What kind of financial situation will Sony be in if the Vita flops badly?

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#1 abonsabo
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We already know they're losing billions and failing in nearly all of their divisions and have been placed on Deathwatch for 2012.

I predict we may never even see a PS4 :(

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#2 Chris_Williams
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you will see ps4, you just won't see another handheld from sony

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#3 ShadowDeathX
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Not much, Sony is a big company. If anything happens, they will just leave the Video Game market. If the company is about to die, then the Japanese government will surely bail them out.
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#4 Wii-U4Fun
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There will be a PS4 but Sony sure as hell isn't goin to put themselves in a situation where they will take huge losses with it.

Expect the PS4 to be powerful yet conservative hardware-wise.

It won't be a beast with GTX 590 and 4-6 GBs of RAM like some people are blindly asking for. Especially if it launches in 2013.

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#5 VensInferno
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It flops then sony will be like, meh? Sony isn't just about video games unlike nintendo.

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#6 ShadowMoses900
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Are you loosing ends? Or Karatee Chop? I know he has alt account, but even this seems kind of extreame for him. Sony will be fine and I'm sure Vita will do ok, mabey not the best but I think it could take off over time since it has some good ideas. But I'm not going to buy it as I don't thinkit's going to be worth the money and I would like to get a 3DS but I am wating for a new enhanced model with better battery life and two analog sticks.

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#7 vtbob88
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We already know they're losing billions and failing in nearly all of their divisions and have been placed on Deathwatch for 2012.

I predict we may never even see a PS4 :(

abonsabo

I am sure we will see a PS4, or at least I really hope so. I am a bigger Nintendo fan, however it would be a sad day to see any of the 3 companies have to end their gaming division.

Sony has done and said several things that I have not liked, however I do enjoy my ps3 and i loved my ps2. I am just against some of their ideas and the way they talk about other companies compared to how MS and Nintendo talk about others. Sony just seems to cocky

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#8 deactivated-61cc564148ef4
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They do make other stuff ya know.

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#9 SaltyMeatballs
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It's not gonna flop thanks to Japan.
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#10 samanthademeste
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Sony will be bankrupt by next year, IMHO.

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#11 Riverwolf007
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ok so yeah, i have made fun of them the entire gen but man i would be upset if they decided to leave the home console market.

my wishful thinking is that sony learns a valuable lesson about the value of delivering on hype as opposed to just generating it and gets bigger and better than ever.

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#12 jediknight52501
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Sony will be fine. they other things besides video games and hardware.
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#13 abonsabo
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Sony will be bankrupt by next year, IMHO.

samanthademeste

I have to agree sadly

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#14 MonsieurX
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[QUOTE="samanthademeste"]

Sony will be bankrupt by next year, IMHO.

abonsabo

I have to agree sadly

Never going to happen,sorry. You forgot they are producing a wide variety of electronics.
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What happens if Tc goes bankrupt before sony.

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#16 abonsabo
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[QUOTE="abonsabo"]

[QUOTE="samanthademeste"]

Sony will be bankrupt by next year, IMHO.

MonsieurX

I have to agree sadly

Never going to happen,sorry. You forgot they are producing a wide variety of electronics.

You do realize that almost all of Sonys divisions are losing money and their business as a whole is in debt billions right?

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#17 MonsieurX
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[QUOTE="MonsieurX"][QUOTE="abonsabo"]I have to agree sadly

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Never going to happen,sorry. You forgot they are producing a wide variety of electronics.

You do realize that almost all of Sonys divisions are losing money and their business as a whole is in debt billions right?

Any proofs?
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#18 abonsabo
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[QUOTE="abonsabo"]

[QUOTE="MonsieurX"] Never going to happen,sorry. You forgot they are producing a wide variety of electronics.MonsieurX

You do realize that almost all of Sonys divisions are losing money and their business as a whole is in debt billions right?

Any proofs?

http://www.engadget.com/2011/11/02/sony-posts-350-million-loss-in-q2-earnings-report-forecasts-fu/

http://www.1up.com/news/sony-posts-billion-dollar-loss

http://www.mobiledia.com/news/91740.html

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#19 abonsabo
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What now?

