What scares Anti-Wii fanboys

Is that the market for non-gamers is 100% larger than the market hardcore gamer.

The "Casuals" or non-gamer market is so untapped! It has so much potential. Nintendo has been stereotyped as a "kiddy" company but they're changing the ages of gamers. People from all ages, 5-75 love Wii sports and Brain Age and then say "hey I hear this Zelda, Metroid,Mario,Fire Emblem game is good. I'll try it" And then BOOM! A new hardcore gamer is made.

I think the Wii is perfect for the hardcore gamer, Franchises like Zelda, Mario, and Metroid invented what it is to be a "hardcore" gamer.

Also, with the DS we've seen Nintendo attract alot of Non-Gamers, I mean 38 million going on 40 is alot of sales in just over two years. Thing is, alot of those non-gamers or casuals will become hardcore because of the DS and the Wii and a whole new hardcore gamer is born off of Nintendo products.

Bringing Casuals and Non-Gamers can breed hardcore gamers while securing alot of sales from those who stay as casuals.

Non gamers will stick to the Wii. The Nintendogs/Brain Training adopters will without a doubt like things like Wiisports etc.

Casuals will go to PS3 for GT5, GTAIV etc. Hardcore gamers will go to PS3 for FFXIII/MGSIV etc. 

Hardcore games like FF/MGS > Zelda/Metroid/SSB. Not in terms of quality, but in terms of sales as shown by last gen. 

Is that the market for non-gamers is 100% larger than the market hardcore gamer.

The "Casuals" or non-gamer market is so untapped! It has so much potential. Nintendo has been stereotyped as a "kiddy" company but they're changing the ages of gamers. People from all ages, 5-75 love Wii sports and Brain Age and then say "hey I hear this Zelda, Metroid,Mario,Fire Emblem game is good. I'll try it" And then BOOM! A new hardcore gamer is made.

I think the Wii is perfect for the hardcore gamer, Franchises like Zelda, Mario, and Metroid invented what it is to be a "hardcore" gamer.

Also, with the DS we've seen Nintendo attract alot of Non-Gamers, I mean 38 million going on 40 is alot of sales in just over two years. Thing is, alot of those non-gamers or casuals will become hardcore because of the DS and the Wii and a whole new hardcore gamer is born off of Nintendo products.

Bringing Casuals and Non-Gamers can breed hardcore gamers while securing alot of sales from those who stay as casuals.

 

darth-pyschosis

HAHAHA!! Yes I agree, its a great business plan. 

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Is that the market for non-gamers is 100% larger than the market hardcore gamer.

The "Casuals" or non-gamer market is so untapped! It has so much potential. Nintendo has been stereotyped as a "kiddy" company but they're changing the ages of gamers. People from all ages, 5-75 love Wii sports and Brain Age and then say "hey I hear this Zelda, Metroid,Mario,Fire Emblem game is good. I'll try it" And then BOOM! A new hardcore gamer is made.

I think the Wii is perfect for the hardcore gamer, Franchises like Zelda, Mario, and Metroid invented what it is to be a "hardcore" gamer.

Also, with the DS we've seen Nintendo attract alot of Non-Gamers, I mean 38 million going on 40 is alot of sales in just over two years. Thing is, alot of those non-gamers or casuals will become hardcore because of the DS and the Wii and a whole new hardcore gamer is born off of Nintendo products.

Bringing Casuals and Non-Gamers can breed hardcore gamers while securing alot of sales from those who stay as casuals.

 

osbassgordo

HAHAHA!! Yes I agree, its a great business plan. 

The hardcore community is partial to the 360/PS3 combo. The Wii will have its share of hardcore gamers, but the Wii's appeal is to the casual gamer.TDLlama

Sorry but there are alot more people that are partial to the Wii/360 or Ps/Wii combo.

Hardcore games like FF/MGS > Zelda/Metroid/SSB. Not in terms of quality, but in terms of sales as shown by last gen.

the-very-best

You're right on most anything (though some hardcore gamers will go 360 instead of Ps3... or get both), but this point is hard to defend. The Gamecube sold less than a quarter of what the PS2 sold, so absolute sales aren't really useful. On the other hand, a bigger userbase means a more diverse audience, and the PS2 was the de facto casual machine last gen, which impacts it's game attach rate.

