What Was The Reason For Psp To Be Dead Outside Of Japan Again?

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#1 Rahnyc4
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People are going to argue and say the psp isn't dead outside of japan, that its selling. Well look at it like this. The 3ds at some point is thought of as being a failure (by the none gaming media) in the months it was released and after, and it was still outselling the psp which already has established a large verity of games.

I was thinking that it couldn't be software, because japanese games are being released outside of japan on the psp till this day. My question is why is the psp dead outside of japan? i mean its a decent handheld, but something prevented it from reaching higher levels of success. For retrospect, the old school outdated nintendo ds still actually sells pretty well. With the price drop of the 3ds, it looks as if its going to replace the dying original Ds models.

Anyway, how is vita going to fix the lack of intrest of the psp in the west? I mean surly the name change and the extra analog isn't going to fix the problems the psp had (what ever that may be)

Vita seems to not have any system sellers on the system, that will cause people to run out and buy one. i assume the hardware may be the selling points of the unit.

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#2 jadjei
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Piracy.

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Piracy was the main issue. The 2nd was its slow start for the first 2-3 years. Hardware wise the PSP isn't dead software sales are where the PSP failed outside of Japan. As someone who owns 300+ PSP games, I can confidently say it had the 2nd best handheld line-up ever after the DS. It also has some of the best JRPGs ever made.

For the Vita, Sony has to get Piracy under control as much as possible and support it much more then just having some non internal studios doing spin-offs to their main IPs. Japan will already be onboard with the Vita as they were with the PSP. In the West the Vita has a better chance because it will have some good Western developed games such as Bioshock.

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Piracy was the main issue. The 2nd was its slow start for the first 2-3 years. Hardware wise the PSP isn't dead software sales are where the PSP failed outside of Japan. As someone who owns 300+ PSP games, I can confidently say it had the 2nd best handheld line-up ever after the DS. It also has some of the best JRPGs ever made.

For the Vita, Sony has to get Piracy under control as much as possible and support it much more then just having some non internal studios doing spin-offs to their main IPs. Japan will already be onboard with the Vita as they were with the PSP. In the West the Vita has a better chance because it will have some good Western developed games such as Bioshock.

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300+ games? How can you even play that much?! Also, which 'best JRPGs' are you talking about?
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Piracy.

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i hear that argument, but wouldnt that increase the sales of the psp? knowing one can get away with doing that. i mean piracy clearly didn't hurt the ds sales..
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[QUOTE="jadjei"]

Piracy.

Rahnyc4

i hear that argument, but wouldnt that increase the sales of the psp? knowing one can get away with doing that. i mean piracy clearly didn't hurt the ds sales..

Piracy on the PSP was much more rampant on the DS. And it was the main reason why many 3rd party devs decided to not develop games for the PSP. And the PSP was already known for not having games other than console ports, so seeing more devs shy away from the PSP due to piracy didnt help its cause.

Dissidia Final Fantasy sold a bit over 2 million. Great sales right? But it was pirated over 5 million times. Shows you how easy it is to hack a PSP.

And imo, the UMD format was terrible. I don't understand how someone could like those things in a portable system. They're loud and just annoying. Main reason why I went all digital for the PSP. Glad to see the Vita using cartriges.

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#7 jadjei
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[QUOTE="jadjei"]

Piracy.

Rahnyc4

i hear that argument, but wouldnt that increase the sales of the psp? knowing one can get away with doing that. i mean piracy clearly didn't hurt the ds sales..

Piracy scared away some of the western devs, they wouldn't release some software because it probably wouldn't sell well due piracy. Idk about the DS piracy but didn't it start later on in the DS life? (Like 2007-08?)

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[QUOTE="TheLordHimself"][QUOTE="FlamesOfGrey"]

Piracy was the main issue. The 2nd was its slow start for the first 2-3 years. Hardware wise the PSP isn't dead software sales are where the PSP failed outside of Japan. As someone who owns 300+ PSP games, I can confidently say it had the 2nd best handheld line-up ever after the DS. It also has some of the best JRPGs ever made.

For the Vita, Sony has to get Piracy under control as much as possible and support it much more then just having some non internal studios doing spin-offs to their main IPs. Japan will already be onboard with the Vita as they were with the PSP. In the West the Vita has a better chance because it will have some good Western developed games such as Bioshock.

300+ games? How can you even play that much?! Also, which 'best JRPGs' are you talking about?

