Whats with the 360 and the glut of shooters!

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#1 Juice_24
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How can they ever expand there base with all of these shooters taking all of the Mindshare

halo3,orange box,Bioshock,COD4,turok, and many others. then you have poor mass effect which probably wont garner alot of sales

becasue everyones is fragging his team mate!

discuss, is this a long term problem for m$?

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#2 BlueBarad
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Forza, PGR, Sonata, Ace Combat among others say otherwise.
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#3 Darth_Stalin
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Maybe you need to go to IGN and see the 360's game list again. Those aren't the only games on the 360.
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#4 Juice_24
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Forza, PGR, Sonata, Ace Combat among others say otherwise. BlueBarad

will any of those games out sell even one of the ones mentioned above? Not likely.nonshooters do ok on 360. shooters take the lions share of all of he money.

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#5 BioShockOwnz
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[QUOTE="BlueBarad"]Forza, PGR, Sonata, Ace Combat among others say otherwise. Juice_24

will any of those games out sell even one of the ones mentioned above? Not likely.nonshooters do ok on 360. shooters take the lions share of all of he money.

Americans like shooting things. Got a problem with it?

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#6 Darth_Stalin
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[QUOTE="BlueBarad"]Forza, PGR, Sonata, Ace Combat among others say otherwise. Juice_24

will any of those games out sell even one of the ones mentioned above? Not likely.nonshooters do ok on 360. shooters take the lions share of all of he money.

How can the 360 help the type of games it sells? The facts are that there are more than just shooters on the system. First you say the 360 is full of shooters, now you say the non-shooters on it won't sell?

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#7 musicalmac  Moderator
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I like shooters. But I also like variety. Which is why I'm happy to own Viva Pinata, Forza 2, Crackdown, Hexic 2, Geometry Wars, and a lot of other games that aren't shooters.
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#9 BreakingPoint8
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I will never understand this arguement you bring up, "All the Xbox 360 has are shooters". Which is always met with a rational answer, or a list of games that are, infact not shooters. Your response is the same as all other Xbox 360 haters "Well they don't sell" or "No one wants them though". Which has nothing to do with the fact that there is a strong library of non-shooter games.

I wonder why you care, Xbox 360 owners aren't the ones complaining. Most are well informed and are aware of the diverse line up of Xbox 360 games.

It's odd that the highest rated exclusive games on the PlayStation 3 are shooters, and that the best selling game on the PlayStation 3 is a shooter. See how I can spin it around?

The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion sold over 2 million copies on the Xbox 360 with a user base of around 11 million. Western RPGs do just fine on the Xbox 360 and no one has to worry about the sales of Mass Effect. Even more surprising, is a game which has been met with strong mixed reactions could sell 400,000 copies world wide (Blue Dragon).

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[QUOTE="BlueBarad"]Forza, PGR, Sonata, Ace Combat among others say otherwise. Juice_24

they still become million sellers. Also there are shooters that do bad as well. THe Darkness is a great example.

With all the Halo 3 sales ande hype. do u think any other shooter is really gonna be bought over Halo 3 on the 360 that often.

Mass Effect wlll outsell most of those games except maybe Call of Duty 4. also turok and orange box are multiplats like COD 4.

Those games sell alot. they arent the only games on the system.

will any of those games out sell even one of the ones mentioned above? Not likely.nonshooters do ok on 360. shooters take the lions share of all of he money.

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#11 Zerostatic0
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As a 360 owner I'm sorry to say this but the glut of shooters does indeed bother me. I don't like them, I tried to make myself like them but I'm just so much more of a 3rd person action-adventure and rpg type of guy. I know there are some solid action-adventures and rpgs on the 360 but not of the same quality as the shooters.

I mean 9 of the top 16 rated 360 games on gamespot are shooters! They are Gears of War, Halo 3, GRAW, GRAW 2, Call of Duty 2, Call of Duty 3, Rainbow Six Vegas, Bioshock, and Perfect Dark Zero. Of the remaining 7 games, 3 of them are racing games (Forza 2, PGR 3, and Burnout Revenge), and the last 4 are Guitar Hero 2, Oblivion, Dead or Alive 4, & Command & Conquer 3 (only Dead or ALive 4 is exlusive). The 360 has more then just shooters but you are either dumb or in denial if you don't think the 360 is a shooter-centric platform.

Honestly, I'm at the point that where I think I'm going to trade in my 360, and 360 games for the new $399 PS3. I know some would think that's crazy but to someone who doesn't like shooters, the PS3 library is just as good, if not better. Heavenly Sword, Ratchet and Clank, and Uncharted are more to my liking, not to mention that Metal Gear Solid 4 and Final Fantasy XIII are coming next year and I happen to be a big fan fo both series. The only thing holding me back is Mass Effect which looks awesome, but that is literally the only game that I'm truly excited for on my 360. Heck, the Wii which gets constantly blasted for it's games has a lot more games that I'm excited about coming out soon like Mario Galaxy, Zack & Wiki, No More Heroes, Fire Emblem, and Trauma Center: New Blood.

Again, I'm not dissing the 360, if shooters were even in my top 3 of favorite genre's then it would be the system for me but they aren't.

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#12 DarkSidexxx
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I like shooters!!!!

Give me guns..LOTS of guns!!!!!

guns

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#13 goblaa
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Maybe you need to go to IGN and see the 360's game list again. Those aren't the only games on the 360.Tulak_Hord

No, they're just the only ones worth playing...and the only ones selling.

