When you people blame Nintendo for all the shovelware....

You DO know that it's not actually nintendo making that shovelware....right?

people always blame the makers of the console for a crappy game that comes out...why?

Nintendo is really the only one who are giving the wii quality titles....nintendo made games are why people who have a wii, still have a wii (here at least)

They aren't to blame...it's the lazy 3rd party devs who are using the Wii as a quick buck...they're ruining gaming and giving the wii a bad name...it's not a bad console, i have about 20 games of which i enjoy extremely on the wii, but all people post about and look at are the bad games that are NOT generally made by nintendo

All console makers have a process in which they approve/reject games. Nintendo's is almost non-existent.

The only thing that "Nintendo Saal of Quality" means is that the game is tested to not have any adverse effects on the system, and the devs/publishers have paid the necessary royalty fees for Nintendo to allow the game on their console. The Seal of Quality has nothing to do with quality really...........

if games are gonna sell then of course they won't not approve the game....but it's not like they WON'T approve GREAT games...so again, it's the 3rd party developers

the 3rd parties are making these games, nintendo just approves them....if they didn't it's not like there would magically be better games, there would just be alot LESS games....we're not buying them, so it doesn't matter anyways

Yea, the seal is not a seal of quality but a seal of it wont screw your system up. I heard that if game companies dont approve a game for some reason that they could get sued, I'm probably wrong though

The only reason why Nintendo Consoles have so much shovelware is because this generation they are the most popular. So companies make crappy games that little kids buy and it works.

You just have to learn how to ignore it.

It's not Nintendo's fault, they only approve of the game so Nintendo gets more money...

The only reason why Nintendo Consoles have so much shovelware is because this generation they are the most popular. So companies make crappy games that little kids buy and it works.

You just have to learn how to ignore it.

awssk8er716

exaclty

so i guess people think that it's nintendo fault for being so gosh darn successful...lol

well it IS, but again...it's business and nintendo got the business aspect right and made a great console that appeals to everyone...nintendo is making the great games...but 3rd parties are making the crappy games to cash in on the wii's success, so again...proves my point of all these crappy games NOT being nintendos fault...if it were then they'd make crappy games too

nintendo ruined the mario kart franchise enough said casualized the hell out of it.

nintendo ruined the mario kart franchise enough said casualized the hell out of it.

gamesrdead4200

ummmm...cause they added motion controls?

that's really the only thing i saw different (besides new charcters and tracks)

the new mario is gonna be a joke, miyamoto said if a player has trouble completeing a part in the level the game finish the part for you lol or level some crap.

it sucks miyamoto went down this route.

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nintendo ruined the mario kart franchise enough said casualized the hell out of it.

CDUB316

ummmm...cause they added motion controls?

that's really the only thing i saw different (besides new charcters and tracks)

lol they took out part of the sliding noobified it.

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[QUOTE="gamesrdead4200"]

nintendo ruined the mario kart franchise enough said casualized the hell out of it.

gamesrdead4200

ummmm...cause they added motion controls?

that's really the only thing i saw different (besides new charcters and tracks)

lol they took out part of the sliding noobified it.

lol, not that big of a deal

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the new mario is gonna be a joke, miyamoto said if a player has trouble completeing a part in the level you can play the game finish the part for you lol or level some crap.

it sucks miyamoto went down this route.

CDUB316

OMG...IT'S OPTIONAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

it doesnt matter, they shouldnt be catering to the sucky players and making their level design and gameplay design choices for the sucker players.

I love how people like to pretend there's no shovelware for PSP/PS3/360

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[QUOTE="gamesrdead4200"]

the new mario is gonna be a joke, miyamoto said if a player has trouble completeing a part in the level you can play the game finish the part for you lol or level some crap.

it sucks miyamoto went down this route.

gamesrdead4200

OMG...IT'S OPTIONAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

it doesnt matter, they shouldnt be catering to the sucky players and making their level design and gameplay design choices for the sucker players.

they didn't make the level design more easier for suckier players....that's why they have the OPTION of using assistance

god...ignorant people thinking that because nintendo is going to use this idea to help out people to enjoy games more, that they are going to make games easier......NOOOO...this will ALLOW THEM TO MAKE GAMES HARDER NOW AND NOT TURN CASUALS OFF AT THE SAME TIME!!!

