What they don't want you to know about Halo.

I think Halo is a fun balanced MP FPS, Imo the SP is pretty mediocre, I do give it props for the coop aspect. However Halo is treated as God's gift to gaming by 360 fans and in reality it's no better then Cod's, KZ's, Socom's, TF2's, Battlefields etc etc. It really isn't.

Major Problems with Halo.

1. Horrible Level/Map design. Most maps in Halo just plain suck, Bungie really isn't skilled in this department, KZ2 has glorious maps, Cod4 has amazing maps, Halo does not. Most of them suck and the community reflects this when it comes to vetoing, most people dig The Pit, Guardian and Narrows and that's pretty much it.

2. Horrible Guns. Halo's weapons are soooo bad. The BR owns, one of the best guns on consoles for MP FPS, but everything else sucks, and power weapons don't count, they exist to spawn be used and thrown away. Halo has a major problem with having various good weapons that people like to use, many other games do this MUCH better, where people like using many guns which are all balanced. Even the much hated MW2 has tons of guns that people use as their main gun.

3. Locked Out Playlists. They slow and steadily have thrown out payed map packs that have in turned made them lock out playlists that were originally available to Halo 3 owners. Today it's ridiculous the small amount of playlists you can play without having to give in to being nickle and dimed. Create NEW playlists bungie, don't screw over your existing customers...

4. Buggy Netcode. Sometimes it feels like it takes 10 BR shots to the face to kill someone, and sometimes you feel like you got 1 shoted by the BR online... Even with full green bars...

5. Drop Outs and an Awful Community. Someone drops fomr your match and your screwed, noone will replace them, you simply screwed. Not sure if it's worse losing a player or being stuck with a pre tween MLG screaching pro...

I think Halo is a fun balanced MP FPS, Imo the SP is pretty mediocre, I do give it props for the coop aspect. However Halo is treated as God's gift to gaming by 360 fans and in reality it's no better then Cod's, KZ's, Socom's, TF2's, Battlefields etc etc. It really isn't.

Major Problems with Halo.

1. Horrible Level/Map design. Most maps in Halo just plain suck, Bungie really isn't skilled in this department, KZ2 has glorious maps, Cod4 has amazing maps, Halo does not. Most of them suck and the community reflects this when it comes to vetoing, most people dig The Pit, Guardian and Narrows and that's pretty much it.

2. Horrible Guns. Halo's weapons are soooo bad. The BR owns, one of the best guns on consoles for MP FPS, but everything else sucks, and power weapons don't count, they exist to spawn be used and thrown away. Halo has a major problem with having various good weapons that people like to use, many other games do this MUCH better, where people like using many guns which are all balanced. Even the much hated MW2 has tons of guns that people use as their main gun.

3. Locked Out Playlists. They slow and steadily have thrown out payed map packs that have in turned made them lock out playlists that were originally available to Halo 3 owners. Today it's ridiculous the small amount of playlists you can play without having to give in to being nickle and dimed. Create NEW playlists bungie, don't screw over your existing customers...

4. Buggy Netcode. Sometimes it feels like it takes 10 BR shots to the face to kill someone, and sometimes you feel like you got 1 shoted by the BR online... Even with full green bars...

5. Drop Outs and an Awful Community. Someone drops fomr your match and your screwed, noone will replace them, you simply screwed. Not sure if it's worse losing a player or being stuck with a pre tween MLG screaching pro...

NubTub_of_Win

and it will be better than any game on the PS3 or the 360 for that matter. The hate train only steams on when Halo comes out, so keep on

I made this thread exactly because of people like you who think Halo is above any of these other shooters when in reality it's not, not even by a little bit.

Wait what?

I made this thread exactly because of people like you who think Halo is above any of these other shooters when in reality it's not, not even by a little bit.

NubTub_of_Win

You really should not be throwing around words you clearly have no comprehesion of.

And most of your post is just your opinion, so stop misrepresenting that as fact.

#3 and #5 are your only legitimite points.

I think Halo is a fun balanced MP FPS, Imo the SP is pretty mediocre, I do give it props for the coop aspect. However Halo is treated as God's gift to gaming by 360 fans and in reality it's no better then Cod's, KZ's, Socom's, TF2's, Battlefields etc etc. It really isn't.

Major Problems with Halo.

1. Horrible Level/Map design. Most maps in Halo just plain suck, Bungie really isn't skilled in this department, KZ2 has glorious maps, Cod4 has amazing maps, Halo does not. Most of them suck and the community reflects this when it comes to vetoing, most people dig The Pit, Guardian and Narrows and that's pretty much it.