Still, SSBM, Mario Kart and Mario Sunshine outsold every Metal Gear Solid AND Final Fantasy on the PS2 (fell to VII and VIII on the PS1). Zelda WW outsold MGS3.

So it could be said that you're wrong in this respect. 

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out0v0rder

Is that the market for non-gamers is 100% larger than the market hardcore gamer.

The "Casuals" or non-gamer market is so untapped! It has so much potential. Nintendo has been stereotyped as a "kiddy" company but they're changing the ages of gamers. People from all ages, 5-75 love Wii sports and Brain Age and then say "hey I hear this Zelda, Metroid,Mario,Fire Emblem game is good. I'll try it" And then BOOM! A new hardcore gamer is made.

I think the Wii is perfect for the hardcore gamer, Franchises like Zelda, Mario, and Metroid invented what it is to be a "hardcore" gamer.

Also, with the DS we've seen Nintendo attract alot of Non-Gamers, I mean 38 million going on 40 is alot of sales in just over two years. Thing is, alot of those non-gamers or casuals will become hardcore because of the DS and the Wii and a whole new hardcore gamer is born off of Nintendo products.

Bringing Casuals and Non-Gamers can breed hardcore gamers while securing alot of sales from those who stay as casuals.

darth-pyschosis

Non gamers will stick to the Wii. The Nintendogs/Brain Training adopters will without a doubt like things like Wiisports etc.

Casuals will go to PS3 for GT5, GTAIV etc. Hardcore gamers will go to PS3 for FFXIII/MGSIV etc.

Hardcore games like FF/MGS > Zelda/Metroid/SSB. Not in terms of quality, but in terms of sales as shown by last gen.

the-very-best

I personally don't mind if wii is succesful or not. It doesn't affect me at all because it is catering to a completely different kind of person than myself.

If wii fails I won't care. If it succeeds that's great but I still don't care. even if it sells 200 M units I won't buy one unless a slew of games come out for it that I really want.

So far there are a total of 0 games I want for Wii that are exclusives. 

Is that the market for non-gamers is 100% larger than the market hardcore gamer.

The "Casuals" or non-gamer market is so untapped! It has so much potential. Nintendo has been stereotyped as a "kiddy" company but they're changing the ages of gamers. People from all ages, 5-75 love Wii sports and Brain Age and then say "hey I hear this Zelda, Metroid,Mario,Fire Emblem game is good. I'll try it" And then BOOM! A new hardcore gamer is made.

I think the Wii is perfect for the hardcore gamer, Franchises like Zelda, Mario, and Metroid invented what it is to be a "hardcore" gamer.

Also, with the DS we've seen Nintendo attract alot of Non-Gamers, I mean 38 million going on 40 is alot of sales in just over two years. Thing is, alot of those non-gamers or casuals will become hardcore because of the DS and the Wii and a whole new hardcore gamer is born off of Nintendo products.

Bringing Casuals and Non-Gamers can breed hardcore gamers while securing alot of sales from those who stay as casuals.

darth-pyschosis

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Is that the market for non-gamers is 100% larger than the market hardcore gamer.

The "Casuals" or non-gamer market is so untapped! It has so much potential. Nintendo has been stereotyped as a "kiddy" company but they're changing the ages of gamers. People from all ages, 5-75 love Wii sports and Brain Age and then say "hey I hear this Zelda, Metroid,Mario,Fire Emblem game is good. I'll try it" And then BOOM! A new hardcore gamer is made.

I think the Wii is perfect for the hardcore gamer, Franchises like Zelda, Mario, and Metroid invented what it is to be a "hardcore" gamer.

Also, with the DS we've seen Nintendo attract alot of Non-Gamers, I mean 38 million going on 40 is alot of sales in just over two years. Thing is, alot of those non-gamers or casuals will become hardcore because of the DS and the Wii and a whole new hardcore gamer is born off of Nintendo products.

