What sort of consequences will the next gen consoles have on PC hardware?

Should I expect the next gen consoles to give PC hardware manufacturers inventive to see if they can't make better hardware while keeping a competitive price in mind?

probably just continue on like it does now

Should I expect the next gen consoles to give PC hardware manufacturers inventive to see if they can't make better hardware while keeping a competitive price in mind?

flashn00b

PC hardware prices are based on costs of production, with the allowance of a profit margin necessary for any business to stay afloat. They're not gonna get cheaper just because some console with low to mid range components from 2011 comes along. :roll:

Should I expect the next gen consoles to give PC hardware manufacturers inventive to see if they can't make better hardware while keeping a competitive price in mind?

flashn00b

Like any new console generation it provides an incentive to upgrade now that games coming out will take advantage of the better hardware since consoles tend to play the role of lowest common denominator.  Aside from that there's not going to be any huge changes - you'll continue to see hardware manufacturers off a range of products at various prices and as usual you get what you pay for. 

It doesn't take much to be able to put together a machine now that can equal or beat the next gen consoles...and in two years from now when you have much better GPUs, new Intel processors and DDR4 ram it will once again far exceed the consoles.

Well when graphics continue to evolve at a snail's pace, the hermits will all blame next gen consoles for it like always. They won't be happier playing a couple settings above next gen consoles, they want photo realism "right nao".

probably just continue on like it does now

lostrib

I think we'll get more of the same.

PCs have improved to the point where high end is superior to nextgen consoles, before they even lauch, this time.

If Moore's law keeps up, the gap will be even wider this gen.

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Should I expect the next gen consoles to give PC hardware manufacturers inventive to see if they can't make better hardware while keeping a competitive price in mind?

biggles2120

[QUOTE="biggles2120"][QUOTE="flashn00b"]

Should I expect the next gen consoles to give PC hardware manufacturers inventive to see if they can't make better hardware while keeping a competitive price in mind?

m3Boarder32

[QUOTE="biggles2120"][QUOTE="flashn00b"]

Should I expect the next gen consoles to give PC hardware manufacturers inventive to see if they can't make better hardware while keeping a competitive price in mind?

m3Boarder32

The 7850 is $160 now, so yeah, he's right.

[QUOTE="m3Boarder32"][QUOTE="biggles2120"] All it takes is a $160.00 video card to surpass what PS4 and X1 can do.Kinthalis

The 7850 is $160 now, so yeah, he's right.

where do you install the games on the 7850?

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[QUOTE="m3Boarder32"] Lmao nolostrib

The 7850 is $160 now, so yeah, he's right.

where do you install the games on the 7850?

Strawman. He refuted Giovela validly. 

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[QUOTE="Kinthalis"]

 

The 7850 is $160 now, so yeah, he's right.

 

Jankarcop

where do you install the games on the 7850?

Strawman. He refuted Giovela validly. 

No he didn't. simply having a 7850 won't beat the PS4, nor is it even proven that it will

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[QUOTE="lostrib"]

where do you install the games on the 7850?

lostrib

Strawman. He refuted Giovela validly. 

No he didn't. simply having a 7850 won't beat the PS4, nor is it even proven that it will

The meaning was clear. Faulting him for not explicitly stating that a video card on its own wont play a game is just as foolish as faulting someone to talk about the capacity of the PS4 without explicitly stating that you need a TV or a monitor to be able to play games on it.

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Should I expect the next gen consoles to give PC hardware manufacturers inventive to see if they can't make better hardware while keeping a competitive price in mind?

biggles2120

biggles is right. check my sig. 

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[QUOTE="Jankarcop"]

 

Strawman. He refuted Giovela validly. 

 

Mazoch

No he didn't. simply having a 7850 won't beat the PS4, nor is it even proven that it will

The meaning was clear. Faulting him for not explicitly stating that a video card on its own wont play a game is just as foolish as faulting someone to talk about the capacity of the PS4 without explicitly stating that you need a TV or a monitor to be able to play games on it.

