What way should the next gen tackle used games piracy, rental market?

RIGHT now it cost a lot to make a big budget game, if the game flops even though it get critical acclaim, money is lost people get laid off and Game Studios close.  This effect not only the developer, and publisher, but other games that are going to come out as INVESTORS do not want to take a risk on such endeavors.  Thus, well know games that carry less risk will get more capital investment, and publisher approval. IN THE END its all about making the investors, and Publishers a PROFIT.

Going forward IF games are to use more assets such as: Voice acting, better graphics, body capturing, AI, Physics, Writing, level design,... ETC then Like movie budgets the cost will increase.  How will such increases be paid for?

Right now there are more ways to buy a game used than ever before and MORE easily than before. Gamestop has made Billions over the years and now Bestbuy, Target are getting in on the  used game market, and Cregslist, Amazon and Ebay as well as other used game sites sale used games. Gamefly is starting to increase in is base. In the end Used games are being sold and resold at a volume that was UNTHINKABLE previously. 

The games market has shifted as more ways to play games have started to catch on. Ipad, smartphones... are starting to take off selling billions of pieces of content. In addition casual games have started to sale more than HC games and so a shift in focus is accordanly. 

SO what is going to happen? How will games evolve is there is not enough money in the industry given all the pressures to make a profit.  

Now on the bright side IF developers are able to make their profits from used game sales almost as much as they do with new sales, I HOPE THAT publishers,  will have the stomach to innovate with more Hardcore RPG, Action, and stratagy games, along with some NEW IP that is different. 

I would much rather see a focus on creating a large number of smaller titles which are all quite different rather than a few blockbusters. 

Large projects probably have got the biggest earning potential. But consider Kingdoms of Amalur. In my opinion this was not managed well. Far far too risky to jump in with such a huge budget on a new intellectual property. All the eggs were in one basket and it flopped. 

Also, some simple advice - don't hire celebrities like Tom Hanks, or one of the Baldwins to be the voice actor. That must be prohibitively expensive. Instead, go for a professional voice acter. They can cover multiple characters and they don't hemmorage as much money. I bet that Baldwin wasn't cheap, and how much did he improve Mass Effect 2 relative to a bloke like say Fred Tatasciore?

Probably go the route of CD Keys. Console gamers are already used to having to put in codes in order to unlock the Online portions of their games or Day one DLC that came as a pre order bonus.

I think this would be the best way to go about it as long as the code was tied to your account so if you had to get a new console, the code would already be registered on your username and oyu wouldn't have to rebuy the game.

an explanation of each 

1. if the games are locked and there is a charge for transfer of said game then I hope that prices would come down.  Les DLC content would be used. 

2. If games are left as is then the cost of games may go to $100.00 per game.  This would get them profits but at the cost of selling less games.  The focus on Piracy would bbe for every choice but HERE the focus would come at a higher cost as using more powe from the console and updatable and changeable, (thus more than PS3 core cost at 1/7 power devoted to anti-piracy) 

3. Apple makes its profits from selling the devices and they make a HUGE profit for just that aspect.  Microsoft and Sony could then instead of losing money from the sale of every console charge a price that they make a profit from the very begining and delaying price dorps, reaping futher profit down the line.  They would then NOT NEED to increase the price of games and charge LESS IN ROYALTIES to publishers, and developers. 

4. Striping games down to a single content way to play.  Some people never use the online mode, or CO-OP, or play aginst other players an so can save some money by not having that as part of the game. The price would not drop it would stil be $60.00 for a game but just less of a game to pay for those wanting more would have to pay for more.

5. Each game can be big (Skyrim) while others smaller, in this case every game would be a lot shorter and could be eposidoc in nature.  Then if people want more there would be the next part of the game or DLC to add to the game. 

6. The consoles could be Digital Distrubution only and become like Steam?? 

There is no way to beat piracy. It's impossible. You cannot build DRM that pirates will not crack because they have an unlimited amount of time to do so, and they are far more invested in cracking that DRM than than a company is in building it. All that sort of DRM does is dick over your legitimate consumers.

You probably won't beat the second-hand market until everything is completely reliant on DD, either, and that's not going to happen for a long time. I know I personally will not support a console that does not allow me to do what I want with physical media.

What this gen hopefully will do, however, is see an increase in indie development and an increase in mid-tier games and studios. The former is pretty much guarunteed to happen, but the latter might not. And if it doesn't, we will see more studios closed next gen than ever before.

If I was a publisher my concern would be to not negatively affect legitimate buyers.

I'd release all my games DRM-free, and rest-assured knowing that nobody who would buy my games is not buying it because of piracy.

The more you try to prevent piracy the harder they will push to bypass it. Crackers live for this stuff and there is not one single way you can stop them from doing it. It's literally impossible to stop piracy completely.Best thing you can hope to do is lessen it by making a pretty great game that people would gladly pay for

IF they going do it. I think they should do something like online pass.