I'm a video game collector as well as player. It helps to know that I am a import gamer as well: JRPGs: Crisis Core: Final Fantasy VII Eiyuu Densetsu Sora No Kiseki Trilogy Eiyuu Densetsu Zero No Kiseki Half Minute Hero I & II (II is Japan Only ATM) Princess Crown Tactics Ogre Valkryia Chronicles II & III Ys I, II, III VI & VII To name a few. Some are ports / remakes but it doesn't change my statement. 2011 Releases: 7th Dragon 2020 Eiyuu Densetsu Ao No Kiseki Final Fantasy Type-0 Senritsu No Stratus All those games look great as well.
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Vita has no system seller? Guess it depends on what you like oO Some of my fav. franchises are launch titles or close to launch like Disgaea 3, Katamari (iirc), Uncharted and dynasty warriors oO

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[QUOTE="TheLordHimself"][QUOTE="FlamesOfGrey"]

Piracy was the main issue. The 2nd was its slow start for the first 2-3 years. Hardware wise the PSP isn't dead software sales are where the PSP failed outside of Japan. As someone who owns 300+ PSP games, I can confidently say it had the 2nd best handheld line-up ever after the DS. It also has some of the best JRPGs ever made.

For the Vita, Sony has to get Piracy under control as much as possible and support it much more then just having some non internal studios doing spin-offs to their main IPs. Japan will already be onboard with the Vita as they were with the PSP. In the West the Vita has a better chance because it will have some good Western developed games such as Bioshock.

FlamesOfGrey

300+ games? How can you even play that much?! Also, which 'best JRPGs' are you talking about?

I'm a video game collector as well as player. It helps to know that I am a import gamer as well: JRPGs: Crisis Core: Final Fantasy VII Eiyuu Densetsu Sora No Kiseki Trilogy Eiyuu Densetsu Zero No Kiseki Half Minute Hero I & II (II is Japan Only ATM) Princess Crown Tactics Ogre Valkryia Chronicles II & III Ys I, II, III VI & VII To name a few. Some are ports / remakes but it doesn't change my statement. 2011 Releases: 7th Dragon 2020 Eiyuu Densetsu Ao No Kiseki Final Fantasy Type-0 Senritsu No Stratus All those games look great as well.

We need a Zero no Kiseki localization badly :(

And Type-0 is my most anticipated JRPG. :)

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[QUOTE="FlamesOfGrey"][QUOTE="TheLordHimself"] 300+ games? How can you even play that much?! Also, which 'best JRPGs' are you talking about? nitekids2004

I'm a video game collector as well as player. It helps to know that I am a import gamer as well: JRPGs: Crisis Core: Final Fantasy VII Eiyuu Densetsu Sora No Kiseki Trilogy Eiyuu Densetsu Zero No Kiseki Half Minute Hero I & II (II is Japan Only ATM) Princess Crown Tactics Ogre Valkryia Chronicles II & III Ys I, II, III VI & VII To name a few. Some are ports / remakes but it doesn't change my statement. 2011 Releases: 7th Dragon 2020 Eiyuu Densetsu Ao No Kiseki Final Fantasy Type-0 Senritsu No Stratus All those games look great as well.

We need a Zero no Kiseki localization badly :(

And Type-0 is my most anticipated JRPG. :)

Xseed is working on the Sora No Kiseki Trilogy however, 2nd Chapter won't be done until at early 2012 and then there's 3rd Chapter. I don't see Trails Of Blue (Zero & Ao No Kiseki) coming ot the U.S. unless they do PSN only releases and that would be mid-late 2013 at the earliest.
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Piracy. The Vita is doing nothing to curb this so far. Nintendo apparently has stopped all piracy on the 3DS for 3DS software. If the Vita can't do the same, which platform do you think devs will prefer in 2013/2014? The PSP has sold 2-5 million units the last few years in EU and NA. That's bad. That's lke 1/2 of the PS3/360, that's like 1/3 or 1/4 the DS and Wii in some years.
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Piracy. The Vita is doing nothing to curb this so far. Nintendo apparently has stopped all piracy on the 3DS for 3DS software. If the Vita can't do the same, which platform do you think devs will prefer in 2013/2014? The PSP has sold 2-5 million units the last few years in EU and NA. That's bad. That's lke 1/2 of the PS3/360, that's like 1/3 or 1/4 the DS and Wii in some years. darth-pyschosis
From what I hear the 3DS is already hacked. I'm not sure if that's true but the DS was easier to hack then the PSP.
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Vita has no system seller? Guess it depends on what you like oO Some of my fav. franchises are launch titles or close to launch like Disgaea 3, Katamari (iirc), Uncharted and dynasty warriors oO