2. Horrible Guns. Halo's weapons are soooo bad. The BR owns, one of the best guns on consoles for MP FPS, but everything else sucks, and power weapons don't count, they exist to spawn be used and thrown away. Halo has a major problem with having various good weapons that people like to use, many other games do this MUCH better, where people like using many guns which are all balanced. Even the much hated MW2 has tons of guns that people use as their main gun.

3. Locked Out Playlists. They slow and steadily have thrown out payed map packs that have in turned made them lock out playlists that were originally available to Halo 3 owners. Today it's ridiculous the small amount of playlists you can play without having to give in to being nickle and dimed. Create NEW playlists bungie, don't screw over your existing customers...

4. Buggy Netcode. Sometimes it feels like it takes 10 BR shots to the face to kill someone, and sometimes you feel like you got 1 shoted by the BR online... Even with full green bars...

5. Drop Outs and an Awful Community. Someone drops fomr your match and your screwed, noone will replace them, you simply screwed. Not sure if it's worse losing a player or being stuck with a pre tween MLG screaching pro...

NubTub_of_Win

1. Most shooters have only 2 or 3 really incredible maps anyway, with the rest being only serviceable. The only exception to the rule that I can think of is Halo 2.

2. Most of Halo's guns are balanced. Most people with the BR get hammered up close by the AR or the PR+Spiker. Unlike some, I think that the carbine was a pretty good weapon to still use at mid-range, and can beat out the BR with some skill. Long-Range the sniper and laser take it out easy.

3. Bungie removed DLC restrictions from most playlists ages ago.

4. Get a better connection, Halo 3's netcode is good.

5. And drop-in matchmaking isn't any better. I don't want to join a game, to find out that it is 40-10.

[QUOTE="tagyhag"]1. Subjective 2. Subjective 3. Custom playlists 4. Every game has lag problems, blame your connection and the hosts connection. (It's not something like Gears of War 2) 5. SubjectiveNubTub_of_Win

Yeah......

No.

It's basically all your opinion..

Also, can you give me your gamertag, please?

I made this thread exactly because of people like you who think Halo is above any of these other shooters when in reality it's not, not even by a little bit.

NubTub_of_Win

Dude, Halo is the best game ever made, EVER MADE. Your arguments mean nothing now that I've stated that.siLVURcross

I'm sure that you don't mean that really.

[QUOTE="NubTub_of_Win"]

I made this thread exactly because of people like you who think Halo is above any of these other shooters when in reality it's not, not even by a little bit.

Ravensmash

[QUOTE="siLVURcross"]Dude, Halo is the best game ever made, EVER MADE. Your arguments mean nothing now that I've stated that.siddhu33

I'm sure that you don't mean that really.

[QUOTE="Ravensmash"][QUOTE="NubTub_of_Win"]

I made this thread exactly because of people like you who think Halo is above any of these other shooters when in reality it's not, not even by a little bit.

NubTub_of_Win

Stop playing victim. Every game has fanboys.

[QUOTE="siLVURcross"]Dude, Halo is the best game ever made, EVER MADE. Your arguments mean nothing now that I've stated that.siddhu33

I'm sure that you don't mean that really.

[QUOTE="NubTub_of_Win"]

I think Halo is a fun balanced MP FPS, Imo the SP is pretty mediocre, I do give it props for the coop aspect. However Halo is treated as God's gift to gaming by 360 fans and in reality it's no better then Cod's, KZ's, Socom's, TF2's, Battlefields etc etc. It really isn't.

Major Problems with Halo.

1. Horrible Level/Map design. Most maps in Halo just plain suck, Bungie really isn't skilled in this department, KZ2 has glorious maps, Cod4 has amazing maps, Halo does not. Most of them suck and the community reflects this when it comes to vetoing, most people dig The Pit, Guardian and Narrows and that's pretty much it.

2. Horrible Guns. Halo's weapons are soooo bad. The BR owns, one of the best guns on consoles for MP FPS, but everything else sucks, and power weapons don't count, they exist to spawn be used and thrown away. Halo has a major problem with having various good weapons that people like to use, many other games do this MUCH better, where people like using many guns which are all balanced. Even the much hated MW2 has tons of guns that people use as their main gun.