Allow X days Then you have to pay $x

Piracy is a game of Cat and mouse.  IF the system is updatable then you can stop it at each year but YES at a cost.  The power it takes away from the console, and how much it cost each year to continually update the system focusing on piracy prevention. 

But it can be done.  Locking each game to the account/console is one step that will add to knowing who has a legit copy of a game. MS has used such policys to better protect windows from being copied.  THIS would just be 2 parts to a HUGE plan. 

There is no way to beat piracy. It's impossible. You cannot build DRM that pirates will not crack because they have an unlimited amount of time to do so, and they are far more invested in cracking that DRM than than a company is in building it. All that sort of DRM does is dick over your legitimate consumers.

DarkLink77

Diablo 3 has been out for almost a year now,is there a even barely decent pirated version of the game available? I don´t think there is.

TC drank the "Oh, look at us poor ol'developers" cool-aid. . . 

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"]

There is no way to beat piracy. It's impossible. You cannot build DRM that pirates will not crack because they have an unlimited amount of time to do so, and they are far more invested in cracking that DRM than than a company is in building it. All that sort of DRM does is dick over your legitimate consumers.

MrYaotubo

Diablo 3 has been out for almost a year now,is there a even barely decent pirated version of the game available? I don´t think there is.

All of those options are terrible. The more you charge, the more piracy there is going to be.

If I was a publisher my concern would be to not negatively affect legitimate buyers.

I'd release all my games DRM-free, and rest-assured knowing that nobody who would buy my games is not buying it because of piracy.

Ly_the_Fairy

[QUOTE="MrYaotubo"]

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"]

There is no way to beat piracy. It's impossible. You cannot build DRM that pirates will not crack because they have an unlimited amount of time to do so, and they are far more invested in cracking that DRM than than a company is in building it. All that sort of DRM does is dick over your legitimate consumers.

k2theswiss

Diablo 3 has been out for almost a year now,is there a even barely decent pirated version of the game available? I don´t think there is.

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"]

There is no way to beat piracy. It's impossible. You cannot build DRM that pirates will not crack because they have an unlimited amount of time to do so, and they are far more invested in cracking that DRM than than a company is in building it. All that sort of DRM does is dick over your legitimate consumers.

MrYaotubo

Diablo 3 has been out for almost a year now,is there a even barely decent pirated version of the game available? I don´t think there is.

[QUOTE="Ly_the_Fairy"]

If I was a publisher my concern would be to not negatively affect legitimate buyers.

I'd release all my games DRM-free, and rest-assured knowing that nobody who would buy my games is not buying it because of piracy.

Shewgenja

That's mainly it.

DRM is a good way to keep people from becoming fans of your games.

I've got a friend who can't access his copy of Far Cry 3 because of uplay is being a big butt, and won't let him access it. What's sad is that Far Cry 3 looks to be the embodiment of everything my friend loves in games, but he won't ever get the chance to know.

[QUOTE="MrYaotubo"]

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"]

There is no way to beat piracy. It's impossible. You cannot build DRM that pirates will not crack because they have an unlimited amount of time to do so, and they are far more invested in cracking that DRM than than a company is in building it. All that sort of DRM does is dick over your legitimate consumers.

DarkLink77

Diablo 3 has been out for almost a year now,is there a even barely decent pirated version of the game available? I don´t think there is.

All of those options are terrible. The more you charge, the more piracy there is going to be.

sherman-tank1

This all of your opitions are terrible TC so I didn't vote for one single one.

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="MrYaotubo"]

Diablo 3 has been out for almost a year now,is there a even barely decent pirated version of the game available? I don´t think there is.

MrYaotubo

And what would happen if it was cracked?

Diablo 2 sold millions of copies, and was still played by millions of users over Battle.net up until the Diablo 3 launch.

Does anyone doubt that Diablo 3 would have sold less without DRM given how monstrous Blizzard's brand recognition has gotten since the year 2000? Instead they had to go about inconviniencing millions of gamers who trusted Blizzard, through buying their product, that they'd get access to a game anytime they wanted to play it.

I know a couple Blizzard fans who bought Diablo 3, and have the box on display as a reminder to why they should always research games before they buy them no matter who the developer is. 

Keep the online passes.

TC drank the "Oh, look at us poor ol'developers" cool-aid. . . 

Shenmue_Jehuty

I wouold just like to know from people what should developers, publishers, and console makers do to make a profit?   THAT is why they make games.  

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TC drank the "Oh, look at us poor ol'developers" cool-aid. . . 

Ravenlore_basic

I wouold just like to know from people what should developers, publishers, and console makers do to make a profit?   THAT is why they make games.  