Just to get a working configuration to play PC games you'd need a motherboard, RAM, CPU, hard drive, PSU, and then a video card.

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[QUOTE="lostrib"]

No he didn't. simply having a 7850 won't beat the PS4, nor is it even proven that it will

princeofshapeir

The meaning was clear. Faulting him for not explicitly stating that a video card on its own wont play a game is just as foolish as faulting someone to talk about the capacity of the PS4 without explicitly stating that you need a TV or a monitor to be able to play games on it.

Just to get a working configuration to play PC games you'd need a motherboard, RAM, CPU, hard drive, PSU, and then a video card.

MOST people on the planet already have desktops. MOST people on the planet DO NOT have a PS4. Therefore, for MOST PEOPLE on the planet, a sub $200 GPU will do them right.

Also, please let me know the moment my PS4 can run Photoshop, Premier, Visual Studio 2013, can be used to record my various isntruments, run excel and power point, play my new favorite browser game - CardHunter (seriously, check it out, it's awesome!) and can rip my blu-rays too. I assume it will be able to do that for $399 as well, right?

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[QUOTE="Mazoch"]

The meaning was clear. Faulting him for not explicitly stating that a video card on its own wont play a game is just as foolish as faulting someone to talk about the capacity of the PS4 without explicitly stating that you need a TV or a monitor to be able to play games on it.

Kinthalis

Just to get a working configuration to play PC games you'd need a motherboard, RAM, CPU, hard drive, PSU, and then a video card.

MOST people on the planet already have desktops. MOST people on the planet DO NOT have a PS4. Therefore, for MOST PEOPLE on the planet, a sub $200 GPU will do them right.

Also, please let me know the moment my PS4 can run Photoshop, Premier, Visual Studio 2013, can be used to record my various isntruments, run excel and power point, play my new favorite browser game - CardHunter (seriously, check it out, it's awesome!) and can rip my blu-rays too. I assume it will be able to do that for $399 as well, right?

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[QUOTE="lostrib"]

No he didn't. simply having a 7850 won't beat the PS4, nor is it even proven that it will

princeofshapeir

The meaning was clear. Faulting him for not explicitly stating that a video card on its own wont play a game is just as foolish as faulting someone to talk about the capacity of the PS4 without explicitly stating that you need a TV or a monitor to be able to play games on it.

Just to get a working configuration to play PC games you'd need a motherboard, RAM, CPU, hard drive, PSU, and then a video card.

[QUOTE="Kinthalis"]

[QUOTE="princeofshapeir"] You are missing the point. You can't tell me that a GPU alone will do what a $399 PS4 can. When you equate a graphics card alone to a PS4 that's what you're saying: that a graphics card, a raw graphics card with nothing else attached, will deliver the experience of a packaged console.

Just to get a working configuration to play PC games you'd need a motherboard, RAM, CPU, hard drive, PSU, and then a video card.

princeofshapeir

MOST people on the planet already have desktops. MOST people on the planet DO NOT have a PS4. Therefore, for MOST PEOPLE on the planet, a sub $200 GPU will do them right.

Also, please let me know the moment my PS4 can run Photoshop, Premier, Visual Studio 2013, can be used to record my various isntruments, run excel and power point, play my new favorite browser game - CardHunter (seriously, check it out, it's awesome!) and can rip my blu-rays too. I assume it will be able to do that for $399 as well, right?

Yeah, they continute to fall (the overal global market that is - not the PC gmaing makret. PC gmaing hardware continues to GROW).  Do you know by how much? And do you know how many desktops STILL get moved ina  single quarter?

In case you odn't fele like googling it: It's more in 1 quarter than ALL SALES OF ANY CONSOLE COMBINED FOR THE PAST ENTIRE GENERATION.

So yeah, MOST people in the world do indeed own a desktop.

