What's the most reliable source for sales?

I wanna know if vgchartz is even remotely accurate right now. It has ps4 at 12.3 million sold with xbone only at 6.1. That's really bad. Even if it IS off, could it be off by millions?

It also said ps4 outsold Xbox one 2:1 in NA which is funny cause NA used to be Xbox territory. It also said drive club was the 2nd highest selling game last week and xbone only sold 700 systems in Japan haha.

lolvgchartz

NPD (whatever that is)

When was the last NPD?

But the most accurate sales numbers will come from the people who are selling whatever it is thats being sold.

Sony will give the most accurate sales number of the PS4, Capcom will give you the most accurate number of President Evil games sold.

Well, considering that PS4's last announced sales are 13.5 million, VGChartz is hilariously wrong again.

The most reliable source is company released figures. Nothing more.

@arkephonic

I don't know... I only brought it up because I heard it before... Somewhere.

vgchartz are reliable when fanboys want to justify something

When was that announcement, though? It says 12.3 million as of October 18th.

As of September 30, 2014, PS4 has 13.5 million units worldwide. VGChartz is off by over a million.

I don't know if that site is particularly reliable, but those figures are pretty consistent with what I've been hearing (ie that the PS4 is selling at least 2x as much as the XB1). It's not really surprising. Neither console has a particularly strong set of exclusives, so people will naturally go with the system that performs best in multiplats.

How is anyone supposed to know who is selling the most consoles if none of the sources are reliable and the ones that are reliable only happen like once a year?

They happen every three months.

The company that sells it will tell you the numbers correctly. Everything else is either a projection or a troll.

I think thats that... Now lets get back being Fan Boys...

vgchartz is a site run by a 20 something year old hardcore Xbox fanboy who used to pretend he had access to retail tracking data on the neogaf forums back at the start of last gen. He was so bad at making up fake sales numbers to try to make the Xbox 360 look like it was selling massively more hardware and software he got perma-banned from the site.

He ran off to create his crappy little fake sales site after he got banned from neogaf so that no one could stop him from making up his hilariously fake and inflated Xbox sales numbers and laughably fake and low Playstation sales numbers.

Could he be off by millions?

The dumb little kid at vgchartz at one point had the PS2 lifetime sales numbers off by some 40 million.

The dumb little kid at vgchartz often gets caught making up Xbox sales numbers that are higher than Microsoft's very own shipment numbers.

vgchartz numbers are essentially Microsoft shipped to retailer numbers passed off as being actual sales numbers and Sony's outdated sold to customer numbers.

Microsoft has shipped just about 6.1 million Xbox Ones and about 5.3-5.4 million sold with about their standard 800k to 1 million or so in the retail channel.

Sony's PS4 numbers are close to 13 million now with close to a million being sold each month.

Both Sony and Nintendo report actual sold to customer numbers for their consoles - not 'sold to retailer'. Both have done so since 2006.

In every Sony quarterly report:

www.sony.net/SonyInfo/IR/financial/fr/09q2_eleki.pdf

"* Beginning with Q1 FY07, the method of reporting hardware and software unit sales has been changed from production shipments to recorded sales."

Nintendo does the same as Sony.

Microsoft is the only console maker who plays the shipped to retailer as actual sales game.

NPD, Media Create, Chart-Track are all reliable sources whose retail tracking data is either published or leaked enough for average gamers to have a sanity check on installed base claims for the various consoles.

The game the little Xbox fan at vgchartz plays is to make up fake sales numbers every week that are inflated for Microsoft and ridiculously low for Sony and then each month when real numbers come out from legitimate retail tracking firms he scrambles to 'adjust' his numbers to try to avoid making his fake sales numbers look too obvious.

vgchartz made up software sales numbers and fake pre-order numbers simply fantasyland.

So then what are the current sales numbers for each system?

We don't know what the Xbox One's latest updated numbers are. Microsoft are doing what Sony did last gen, they're combining the numbers of Xbox One and Xbox 360, presumably to mask poorer than expected (or accepted) performance.

PS4 -13.5 I think. X1 someone will tell you XD

So then what are the current sales numbers for each system?

Do you think that the Xbox One will ever pass the Wii U? If so, do you think the Wii U will ever regain 2nd place once it does?

Yes and no respectively. Xbox One is outpacing Wii U sales, even if it is doing so at a slower than anticipated rate. Assuming no change in the general trajectories of these two systems, Xbox One will eventually pass the Wii U, my guess is around the second half of next year at the latest.

Once that happens, considering Wii U is selling at a slower pace, and that is really not about to change, the Wii U will never regain its lead.

Do you think Xbone will pass PS4 or even come close?

Nah. This generation will play out a lot like the N64/PS1/Saturn generation.

Once the NPD's are reported, VGChartz does a good job of storing all of that information. So it should be near 100% accurate for old data. But when it tries to predict data... then that's another story.

You really think it'll be that bad? Didn't the PS1 slaughter the N64?