All of those options are terrible. The more you charge, the more piracy there is going to be.

sherman-tank1

Then the way around it is to charge more for the console if they sell consoles like if APPLE made a console making a profit of $100.00 per console  SO if a console cost $300.00 to make and they made $100.00 then they would sell the console for $400.00.  that would represent 1/4 of the cost or 25% 

Then the console makers would not need to relay on Profits form games sold. They could reduce the price they charge publishers for games. Thus reducing the price of the game, as well. 

[QUOTE="sherman-tank1"]

All of those options are terrible. The more you charge, the more piracy there is going to be.

Ravenlore_basic

Then the way around it is to charge more for the console if they sell consoles like if APPLE made a console making a profit of $100.00 per console  SO if a console cost $300.00 to make and they made $100.00 then they would sell the console for $400.00.  that would represent 1/4 of the cost or 25% 

Then the console makers would not need to relay on Profits form games sold. They could reduce the price they charge publishers for games. Thus reducing the price of the game, as well. 

[QUOTE="Ravenlore_basic"]

[QUOTE="sherman-tank1"]

All of those options are terrible. The more you charge, the more piracy there is going to be.

sherman-tank1

Then the way around it is to charge more for the console if they sell consoles like if APPLE made a console making a profit of $100.00 per console  SO if a console cost $300.00 to make and they made $100.00 then they would sell the console for $400.00.  that would represent 1/4 of the cost or 25% 

Then the console makers would not need to relay on Profits form games sold. They could reduce the price they charge publishers for games. Thus reducing the price of the game, as well. 

The PS3 lost money.  Had the charged more and never lost the BIllions they did just by selling the console they would not be in the situration they are in now.  

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[QUOTE="Ravenlore_basic"]

Then the way around it is to charge more for the console if they sell consoles like if APPLE made a console making a profit of $100.00 per console  SO if a console cost $300.00 to make and they made $100.00 then they would sell the console for $400.00.  that would represent 1/4 of the cost or 25% 

Then the console makers would not need to relay on Profits form games sold. They could reduce the price they charge publishers for games. Thus reducing the price of the game, as well. 

Ravenlore_basic

The PS3 lost money.  Had the charged more and never lost the BIllions they did just by selling the console they would not be in the situration they are in now.  

Once you beat the game, the disc destroys itself. I'm sure you system warriors are willing to take one for the team, right? 

[QUOTE="sherman-tank1"]

All of those options are terrible. The more you charge, the more piracy there is going to be.

Ravenlore_basic

Then the way around it is to charge more for the console if they sell consoles like if APPLE made a console making a profit of $100.00 per console  SO if a console cost $300.00 to make and they made $100.00 then they would sell the console for $400.00.  that would represent 1/4 of the cost or 25% 

Then the console makers would not need to relay on Profits form games sold. They could reduce the price they charge publishers for games. Thus reducing the price of the game, as well. 

Very easy.

Pre-order gets all DLC and future DLC for free

New copy gets all day 1 DLC

Used copy gets no DLC/online pass.

Make games people want to buy.Zeviander

And keep. Buy and keep.

Remember when people didn't run to sell their games the day after they beat them? That wasn't too long ago, kids. A smart industry composed of talented and sensible individuals instead of wannabe "artists" would understand that the fact that something that a few years ago didn't really happen that often came to become an issue now is THEIR fault. And smart consumers would demand a solution that actually takes care of the problem, a solution that implies having a selection of video games that they actually want to keep, instead of trying to squeeze more money out of them while treating them like felons.

The only thing that's keeping this now worthless industry alive is that some of you dumbtards are far too stupid to understand how bad those companies are screwing you over. But even that has to end, even if it's because of some sort of neckbeard black plague or something. 

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TC drank the "Oh, look at us poor ol'developers" cool-aid. . . 

Ravenlore_basic

I wouold just like to know from people what should developers, publishers, and console makers do to make a profit?   THAT is why they make games.  

The PS3 lost money.  Had the charged more and never lost the BIllions they did just by selling the console they would not be in the situration they are in now.  

Ravenlore_basic

 i'm pretty sure that piracy isn't what's ruining the market. Piracy has kinda always been there yet there has been it's ups and downs. People just don't want to sit down to play video games or spend 40 - 60 dollars on games when they're busy with other things. In fact some people that even buy games don't have the time to finish them but still buy them to support developers.

Developers should ship their games without copy protection and see how the numbers do on major releases lol i bet they still sell decent. Developers turned into money hungry sell outs like cliffy.b lol he get's his lambo and rides off into the sunset LOL.

shareware days was alot better pay like 5$ for like quake shareware disk at gamestop and if you wanted the full game just order it from dev.

Was better than laying down 60$ on a game you might not like.

not enough demos are being released today they just expect you to lay down 60$ like it's nothing atleast with shareware they basically make a few bucks from releasing a damn demo aka shareware.

The most common would be the steam verision. You have  a key and that key is tied to the account. 

Where's my aliens colonial marines demo?