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#20 eboyishere
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Seeing how Japan is still around and They have gained some ground in europe, i think it's safe to say there will be a ps4
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#21 abonsabo
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Seeing how Japan is still around and They have gained some ground in europe, i think it's safe to say there will be a ps4eboyishere
How have they gained ground when they were first place last generation and now they're last?

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#22 James161324
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Sony will be in a bad spot. Unless the vita brings something new. I don't know how good handhelds can do anymore. Stuff like the iphone and other smartphones are really taking that market share.

The ps4 i don't except to see a huge jump, there will be a decent one but nothing major. Sony can not take the looses they took with the ps3.

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#23 bonesawisready5
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Well, the Vita will do poorly in NA I predict, at least for the first six months.

But since Sony doesn't care about all the software, jobs they could create if they ran their products like every other company in the friggin' planet and sold their phones, TVs, Game Consoles for a profit instead of a loss per unit, then I don't think even the Vita selling a pathetic 1-2.5 million units a year in NA just like the PSP has since 2009 will effect their overall business.

Though, I wish they would sell their hardware at a profit, thus putting more money into even more awesome first party games as well as job creation.

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#24 SaltyMeatballs
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Stuff like the iphone and other smartphones are really taking that market share.

>James161324
There is no proof of this. DS and PSP sold exceptionally well, 3DS beat DS sales in a similar time.
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#25 arkephonic
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Not good.

Sony needs to step up their game and put forth a very serious and well thought out ad campaign for the Vita. No one I know even knows what it is....

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#26 James161324
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[QUOTE="James161324"]

Stuff like the iphone and other smartphones are really taking that market share.

>SaltyMeatballs

There is no proof of this. DS and PSP sold exceptionally well, 3DS beat DS sales in a similar time.

The Ds and psp were out before the DS and psp. The 3ds did sell alright. But look around when people are not playing on there pc or consoles, more and more people are playing on there phones. Angry Birds sold like 100 million dollars

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#27 bonesawisready5
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[QUOTE="SaltyMeatballs"][QUOTE="James161324"]

Stuff like the iphone and other smartphones are really taking that market share.

>James161324

There is no proof of this. DS and PSP sold exceptionally well, 3DS beat DS sales in a similar time.

The Ds and psp were out before the DS and psp. The 3ds did sell alright. But look around when people are not playing on there pc or consoles, more and more people are playing on there phones. Angry Birds sold like 100 million dollars

Angry Birds can make $100 million, for a low price, at say 50 million downloads (lets say its $2 per unit download)

Sell a handheld game, Vita or 3DS, for $39.99. Sell about, let's say a moderately successful 3 million copies (what Super Mario 3D Land will sell by the end of this month)

That's $120 million, and with 47 million less customers.

It would seem to me, if you want to make more money and have some money to invest to begin with, a PSV/3DS release is far more profitable as 3 million seller on 3DS (and that's low number considering a lot of Nintendo DS games from Nintendo ended up selliing 5-25 million) makes more money with less than 10% of the customers on a smartphone.

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#28 lordlors
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[QUOTE="SaltyMeatballs"][QUOTE="James161324"]

Stuff like the iphone and other smartphones are really taking that market share.

>James161324

There is no proof of this. DS and PSP sold exceptionally well, 3DS beat DS sales in a similar time.

The Ds and psp were out before the DS and psp. The 3ds did sell alright. But look around when people are not playing on there pc or consoles, more and more people are playing on there phones. Angry Birds sold like 100 million dollars

Why did 3DS beat DS sales in their first years when in the time of DS launch smartphones weren't still big and advanced? If smartphones had such an impact that can affect the handhelds 3DS shouldn't have beaten DS' first year sales.
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#29 brofists
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Breaking news: "Internet forum troll Abonsabo kidnaps Sony executive" I mean wow are you obsessed with Sony. I mean this nicely, get a life, and live it positive. You are taking lemming fanboyism to a disturbing creppy level. The 360 is just a piece of cheap plastic bro. And no you can't marry the 360 either. We all know you want to perv. But you can't. Lol Brake yourself free of this mental illness known as 360 fanaticism lol. You can do it
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#31 darkman006
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And yet more Sony hate from abonsabo! Wonder how many lemmings must be his friends now? So how many Sony hate threads have you made today?
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#32 brofists
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Here's another one. "360 fanboy troll Abonsabo put on suicide watch after PS3 reports strong fiscal quarter"
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#33 lordlors
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And yet more Sony hate from abonsabo! Wonder how many lemmings must be his friends now? So how many Sony hate threads have you made today?darkman006
He actually pales in comparison to the nintendo haters such as Bread, AtariKid, etc.
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#34 abonsabo
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Breaking news: "Internet forum troll Abonsabo kidnaps Sony executive" I mean wow are you obsessed with Sony. I mean this nicely, get a life, and live it positive. You are taking lemming fanboyism to a disturbing creppy level. The 360 is just a piece of cheap plastic bro. And no you can't marry the 360 either. We all know you want to perv. But you can't. Lol Brake yourself free of this mental illness known as 360 fanaticism lol. You can do itbrofists
lol says the guy who PMed me yesteday threatening me.