Yep, 3:1. But the N64 managed to carve out a respectable niche for itself and was a viable and popular platform. That's what I think the Xbox One will be, this generation's N64.

6.1 million isn't really bad, its actually one of the fastest selling consoles in history. Just stop. Toyota outsells Mercedes by a landslide, it doesn't mean Toyota is better.

Justin Beiber has more youtube views than Metallica. Does that mean he's better?

This argument really doesn't hold in this case.

not really that far off, if you take into consideration Sony's probably listing shipped numbers not sold to customer, whereas I believe VGChartz predicts customer sales based on the data they collect, that means the marginal difference between what they predict/extrapolate is sold to customers subtracted from the official shipped numbers accounts for a worldwide retailer inventory waiting to be sold off, and that to me makes sense since distributors are probably building up inventory to prepare for holidays

granted there is no solid basis by what they work by, they'll often adjust figures off new data, even adjusting old entries for data off new info, only once do I recall them being reactionary to Sony shipped numbers, matching sales data to the shipped numbers exactly, that only really happened once though, I imagine they typically have a predicted sale to customer figure that's slightly behind the sale to retailer/distributor number, it just makes sense there'll be a gap there

What's funny is that during their relevancy, I thought the N64 was more successful just based on word of mouth and all my friends who had N64 systems. I had the N64 a few years before I ever got the PS1 and I always liked it more than the PS1. Everyone I knew had an N64 with Mario Kart and Goldeneye, but only a few people I knew had PlayStations. It wasn't until a few years ago that I looked up the sales and realized the PS1 smashed it.

Lol yeah, dude, that was the case with me as well, and a lot of people I met later on. We all used to think the N64 completely dominated the PlayStation. In a sense, I guess that's understandable, as with the younger demographics, at least, I think N64 was far more popular than the PlayStation ever was.

Standing in the doorway to a store and counting for yourself?

The companies quarterly financial reports.

shh

its vgchartz :)

@cainetao11

Thats miles better than VGCharts :)

Shipped/sales numbers from the companies themselves.

Let us know if you have trouble understanding the following sentence that has been been in every single Sony quarterly report since 2006:

www.sony.net/SonyInfo/IR/financial/fr/09q2_eleki.pdf

"* Beginning with Q1 FY07, the method of reporting hardware and software unit sales has been changed from production shipments to recorded sales."

There is no probably. There is no uncertainty. Sony reports RECORDED SALES for their consoles every quarter. Just like Nintendo does.

It is only Microsoft who plays word games with the word 'sell' by intentionally using the word sell in their public communications when they are talk about shipments to retailers.

And you just have to shake your head in disbelief at people who are dumb enough to think some kid's little fake sales number site 'collect's data'.

The little kid at vgchartz doesn't 'collect' any data. Nor does he have 'methodology'. Nor are the little kid's fake sales number 'estimates'. You just have to shake your head in disgust that there people dumb enough to still take some little hardcore Xbox fan's fake sales number site seriously.

That really is a good point.

Not the comment about counting units in stores of course.

Anyone is able to take the lifetime or year to date public installed base numbers and divide by the number on months on market for each console as sanity check on anyone claiming to have weekly or monthly sales data. Of course you have to take into account Microsoft's shipment numbers that are always going to be 800k to 2 million above their actual sales numbers in comparison to Sony and Nintendo's official sold to customer numbers. And you have to adjust a bit for the dramatic rise in console sales during the last two months each year.

But that quick estimate of each consoles sales is a decent sanity check that anyone can do without having access to official retail tracking firm numbers.

Sony has been selling just bout 900k to 1 million consoles a month in 2014. The fact that when the little Xbox fan at vgchartz is making up fake weekly sales numbers for the PS4 that are far below 225-250k/week it should set off massive warning flags for even people who don't know the site is fake.

That there are still Xbox fans who cling to vgchartz's stupid fake sales numbers is powerful example just how willing fanboys are to believe something because they desperately want it to be true:

vgchartz fake sales numbers

Secret Xbox One hardware yet to be revealed

'teh Cloud' is going let the Xbox One put out PS4 level graphics

Microsoft's 'magic SDK update' is going 'close teh hardware gap' with the PS4

steam has the best sales

Go play in traffic, Sniper.

Never listen to vgchartz.

NPD is a good source.

Companies themselves release sales numbers, too. For example, you can find Nintendo sales reports on their web site.

There's probably no better source that consolidates all data than vgchartz - take that as you like...

Quarterly reports.

People talk a lot of shit about VGchartz because of their "estimates" but as time goes by they accurately adjust their totals according to reports from the companies itself.

Could you read that again, and find what isn't laughable? They are adjusting after official figures are released, which is just asinine. Unless they wish to be a secondary source of official figures, why bother? People use VGChartz for their estimates... Not the official numbers that adjust their numbers, once the official numbers are released.

The PS4 numbers are sell through, as in, sold to customers.

.....um vgchartz was founded in 2005.....before the ps3 was released.....when the xbox 360 was making massive amounts of sales...so......

unsure If joke....