3. Locked Out Playlists. They slow and steadily have thrown out payed map packs that have in turned made them lock out playlists that were originally available to Halo 3 owners. Today it's ridiculous the small amount of playlists you can play without having to give in to being nickle and dimed. Create NEW playlists bungie, don't screw over your existing customers...

4. Buggy Netcode. Sometimes it feels like it takes 10 BR shots to the face to kill someone, and sometimes you feel like you got 1 shoted by the BR online... Even with full green bars...

5. Drop Outs and an Awful Community. Someone drops fomr your match and your screwed, noone will replace them, you simply screwed. Not sure if it's worse losing a player or being stuck with a pre tween MLG screaching pro...

siddhu33

3. Bungie removed DLC restrictions from most playlists ages ago.

Don't know what else to say but "I disagree." Two of the three maps you listed (Guardian and Narrows) I actually veto. I don't like those, but I really like many of the others. As for guns, I really enjoy almost all of them. In matchmaking I mostly use the BR and sometimes a power weapon but in custom games I use all sorts of weapons and they're all a blast. I don't get the problems you do with the battle rifle, so I don't know what to say about that. Drop outs are bad but Bungie is making the punishment stricter for Reach. As for the little kids, I fail to see how it's the game's fault. Bungie isn't going to ban people from their servers because they have a squeaky voice. Personally, I love the Halo community. They've made a bunch of great custom maps that I've spent countless hours playing.

I like Halo more than all the games you listed (besides Team Fortress 2) because of the simple fact that there's more fun to be had.

[QUOTE="NubTub_of_Win"][QUOTE="Ravensmash"] Why are you right? And why is he wrong?siddhu33

Um..

He didn't say that at all.

He just said to keep hating, and that's what you are doing.

Stop playing victim. Every game has fanboys.

[QUOTE="Ravensmash"][QUOTE="NubTub_of_Win"]

I made this thread exactly because of people like you who think Halo is above any of these other shooters when in reality it's not, not even by a little bit.

NubTub_of_Win

[QUOTE="Ravensmash"][QUOTE="NubTub_of_Win"]

I made this thread exactly because of people like you who think Halo is above any of these other shooters when in reality it's not, not even by a little bit.

NubTub_of_Win

[QUOTE="siddhu33"]

[QUOTE="NubTub_of_Win"]Cause I'm a gamer and I'll play and enjoy all these shooters and recognize flaws and strenghts in all of them and hes a Halo fanboys who think sall those other games suck and Halo is God. Basicaly comon sense.NubTub_of_Win

Um..

He didn't say that at all.

He just said to keep hating, and that's what you are doing.

Stop playing victim. Every game has fanboys.

Umm, not really...

The difference between Halo 3 and MW2, is that Halo 3 is actually Balanced, and there is not anything that can ruin balance totally. In MW2, the Killstreaks result in people getting spawn-killed 20 times by air-support, and then killed by a nuke.

[QUOTE="siddhu33"]

[QUOTE="NubTub_of_Win"]Cause I'm a gamer and I'll play and enjoy all these shooters and recognize flaws and strenghts in all of them and hes a Halo fanboys who think sall those other games suck and Halo is God. Basicaly comon sense.NubTub_of_Win

Um..

He didn't say that at all.

He just said to keep hating, and that's what you are doing.

Stop playing victim. Every game has fanboys.

And therin lies the major flaw in your argument. Your case points being soley your own opinion does NOT make them legit. Not even close. Stop speaking as though you're the official representative of All Gamers. You're only making yourself look foolish.

Reach must be getting fanboys riled up.

Good....

I think Halo is a fun balanced MP FPS, Imo the SP is pretty mediocre, I do give it props for the coop aspect. However Halo is treated as God's gift to gaming by 360 fans and in reality it's no better then Cod's, KZ's, Socom's, TF2's, Battlefields etc etc. It really isn't.

Major Problems with Halo.

1. Horrible Level/Map design. Most maps in Halo just plain suck, Bungie really isn't skilled in this department, KZ2 has glorious maps, Cod4 has amazing maps, Halo does not. Most of them suck and the community reflects this when it comes to vetoing, most people dig The Pit, Guardian and Narrows and that's pretty much it.

2. Horrible Guns. Halo's weapons are soooo bad. The BR owns, one of the best guns on consoles for MP FPS, but everything else sucks, and power weapons don't count, they exist to spawn be used and thrown away. Halo has a major problem with having various good weapons that people like to use, many other games do this MUCH better, where people like using many guns which are all balanced. Even the much hated MW2 has tons of guns that people use as their main gun.

