Whats with all the hate with Gamepad+FPS?

If you ever use a console browser, or anything else that employs a cursor, than it should be painfully obvious that an analog stick is just not as accurate as a mouse. It effects shooters as well. (though most developers try to compensate by including some sort of aim-assist)ThePlothole

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you can compare both to a surten extend in PS3's webbrowser. moving the cursor with the analog sticks just isn't as accurate as K/M.

in games it just comes down to your preference, but again K/M is more accurate

Take off auto aim on a controller, then try a mouse, you'll see. I personally hate gamepads with FPS games, hate them with a passion. To me playing FPS with a gamepad is like playing racing games with a keyboard, it can be done but why the hell would you want to?Frozzik

There's a reason as to why the auto aim is there and therefore makes the DA compareable. They figured out the right amount of auto aim for console shooters.

Its simply harder to aim, can be clunky, and is far more innacurate.

Though if you rather it fine, it doesent mean its better.

It's FINE!
insanejedi

No it's not. I've owned a 360 and it was terrible

You have no idea what you are talking about

It works ok, but it's not on the level of keyboard/mouseDivergeUnify

this but i had to add a little somthing to fit my view

[QUOTE="insanejedi"]It's FINE!
vicmackey39

No it's not. I've owned a 360 and it was terrible

You have no idea what you are talking about

Gamepads aren't inherently bad with FPS games, it's just jarring to go from M+KB to gamepad, as it's slower, less sharp and there's auto aim (which is odd for those who have used the mouse for a long time). It certainly lacks precision and speed in comparison to the MK combo, so this acts as a deterrent (to console FPS exclusives or ports) for me and others.

I actually prefer a controller to KB and mouse because I find it to be more comfortable and intuitive overall, even though it's true you can aim more quickly and accurately with a mouse.

[QUOTE="Frozzik"]Take off auto aim on a controller, then try a mouse, you'll see. I personally hate gamepads with FPS games, hate them with a passion. To me playing FPS with a gamepad is like playing racing games with a keyboard, it can be done but why the hell would you want to?insanejedi

There's a reason as to why the auto aim is there and therefore makes the DA compareable. They figured out the right amount of auto aim for console shooters.

lol so your saying a scripted assist makes it comparable? doesnt make any sense... its still clunky and akward.

It's FINE! Aiming with analog sticks is FINE! I dont get where this "If you used a m+k i dunno how the hell could you ever use a console controller." Everytime someone brings this up their all just like "Gotta be on wii! can't aim with analog sticks!" or "with no m+K=phail" You guys all make it sound like aiming with an analog stick is like opening a can with your elbows. You can aim, and you can shoot with a gamepad, it's not hard to figure out!
insanejedi

I actually prefer dual analogues to mouse/keyboard. Im just more used to it, and find it more comfortable to game with a controller.-DrRobotnik-

uh yes it is fine. just because you don't like it, doesnt mean it's terrible. It's just not as accurate as K/M.killerfist

It's not as accurate as KB/M, there aren't as many buttons. The buttons are ridiculously placed (forcing you to go into a ridiculous lobster claw stance to access them) and there is a lack of standardisation amongst FPS's. Almost every FPS I played on the 360 had different buttons in different places forcing me to get used to the new control scheme

crap and innacurate

[QUOTE="killerfist"]uh yes it is fine. just because you don't like it, doesnt mean it's terrible. It's just not as accurate as K/M.vicmackey39

It's not as accurate as KB/M, there aren't as many buttons. The buttons are ridiculously placed (forcing you to go into a ridiculous lobster claw stance to access them) and there is a lack of standardisation amongst FPS's. Almost every FPS I played on the 360 had different buttons in different places forcing me to get used to the new control scheme

crap and innacurate

^ thank you for proving my point.

[QUOTE="vicmackey39"]

[QUOTE="killerfist"]uh yes it is fine. just because you don't like it, doesnt mean it's terrible. It's just not as accurate as K/M.marklarmer

It's not as accurate as KB/M, there aren't as many buttons. The buttons are ridiculously placed (forcing you to go into a ridiculous lobster claw stance to access them) and there is a lack of standardisation amongst FPS's. Almost every FPS I played on the 360 had different buttons in different places forcing me to get used to the new control scheme

crap and innacurate

^ thank you for proving my point.

Your point is nothing but an excuse, a controller being poor for FPS isnt a challenge its an uneccasary waste of time.

^ thank you for proving my point.

marklarmer

Yeah son, bad controls are great because they provide "a challenge"

Go play some Lair

[QUOTE="marklarmer"]

^ thank you for proving my point.

vicmackey39

Yeah son, bad controls are great because they provide "a challenge"

Go play some Lair

lair isnt a first person shooter...and so far all we seem to of concluded in this thread is that people are embarrassed that they find using a controller too hard and that anything but the easiest way of doing something is a 'waste of time'.

