When a companies first console didn't win...

Those companies fail to exist in the console arena today. Both Nintendo and Sony clearly won the generations that they made their debut.

NES - 60 Million

Playstation - 100 Million.

Bad news for you Microsoft, you lost terribly last generation. Feel free to damage control and spin away. I'm awaiting a thousand different reasons why 'It's so different now...' :lol:

Well, soon enough, it will be the 2nd generation.

SNES and PS2 clearly won their part.

I'm just making an observation and pointing it out. Out of the three players in the console game left. 2 of them clearly won the generation they made their debut.

what do you mean the xbox lost just because it didn't sell the most doesn't mean it lost it was bad it still had enough good games to keep people entertain so it wasn't really a failuremastershake575

So did the other consoles :\

Well what do you expect you know? Less competion. The system is going up against the second playstation and last time I checked the Gamecube did just about as well as the Xbox.

Where does PC stand in all of this by the way?

meh, 6/10 for the flamebait.

you'll probably get maybe 60 replies.

:lol: Yup, MS is about to go out of business.pins_basic

Yeah, that's right. Why, let's ignore the fact I mentioned 'The console arena'. By no means did I imply a companies console gaming division.

I meant the entire company. :|

cows think ms is gonna lose when 360 is selling 2 times faster than flopstation3 :lol:gamergeekgeek

Yeah, why don't you open it up a little bit and take a look at the entire picture. Of course, it's always fun to sway arguments to your favor when people leave out entire chunks of market share and focus solely on 'this current generation'.

The Xbox 360 didn't even outsell the Playstation 2 6 of it's first 7 months on the market. Only to lose it's first place down the road to the Wii. Of course, I expect to hear the usual 'shortages' and 'The Wii isn't competing with...'

[QUOTE="pins_basic"]:lol: Yup, MS is about to go out of business.TekkenMaster606

Yeah, that's right. Why, let's ignore the fact I mentioned 'The console arena'. By no means did I imply a companies console gaming division.

I meant the entire company. :|

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[QUOTE="pins_basic"]:lol: Yup, MS is about to go out of business.PBSnipes

Yeah, that's right. Why, let's ignore the fact I mentioned 'The console arena'. By no means did I imply a companies console gaming division.

I meant the entire company. :|

Microsoft's gaming division has this whole generation to step up and prove history wrong. Long term is everything.

Those companies fail to exist in the console arena today. Both Nintendo and Sony clearly won the generations that they made their debut.

NES - 60 Million

Playstation - 100 Million.

Bad news for you Microsoft, you lost terribly last generation. Feel free to damage control and spin away. I'm awaiting a thousand different reasons why 'It's so different now...' :lol:

TekkenMaster606

Is this just flamebait or do you really need a schooling.

Please let me know so I can know which direction to take.

[QUOTE="gamergeekgeek"]cows think ms is gonna lose when 360 is selling 2 times faster than flopstation3 :lol:TekkenMaster606

The Xbox 360 didn't even outsell the Playstation 2 6 of it's first 7 months on the market.

And the Playstation 3 did? buddy, your console is having a tough time beating the GBA's monthly sales.

I swear, your statement is completely ridiculous, It's like laughing at your school rival for getting a C- when you managed an F.

Typical, here comes Yellow_Rose again to call my posts 'flamebait'. Whatever you want to call it. You conveniently did that last night in the Ninja Gaiden Sigma thread to avoid making any type of response.

Care to go take care of that business first?

Those companies fail to exist in the console arena today. Both Nintendo and Sony clearly won the generations that they made their debut.

NES - 60 Million

Playstation - 100 Million.

Bad news for you Microsoft, you lost terribly last generation. Feel free to damage control and spin away. I'm awaiting a thousand different reasons why 'It's so different now...' :lol:

TekkenMaster606

Here's why its different: Bill Gates wallet.PBSnipes

MS is not going to continually throw money out to an area which is not profitable, no matter how rich they are.

[QUOTE="PBSnipes"]Here's why its different: Bill Gates wallet.darkmario123

MS is not going to continually throw money out to an area which is not profitable, no matter how rich they are.

The shareholders are going to expect performance. And they want long-term results. So far, they have been along for this console ride since 2001 and the returns look worse than a Uwe Boll movie.