3. Locked Out Playlists. They slow and steadily have thrown out payed map packs that have in turned made them lock out playlists that were originally available to Halo 3 owners. Today it's ridiculous the small amount of playlists you can play without having to give in to being nickle and dimed. Create NEW playlists bungie, don't screw over your existing customers...

4. Buggy Netcode. Sometimes it feels like it takes 10 BR shots to the face to kill someone, and sometimes you feel like you got 1 shoted by the BR online... Even with full green bars...

5. Drop Outs and an Awful Community. Someone drops fomr your match and your screwed, noone will replace them, you simply screwed. Not sure if it's worse losing a player or being stuck with a pre tween MLG screaching pro...

NubTub_of_Win

I know it´s cool to hate on Halo games campaign but in fact they are pretty good, especially when played with friends.

[QUOTE="NubTub_of_Win"][QUOTE="siddhu33"]

Um..

He didn't say that at all.

He just said to keep hating, and that's what you are doing.

Stop playing victim. Every game has fanboys.

AdobeArtist

And therin lies the major flaw in your argument. Your case points being soley your own opinion does NOT make them legit. Not even close. Stop speaking as though you're the official representative of All Gamers. You're only making yourself look foolish.

Reach must be getting fanboys riled up.

Good....

siddhu33

1. Horrible Level/Map design. Most maps in Halo just plain suck, Bungie really isn't skilled in this department, KZ2 has glorious maps, Cod4 has amazing maps,

Dont.... Be.... Ridiculous. Halo has some of the best maps in shooters period. Consoles or not.

2. Horrible Guns. Halo's weapons are soooo bad. The BR owns, one of the best guns on consoles for MP FPS, but everything else sucks, and power weapons don't count, they exist to spawn be used and thrown away. Halo has a major problem with having various good weapons that people like to use, many other games do this MUCH better, where people like using many guns which are all balanced. Even the much hated MW2 has tons of guns that people use as their main gun.

Halos guns are awesome... They are all fun to use and sure the BR might be a bit OP, but there are other guns that are alot more usefull in different situations. Its not like the BR is always the best gun to use all the time

3. Locked Out Playlists. They slow and steadily have thrown out payed map packs that have in turned made them lock out playlists that were originally available to Halo 3 owners. Today it's ridiculous the small amount of playlists you can play without having to give in to being nickle and dimed. Create NEW playlists bungie, don't screw over your existing customers...

Yeah I hate this actually... WTF bungie rocket race was my favorite gametype and then you just got rid of it I dont understand...

4. Buggy Netcode. Sometimes it feels like it takes 10 BR shots to the face to kill someone, and sometimes you feel like you got 1 shoted by the BR online... Even with full green bars...

Key word. Headshot.

5. Drop Outs and an Awful Community. Someone drops fomr your match and your screwed, noone will replace them, you simply screwed. Not sure if it's worse losing a player or being stuck with a pre tween MLG screaching pro...

True... almost every game atleast someone drops out and somepoint and completely screws over one team. They should make you able to join a game in progress

NubTub_of_Win

[QUOTE="siddhu33"]

Reach must be getting fanboys riled up.

Good....

NubTub_of_Win

I don't know...

I played a good 800 games of Halo 3, and your points don't add up to my experience, or to others who have posted here.

[QUOTE="NubTub_of_Win"][QUOTE="siddhu33"]

Um..

He didn't say that at all.

He just said to keep hating, and that's what you are doing.

Stop playing victim. Every game has fanboys.

siddhu33

Umm, not really...

The difference between Halo 3 and MW2, is that Halo 3 is actually Balanced, and there is not anything that can ruin balance totally. In MW2, the Killstreaks result in people getting spawn-killed 20 times by air-support, and then killed by a nuke.

I'll give you 3 and 5. The weapons aren't horrible, but the BR is a bit over used. This should be rectified by the DMR being a bit pants close range in Reach though, so it's all good.

As for netcode it's by far the smoothest/most stable shooter I've played on a console. If I'm lagging, it's because of my connection.

[QUOTE="siddhu33"]

[QUOTE="NubTub_of_Win"] It isn't hating when the arguements are legit. It's hating when it's nitpicking, these are all just as valid as saying MW2 has crappy maps, Killstreaks are OP and annoying etc... These are valid complaints...NubTub_of_Win

Umm, not really...

