such a terrible thing, i mean resident evil REmake, Twin snakes, tomb raider anniversary, Ninja Gaiden Sigmathejakel11225

Indeed, what about movies like the thing, the departed, the magnificent seven, amazing movies, yet remakes.

If somebody doesnt want a remake they dont have to play it, however i bet there are millions of gamers who do want a FF7 remake, and if its milkage, ok, im a cow, mooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.

Then why not just make a new game with the same characters? At least that I could understand.

jbeen

They have, for the PSP, and its sold like 500,000 copies in about 3 days.

and still people want a remake of the original.

FFVII is amazing to begin with and the way it is set up enhanced visuals will only make the already amazing experiance better.Wasdie

wow - that's some of the worst logic i've seen in a long long time.