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#14 whoisryanmack
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Why would you say this is a potential problem? Obviously they release shooters because their userbase wants and buys shooters. I doubt ME will fail in sales.
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Forza, PGR, Sonata, Ace Combat among others say otherwise. BlueBarad

I'll add to that list. Virtua Fighter 5, Blue Dragon, Naruto: Rise of the Ninja, Assassin's Creed, NBA 2K8, Madden 2008, Condemned, Dead Rising, Oblivion, Rockstar Table Tennis, Guitar Hero II, Skate, Fight Night RD 3, DiRT, Viva Pinata, Marvel: Ultimate Alliance, Test Drive Unlimited, Tomb Raider: Legend, Lego Star Wars II, Virtua Tennis 3, Moto GP 07, Overload, Fable 2, Banjo 3 and so on, and so on. I think there are a lot more games thenshooters on the XBox 360.

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[QUOTE="Juice_24"]

[QUOTE="BlueBarad"]Forza, PGR, Sonata, Ace Combat among others say otherwise. Tulak_Hord

will any of those games out sell even one of the ones mentioned above? Not likely.nonshooters do ok on 360. shooters take the lions share of all of he money.

How can the 360 help the type of games it sells?

Exactly. Why do fanboys not understand that the console is not responsible for the variety of games it has on it? The developers decide what games to make, and what systems to put it on. If the game flops, it isn't the consoles fault, but the Studio that produced it.

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[QUOTE="BlueBarad"]Forza, PGR, Sonata, Ace Combat among others say otherwise. XanderZane

I'll add to that list. Virtua Fighter 5, Blue Dragon, Naruto: Rise of the Ninja, Assassin's Creed, NBA 2K8, Madden 2008, Condemned, Dead Rising, Oblivion, Rockstar Table Tennis, Guitar Hero II, Skate, Fight Night RD 3, DiRT, Viva Pinata, Marvel: Ultimate Alliance, Test Drive Unlimited, Tomb Raider: Legend, Lego Star Wars II, Virtua Tennis 3, Moto GP 07, Overload, Fable 2, Banjo 3 and so on, and so on. I think there are a lot more games thenshooters on the XBox 360.

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[QUOTE="BlueBarad"]Forza, PGR, Sonata, Ace Combat among others say otherwise. Juice_24

will any of those games out sell even one of the ones mentioned above? Not likely.nonshooters do ok on 360. shooters take the lions share of all of he money.

What does that matter? No one is forcing you to buy the shooting games. The fact that there are a variety of other games besides shooters on the system proves that system has diversity. It's not a "shooter system". Games like Oblivion, Forza 2, Dead Rising, Madden 2008 and even Fight Night 3 have all sold over a million copies. So it's not just the shooters that sell on the system.

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#18 monkeysrfat
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The 360 has shooters, RPG's, racing and sports games and thats about it. The 360 has more than shooters but a large portion of their good games are all shooters.
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#19 XanderZane
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[QUOTE="Tulak_Hord"]Maybe you need to go to IGN and see the 360's game list again. Those aren't the only games on the 360.goblaa

No, they're just the only ones worth playing...and the only ones selling.

The other 12 non-shooter Xbox 360 games that have sold over million copies say "Hello".

http://vgchartz.com/worldtotals.php?name=&console=X360&publisher=&sort=Total

If you don't think Guitar Hero II, PRG 3, Forza 2 and Dead Rising are worth playing, then you're not a true gamer.

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#20 valakos
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How can they ever expand there base with all of these shooters taking all of the Mindshare

halo3,orange box,Bioshock,COD4,turok, and many others. then you have poor mass effect which probably wont garner alot of sales

becasue everyones is fragging his team mate!

discuss, is this a long term problem for m$?

Juice_24

Whats with the wii and the glut of crap ...

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#21 peaceful_anger
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It is one of the main reason I haven't gotten one yet. I'm also affraid the games I like won't top the sales charts meaning the support for those games will be lacking on the 360.

All I really see for the 360 right now are shooters, sports games, and racers.

Shooters: Halo 3, Bioshock, The Orange Box, Kane and Lynch: Dead Man, Call of Duty2, 3, 4, Gears of War, Perfect Dark, Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six Vegas, The Darkness, Army of Two, Lost Planet, BlackSite Area 51, Dead Space, Crackdown, Time Shift, GRAW 1 and 2, Brothers in Arms Hell's Highway, Perfect Dark Zero, F.E.A.R., Turok, Unreal Tournament 3, Prey, Far Cry. The shooters that I listed that have been released have all been in the top ten on the sales charts.

Sports- too many to name, and most have been in the top ten.

Racers- Forza 2, Need for Speed ProStreet, Project Gotham Racing 3 and 4, Juiced 2: Hot Import Nights, Sega Rally Revo, FlatOut: Ultimate Carnage, DiRT, Need for Speed Carbon, Test Drive Unlimited, Need for Speed Most Wanted, MotoGP 07

Are there more games than the ones I mentioned? Heck yes, but these 3 genres on the 360 are what dominate the sales charts and are in the majority.

I will admit though that I'm interested in Mass Effect, Bioshock, Banjo Threeie, Kameo, Viva Pinata, Infinite Undiscovery, Blue Dragon, Eternal Sonata, Fable 2, Dead Rising, and a few others. But if you look at the sales for Blue Dragon, Eternal Sonata, Kameo, and Viva Pinata, you would see that they sold like crap compared to all the games I mentioned above, and that is what worries me about the 360 and really worries me about Banjo Threeie. Banjo Threeie will be the reason I buy a 360, and I just hope it gets the attention and sales it deserves, butif the 360 audience doesn't buy those types of games, then there is no reason to support the hardware with that type of software.

Yes, it's a lot. Sorry.