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#35 actionjunkie10
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And yet more Sony hate from abonsabo! Wonder how many lemmings must be his friends now? So how many Sony hate threads have you made today?darkman006
In the past hour alone he's made about 75 Sony hate thread, so that would bring his total of Sony hate threads of about up to 739393976. He is either working hard for that pay check from Microsoft, in which case Microsoft should actually cut his pay check in half, because hes making lemmings look even worse and more delusional then I thought was humanly possible, OR: He is one creepy and pathetic obsessed individual with nothing better going on his miserable life then to make 100 Sony hate threads a day by the hour.
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It flops then sony will be like, meh? Sony isn't just about video games unlike nintendo.

VensInferno

Are you loosing ends? Or Karatee Chop? I know he has alt account, but even this seems kind of extreame for him. Sony will be fine and I'm sure Vita will do ok, mabey not the best but I think it could take off over time since it has some good ideas. But I'm not going to buy it as I don't thinkit's going to be worth the money and I would like to get a 3DS but I am wating for a new enhanced model with better battery life and two analog sticks.

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Angry Birds can make $100 million, for a low price, at say 50 million downloads (lets say its $2 per unit download)

Sell a handheld game, Vita or 3DS, for $39.99. Sell about, let's say a moderately successful 3 million copies (what Super Mario 3D Land will sell by the end of this month)

That's $120 million, and with 47 million less customers.

It would seem to me, if you want to make more money and have some money to invest to begin with, a PSV/3DS release is far more profitable as 3 million seller on 3DS (and that's low number considering a lot of Nintendo DS games from Nintendo ended up selliing 5-25 million) makes more money with less than 10% of the customers on a smartphone.

bonesawisready5

Indeed. 300 million downloads for Angry Birds, $100 million dollars, that's nothing. It's cheap, free, even I have it on my iPod. It means little.

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If they don't have any money why did the just buy Ericsson for like 5 billion?

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[QUOTE="darkman006"]And yet more Sony hate from abonsabo! Wonder how many lemmings must be his friends now? So how many Sony hate threads have you made today?lordlors
He actually pales in comparison to the nintendo haters such as Bread, AtariKid, etc.

Oh hell no lol. In no way does anybody compare to the raving lunatic that is Abonsabo. The man is a certified nut job, and spends every second of his miserable life trolling away on Gamespot with Sony hate threads on top of Sony hate threads. Do you see those other posters making 100 Ninetendo hate threads a day like how Abonsabo makes 10000 Sony hate threads a day and by the hour. ENOUGH SAID. Now the real question to ask here is, why hasn't this troll been banned yet? What mod is he blowing , besides him already blowing the tiny corporate shaft of Microsoft.
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Bad...the only things really propping up Sony are their assets they've held for two decades (that they would have to start selling) and tax abatement from the Japanese government (which are starting to catch up).
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If they don't have any money why did the just buy Ericsson for like 5 billion?

themajormayor
$1.5 billion...Sony has plenty of revenue they just lose money far too often. And buying out Ericsson was really stupid. I would argue that's another example of them making stupid decisions.
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If the Vita flops, they could just cut the price like Nintendo did with the 3DS.

Or make a new model addressing all the problems of the original with a cut price.

The Vita has a lot of potential IMO.

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[QUOTE="themajormayor"]

If they don't have any money why did the just buy Ericsson for like 5 billion?

KC_Hokie

$1.5 billion...Sony has plenty of revenue they just lose money far too often. And buying out Ericsson was really stupid. I would argue that's another example of them making stupid decisions.