Bringing Casuals and Non-Gamers can breed hardcore gamers while securing alot of sales from those who stay as casuals.

PaintballinDude

I personally don't mind if wii is succesful or not. It doesn't affect me at all because it is catering to a completely different kind of person than myself.

If wii fails I won't care. If it succeeds that's great but I still don't care. even if it sells 200 M units I won't buy one unless a slew of games come out for it that I really want.

So far there are a total of 0 games I want for Wii that are exclusives.

Trading_Zoner

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Non gamers will stick to the Wii. The Nintendogs/Brain Training adopters will without a doubt like things like Wiisports etc.

Casuals will go to PS3 for GT5, GTAIV etc. Hardcore gamers will go to PS3 for FFXIII/MGSIV etc.

Hardcore games like FF/MGS > Zelda/Metroid/SSB. Not in terms of quality, but in terms of sales as shown by last gen.

Devil-Itachi

i think he's absolutly correct in his general idea.

nintendo fans will make up the large majority of wiis hardcore and casual gamer demographic. IMO. 

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I personally don't mind if wii is succesful or not. It doesn't affect me at all because it is catering to a completely different kind of person than myself.

If wii fails I won't care. If it succeeds that's great but I still don't care. even if it sells 200 M units I won't buy one unless a slew of games come out for it that I really want.

So far there are a total of 0 games I want for Wii that are exclusives.

beldugo

what? :? 

I think the Wii is perfect for the hardcore gamer, Franchises like Zelda, Mario, and Metroid invented what it is to be a "hardcore" gamer.

darth-pyschosis

How can a system that's created to appeal to non-gamers somehow be perfect for hardcore gamers?  Most hardcore gamers need more than just Mario and Zelda. 

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I think the Wii is perfect for the hardcore gamer, Franchises like Zelda, Mario, and Metroid invented what it is to be a "hardcore" gamer.

Teufelhuhn

How can a system that's created to appeal to non-gamers somehow be perfect for hardcore gamers? Most hardcore gamers need more than just Mario and Zelda.

yeah.

And we aren't fond of large game droughts either... 

[QUOTE="Trading_Zoner"]

I personally don't mind if wii is succesful or not. It doesn't affect me at all because it is catering to a completely different kind of person than myself.

If wii fails I won't care. If it succeeds that's great but I still don't care. even if it sells 200 M units I won't buy one unless a slew of games come out for it that I really want.

So far there are a total of 0 games I want for Wii that are exclusives.

beldugo

[QUOTE="beldugo"][QUOTE="Trading_Zoner"]

I personally don't mind if wii is succesful or not. It doesn't affect me at all because it is catering to a completely different kind of person than myself.

If wii fails I won't care. If it succeeds that's great but I still don't care. even if it sells 200 M units I won't buy one unless a slew of games come out for it that I really want.

So far there are a total of 0 games I want for Wii that are exclusives.

Boba_Fett_3710

would you consider yourself a nintendo fan? 

would you consider yourself a nintendo fan? Trading_Zoner

[QUOTE="Trading_Zoner"]would you consider yourself a nintendo fan? Ultimate_Peon

I think his point is quite valid.  On any Nintendo system since the N64, a disproportionate number of the system's AAA games are Nintendo games.  Which means that if you don't like Nintendo, systems like the GameCube don't offer you too much.

[QUOTE="Ultimate_Peon"][QUOTE="Trading_Zoner"]would you consider yourself a nintendo fan? Teufelhuhn

I think his point is quite valid.  On any Nintendo system since the N64, a disproportionate number of the system's AAA games are Nintendo games.  Which means that if you don't like Nintendo, systems like the GameCube don't offer you too much.

Non gamers will stick to the Wii. The Nintendogs/Brain Training adopters will without a doubt like things like Wiisports etc.

Casuals will go to PS3 for GT5, GTAIV etc. Hardcore gamers will go to PS3 for FFXIII/MGSIV etc. 

