What is the difference between used games and piracy FOR A DEVELOPER?

Can someone enlighten me cause I cant find any....

I think they are the same. Just that one is legal :P

I think they are the same. Just that one is legal :P

gameofthering

One they aren't losing money from because the pirate probably wouldn't pay for the game.

The other they aren't losing money from because the used game buyer probably only bought the game because they found it cheap, and the developer's publisher is too tight to drop the price. Plus, every used game exists because someone bought it new.

So, there really isn't any difference, especially since developers tend to ***** about both pretty equally.

I think they are the same. Just that one is legal :P

gameofthering

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I think they are the same. Just that one is legal :P

lawlessx

Can someone enlighten me cause I cant find any....

True_Gamer_

why should i?

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I think they are the same. Just that one is legal :P

lawlessx

The only thing the developers should be worried about is piracy since they never made money off it. Used games though they did because they started out new and were bought so the money went to them. But noooooo! they have to say that they are same or go as far as thinking that used game sales is worse then piracy.

I haven't seen that username in a while...

Anyways, pirates pirate games regardless of the game's quality. Used game sellers, on the other hand, sell games that they don't like. One indicates popularity, the other indicates whether or not a developer's done a good job. If a developer's having trouble with used games, that should say quite a lot.

The only thing the developers should be worried about is piracy since they never made money off it. Used games though they did because they started out new and were bought so the money went to them. But noooooo! they have to say that they are same or go as far as thinking that used game sales is worse then piracy.

Warhawk_

I haven't seen that username in a while...

Anyways, pirates pirate games regardless of the game's quality. Used game sellers, on the other hand, sell games that they don't like. One indicates popularity, the other indicates whether or not a developer's done a good job. If a developer's having trouble with used games, that should say quite a lot.

Technoweirdo

One is stealing something that someone wouldnt have paid for and the other is a lost sale--a sidestep of royalties.

One remains ethical and the other does not.

Because used games are good for the industry and piracy doesnt make them anything?

Used games keep stores like gamestop alive and stores like gamestop do exclusive deals with developers

Because used games are good for the industry and piracy doesnt make them anything?

crimsonman1245

Used games have to be purchased new in the first place to be sold used. So developers/publishers make some money.

Pirating is theft. No money made.

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Because used games are good for the industry and piracy doesnt make them anything?

kage_53

Gamefly has made me buy at least 10-15 games that i otherwise would NOT have bought because im not gambling on a 60 dollar game.

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Because used games are good for the industry and piracy doesnt make them anything?

kage_53

Used games will have a higher original sales origin.

A heavily circulated used game will still service less than a hundred people (probably less than 10).

A heavily downloaded pirated game will probably service thousands.

[QUOTE="Technoweirdo"]

I haven't seen that username in a while...

Anyways, pirates pirate games regardless of the game's quality. Used game sellers, on the other hand, sell games that they don't like. One indicates popularity, the other indicates whether or not a developer's done a good job. If a developer's having trouble with used games, that should say quite a lot.

AncientDozer

[QUOTE="GhoX"][QUOTE="Warhawk_"]

The only thing the developers should be worried about is piracy since they never made money off it. Used games though they did because they started out new and were bought so the money went to them. But noooooo! they have to say that they are same or go as far as thinking that used game sales is worse then piracy.

AncientDozer

[QUOTE="kage_53"][QUOTE="crimsonman1245"]

Because used games are good for the industry and piracy doesnt make them anything?

crimsonman1245

Gamefly has made me buy at least 10-15 games that i otherwise would NOT have bought because im not gambling on a 60 dollar game.

Used games help developers more than they realize. The availability of used games allows more people to try their games. They might take the used game back and buy it new if they like it and the prices are comparable. Or they tell a friend who cant find it used and buys new. The losses in revenue on used games are far less than pirating.-ArchAngeL-777-

Used games help developers more than they realize. The availability of used games allows more people to try their games. They might take the used game back and buy it new if they like it and the prices are comparable. Or they tell a friend who cant find it used and buys new. The losses in revenue on used games are far less than pirating.-ArchAngeL-777-

[QUOTE="-ArchAngeL-777-"]Used games help developers more than they realize. The availability of used games allows more people to try their games. They might take the used game back and buy it new if they like it and the prices are comparable. Or they tell a friend who cant find it used and buys new. The losses in revenue on used games are far less than pirating.GhoX

Without used games gamefly would die, gamestop would have layoffs all over etc etc. I love the people who act as though piracy and used games are the same

I think they are the same. Just that one is legal :P

gameofthering

Correct.

Any other addition to this is rationalization and logical fallacies.

[QUOTE="AncientDozer"][QUOTE="Technoweirdo"]

I haven't seen that username in a while...