[QUOTE="m3Boarder32"][QUOTE="biggles2120"] All it takes is a $160.00 video card to surpass what PS4 and X1 can do.Kinthalis

The 7850 is $160 now, so yeah, he's right.

Or they could just spend $60 more and get a 7950, which destroys the PS4/XB1. Hell, you could even get a 7970--it's still cheaper than buying a PS4 or XB1, and so long as you have a remotely decent CPU, you should be good for the next 3 years at least. 

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[QUOTE="Mazoch"]

The meaning was clear. Faulting him for not explicitly stating that a video card on its own wont play a game is just as foolish as faulting someone to talk about the capacity of the PS4 without explicitly stating that you need a TV or a monitor to be able to play games on it.

Mazoch

Just to get a working configuration to play PC games you'd need a motherboard, RAM, CPU, hard drive, PSU, and then a video card.

[QUOTE="princeofshapeir"][QUOTE="Kinthalis"]

MOST people on the planet already have desktops. MOST people on the planet DO NOT have a PS4. Therefore, for MOST PEOPLE on the planet, a sub $200 GPU will do them right.

Also, please let me know the moment my PS4 can run Photoshop, Premier, Visual Studio 2013, can be used to record my various isntruments, run excel and power point, play my new favorite browser game - CardHunter (seriously, check it out, it's awesome!) and can rip my blu-rays too. I assume it will be able to do that for $399 as well, right?

Kinthalis

Yeah, they continute to fall (the overal global market that is - not the PC gmaing makret. PC gmaing hardware continues to GROW).  Do you know by how much? And do you know how many desktops STILL get moved ina  single quarter?

In case you odn't fele like googling it: It's more in 1 quarter than ALL SALES OF ANY CONSOLE COMBINED FOR THE PAST ENTIRE GENERATION.

So yeah, MOST people in the world do indeed own a desktop.

[QUOTE="Mazoch"][QUOTE="princeofshapeir"] You are missing the point. You can't tell me that a GPU alone will do what a $399 PS4 can. When you equate a graphics card alone to a PS4 that's what you're saying: that a graphics card, a raw graphics card with nothing else attached, will deliver the experience of a packaged console.

Just to get a working configuration to play PC games you'd need a motherboard, RAM, CPU, hard drive, PSU, and then a video card.

princeofshapeir

The Core 2 Duo will perform better than the PS4 CPU, yes. The RAM is a bit lacking. But RAM is cheap. You can easily upgrade it with pocket change.

Assuming Ubisoft does it's job well, then I would estimate similar performance to a PS4.

The main win would really be that on PC you ahve options and on console, you do not.

On the Ps4, you CANNOT play BF4 at 1080p. No matter how much you might want to. But maybe you care more about 1080p than 60 FPS. Maybe you cna live with 50 FPS? Or maybe oyu can live wiht lightly less realistic shadows? IT's entirely up to you. On the PC you COULD have a 1080p/60 FPS experience with that hardware at slightly lower graphical settings, or heck, you might entirley the other way, and play at 30 FPS 1080p, with better grpahics settings. Again, entirely up to YOUR preference.

Ultimatley that is the strength of PC gaming. The options. You have the option to buy cheap and enjoy thousands of top scoring games from years ago up to indies of today. You cna go high end and play games at resolutions and graphics levels that console gamers NEVER get to see. You can balance those two extremes. You cna buy digital or you cna buy retail, you can use a mouse and keyboard or an xbox 360 gamepad, or a wheel, or a Ps3/PS4 gamepad, or a wii-mote, or a kinect! You can play a game at a specific resoltuion and performance, or at a particular graphics level. You can play a deep strategy game with complex mechanics that reward you only after extensive trial and error, or a simple 2D platformer. 

Options are what make PC gaming great.