Ericson is supposedly going to be phased out next year due to Sony's struggling.

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#44 Aquaunitpatrol
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[QUOTE="themajormayor"]

If they don't have any money why did the just buy Ericsson for like 5 billion?

KC_Hokie
$1.5 billion...Sony has plenty of revenue they just lose money far too often. And buying out Ericsson was really stupid. I would argue that's another example of them making stupid decisions.

Maybe when they were 99% sure they were profitable the decesion would not have made me throw a hammer at the SCEA HQ.
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#45 abonsabo
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If the Vita flops, they could just cut the price like Nintendo did with the 3DS.

Or make a new model addressing all the problems of the original with a cut price.

The Vita has a lot of potential IMO.

Nega3

Nintendo was only able to cut the price like that because they were selling the 3DS at a ton of profit at $250.

Sony is breaking even.losing money on Vita right now as it is. They can't afford a significant price drop.

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[QUOTE="brofists"]Breaking news: "Internet forum troll Abonsabo kidnaps Sony executive" I mean wow are you obsessed with Sony. I mean this nicely, get a life, and live it positive. You are taking lemming fanboyism to a disturbing creppy level. The 360 is just a piece of cheap plastic bro. And no you can't marry the 360 either. We all know you want to perv. But you can't. Lol Brake yourself free of this mental illness known as 360 fanaticism lol. You can do itabonsabo

lol says the guy who PMed me yesteday threatening me.

I wouldn't blame him. You are beyond annoying. And I can't even imagine how much of an annoying, pathetic, and miserable little weasel you must be in real life. I bet a lot of people would LOVE to smack you aroun or at least smack some sense into your brain lol
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#47 KC_Hokie
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[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="themajormayor"]

If they don't have any money why did the just buy Ericsson for like 5 billion?

abonsabo

$1.5 billion...Sony has plenty of revenue they just lose money far too often. And buying out Ericsson was really stupid. I would argue that's another example of them making stupid decisions.

Ericson is supposedly going to be phased out next year due to Sony's struggling.

Yea the Sony-Ericsson brand is finished. But that division isn't. Sony bought out their partner (50-50 deal) in order to save a division that's like 6th in their industry. And they spent $1.5 doing it and who knows how much they lost over the years.

Sony is just a poorly run company. Most corporations would have just closed down a division that bad. Sony is stubborn and refuses.

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[QUOTE="lordlors"][QUOTE="darkman006"]And yet more Sony hate from abonsabo! Wonder how many lemmings must be his friends now? So how many Sony hate threads have you made today?actionjunkie10
He actually pales in comparison to the nintendo haters such as Bread, AtariKid, etc.

Oh hell no lol. In no way does anybody compare to the raving lunatic that is Abonsabo. The man is a certified nut job, and spends every second of his miserable life trolling away on Gamespot with Sony hate threads on top of Sony hate threads. Do you see those other posters making 100 Ninetendo hate threads a day like how Abonsabo makes 10000 Sony hate threads a day and by the hour. ENOUGH SAID. Now the real question to ask here, IS WHY ON EARTH HASNT THIS NUT JOB TROLL BEEN BANNED? What mod is he blowing , besides him already blowing the tiny corporate shaft of Microsoft.

He's not that bad. He's dumb as can be, but as soon as his commitment runs out he'll be gone and forgotten soon enough. If you want him gone, make some attempts to run out that commitment. He obviously runs on and is motivated by the idea that people are riled up by the stupidity of his.
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[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="themajormayor"]

If they don't have any money why did the just buy Ericsson for like 5 billion?

$1.5 billion...Sony has plenty of revenue they just lose money far too often. And buying out Ericsson was really stupid. I would argue that's another example of them making stupid decisions.

Why?
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#50 KC_Hokie
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[QUOTE="themajormayor"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="themajormayor"]

If they don't have any money why did the just buy Ericsson for like 5 billion?

$1.5 billion...Sony has plenty of revenue they just lose money far too often. And buying out Ericsson was really stupid. I would argue that's another example of them making stupid decisions.

Why?

Sony bought out their partner (50-50 deal) in order to save a division that's like 6th in their industry. And they spent $1.5 doing it and who knows how much they lost over the years. Sony is just a poorly run company. Most corporations would have just closed down a division that bad. Sony is stubborn and refuses.