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#1 NorthlandMan

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I think that it's inevitable that there will have to be competent third party support on the Wii at some point in the future (considering it will soon be the market leader) but when do you think we'll see it? The only third party games coming out this year that have any chance at being good are Nights, No More Heroes and Dragon Quest Swords. Everything else looks like crap. The first party support on the Wii is (as usual) unparalleled but the quality of third party exclusives is still the most important concern as with any console. When do you think that we'll see some serious efforts from developers (other than Sega or grasshopper) on the Wii?

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#2 HeedleGlavin

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There's no way to know if a game that hasn't been released yet has a "chance" at being good or not.

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#3 helium_flash

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Well, Sqare-Enix is supporting the Wii already. They have 2 titles planned and the Wii hasn't even been out 7 months. That's more than the Cube ever got (one game).

Capcom is giving the Wii and exclusive RE game. EA has made a studio dedicated to the Wii.

I think the Wii will have MUCH better 3rd party support this gen. Not as good as the 360's or PS3's, but much, much better than the Cube.

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Well there's No More Heroes, Treasure Island Z, Dragon Quest, Opoona, RE:4 Wiimake, RE: UC, NiGHTS, Boogie, and a few others all as a result of the Wii's success.

It takes more than 6 months to develop a good quality title, and seeing as how the Wii's only been out that long, this is to be expected...

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#5 AvIdGaMeR444

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I think that it's inevitable that there will have to be competent third party support on the Wii at some point in the future (considering it will soon be the market leader) but when do you think we'll see it? The only third party games coming out this year that have any chance at being good are Nights, No More Heroes and Dragon Quest Swords. Everything else looks like crap. The first party support on the Wii is (as usual) unparalleled but the quality of third party exclusives is still the most important concern as with any console. When do you think that we'll see some serious efforts from developers (other than Sega or grasshopper) on the Wii? NorthlandMan

Never. I'm serious. There will never be a serious effort from 3rd party developers for Wii. There is no reason for them to even try. Wii is selling right now even with all of the terrible games on it. There is no incentive, motive, or urgency for 3rd parties to even try. This saddens me...

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next year hopefully

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#7 NorthlandMan

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Well there's No More Heroes, Treasure Island Z, Dragon Quest, Opoona, RE:4 Wiimake, RE: UC, NiGHTS, Boogie, and a few others all as a result of the Wii's success.
It takes more than 6 months to develop a good quality title, and seeing as how the Wii's only been out that long, this is to be expected...
Ganon_919

Be honest though, how many of those titles have the makings of a AAA title. You could argue the case for Nights, Opoona, DQ Swords or No More Heroes. Umbrella Chronicles is a gun survivor game (last i heard), RE4 is a port, boogie will be a great game for casuals but nothing more and Treasure Island Z looks like a "competent" title at best. I have yet to see any third party title on the Wii that has completely blown me away.

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I think that it's inevitable that there will have to be competent third party support on the Wii at some point in the future (considering it will soon be the market leader) but when do you think we'll see it? The only third party games coming out this year that have any chance at being good are Nights, No More Heroes and Dragon Quest Swords. Everything else looks like crap. The first party support on the Wii is (as usual) unparalleled but the quality of third party exclusives is still the most important concern as with any console. When do you think that we'll see some serious efforts from developers (other than Sega or grasshopper) on the Wii? NorthlandMan

Trust me on this answer, NEver ever. It will be a system for Nintendo games only. Maybe a handful of good 3rd party games until they abandon it completely.

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[QUOTE="NorthlandMan"]I think that it's inevitable that there will have to be competent third party support on the Wii at some point in the future (considering it will soon be the market leader) but when do you think we'll see it? The only third party games coming out this year that have any chance at being good are Nights, No More Heroes and Dragon Quest Swords. Everything else looks like crap. The first party support on the Wii is (as usual) unparalleled but the quality of third party exclusives is still the most important concern as with any console. When do you think that we'll see some serious efforts from developers (other than Sega or grasshopper) on the Wii? AvIdGaMeR444

Never. I'm serious. There will never be a serious effort from 3rd party developers for Wii. There is no reason for them to even try. Wii is selling right now even with all of the terrible games on it. There is no incentive, motive, or urgency for 3rd parties to even try. This saddens me...