Hardcore games like FF/MGS > Zelda/Metroid/SSB. Not in terms of quality, but in terms of sales as shown by last gen. 

the-very-best

Sorry but your wrong the casuals aren't gonna buy a PS3 anytime soon, it will not be purchased by a causual gamers untill the price get's to 250.00

[QUOTE="Ultimate_Peon"][QUOTE="Trading_Zoner"]would you consider yourself a nintendo fan? Teufelhuhn

I think his point is quite valid. On any Nintendo system since the N64, a disproportionate number of the system's AAA games are Nintendo games. Which means that if you don't like Nintendo, systems like the GameCube don't offer you too much.

Don't you guys get it, the larger the installed base the more software that is developed for the console. Therefore more chances to get a game that apeals to a crowd. The more apeal the more purchases building yet a larger installed base, which brings even more developers. Add infinity.

You guys don't get it do you the WII has such momentum right now it will have the most titles at the end of it's lifecycle. It's just a fact I think there was a formula devised for it. Why do you think the PC is sold more than the Mac, becuse it has more software developed for it. The Mac is a better computer, and much simpler to use, but it doesn't matter, the PC is a bit cheaper, and has tons more applications, becuse it has a larger installed base. That is why the PS2 was the dominate console last gen it just had the most users, becuse it had the most games. It wasn't the best technoligically or graphically, but it did just had so many more games than the XBOX or the GameCube. The rate that the WII is selling, it will have outsold the 360 buy the end of this year. If the WII starts to fail, which I don't see how it can becuse the casual's, and non gamers are just eating it up, and even us hardcores, that like to play somthing different from time to time find the WII a bargain, have jumped on the bandwagon also.  

Here's the question; do we really want casuals to be tapped? The same people that buy Madden every year?AnimeHendrix

Is that the market for non-gamers is 100% larger than the market hardcore gamer.

The "Casuals" or non-gamer market is so untapped! It has so much potential. Nintendo has been stereotyped as a "kiddy" company but they're changing the ages of gamers. People from all ages, 5-75 love Wii sports and Brain Age and then say "hey I hear this Zelda, Metroid,Mario,Fire Emblem game is good. I'll try it" And then BOOM! A new hardcore gamer is made.

I think the Wii is perfect for the hardcore gamer, Franchises like Zelda, Mario, and Metroid invented what it is to be a "hardcore" gamer.

Also, with the DS we've seen Nintendo attract alot of Non-Gamers, I mean 38 million going on 40 is alot of sales in just over two years. Thing is, alot of those non-gamers or casuals will become hardcore because of the DS and the Wii and a whole new hardcore gamer is born off of Nintendo products.

Bringing Casuals and Non-Gamers can breed hardcore gamers while securing alot of sales from those who stay as casuals.

 

darth-pyschosis

By the way can some one define a "HARDCORE GAMER" for me, do I qualify, I have like 500 games between my PC, and all my consoles.

Yet ninty wants to screw there hardcore fanbase, by taking a more mature game, like RE4 and take away the blood/violence,difficulty....essentially the fun. Thanks Nintendo. Gaming4_Life

I couldn't possibly care less about what's going on with Nintendo anymore. They can operate on their own level as they wish. Other developers won't restrict what they're going to publish for the other machines, because the fanbase of the Xbox 360, Playstation 3, and PC will always be bigger than the Wii's fanbase. TekkenMaster606

What should really scare an ''Anty-wii'' is that one of their favorite titles being made exclusively for Wii.tegovoltio

You highlight one oft overlooked argument of the anti-Wii brigade. They hide behind the facade of gaming being 'diluted' by the Wii but as you say games such as Wii Sports, Brain Age and Nintendogs are simply the hooks to draw people in further. These so-called 'casuals' or 'non-gamers' will most likely extend their growing interest towards more complex games.Caviglia

[QUOTE="Caviglia"]You highlight one oft overlooked argument of the anti-Wii brigade. They hide behind the facade of gaming being 'diluted' by the Wii but as you say games such as Wii Sports, Brain Age and Nintendogs are simply the hooks to draw people in further. These so-called 'casuals' or 'non-gamers' will most likely extend their growing interest towards more complex games.Runningflame570