The difference between Halo 3 and MW2, is that Halo 3 is actually Balanced, and there is not anything that can ruin balance totally. In MW2, the Killstreaks result in people getting spawn-killed 20 times by air-support, and then killed by a nuke.

[QUOTE="siddhu33"]

[QUOTE="NubTub_of_Win"] It isn't hating when the arguements are legit. It's hating when it's nitpicking, these are all just as valid as saying MW2 has crappy maps, Killstreaks are OP and annoying etc... These are valid complaints...NubTub_of_Win

Umm, not really...

The difference between Halo 3 and MW2, is that Halo 3 is actually Balanced, and there is not anything that can ruin balance totally. In MW2, the Killstreaks result in people getting spawn-killed 20 times by air-support, and then killed by a nuke.

Sprint was not needed in H3, you move fast enough anyway.

Double Jump, Wtf?

Prone would kill the game.

If you played enough H3, you would know that crouch makes you invincible to radar.

I have already argued this point. (about only one gun in the game)

There are special abillities, they are called Camo and Overshield, and you have to get them.

[QUOTE="AdobeArtist"]

[QUOTE="NubTub_of_Win"] It isn't hating when the arguements are legit. It's hating when it's nitpicking, these are all just as valid as saying MW2 has crappy maps, Killstreaks are OP and annoying etc... These are valid complaints...NubTub_of_Win

And therin lies the major flaw in your argument. Your case points being soley your own opinion does NOT make them legit. Not even close. Stop speaking as though you're the official representative of All Gamers. You're only making yourself look foolish.

No, those are things fabricated by haters like you, and nowhere near representative of the gaming community at large. Here you are trying to misrepresent your case, and all you're really doing is showing how much of a hater you really are. You can keep saying "this is all fact" as much as you like, but in the end you have proven nothing and only demonstrated your bias.

[QUOTE="NubTub_of_Win"][QUOTE="siddhu33"]

Umm, not really...

The difference between Halo 3 and MW2, is that Halo 3 is actually Balanced, and there is not anything that can ruin balance totally. In MW2, the Killstreaks result in people getting spawn-killed 20 times by air-support, and then killed by a nuke.

Ravensmash

[QUOTE="Ravensmash"][QUOTE="NubTub_of_Win"]Wanna know why it's balanced? Because it BAREBONES! THe game is really simple, no sprint, no double jump or dodge, no prone, crouch is practically pointless and you really only use 1 gun in the game... No classes or special abilities... THat's why it's balanced... It's not hard to balance a game that's like that, it's hard to balance a game when it has TONS of weapons and abilities and classes etc...NubTub_of_Win

Like I said before, could I have your gamertag?

[QUOTE="NubTub_of_Win"]

I think Halo is a fun balanced MP FPS, Imo the SP is pretty mediocre, I do give it props for the coop aspect. However Halo is treated as God's gift to gaming by 360 fans and in reality it's no better then Cod's, KZ's, Socom's, TF2's, Battlefields etc etc. It really isn't.

Major Problems with Halo.

1. Horrible Level/Map design. Most maps in Halo just plain suck, Bungie really isn't skilled in this department, KZ2 has glorious maps, Cod4 has amazing maps, Halo does not. Most of them suck and the community reflects this when it comes to vetoing, most people dig The Pit, Guardian and Narrows and that's pretty much it.

2. Horrible Guns. Halo's weapons are soooo bad. The BR owns, one of the best guns on consoles for MP FPS, but everything else sucks, and power weapons don't count, they exist to spawn be used and thrown away. Halo has a major problem with having various good weapons that people like to use, many other games do this MUCH better, where people like using many guns which are all balanced. Even the much hated MW2 has tons of guns that people use as their main gun.

3. Locked Out Playlists. They slow and steadily have thrown out payed map packs that have in turned made them lock out playlists that were originally available to Halo 3 owners. Today it's ridiculous the small amount of playlists you can play without having to give in to being nickle and dimed. Create NEW playlists bungie, don't screw over your existing customers...

4. Buggy Netcode. Sometimes it feels like it takes 10 BR shots to the face to kill someone, and sometimes you feel like you got 1 shoted by the BR online... Even with full green bars...

5. Drop Outs and an Awful Community. Someone drops fomr your match and your screwed, noone will replace them, you simply screwed. Not sure if it's worse losing a player or being stuck with a pre tween MLG screaching pro...

ProjectNatalFan

and it will be better than any game on the PS3 or the 360 for that matter. The hate train only steams on when Halo comes out, so keep on