I disagree... with the games Nintendo will put out, it will take a hell of an effort if devs wanna turn a profit.

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[QUOTE="NorthlandMan"]I think that it's inevitable that there will have to be competent third party support on the Wii at some point in the future (considering it will soon be the market leader) but when do you think we'll see it? The only third party games coming out this year that have any chance at being good are Nights, No More Heroes and Dragon Quest Swords. Everything else looks like crap. The first party support on the Wii is (as usual) unparalleled but the quality of third party exclusives is still the most important concern as with any console. When do you think that we'll see some serious efforts from developers (other than Sega or grasshopper) on the Wii? AvIdGaMeR444

Never. I'm serious. There will never be a serious effort from 3rd party developers for Wii. There is no reason for them to even try. Wii is selling right now even with all of the terrible games on it. There is no incentive, motive, or urgency for 3rd parties to even try. This saddens me...

Be more optimistic. Spiderman 3 turned out pretty good for the Wii.

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#11 proudeskimo

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It should start showing up soon, the true Wii dev kit was just distributed. Not all current 3rd party stuff it bad right now anyway.

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[QUOTE="Ganon_919"]
Well there's No More Heroes, Treasure Island Z, Dragon Quest, Opoona, RE:4 Wiimake, RE: UC, NiGHTS, Boogie, and a few others all as a result of the Wii's success.
It takes more than 6 months to develop a good quality title, and seeing as how the Wii's only been out that long, this is to be expected...
NorthlandMan

Be honest though, how many of those titles have the makings of a AAA title. You could argue the case for Nights, Opoona, DQ Swords or No More Heroes. Umbrella Chronicles is a gun survivor game (last i heard), RE4 is a port, boogie will be a great game for casuals but nothing more and Treasure Island Z looks like a "competent" title at best. I have yet to see any third party title on the Wii that has completely blown me away.

A = good ; AAA = superb... remember that.

Of course no game has blown you away so far, the Wii was home to hand-me-downs and rushed cash-ins. Everybody thought it was a joke. These games being announced are the ones that have the chance to show what the Wii is capable of, regardless of labels.

You can't ignore the devs that have flocked to the Wii recently; it's an impressive list.

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One of the greatest games ever made - Resident Evil 4 - comes out this June, but other than that, I think that the only really big 3rd party games are No More Heroes and Dragon Quest IX.

360 and PS3 kick major ace in the third party domain.

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#14 foxhound_fox

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There's no way to know if a game that hasn't been released yet has a "chance" at being good or not.HeedleGlavin

Perhaps you should show the TC that list in your blog?

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#15 NorthlandMan

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[QUOTE="NorthlandMan"]I think that it's inevitable that there will have to be competent third party support on the Wii at some point in the future (considering it will soon be the market leader) but when do you think we'll see it? The only third party games coming out this year that have any chance at being good are Nights, No More Heroes and Dragon Quest Swords. Everything else looks like crap. The first party support on the Wii is (as usual) unparalleled but the quality of third party exclusives is still the most important concern as with any console. When do you think that we'll see some serious efforts from developers (other than Sega or grasshopper) on the Wii? skbmassive

Trust me on this answer, NEver ever. It will be a system for Nintendo games only. Maybe a handful of good 3rd party games until they abandon it completely.