Well what do you expect you know? Less competion. The system is going up against the second playstation and last time I checked the Gamecube did just about as well as the Xbox.

Where does PC stand in all of this by the way?

duncanvk

Typical, here comes Yellow_Rose again to call my posts 'flamebait'. Whatever you want to call it. You conveniently did that last night in the Ninja Gaiden Sigma thread to avoid making any type of response.

Care to go take care of that business first?

TekkenMaster606

Don't have time. I'll just assume this is flamebait, so.....

FLAMEBAIT REVIEW

Creativity - (1 out of 5) Regurgitating 3 year old argument is something not even the trolls do anymore.

Believability - (1 out of 5) You say the Xbox was a failure. Gamespot, 1up, EGM, Gamespy, and IGN say it was a success. Who wins? (hint: not you)

Effectiveness - (2 out of 5) Not exactly the reaction you expected isn't it?

TOTAL - (4)CRAPPY - Myfavorit part is mow you brag about the 360 getting outsold by the PS2 6 months out of 7, when the PS3 is getting outsold by the PS2 every month.

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[QUOTE="PBSnipes"]Here's why its different: Bill Gates wallet.TekkenMaster606

MS is not going to continually throw money out to an area which is not profitable, no matter how rich they are.

The shareholders are going to expect performance. And they want long-term results. So far, they have been along for this console ride since 2001 and the returns look worse than a Uwe Boll movie.

So how do you explain Sony's game division losing 2 billion last year with 1 billion on the 4th quarter alone.

[QUOTE="PBSnipes"]Here's why its different: Bill Gates wallet.darkmario123

MS is not going to continually throw money out to an area which is not profitable, no matter how rich they are.

The years 2001 - 2007 called for you. They want their argument bacl ;)

Nintendo has a proven track record. Regardless of the bumps in the road they have turned it around and are clearly dominating. Sony's track record is even better. Two machines with 100M+ sales. Now, I don't believe that figure due to hardware issues, I'm sure everyone here in System Wars can determine a number amount that represents 'Playstation rebuys' due to failure. That's fair. But even if you deduct 40 million units from the PS2 that's still a lot of machines.

Here we are, it's 2007. Microsoft has been in the game for nearly six years and I'm just not seeing bright long term implications. While the recent success is a good start it does not prove to me that their future in the console world is imminent victory.

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Typical, here comes Yellow_Rose again to call my posts 'flamebait'. Whatever you want to call it. You conveniently did that last night in the Ninja Gaiden Sigma thread to avoid making any type of response.

Care to go take care of that business first?

Yellow_Rose

Don't have time. I'll just assume this is flamebait, so.....

FLAMEBAIT REVIEW

Creativity - (1 out of 5) Regurgitating 3 year old argument is something not even the trolls do anymore.

Believability - (1 out of 5) You say the Xbox was a failure. Gamespot, 1up, EGM, Gamespy, and IGN say it was a success. Who wins? (hint: not you)

Effectiveness - (2 out of 5) Not exactly the reaction you expected isn't it?

TOTAL - (4)CRAPPY - Myfavorit part is mow you brag about the 360 getting outsold by the PS2 6 months out of 7, when the PS3 is getting outsold by the PS2 every month.

Yeah, keep on calling it flamebait.

I'll keep on calling it running away and hiding like a cockroach when the lights come on.

[QUOTE="pins_basic"]:lol: Yup, MS is about to go out of business.TekkenMaster606

Yeah, that's right. Why, let's ignore the fact I mentioned 'The console arena'. By no means did I imply a companies console gaming division.

I meant the entire company. :|

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[QUOTE="pins_basic"]:lol: Yup, MS is about to go out of business.pins_basic

Yeah, that's right. Why, let's ignore the fact I mentioned 'The console arena'. By no means did I imply a companies console gaming division.

I meant the entire company. :|

I certainly hope not. Their premier gaming technologies really excite me and the open source nature of their best gaming platform is the greatest thing ever. Let's face it, when it comes to consoles, it's fighting for second best.

Meh, the bait is dissapointing.

[QUOTE="pins_basic"][QUOTE="TekkenMaster606"]

[QUOTE="pins_basic"]:lol: Yup, MS is about to go out of business.TekkenMaster606

Yeah, that's right. Why, let's ignore the fact I mentioned 'The console arena'. By no means did I imply a companies console gaming division.

