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#1 mstc_Q
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By valuable, I mean the kind of game you come back to and play often. A valuable game withstands the test of time and remains fun in spite of the progress of the gaming industry.



While I don't think it's ever a single trait that makes a game valuable, I wonder what everyone thinks the most important trait is.


Discuss: What makes your most valued games so favored?

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#2 deactivated-63f6895020e66
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That is fun.
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#3 ActicEdge
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It has to be atleast AA otherwise it is a crap game of no worth and has no right to exist.

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#4 njean777
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Gameplay and story are very important in most games but if the gameplay is really good (killzone 2) ill play it no matter what. Multiplayer is secondary to me but i do enjoy good multiplayer.

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#5 njean777
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It has to be atleast AA otherwise it is a crap game of no worth and has no right to exist.

ActicEdge

LOL most people here treat games like that.

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It has to be atleast AA otherwise it is a crap game of no worth and has no right to exist.

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My argument against that is that if there are better games to play, why bother with anything less?
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#7 SpruceCaboose
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Fun. That is the only thing, IMO. Everything else either helps or hinders the fun factor, but fun is the end all for games to me.
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#8 deactivated-63f6895020e66
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[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

It has to be atleast AA otherwise it is a crap game of no worth and has no right to exist.

mstc_Q
My argument against that is that if there are better games to play, why bother with anything less?

Because what's "better" is completely subjective. People that play and enjoy games play what they want, now what other people say it's better.
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#9 JLF1
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Depends on the genre and sub-genre.

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[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

It has to be atleast AA otherwise it is a crap game of no worth and has no right to exist.

mstc_Q
My argument against that is that if there are better games to play, why bother with anything less?

My argument would be, why do you let reviewers think for you about what is better than others? Is Citizen Kane your favorite movie? Critics always say its the best (at least compilation critical views, like AFI), so why watch anything else?
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[QUOTE="IronBass"] Because what's "better" is completely subjective. People that play and enjoy games play what they want, now what other people say it's better.

You're right. And reviews are subjective too. However it does represent somewhat what the popular opinion is, and as for finding a recommendation, why would you bother with anything below an 8 when there are plenty of titles above that number?
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#12 Canvas_Of_Flesh
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Story and gameplay are sharing the number one spot for me. I typically don't play many games that don't have at least a decent story.
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#13 kingdre
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I'm gonna go with story.

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none of those fun is what matters its why games are made
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[QUOTE="mstc_Q"][QUOTE="IronBass"] Because what's "better" is completely subjective. People that play and enjoy games play what they want, now what other people say it's better.

You're right. And reviews are subjective too. However it does represent somewhat what the popular opinion is, and as for finding a recommendation, why would you bother with anything below an 8 when there are plenty of titles above that number?

I try/research games by myself, and buy the games I'm interested in. I wouldn't call "recommendation" the "opinion" of someone I don't know (or that I don't even know if they have played they game they review).
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[QUOTE="mstc_Q"][QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

It has to be atleast AA otherwise it is a crap game of no worth and has no right to exist.

SpruceCaboose

My argument against that is that if there are better games to play, why bother with anything less?

My argument would be, why do you let reviewers think for you about what is better than others? Is Citizen Kane your favorite movie? Critics always say its the best (at least compilation critical views, like AFI), so why watch anything else?

Could not have said it better myself

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[QUOTE="mstc_Q"][QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

It has to be atleast AA otherwise it is a crap game of no worth and has no right to exist.

SpruceCaboose
My argument against that is that if there are better games to play, why bother with anything less?

My argument would be, why do you let reviewers think for you about what is better than others? Is Citizen Kane your favorite movie? Critics always say its the best (at least compilation critical views, like AFI), so why watch anything else?

Money is always an issue, and there is a host of entertainment available out there. Reviews merely assist in choosing what entertainment you want to expose yourself to. I know what I like and so I look at various reviews and read the highest and lowest scores to get an idea of what's in the game. If the gripes are about things I can't stand, I don't look at the game any further. Generally speaking, things with a metascore below an 8 tend to have good reasons for it. That said, I still intend to pick up Mirror's Edge one of these days in spite of its score because I know that the two biggest gripes wouldn't hinder my enjoyment of the game.
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[QUOTE="mstc_Q"][QUOTE="IronBass"] Because what's "better" is completely subjective. People that play and enjoy games play what they want, now what other people say it's better.