I would have agreed with you if it wasnt for the DS. But the DS has SPECTACULAR support from third parties. Konami, Squareenix, Bioware, Level 5, EA, Ubisoft, Activision, Namco et al have loads of titles out and in development fr the system

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rarely if ever

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those who say "never" really dont know the industry very well, or ANY industry for that matter. the reason GC didnt have third party support is because of low sales and format. same for N64. well here, its no longer the case. why do we hear announcements on third party devs jumping onboard the wii almost daily? because its selling bad? nope. everybody wants a piece of the cake. and the more games come out (good games or bad games, doesnt matter) the harder it is for the individual games to stand out more and sell. then the devs will have to create quality games to sell them. IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN LIKE THIS. and its already well underway, but we wont all the results until 2008, at least, thats when many of the games will come out, we will probably hear of them eariler.

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#18 AvIdGaMeR444

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[QUOTE="AvIdGaMeR444"]
[QUOTE="NorthlandMan"]I think that it's inevitable that there will have to be competent third party support on the Wii at some point in the future (considering it will soon be the market leader) but when do you think we'll see it? The only third party games coming out this year that have any chance at being good are Nights, No More Heroes and Dragon Quest Swords. Everything else looks like crap. The first party support on the Wii is (as usual) unparalleled but the quality of third party exclusives is still the most important concern as with any console. When do you think that we'll see some serious efforts from developers (other than Sega or grasshopper) on the Wii? Ganon_919

Never. I'm serious. There will never be a serious effort from 3rd party developers for Wii. There is no reason for them to even try. Wii is selling right now even with all of the terrible games on it. There is no incentive, motive, or urgency for 3rd parties to even try. This saddens me...

I disagree... with the games Nintendo will put out, it will take a hell of an effort if devs wanna turn a profit.

3rd party devs most likely still have a residual bad taste left in their mouths from multiplat GameCube games selling much more on Gamecube than Xbox and PS2. 3rd party devs might be scared to sink a lot of money into a game for Wii because they know 1st party software is what drove GameCube sales, and might fear the same thing will happen to Wii. Remember, a lot of 3rd parties abandoned Gamecube for Xbox and PS2. Xbox barely sold more consoles than Gamecube, but people bought 3rd party games on Xbox. Gamecube 3rd party games SOLD HORRIBLY! If anything, 3rd party devs are being very, very careful and putting in MINIMAL EFFORT for Wii titles.

I fully expect a lot of terrible 3rd party games. 3rd party devs are scared to put in the effort given their past history with their games not selling well on Nintendo consoles. Less effort = less money spent for them.

Wii owners have every reason in the world to be concerned about this.

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#19 kansasdude2009

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Check out Wii's 3rd Party here

There is a good amount of support!

[EDIT] Link is fixed....

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#20 HeedleGlavin

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[QUOTE="HeedleGlavin"]There's no way to know if a game that hasn't been released yet has a "chance" at being good or not.foxhound_fox

Perhaps you should show the TC that list in your blog?