[QUOTE="-DrRobotnik-"]I actually prefer dual analogues to mouse/keyboard. Im just more used to it, and find it more comfortable to game with a controller.delta3074

Game pads handle turning better? Have you even tried playing an FPS game with the keyboard+mouse?

Tried Crysis with my 360 controller (fully supported) and it felt like crap.IgGy621985

Hell I once tried playing TF2 with a 360 controller. I was getting spanked left and right.

Agreed, Controller > K/M for me.

More comfortable

I just like it more.

[QUOTE="killerfist"]uh yes it is fine. just because you don't like it, doesnt mean it's terrible. It's just not as accurate as K/M.vicmackey39

It's not as accurate as KB/M, there aren't as many buttons. The buttons are ridiculously placed (forcing you to go into a ridiculous lobster claw stance to access them) and there is a lack of standardisation amongst FPS's. Almost every FPS I played on the 360 had different buttons in different places forcing me to get used to the new control scheme

crap and innacurate

lair isnt a first person shooter...and so far all we seem to of concluded in this thread is that people are embarrassed that they find using a controller too hard and that anything but the easiest way of doing something is a 'waste of time'.

marklarmer

You could argue that Survival Horror benefits from poor controls because it increases tension

But when you argue in favour of poor, innacurate controls and auto-aim in an FPS you embarass youself

The challenge should come from the game itself. Getting killed because my crappy analog stick does not move fast enough is frustrating

[QUOTE="delta3074"][QUOTE="-DrRobotnik-"]I actually prefer dual analogues to mouse/keyboard. Im just more used to it, and find it more comfortable to game with a controller.Dr-Doctor

Game pads handle turning better? Have you even tried playing an FPS game with the keyboard+mouse?

[QUOTE="vicmackey39"][QUOTE="marklarmer"]

^ thank you for proving my point.

marklarmer

Yeah son, bad controls are great because they provide "a challenge"

Go play some Lair

lair isnt a first person shooter...and so far all we seem to of concluded in this thread is that people are embarrassed that they find using a controller too hard and that anything but the easiest way of doing something is a 'waste of time'.

I know lets use the nintendo wii classic controllers to pretend we are being challenged by the controller instead of the gameplay mechanics thats balance it out :roll:

Whaetver, a completely lame excuse.

[QUOTE="marklarmer"]

lair isnt a first person shooter...and so far all we seem to of concluded in this thread is that people are embarrassed that they find using a controller too hard and that anything but the easiest way of doing something is a 'waste of time'.

vicmackey39

You could argue that Survival Horror benefits from poor controls because it increases tension

But when you argue in favour of poor, innacurate controls and auto-aim in an FPS you embarass youself

The challenge should come from the game itself. Getting killed because my crappy analog stick does not move fast enough is frustrating

you mean not being able to adapt your playing style to cope with the controls. so what? you expect not to die in a game, you want to be able to turn 180 degrees in 0.1 of a second, fair enough. why would i be embarrassed about dying because i cant aim as fast as i could with a mouse, its part of the game. i always turn auto aim off.

[QUOTE="marklarmer"]

lair isnt a first person shooter...and so far all we seem to of concluded in this thread is that people are embarrassed that they find using a controller too hard and that anything but the easiest way of doing something is a 'waste of time'.

vicmackey39

You could argue that Survival Horror benefits from poor controls because it increases tension

But when you argue in favour of poor, innacurate controls and auto-aim in an FPS you embarass youself

The challenge should come from the game itself. Getting killed because my crappy analog stick does not move fast enough is frustrating

[QUOTE="vicmackey39"][QUOTE="marklarmer"]

^ thank you for proving my point.

marklarmer

Yeah son, bad controls are great because they provide "a challenge"

Go play some Lair

lair isnt a first person shooter...and so far all we seem to of concluded in this thread is that people are embarrassed that they find using a controller too hard and that anything but the easiest way of doing something is a 'waste of time'.

so annoying now means hard? try to play against pc gamers that are experienced in fps, it is going to take you a while to reach their level if you dont give up from frustration... if you visit the pc forums you'll see quite a few desperate people asking for advice how to get better. And as a wise man once said: " console gamers that play online fps do not fight with each other, everybody fights against the controls". That totally describes my xbox360 experience btw.

[QUOTE="Dr-Doctor"]

[QUOTE="delta3074"][QUOTE="-DrRobotnik-"]I actually prefer dual analogues to mouse/keyboard. Im just more used to it, and find it more comfortable to game with a controller.delta3074

Game pads handle turning better? Have you even tried playing an FPS game with the keyboard+mouse?

Also, I am relaxing in a nice and comfy chair whilst typing this.

My keyboard and mouse are on my desk so my arms comfortably rests on it and my back is relaxing on my chair.

Turning with a mouse is superior because the speed of the character's turn mimics the speed of your mouse movement so turning is more accurate and can be faster as well.

Turning with a gamepad is slow and generic.