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[QUOTE="princeofshapeir"] Yet the sales of prebuilt desktops continue to drop while laptops are increasingly becoming the norm. Therefore I have no reason to believe that the majority of people own a prebuilt desktop that is capable of running PS4-quality games if only they had an adequate graphics card. princeofshapeir

Yeah, they continute to fall (the overal global market that is - not the PC gmaing makret. PC gmaing hardware continues to GROW).  Do you know by how much? And do you know how many desktops STILL get moved ina  single quarter?

In case you odn't fele like googling it: It's more in 1 quarter than ALL SALES OF ANY CONSOLE COMBINED FOR THE PAST ENTIRE GENERATION.

So yeah, MOST people in the world do indeed own a desktop.

The PS4 CPU is tablet grade. not garbage for heavily multi-threaded applicaitons - but there are FEW such applicaitons in gaming today, AND it IS garbage for single-threaded applicaitons/workloads.

Any PC CPU form the past 5years will match or beat it.

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[QUOTE="Mazoch"]

The meaning was clear. Faulting him for not explicitly stating that a video card on its own wont play a game is just as foolish as faulting someone to talk about the capacity of the PS4 without explicitly stating that you need a TV or a monitor to be able to play games on it.

Kinthalis

Just to get a working configuration to play PC games you'd need a motherboard, RAM, CPU, hard drive, PSU, and then a video card.

MOST people on the planet already have desktops. MOST people on the planet DO NOT have a PS4. Therefore, for MOST PEOPLE on the planet, a sub $200 GPU will do them right.

Also, please let me know the moment my PS4 can run Photoshop, Premier, Visual Studio 2013, can be used to record my various isntruments, run excel and power point, play my new favorite browser game - CardHunter (seriously, check it out, it's awesome!) and can rip my blu-rays too. I assume it will be able to do that for $399 as well, right?

I HIGHLY doubt even a third of the planet's population has desktops. :lol:

[QUOTE="Mazoch"][QUOTE="princeofshapeir"] You are missing the point. You can't tell me that a GPU alone will do what a $399 PS4 can. When you equate a graphics card alone to a PS4 that's what you're saying: that a graphics card, a raw graphics card with nothing else attached, will deliver the experience of a packaged console.

Just to get a working configuration to play PC games you'd need a motherboard, RAM, CPU, hard drive, PSU, and then a video card.

princeofshapeir

You'd have to ask the person posting the claim in the first place. My point was simply that the menaing of the post was clear. Wether the claim made in the post is accurate is another matter. I dont have a PS4 or a 7850 or a copy of Watchdogs so I dont know how it'll run :P

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[QUOTE="princeofshapeir"] You are missing the point. You can't tell me that a GPU alone will do what a $399 PS4 can. When you equate a graphics card alone to a PS4 that's what you're saying: that a graphics card, a raw graphics card with nothing else attached, will deliver the experience of a packaged console.

Just to get a working configuration to play PC games you'd need a motherboard, RAM, CPU, hard drive, PSU, and then a video card.

iHarlequin

MOST people on the planet already have desktops. MOST people on the planet DO NOT have a PS4. Therefore, for MOST PEOPLE on the planet, a sub $200 GPU will do them right.

Also, please let me know the moment my PS4 can run Photoshop, Premier, Visual Studio 2013, can be used to record my various isntruments, run excel and power point, play my new favorite browser game - CardHunter (seriously, check it out, it's awesome!) and can rip my blu-rays too. I assume it will be able to do that for $399 as well, right?

I HIGHLY doubt even a third of the planet's population has desktops. :lol:

Yeah, you're right, I'm msotly talking about the devloped world. But that doesn't change the ratio of like a billion to 1 in terms of dekstops out there vs consoles out there.

[QUOTE="princeofshapeir"][QUOTE="Kinthalis"]

 

Yeah, they continute to fall (the overal global market that is - not the PC gmaing makret. PC gmaing hardware continues to GROW).  Do you know by how much? And do you know how many desktops STILL get moved ina  single quarter?