You're right. And reviews are subjective too. However it does represent somewhat what the popular opinion is, and as for finding a recommendation, why would you bother with anything below an 8 when there are plenty of titles above that number?

Because if you listen only to reviews and numbers, you could easily miss some game that becomes one of your favorites. Like, for example, Ratchet & Clank and Halo Wars both scored below 8 here, and yet both are two of my most fun games this gen. Not the most fun or anything, but both are great games that I really enjoyed, and I would have missed both with your viewpoint.
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[QUOTE="IronBass"][QUOTE="mstc_Q"][QUOTE="IronBass"] Because what's "better" is completely subjective. People that play and enjoy games play what they want, now what other people say it's better.

You're right. And reviews are subjective too. However it does represent somewhat what the popular opinion is, and as for finding a recommendation, why would you bother with anything below an 8 when there are plenty of titles above that number?

I try/research games by myself, and buy the games I'm interested in. I wouldn't call "recommendation" the "opinion" of someone I don't know (or that I don't even know if they have played they game they review).

The whole point of a review is to determine if the reviewer recommends the game or not.
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[QUOTE="mstc_Q"][QUOTE="IronBass"] Because what's "better" is completely subjective. People that play and enjoy games play what they want, now what other people say it's better. SpruceCaboose
You're right. And reviews are subjective too. However it does represent somewhat what the popular opinion is, and as for finding a recommendation, why would you bother with anything below an 8 when there are plenty of titles above that number?

Because if you listen only to reviews and numbers, you could easily miss some game that becomes one of your favorites. Like, for example, Ratchet & Clank and Halo Wars both scored below 8 here, and yet both are two of my most fun games this gen. Not the most fun or anything, but both are great games that I really enjoyed, and I would have missed both with your viewpoint.

I have the same feeling Fear 2 got a 7.5 but it is one of my fav. games this gen. The story is very good and so is the gameplay.

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[QUOTE="mstc_Q"] Money is always an issue, and there is a host of entertainment available out there. Reviews merely assist in choosing what entertainment you want to expose yourself to. I know what I like and so I look at various reviews and read the highest and lowest scores to get an idea of what's in the game. If the gripes are about things I can't stand, I don't look at the game any further. Generally speaking, things with a metascore below an 8 tend to have good reasons for it. That said, I still intend to pick up Mirror's Edge one of these days in spite of its score because I know that the two biggest gripes wouldn't hinder my enjoyment of the game.

What you just said you do is contradictory to what you wrote before. If you go by straight number, you would not read a review. You would not judge gripes against what you believe. You would take the numerical score and that is that.
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[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"] Because if you listen only to reviews and numbers, you could easily miss some game that becomes one of your favorites. Like, for example, Ratchet & Clank and Halo Wars both scored below 8 here, and yet both are two of my most fun games this gen. Not the most fun or anything, but both are great games that I really enjoyed, and I would have missed both with your viewpoint.

Never look at just one review, since after all, a single review is only the opinion of one person. I understand where you're coming from, but there is a certain amount of risk involved with spending money on a game - namely the risk of you could have spent it on a better game if you end up not liking it.
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[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"][QUOTE="mstc_Q"] Money is always an issue, and there is a host of entertainment available out there. Reviews merely assist in choosing what entertainment you want to expose yourself to. I know what I like and so I look at various reviews and read the highest and lowest scores to get an idea of what's in the game. If the gripes are about things I can't stand, I don't look at the game any further. Generally speaking, things with a metascore below an 8 tend to have good reasons for it. That said, I still intend to pick up Mirror's Edge one of these days in spite of its score because I know that the two biggest gripes wouldn't hinder my enjoyment of the game.

What you just said you do is contradictory to what you wrote before. If you go by straight number, you would not read a review. You would not judge gripes against what you believe. You would take the numerical score and that is that.

When did I say I just looked at the straight up score?
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Story and presentation.
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[QUOTE="mstc_Q"] The whole point of a review is to determine if the reviewer recommends the game or not.