[QUOTE="vicmackey39"][QUOTE="marklarmer"]

lair isnt a first person shooter...and so far all we seem to of concluded in this thread is that people are embarrassed that they find using a controller too hard and that anything but the easiest way of doing something is a 'waste of time'.

MassiveKaos

You could argue that Survival Horror benefits from poor controls because it increases tension

But when you argue in favour of poor, innacurate controls and auto-aim in an FPS you embarass youself

The challenge should come from the game itself. Getting killed because my crappy analog stick does not move fast enough is frustrating

/yawn another pointless excuse.

So Consolites can claim thye play both PC and Consoles and still prefer console cotnrols, but when hermits say it, we automatically suck with a controller? :roll:...

It couldnt be more to do with the fact thats its very clunky, innacurate could it?

Watch any FPS previews on the laters console shooter games, its like a robot is moving in comparison... clunky clunky clunky.

[QUOTE="vicmackey39"]

You could argue that Survival Horror benefits from poor controls because it increases tension

But when you argue in favour of poor, innacurate controls and auto-aim in an FPS you embarass youself

The challenge should come from the game itself. Getting killed because my crappy analog stick does not move fast enough is frustrating

marklarmer

you mean not being able to adapt your playing style to cope with the controls. so what?

AN ANALOGUE STICK IS INHERENTLY LESS ACCURATE THAN A MOUSE AND IS FAR MORE SLUGGISH

This has nothing to do with "play style", something you would know if you had an inkling of experience with shooters. Jesus

[QUOTE="MassiveKaos"][QUOTE="vicmackey39"][QUOTE="marklarmer"]

lair isnt a first person shooter...and so far all we seem to of concluded in this thread is that people are embarrassed that they find using a controller too hard and that anything but the easiest way of doing something is a 'waste of time'.

PC360Wii

You could argue that Survival Horror benefits from poor controls because it increases tension

But when you argue in favour of poor, innacurate controls and auto-aim in an FPS you embarass youself

The challenge should come from the game itself. Getting killed because my crappy analog stick does not move fast enough is frustrating

/yawn another pointless excuse.

So Consolites can claim thye play both PC and Consoles and still prefer console cotnrols, but when hermits say it, we automatically suck with a controller? :roll:...

It couldnt be more to do with the fact thats its very clunky, innacurate could it?

Watch any FPS previews on the laters console shooter games, its like a robot is moving in comparison... clunky clunky clunky.

[QUOTE="marklarmer"][QUOTE="vicmackey39"]

You could argue that Survival Horror benefits from poor controls because it increases tension

But when you argue in favour of poor, innacurate controls and auto-aim in an FPS you embarass youself

The challenge should come from the game itself. Getting killed because my crappy analog stick does not move fast enough is frustrating

vicmackey39

you mean not being able to adapt your playing style to cope with the controls. so what?

AN ANALOGUE STICK IS INHERENTLY LESS ACCURATE THAN A MOUSE AND IS FAR MORE SLUGGISH

This has nothing to do with "play style", something you would know if you had an inkling of experience with shooters. Jesus

so you're saying you would approach playing a FPS with a controller in exactly the same way as you would when playing with a mouse. no wonder you suck.

Thats because your rubbish at the game. MassiveKaos

Firstly it's you're (as in you are)

and an analogue stick does not move slower than a mouse because I am "rubbish at the game" it moves slower because it is an analogue stick

you seriously have no idea what you are on about

so you're saying you would approach playing a FPS with a controller in exactly the same way as you would when playing with a mouse. no wonder you suck.

marklarmer

i have to say you get alot more precision with the keyboard and mouse and i dont think anyone is denying that. i have mixed feeling with the contorller against mouse. for me the controller is alot more easier jsut to kinda relax wen playing and the keyboard + mouse feels more frantic. its jsut more comfortable to me sitting on a couch and playing. i still get the same enjoyment if not more wen using a controller and plus its more comfortable.

i agree with all who say the keyboard + mouse is better for precision because it is 100% true. if you try and use a controller on the comp in multiplayer then you've already lost. but to all who say i die because the controls are sluggish against other console players then you jsut have to get used to the controls and stop blaming the controller to why you died.

[QUOTE="delta3074"][QUOTE="Dr-Doctor"]

[QUOTE="delta3074"][QUOTE="-DrRobotnik-"]I actually prefer dual analogues to mouse/keyboard. Im just more used to it, and find it more comfortable to game with a controller.Dr-Doctor

Game pads handle turning better? Have you even tried playing an FPS game with the keyboard+mouse?

Also, I am relaxing in a nice and comfy chair whilst typing this.

My keyboard and mouse are on my desk so my arms comfortably rests on it and my back is relaxing on my chair.

Turning with a mouse is superior because the speed of the character's turn mimics the speed of your mouse movement so turning is more accurate and can be faster as well.

Turning with a gamepad is slow and generic.