I meant the entire company. :|

I certainly hope not. Their premier gaming technologies really excite me and the open source nature of their best gaming platform is the greatest thing ever. Let's face it, when it comes to consoles, it's fighting for second best.

We could be staring down Nintendo domination. That is a very real scenario. Or all three could end up in a 33/33/33 percent deadlock. All of these predictions that the Xbox 360 has already run away with the win are based on what? Short term victories measured in the span of months? Sure, the success of the Playstation 3 cannot be judged in any part on what Sony's gaming division has done in the past. Because we all know the gaming industry is so radically different than everything else. :roll:

All of you saying microsoft is the same as sega are completly clueless for MANY reasons:

1) Microsoft has more money then nintendo and sony together, and had a 40 billion dollar surplus last year to throw into what it can show as profitiable

2)Microsoft can use this, even with a lose, to push itself into the media center of the home, pushing sales of windows media center aswell

3) Most finacial experts are claiming that by the end of this year the 360 will be pushed into the black, so it WILL have a profit.

Those companies fail to exist in the console arena today. Both Nintendo and Sony clearly won the generations that they made their debut.

NES - 60 Million

Playstation - 100 Million.

Bad news for you Microsoft, you lost terribly last generation. Feel free to damage control and spin away. I'm awaiting a thousand different reasons why 'It's so different now...' :lol:

TekkenMaster606

This may have been mentioned aleady but who cares!!!

When MS entered the gaming arena, the "war" was already won with Sony being victorious. If any other company would have launched a new product line under those conditions, they would have closed up shop immediately. But since MS has money to burn to test the waters of a new market, the Xbox project was in full stride.

In the face of strong competition, MS accomplished what no other competitor has acheived in the past...a piece of the market share. No other company would have the resources to run a project that was in the red as a benchmark for future profit. But overall the underdog beat out the once all mighty Nintendo and earned the respect of the gaming community.

So in a nutshell MS didnt follow the path of previous market leaders, they created a path of their own!!! Whether you like it or not, MS is a force to be respected in the console realm. Their methods are unorthodox, but its winning over the market.

Give credit where it is due.

Game On...

All of you saying microsoft is the same as sega are completly clueless for MANY reasons:

1) Microsoft has more money then nintendo and sony together, and had a 40 billion dollar surplus last year to throw into what it can show as profitiable

2)Microsoft can use this, even with a lose, to push itself into the media center of the home, pushing sales of windows media center aswell

3) Most finacial experts are claiming that by the end of this year the 360 will be pushed into the black, so it WILL have a profit.

dumfart66

The 360 project is currently in the black, its MS gaming division as a whole thats in the red (Zune, other elements related). The 360 is doing fine in the market. They arent generating the type of returns Ninty are showing, but they are currently making a profit.

Game On...

Typical, here comes Yellow_Rose again to call my posts 'flamebait'. Whatever you want to call it. You conveniently did that last night in the Ninja Gaiden Sigma thread to avoid making any type of response.

Care to go take care of that business first?

TekkenMaster606

Well, you really are coming off like a fanboy in this thread. I mean, just your overall attitude in your first post is immature and childish. You threw in an :lol: for good measure, apparently. The last two sentences in this otherwise debatable thread reeked of fanboyism. So, honestly, if you want to make a valid point, or carry a reasonable debate, by all means do so. But if you act like this, get used to having the word "fanboy" thrown at you left and right.

[QUOTE="TekkenMaster606"]

Typical, here comes Yellow_Rose again to call my posts 'flamebait'. Whatever you want to call it. You conveniently did that last night in the Ninja Gaiden Sigma thread to avoid making any type of response.

Care to go take care of that business first?

TripleXAlexXx

Well, you really are coming off like a fanboy in this thread. I mean, just your overall attitude in your first post is immature and childish. You threw in an :lol: for good measure, apparently. The last two sentences in this otherwise debatable thread reeked of fanboyism. So, honestly, if you want to make a valid point, or carry a reasonable debate, by all means do so. But if you act like this, get used to having the word "fanboy" thrown at you left and right.

I've been called worse by better users. But honestly, you're just running around calling me names, just like the other user calling my post names.