Good call. Here's the list of confirmed studio support: A2M Activision Amaze Entertainment AGFRAG AQ Interactive ASNetworks Artdink Atari Atlus Backbone Entertainment BANPRESTO Barking Lizards Blitz Games Buena Vista Games Capcom Cellien Studios Cing Codemasters Compile Heart Conspiracy Entertainment Coresoft Crossbeam Studios D3Publisher Day 1 Edge of Reality eGames Eidos Electronic Arts Eko Emerging Entertainment EPOCH Epyx From Yellow to Orange From Software Gearbox Software Genki Grand Prix Games Grasshopper High Voltage Hudson Ignition Entertainment Interactive Brains Interchannel-Holon IR Gurus JALECO Koei Konami / Kojima Studios Krome Studios Left Field Productions Lucasarts Majesco Marvelous Interactive / Natsume Mastiff Matsuno - Unknown Studio Name Midway Games Milestone MTO Namco Bandai Nippon Ichi Nissimo Neko Entertainment NIBRIS oeFun, Inc Page 44 Papaya Studios Pipeworks Software Planet Moon Studios Pronto Games Pyro Studios Raven Software Red Tribe Route24 SEGA Sensory Sweep Shiny Entertainment Smart Bomb Interactive SNK Spike Square Enix Starfish SD Stormfront Studios Success Taito Take-Two / Rockstar Games Tecmo Telltale Games Terminal Reality The Game Factor THQ TOMY Torus Totally Games Tuna Technologies Twelve Interactive Ubisoft Vicious Cycle Viracious Visions Virtual Toys Vivendi Universal Games, Sierra Online Warner Bros. Interactive Wayforward Wideload Games Yukes Zoonami Here's the list of 3rd party games being released in '07: - Final Fantasy Cystal Chronicles: Crystal Bearers - Sadness - NBA Live Wii - Dragon Quest Swords: The Masked Queen and the Tower of Mirrors - Lost - Marvel Nemesis 2 - The Bigs - Sonic and the Secret Rings - Heatseaker - Blitz: The League - Medal of Honor: Airborne - Prince of Persia Wii - Cooking Mama: Cook Off - Mortal Kombat: Armageddon - Camelot RPG - One Piece: Unlimited Adventure - Super Swing Golf - Blazing Angels: Squadrons of WWII - Mahjong Wii - Swing Golf Panya - Samurai Warriors Wave - Sword of Legendia - Konami RPG - Devil Kings Wii - World Series of Poker - No More Heroes - Tennis Masters - The Sims Wii - Raid over the River - Harvest Moon Heroes - Tiger Woods PGA Tour '07 - Wing Island - Necro-Nesia - Resident Evil: Umbrella Chronicles - Legend of the River King - Mobile Suit Gundam - Bleach - SSX: Blur - The Godfather - TONS of untitled projects that I didn't list - And, of course, unnannounced projects Looking good, indeed.

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Decent third party on the Wii, or on any Nintendo home console?

As far as I've seen, Nintendo's handheld(GBA & DS) gets massive praise & third party support, but their home consoles have always been on the hurting side ever since the N64 days.

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im guessng never.

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#23 foxhound_fox

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Decent third party on the Wii, or on any Nintendo home console?
As far as I've seen, Nintendo's handheld(GBA & DS) gets massive praise & third party support, but their home consoles have always been on the hurting side ever since the N64 days. ScalIywag

Check the bottom of page 2 of this thread.

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[QUOTE="ScalIywag"]Decent third party on the Wii, or on any Nintendo home console?
As far as I've seen, Nintendo's handheld(GBA & DS) gets massive praise & third party support, but their home consoles have always been on the hurting side ever since the N64 days. foxhound_fox

Check the bottom of page 2 of this thread.

I'm still on page 1

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[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"][QUOTE="ScalIywag"]Decent third party on the Wii, or on any Nintendo home console?
As far as I've seen, Nintendo's handheld(GBA & DS) gets massive praise & third party support, but their home consoles have always been on the hurting side ever since the N64 days. ScalIywag

Check the bottom of page 2 of this thread.

I'm still on page 1

Wait a minute, if u mean the list on top of my post, welll then yes of course. I'm glad to see Nintendo gaining the attention of 3rd party devs, for whatever reason attracts them to Nintendo's Wii, it about time they got it right.

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#27 NorthlandMan

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[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"][QUOTE="HeedleGlavin"]There's no way to know if a game that hasn't been released yet has a "chance" at being good or not.HeedleGlavin

Perhaps you should show the TC that list in your blog?

Good call. Here's the list of confirmed studio support: - And, of course, unnannounced projects Looking good, indeed.

yeah, but spewing a list of (mostly unknown) third parties prove nothing. In order for the Wii to actually to prove itself there will need to be a range of third party titles that use the Wiimote in innovative ways, but still provide a significant amount of "bang for your buck". There needs to be some genre defining titles in the vein of Metal Gear Solid 4 or Bishock. So far all i'm seeing is fruity afterthoughts like Dewys Adventure and crappy spinoffs like umbrella chronicles. The only third party stuff that i've seen that is genuinely exciting is no more heroes, nights and project O. Everything else from third parties is just last gen ports or half arsed trash

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#28 HeedleGlavin

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[QUOTE="HeedleGlavin"][QUOTE="foxhound_fox"][QUOTE="HeedleGlavin"]There's no way to know if a game that hasn't been released yet has a "chance" at being good or not.NorthlandMan

Perhaps you should show the TC that list in your blog?