Anyways, pirates pirate games regardless of the game's quality. Used game sellers, on the other hand, sell games that they don't like. One indicates popularity, the other indicates whether or not a developer's done a good job. If a developer's having trouble with used games, that should say quite a lot.

danish-death

Logic dictates that I should have sold 99% of my game collection a long time ago.
Collector's pride is only one reason but it's a strong one. 'Hardcore' gamers are a testament to that.

A used sale represents a market failure: someone was perfectly willing to spend their hard-earned cash on your game, but for whatever reason (the new copy was too expensive, it's their way of protesting some sh*tty dev/pub decision while still buying a legitimate copy, the game is simply too hard to find new, etc.) decided they'd rather take a chance on a used copy.

A pirated copy doesn't represent anything: there are so many rationales for piracy -- from the reasonable "I bought a legit copy and just don't want to deal with some bullsh*t always-online DRM" to the fact some people are just entitled assh*les -- that unless there's an obvious cause to learn from you really can't read anything into it.

I think they are the same. Just that one is legal :P

gameofthering

This pretty much, without bringing in consumer rights and everything.

[QUOTE="danish-death"][QUOTE="AncientDozer"] This person puts it more eloquently.Technoweirdo

Logic dictates that I should have sold 99% of my game collection a long time ago.
Collector's pride is only one reason but it's a strong one. 'Hardcore' gamers are a testament to that.

I didn't say that you have to sell each SP game when you are done with them I mere pointed out that it would be logical to assume that the used game marked has more SP games oppose to MP games.

At any rate your original point isn't exactly true IMO. People sell their games for various reasons and not just because games are bad, something with you assumed: "Used game sellers, on the other hand, sell games that they don't like. One indicates popularity, the other indicates whether or not a developer's done a good job. ".

Hardcore gamers/collectors are only a minority.

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Because used games are good for the industry and piracy doesnt make them anything?

kage_53

What basis do you have to make this statement? Stores like Gamestop are everywhere, and they thrive because of the used game industry. If you don't think brick and mortar game stores being everywhere don't make gaming more popular, thus increasing the sales for all games, then you are simply not thinking at all.

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[QUOTE="danish-death"] And yet it doesn't really make sense. Without having done any research I'd say it's only logical that *short* singleplayer games will be sold to stores and then resold as used a lot more than multiplayer oriented games and this is despit the quality of the game. People have tons of reasons to sell their game and it's not just because they're bad.danish-death

Logic dictates that I should have sold 99% of my game collection a long time ago.
Collector's pride is only one reason but it's a strong one. 'Hardcore' gamers are a testament to that.

I didn't say that you have to sell each SP game when you are done with them I mere pointed out that it would be logical to assume that the used game marked has more SP games oppose to MP games.

At any rate your original point isn't exactly true IMO. People sell their games for various reasons and not just because games are bad, something with you assumed: "Used game sellers, on the other hand, sell games that they don't like. One indicates popularity, the other indicates whether or not a developer's done a good job. ".

Hardcore gamers/collectors are only a minority.

I didn't say anything about single player or multiplayer. :? I think you misunderstood me when I said that I should have sold 99% of my game collection a long time ago. Let me put it this way: Even the most pragmatic gamer must have at least one game in their collection. One can't be much of a gamer if one doesn't have a game to play. :P

Anyway, I don't see how pragmatists affect my statement in any way. They're always going to be a factor and I didn't state the opposite. If everyone else is trading their copies too, there is clearly a problem.

Tangential to this is the hardcore population. I merely used them as the most extreme example of how strong collector's pride can be. Going back to the topic, simply liking a game can put pause to the most casual of gamers. For f***'s sake, the simple act of buying games means one isn't very pragmatic, even if the copy one buys is used. Collector's pride could end the used cycle.

Nothing but a change of heart or the law (Read: Really stupid DRM) can stop pirates.

With used games someone at one point at least purchased your product. With piracy, no such thing.

You're obviously lacking in logic if you can't figure this out yourself, TC.

From what I've seen (in Taiwan), even pirated games have difference...

1. Stores with only pirated hardcopy - they usually have crime syndicates backing them up, and they pay certain tax to the police, 0 contribute to the developer

2. Stores with both legal copies of video games and pirated regional games(mostly from Japnese niche dev)- they pay tax to the police and sometimes the crime syndicates, however with enough profit gained from pirated copies, they might lower the price for legal games to promote sales... a little contribute to developers (?), but also damage the game market pricing. (others without profits from piracy cannot lower legal game copies' prices as fast and would fail in competition)

3. Pirated games through downloading. Pirate gamers claim they advertise the games for free and if the products are of good quality they'll buy them. (well that's what they say anyway) They don't need to pay any money to crime groups/police though~