 

In case you odn't fele like googling it: It's more in 1 quarter than ALL SALES OF ANY CONSOLE COMBINED FOR THE PAST ENTIRE GENERATION.

 

So yeah, MOST people in the world do indeed own a desktop.

Kinthalis

The PS4 CPU is tablet grade. not garbage for heavily multi-threaded applicaitons - but there are FEW such applicaitons in gaming today, AND it IS garbage for single-threaded applicaitons/workloads.

Any PC CPU form the past 5years will match or beat it.

Even with heavily threaded games, single core performance is still very important as the main thread will still do a considerable amount of the work, while more extraneous elements will be delegated to the other threads. 

Well, I think PC hardware will change, but not because of consoles specifically. 

The general consumer wants more features for less money, and in smaller packages too.

If the consoles didn't exist AMD would still be making APUs, and I think that's where the future is headed even for gaming PCs. Soon we'll get mini-PCs that are gaming-ready for just a few hundred dollars.

Personally would love to see pocket-sized micro-PCs that can "dock" into different monitors, and such. Would love to see a Micro PC that I could dock into the back of a laptop-like device for portablePCing, and when I come home I can remove it and dock it into a big-screen TV for some mediaPCing, and then remove it and dock it into my monitor for some gamingPCing.

Sounds glorious 

[QUOTE="Mazoch"][QUOTE="princeofshapeir"] You are missing the point. You can't tell me that a GPU alone will do what a $399 PS4 can. When you equate a graphics card alone to a PS4 that's what you're saying: that a graphics card, a raw graphics card with nothing else attached, will deliver the experience of a packaged console.

Just to get a working configuration to play PC games you'd need a motherboard, RAM, CPU, hard drive, PSU, and then a video card.

princeofshapeir

[QUOTE="princeofshapeir"][QUOTE="Mazoch"] I'm not missing the point at all. You also cant tell me that a PS4 would outperform a PS3 without a TV, yet the meaning is clear if people talks about the PS4 having better graphics than the PS3. Given the post and the context of the thread the meaning was clear. Just to get a working PS4 you need a working wall socket, an HDMI cable, speakers, a TV, a power cable for the TV and working eyes in your head. So talking about playing games on the PS4 would misleading without also mentioning all the other required pieces needed to use a PS4 In other words, his meaning was clear: A PC using a 7850 GPU can out perform a PS4.m3Boarder32

I guess you missed the part when he said similar spec PC never did he say pc twice as strong as the ps4

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Should I expect the next gen consoles to give PC hardware manufacturers inventive to see if they can't make better hardware while keeping a competitive price in mind?

biggles2120

Theorically it's the 7870 the one that is supposedly stronger than the PS4, the 7850 is only supposedly stonger than the X1.

Probably nothing.

[QUOTE="m3Boarder32"][QUOTE="princeofshapeir"] Can I take that to mean any PC using a 7850 can outperform a PS4? So if I have a Core 2 Duo, 2GB of RAM, and a 7850, Watch Dogs will be running better for me than it would have been on a PS4? TheFadeForever

I guess you missed the part when he said similar spec PC never did he say pc twice as strong as the ps4

[QUOTE="m3Boarder32"][QUOTE="biggles2120"] All it takes is a $160.00 video card to surpass what PS4 and X1 can do.Kinthalis

The 7850 is $160 now, so yeah, he's right.

The PS4 has a modified 7870.  Modified meaning some downgrades in pure performance, but it's still stronger than the 7850 and is a compute monster thanks to modifications.

Then you factor in the APU setup and console optimization, it's not even close.

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[QUOTE="m3Boarder32"] Lmao noChozofication

The 7850 is $160 now, so yeah, he's right.

The PS4 has a modified 7870.  Modified meaning some downgrades in pure performance, but it's still stronger than the 7850 and is a compute monster thanks to modifications.

Then you factor in the APU setup and console optimization, it's not even close.