Oh, but are you sure they are actually "recommending" it? Or are just getting payed to say so? Or that they have actually played the games they say they did?
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#26 mstc_Q
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[QUOTE="shadow_hosi"]none of those fun is what matters its why games are made

I agree, however, I ask the question; What makes a game Fun? To try and answer that question, I tried to list the traits that are, in my mind, the most important. I may be missing some though (For instance, in some cases for myself, I apparently think masochism is fun.)
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[QUOTE="mstc_Q"][QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"] Because if you listen only to reviews and numbers, you could easily miss some game that becomes one of your favorites. Like, for example, Ratchet & Clank and Halo Wars both scored below 8 here, and yet both are two of my most fun games this gen. Not the most fun or anything, but both are great games that I really enjoyed, and I would have missed both with your viewpoint.

Never look at just one review, since after all, a single review is only the opinion of one person. I understand where you're coming from, but there is a certain amount of risk involved with spending money on a game - namely the risk of you could have spent it on a better game if you end up not liking it.

Rent a game first, try demos, etc. There are other avenues besides spending money buying the games.
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#28 ActicEdge
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[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

It has to be atleast AA otherwise it is a crap game of no worth and has no right to exist.

mstc_Q

My argument against that is that if there are better games to play, why bother with anything less?

Because I don't let other people dictate my purchases. I am not going to go out a AAA fps over a A platformer or RPG just because it scored higher. That is a waste of my time. I'm not gonna go out and buy AAA warioware smooth moves over sub A monster hunter. Reviews are nothing more than source points where you gather information and then make a decision, nothing more since I don't enjoy letting others make my decisions for me. Rune Factory Frontier is coming out in a week, it will probably score A however it interests me and I like what I see, thus I'm going to try it. I can make my own choices.

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[QUOTE="IronBass"][QUOTE="mstc_Q"] The whole point of a review is to determine if the reviewer recommends the game or not.

Oh, but are you sure they are actually "recommending" it? Or are just getting payed to say so? Or that they have actually played the games they say they did?

Not a very trusting person are you? I think they'd get fired if they didn't actually play the game. And as for "just being paid", they got into that career because they obviously had some interest in playing games and rating them. There are instances where a reviewer is handed a game that's just not for him - but that person's opinion and recommendation is equally valid since there is a good chance someone will share the same opinion. I'd give MGS4 a 10, but I can see how Eurogamer would give it an 8.
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#30 tOtalPWNaAe
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being fun is all what it takes to be an a-ok game
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#31 osan0
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if i had to pick one element then id say gameplay. great gameplay trumps all imho. however the really special games are the games that deliver a great overall experience. nice graphics that do the job, good story and characters, good use of sound, good writing and good voice overs. it doesent have to be absolutely top notch at everything (thats impossible) but it has to be clear that nothing was really compromised in a particular area (such as sound) so that another area could be beefed up (such as graphics). DE1 is a fine example. the graphics at the time werent the best but they were good enough. the UE1 engine was also good at dealing with outdoor enviroenments so the game never really felt compromised. the gameplay still puts gameplay in most games today to the sword. the use of sound and enviroenmental sound also remains very good. it has a very interesting story and characters and tell its tale well. the only thing lacking that could have benefited the game nicely was a proper physics engine. in 2000 tech like HAVOK wasnt around so its rudimentary physics. it isnt essential to the games design though...it just would have been nice for using pool tables and such like.
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[QUOTE="mstc_Q"][QUOTE="IronBass"][QUOTE="mstc_Q"] The whole point of a review is to determine if the reviewer recommends the game or not.

Oh, but are you sure they are actually "recommending" it? Or are just getting payed to say so? Or that they have actually played the games they say they did?

Not a very trusting person are you? I think they'd get fired if they didn't actually play the game. And as for "just being paid", they got into that career because they obviously had some interest in playing games and rating them. There are instances where a reviewer is handed a game that's just not for him - but that person's opinion and recommendation is equally valid since there is a good chance someone will share the same opinion. I'd give MGS4 a 10, but I can see how Eurogamer would give it an 8.

Nonetheless there's no way you can be "sure" (at the whole context of the word) that they are actually recommending it. Or, if they actually are, if your taste fits theirs, (considering that websites have a lot of reviewers, each with a different taste), not even a game site can assure anything. Reviews are only an indicator of what a couple of people think (or say they think) about a game. It doesn't mean a game is "better" than other, or that what they say means "quality".
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Rent a game first, try demos, etc. There are other avenues besides spending money buying the games.SpruceCaboose

I disagree with renting. Where I live it costs $8 to rent a game. For $8 these days I could almost get a downloadable title - and tacking on $8 to any video game price can be the difference between reasonable and rip-off (Yes, I view renting as tacking $8 onto the price of the game if I ended up deciding it was worth a purchase.) The only time I can see renting being worth it is if you can do everything there is to do within the rental period and then never look back at the game after you've milked everything you value out of it.