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Ok, that's great it sold it to you. But none of those push units in large numbers to everybody. That's the facts. All good titles, but not near the level of Dragon Quest, Monster Hunter, Mario, Zelda, Pokemon, Brain Age, Mario Kart, etc. Dynasty Warriors? A system seller? Lol.
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[QUOTE="darth-pyschosis"]Piracy. The Vita is doing nothing to curb this so far. Nintendo apparently has stopped all piracy on the 3DS for 3DS software. If the Vita can't do the same, which platform do you think devs will prefer in 2013/2014? The PSP has sold 2-5 million units the last few years in EU and NA. That's bad. That's lke 1/2 of the PS3/360, that's like 1/3 or 1/4 the DS and Wii in some years. FlamesOfGrey
From what I hear the 3DS is already hacked. I'm not sure if that's true but the DS was easier to hack then the PSP.

From what you hear? Link to a story from a respectable site reporting on it, the 3DS can be hacked to pirate non-3DS software, but 3DS software hasn't been hacked yet to my knowledge. There is a huge difference.
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People are going to argue and say the psp isn't dead outside of japan, that its selling. Well look at it like this. The 3ds at some point is thought of as being a failure (by the none gaming media) in the months it was released and after, and it was still outselling the psp which already has established a large verity of games.

I was thinking that it couldn't be software, because japanese games are being released outside of japan on the psp till this day. My question is why is the psp dead outside of japan? i mean its a decent handheld, but something prevented it from reaching higher levels of success. For retrospect, the old school outdated nintendo ds still actually sells pretty well. With the price drop of the 3ds, it looks as if its going to replace the dying original Ds models.

Anyway, how is vita going to fix the lack of intrest of the psp in the west? I mean surly the name change and the extra analog isn't going to fix the problems the psp had (what ever that may be)

Vita seems to not have any system sellers on the system, that will cause people to run out and buy one. i assume the hardware may be the selling points of the unit.

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The hardware is never a good selling point. People didn't buy the 360 for just HD gaming, they bought it for Gears, Halo, Mass Effect in the early years. And COD.
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[QUOTE="FlamesOfGrey"][QUOTE="darth-pyschosis"]Piracy. The Vita is doing nothing to curb this so far. Nintendo apparently has stopped all piracy on the 3DS for 3DS software. If the Vita can't do the same, which platform do you think devs will prefer in 2013/2014? The PSP has sold 2-5 million units the last few years in EU and NA. That's bad. That's lke 1/2 of the PS3/360, that's like 1/3 or 1/4 the DS and Wii in some years. darth-pyschosis
From what I hear the 3DS is already hacked. I'm not sure if that's true but the DS was easier to hack then the PSP.

From what you hear? Link to a story from a respectable site reporting on it, the 3DS can be hacked to pirate non-3DS software, but 3DS software hasn't been hacked yet to my knowledge. There is a huge difference.

I haven't seen any big new stories on it and I don't follow game news reporting sites at all. I just remember seeing a thread about pirating 3DS games on a forum I was on. That's why I'm said I'm not sure if it was true. I expect them both to get hacked before long. Nintendo aren't stopping hackers and neither are Sony.
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Handhelds are more popular than consoles in Japan... and consoles are more popular than handhelds in the U.S. and E.U.

I personally don't know anyone that still owns (or plays) a PSP anymore... while I still know a few of my cousins (who are under 10 years old) who still play with their DS's. However, the vast majority of the people I know owns a 360 or a PS3. It's probably because of the games found only on the consoles, the console's multiplayer experiences or the simple fact that the way console games are marketed vs handheld games. Or it may be because the IPhone stole a lot of the handheld gaming market? Why bring two devices around when you can have fun playing games on your phone?

This is all just speculation on my part, more research can be done about this, but it might take too much time.

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[QUOTE="darth-pyschosis"][QUOTE="FlamesOfGrey"] From what I hear the 3DS is already hacked. I'm not sure if that's true but the DS was easier to hack then the PSP.FlamesOfGrey
From what you hear? Link to a story from a respectable site reporting on it, the 3DS can be hacked to pirate non-3DS software, but 3DS software hasn't been hacked yet to my knowledge. There is a huge difference.

I haven't seen any big new stories on it and I don't follow game news reporting sites at all. I just remember seeing a thread about pirating 3DS games on a forum I was on. That's why I'm said I'm not sure if it was true. I expect them both to get hacked before long. Nintendo aren't stopping hackers and neither are Sony.