Good call. Here's the list of confirmed studio support: - And, of course, unnannounced projects Looking good, indeed.

yeah, but spewing a list of (mostly unknown) third parties prove nothing. In order for the Wii to actually to prove itself there will need to be a range of third party titles that use the Wiimote in innovative ways, but still provide a significant amount of "bang for your buck". There needs to be some genre defining titles in the vein of Metal Gear Solid 4 or Bishock. So far all i'm seeing is fruity afterthoughts like Dewys Adventure and crappy spinoffs like umbrella chronicles. The only third party stuff that i've seen that is genuinely exciting is no more heroes, nights and project O. Everything else from third parties is just last gen ports or half arsed trash

Yet another board member that dosen't understand the concept of an "opinion". Nice. Nothing from Konami is a "fruity afterthought" - and how do you know UC will be "crappy"? You played it? Please stop presuming that you know what you're talking about. Thanks.

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#29 NorthlandMan

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[QUOTE="HeedleGlavin"] Yet another board member that dosen't understand the concept of an "opinion". Nice. Nothing from Konami is a "fruity afterthought" - and how do you know UC will be "crappy"? You played it? Please stop presuming that you know what you're talking about. Thanks.

It may be an opinion, but it is an educated one. Take dewys adventure for example, it is a pretty standard sort of title with some interesting concepts but the (legitimate) impressions so far seem to indicate it is another title that looks like a GC game from the makers of Elebits. It'll be lucky to be AA, and will probably be forgotten by next year. As for umbrella chronicles, dont get me started. It is destined to be another travesty from crapcom and there is no way it'll come close to the titles in the main series. At the end of the day it's just a lightgun game, point and shoot nothing else. Capcom have screwed fans over by eliminated concepts such as wexploration and puzzle solving, and the rehashed content doesnt look tooa ttractive either. At the end of the day the wiimote is not a lightgun and an on rails shooter will never compare to a proper Resi game. Another nmmediocre title from a mediocre company (and one that's not exactly known for quality lightgun games).

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#30 HeedleGlavin

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[QUOTE="NorthlandMan"][QUOTE="HeedleGlavin"] Yet another board member that dosen't understand the concept of an "opinion". Nice. Nothing from Konami is a "fruity afterthought" - and how do you know UC will be "crappy"? You played it? Please stop presuming that you know what you're talking about. Thanks.

It may be an opinion, but it is an educated one. Take dewys adventure for example, it is a pretty standard sort of title with some interesting concepts but the (legitimate) impressions so far seem to indicate it is another title that looks like a GC game from the makers of Elebits. It'll be lucky to be AA, and will probably be forgotten by next year. As for umbrella chronicles, dont get me started. It is destined to be another travesty from crapcom and there is no way it'll come close to the titles in the main series. At the end of the day it's just a lightgun game, point and shoot nothing else. Capcom have screwed fans over by eliminated concepts such as wexploration and puzzle solving, and the rehashed content doesnt look tooa ttractive either. At the end of the day the wiimote is not a lightgun and an on rails shooter will never compare to a proper Resi game. Another nmmediocre title from a mediocre company (and one that's not exactly known for quality lightgun games).

So, because Dewy's Adventure isn't graphically amazing, it will be lucky to be AA? :|.........:lol: Yea, that's "educated". Say what you want - you're making presumptions. You don't know any of what you just said to be fact. I'm not even a fan of rail shooters - but, I'm not ignorant enough to claim that it will automatically be a bad game. Please educate yourself.

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