I wholeheartedly agree with free avenues for trying a game (demos, playing at a friends house, etc.) Listening to the reviews only, I wouldn't have known that Killzone 2 totally sucks because of button lag, or that Super Smash Bros Brawl wasn't at all the fighter its predecessors were because of tripping and other factors. But, especially with the Wii, free avenues aren't always an option.

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[QUOTE="IronBass"] Nonetheless there's no way you can be "sure" (at the whole context of the word) that they are actually recommending it. Or, if they actually are, if your taste fits theirs, (considering that websites have a lot of reviewers, each with a different taste), not even a game site can assure anything. Reviews are only an indicator of what a couple of people think (or say they think) about a game. It doesn't mean a game is "better" than other, or that what they say means "quality".

Reviews are what they are. In the end you're the judge - and reviews can be really useful if you know what to look for; what to judge. As for arguing reviews on the forums though, I can totally see why people can be so willing to ignore a lower-than-best score. When a game gets a 7.5 and the reviewer doesn't have anything exciting to say about it (Usually when a game gets a 7.5 it means it works, but it doesn't offer anything new) you really can't expect people to respond with excitement.
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#35 mstc_Q
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You know, I put Artistic Design up there because of Shadow of the Colossus.

I wouldn't say that game has a particularly good storyline, or even that the gameplay itself is terribly epic (Stripping it down to its raw mechanics), but with its presentation in art direction in combination with the music it makes the game epic enough that I still pop it in occasionally to view those grand moments.

I guess there aren't enough SotCs out there for that option to get any votes.

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no enemies not fun enough IMO
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#37 mstc_Q
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no enemies not fun enough IMOtOtalPWNaAe
I dunno... Although it was short, I rather enjoyed Flower.
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[QUOTE="tOtalPWNaAe"]no enemies not fun enough IMOmstc_Q
I dunno... Although it was short, I rather enjoyed Flower.

i was talking about SoTC
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[QUOTE="mstc_Q"][QUOTE="tOtalPWNaAe"]no enemies not fun enough IMOtOtalPWNaAe
I dunno... Although it was short, I rather enjoyed Flower.

i was talking about SoTC

I dunno... the enemies in SotC are kind of hard to miss...
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Fun factor and presentation.

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[QUOTE="mstc_Q"][QUOTE="tOtalPWNaAe"][QUOTE="mstc_Q"] I dunno... Although it was short, I rather enjoyed Flower.

i was talking about SoTC

I dunno... the enemies in SotC are kind of hard to miss...

you mean the 16 boss enemies?
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I have to go with gameplay, there ara 10 years old games that you play today and you still have fun, but for a game to be eternal, it also has to have a great production value, like Blizzard games.

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How much pain it brings me :D

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#44 MBP_King
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I would say replay value.

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#45 Floppy_Jim
Member since 2007 • 25933 Posts

That is fun.IronBass

^Exactly. If a game isn't fun, it can GTFO of my sight! :x

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#46 tOtalPWNaAe
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mstc_Q I think your topic title should be changed to whats the important thing that makes a game great,i see alot of people paying attention replay value more than anything,take portal for example it was short but it was great.
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#47 PAL360
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Imo the gameplay/fun is the most important but story, graphics, etc are important too

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#48 Gxgear
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Gameplay is the most important attribute to a great game.

Uniqueness is second. Because there's so many competition within each genre, if it doesn't stand out then it's just another FPS/RPG/RTS etc. Games like TF2 and MGS4 comes to mind.

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#49 WasntAvailable
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It would be a sum of number of hours of enjoyment. So if you played an RPG for 30 hours, and enjoyed only about 10, yet you played an adventure game for 15, and enjoyed about 12, the adventure game would be more valuable. That's how I see it anyway. I don't find multiplayer adds all that much to value because I generally don't enjoy it that much most of time.

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#50 hakanakumono
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The experience.

If its an amazing experience for you, you're going to love it. It cant really just be story, just be gameplay, etc etc. It varies from game to game and sometimes what makes a game great is difficult to put into words.