Well I'm telling you, its nearly 6 months after launch and there is still no pirated 3DS software. the 3DS can be hacked to do other illegal things, but so far, thankfully no one has really got pirated 3DS software, which is the most important
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[QUOTE="FlamesOfGrey"][QUOTE="darth-pyschosis"] From what you hear? Link to a story from a respectable site reporting on it, the 3DS can be hacked to pirate non-3DS software, but 3DS software hasn't been hacked yet to my knowledge. There is a huge difference. darth-pyschosis
I haven't seen any big new stories on it and I don't follow game news reporting sites at all. I just remember seeing a thread about pirating 3DS games on a forum I was on. That's why I'm said I'm not sure if it was true. I expect them both to get hacked before long. Nintendo aren't stopping hackers and neither are Sony.

Well I'm telling you, its nearly 6 months after launch and there is still no pirated 3DS software. the 3DS can be hacked to do other illegal things, but so far, thankfully no one has really got pirated 3DS software, which is the most important

Well in a perfect world neither the 3DS or Vita would have pirated software but I'm not sold on it never happening for either system. At this point though there aren't any games worth pirating on the 3DS anyway in my opinion. The future will be interesting to see what happens especially with the Vita.
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[QUOTE="FlamesOfGrey"][QUOTE="TheLordHimself"][QUOTE="FlamesOfGrey"]

Piracy was the main issue. The 2nd was its slow start for the first 2-3 years. Hardware wise the PSP isn't dead software sales are where the PSP failed outside of Japan. As someone who owns 300+ PSP games, I can confidently say it had the 2nd best handheld line-up ever after the DS. It also has some of the best JRPGs ever made.

For the Vita, Sony has to get Piracy under control as much as possible and support it much more then just having some non internal studios doing spin-offs to their main IPs. Japan will already be onboard with the Vita as they were with the PSP. In the West the Vita has a better chance because it will have some good Western developed games such as Bioshock.

300+ games? How can you even play that much?! Also, which 'best JRPGs' are you talking about?

I'm a video game collector as well as player. It helps to know that I am a import gamer as well: JRPGs: Crisis Core: Final Fantasy VII Eiyuu Densetsu Sora No Kiseki Trilogy Eiyuu Densetsu Zero No Kiseki Half Minute Hero I & II (II is Japan Only ATM) Princess Crown Tactics Ogre Valkryia Chronicles II & III Ys I, II, III VI & VII To name a few. Some are ports / remakes but it doesn't change my statement. 2011 Releases: 7th Dragon 2020 Eiyuu Densetsu Ao No Kiseki Final Fantasy Type-0 Senritsu No Stratus All those games look great as well.

Yes! Finally someone puts together a list of excellent PSP JRPGs. Well done, my friend, a high five goes out to you. P.S. SE had better localize Type-0, or I'll be learning Japanese before long.
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The fact that Square-Enix had reservations about releasing a Final Fantasy game on the platform speaks volumes about the piracy level. Hardware sales for the PSP aren't bad at all in the west, but the system seems to appeal specifically to those most likely to want to use CFW and to refrain from paying for games.

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The fact that Square-Enix had reservations about releasing a Final Fantasy game on the platform speaks volumes about the piracy level. Hardware sales for the PSP aren't bad at all in the west, but the system seems to appeal specifically to those most likely to want to use CFW and to refrain from paying for games.

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I've asked you before, maybe I missed it. How do you think (and it's your opinion, there is nothing wrong with that I'm just really curious to see your spin on things) that 3-5 million units per year in the west isn't bad? The PSP has clearly been the underperforming console among all consoles sales-wise in the west for years now. I mean, like I've said before, that's 1/2 the 360 and PS3 in most years, and that's 1/3 to 1/5 the Wii and DS in some years. 22 Million PSPs in NA in what, about 6 solid years? and 30 million in Europe. That's about 3-4 million a year in NA, and about 5 million a year in Europe. That's doubled by the DS, and was caught up to or passed by the 360/PS3 in a shorter period of time as well.
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I was gonna say Piracy as well.

virtually everyone i knew who had a PSP was not buying software for it. and if it got busted because of an update they'd run out buy a new or used one and hack it again. hardware would sell, but the software didn't because no one was buying it.

Not to mention you could play games that couldn't be played on PSP like SNES games.

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The fact that Square-Enix had reservations about releasing a Final Fantasy game on the platform speaks volumes about the piracy level. Hardware sales for the PSP aren't bad at all in the west, but the system seems to appeal specifically to those most likely to want to use CFW and to refrain from paying for games.

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So out of curiosity, what do you predict SE will do in terms of type-0's release? It will happen somehow, they've spent too much money on it not to go global. The question, then, is how they'll do it.