I love how it's acceptable for all of you to just call me a few names, and then run away. I got your debate right here but I don't see anything except a few sandbox level insults coming my way.

Those companies fail to exist in the console arena today. Both Nintendo and Sony clearly won the generations that they made their debut.

NES - 60 Million

Playstation - 100 Million.

Bad news for you Microsoft, you lost terribly last generation. Feel free to damage control and spin away. I'm awaiting a thousand different reasons why 'It's so different now...' :lol:

TekkenMaster606

Nintendo has a proven track record. Regardless of the bumps in the road they have turned it around and are clearly dominating. Sony's track record is even better. Two machines with 100M+ sales. Now, I don't believe that figure due to hardware issues, I'm sure everyone here in System Wars can determine a number amount that represents 'Playstation rebuys' due to failure. That's fair. But even if you deduct 40 million units from the PS2 that's still a lot of machines.

Here we are, it's 2007. Microsoft has been in the game for nearly six years and I'm just not seeing bright long term implications. While the recent success is a good start it does not prove to me that their future in the console world is imminent victory.

TekkenMaster606

what do you mean the xbox lost just because it didn't sell the most doesn't mean it lost it was bad it still had enough good games to keep people entertain so it wasn't really a failuremastershake575

Well technically, not only did it not sell the most, it lost like 3 billion dollars. If it was competing with the PS2 for sales or market share, then that loss could have been swallowed. But barely beating Nintendo's biggest failure of a console, not even coming close to competing with PS2 sales AND losing billions is a "failure" no matter how you define it.

The only people who make a logical case are those who point out that MS said from day one they were willing to lose money to enter the market. However, I see that as being the same thing as saying MS was willing to risk failure if it gained them marketshare.

[QUOTE="TripleXAlexXx"][QUOTE="TekkenMaster606"]

Typical, here comes Yellow_Rose again to call my posts 'flamebait'. Whatever you want to call it. You conveniently did that last night in the Ninja Gaiden Sigma thread to avoid making any type of response.

Care to go take care of that business first?

TekkenMaster606

Well, you really are coming off like a fanboy in this thread. I mean, just your overall attitude in your first post is immature and childish. You threw in an :lol: for good measure, apparently. The last two sentences in this otherwise debatable thread reeked of fanboyism. So, honestly, if you want to make a valid point, or carry a reasonable debate, by all means do so. But if you act like this, get used to having the word "fanboy" thrown at you left and right.

I've been called worse by better users. But honestly, you're just running around calling me names, just like the other user calling my post names.

I love how it's acceptable for all of you to just call me a few names, and then run away. I got your debate right here but I don't see anything except a few sandbox level insults coming my way.

I don't think there is anything wrong with your debate, and given that I don't love any particular console, I don't really care to defend MS.

I did not call you any names, either. I simply said you were coming off as a fanboy in your OP by the attitude you were using, especially in the last two sentences. I don't think anyone likes being called a fanboy, especially if you don't beleive you are one. So, imore or lesssuggested that if you don't like being called a fanboy, maybe you should change the way you word your posts and address your "audience". The debate is just fine, though.

Here's why its different: Bill Gates wallet.PBSnipes

nope bill will toss the xbox bran as soon as it falls back in the red again zune your about to get another friend

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[QUOTE="gamergeekgeek"]cows think ms is gonna lose when 360 is selling 2 times faster than flopstation3 :lol:Master_Hermes

The Xbox 360 didn't even outsell the Playstation 2 6 of it's first 7 months on the market.

And the Playstation 3 did? buddy, your console is having a tough time beating the GBA's monthly sales.

I swear, your statement is completely ridiculous, It's like laughing at your school rival for getting a C- when you managed an F.

ROFL? Stop speaking please, your embarassing yourself. Check your facts before speaking.

[QUOTE="PBSnipes"][QUOTE="TekkenMaster606"]

[QUOTE="pins_basic"]:lol: Yup, MS is about to go out of business.TekkenMaster606

Yeah, that's right. Why, let's ignore the fact I mentioned 'The console arena'. By no means did I imply a companies console gaming division.

I meant the entire company. :|

Microsoft's gaming division has this whole generation to step up and prove history wrong. Long term is everything.

Here's why its different: Bill Gates wallet.PBSnipes