I love how people like to pretend there's no shovelware for PSP/PS3/360

bubnux

lmao...i know

there is plenty

the mario kart on wii wasnt made for the people who grew up playing the game on super nintendo and then nintendo 64 like i did.

they ruined the franchise

the new mario games isnt for the people who grew up playing the crap on nes/snes/nintendo64 like i did lol.

it's all aimed at different crowd it's aimed at the kids just getting into games

Not to mention that Nintendo has got to keep relying & bringing out more on their 1st party software in order to get more people to buy the Wii, & the same with Sony with the PS3. The 360 is doing a good job on it's own.

i mean it's ok to have a few casual games but all focus shouldnt be on the new nintendo console users , but there should be games made for the original nintendo supporters, i grew up playing nes/snes/n64/gamecube i never bought wii because games didnt appeal.

the mario kart on wii wasnt made for the people who grew up playing the game on super nintendo and then nintendo 64 like i did.

they ruined the franchise

the new mario games isnt for the people who grew up playing the crap on nes/snes/nintendo64 like i did lol.

it's all aimed at different crowd it's aimed at the kids just getting into games

gamesrdead4200

did you ever think that maybe your tastes in gaming are just chaning and what you liked then you don't really like now, but dont' realize it because you love a nostalgic feel?

besides....LOTS of people enjoy mario kart wii over double dash....and SMG over SM64....hardcore gamers that is

idk what your talking about though...i feel that these game are still amazing, of course the ones in our past are better, that's just how EVERYTHING is and will always feel to us as we grow up

and just because you didn't like it, doesn't mean they ruined the franchise

nintendo ruined the mario kart franchise enough said casualized the hell out of it.

gamesrdead4200

What are you talking about? They actually made the AI a threat by giving it a brain and real items in Mario Kart Wii.

I love how people like to pretend there's no shovelware for PSP/PS3/360

bubnux

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nintendo ruined the mario kart franchise enough said casualized the hell out of it.

Burning-Sludge

What are you talking about? They actually made the AI a threat by giving it a brain and real items in Mario Kart Wii.

you cant use the analog to slide further anymore,noobified

What do you mean "you people"? O_o

lol it's not just nostalgia the games suck they arent fun like the old games were.

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I love how people like to pretend there's no shovelware for PSP/PS3/360

Communistsheep

What about Teh Xtreme Kool Letterz Communistsheep?

All console makers have a process in which they approve/reject games. Nintendo's is almost non-existent.

What do you mean "you people"? O_o

Bigboi500

Which is the same with all modern console manufacturers. It's actually a good thing, as we shouldn't want someone else telling us what's quality.

Case in point, a lot of people really like "Carnival Games" although it's very clearly shovelware.mattbbpl

Absolutely. They also don't need ten thousand minigame collections as evidenced by Carnival Games 2's much, much worse sales.

Anyway, I do not terribly dread Nintendo telling us what's quality. I dread game journalists telling us what's quality. There's a massive disconnect between the industry and the general public, the latter meaning said companies customers and gaming itself.

so how about you guys hold MS accountable for Fuzion Frenzies, Too Human, Bullet Witch, Vampire Rein

Sony for the Buzz/Singstar/Buzz jr they make, Lair, Two Wolrds (goes for MS too)

or how about you guys hold sony accountable for the PSP having only 9 A/AA games this year (via Metacritic) where as DS has well over 40 nearing 50?

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I love how people like to pretend there's no shovelware for PSP/PS3/360

Communistsheep

oh yea its somehow different coz a bad game like lair, vampire rein, fuzion frenzy, buzz, singstar, is different!

point is: if the game will sell well, and doesn't offend or violate laws ALL console makers will accept it, MS Sony and Nintendo

its a business

none of them are also as bad as the shovelware on PS2, SNES, PC or eventhe iPhone App sstore

[QUOTE="Communistsheep"][QUOTE="bubnux"]

I love how people like to pretend there's no shovelware for PSP/PS3/360

darth-pyschosis

oh yea its somehow different coz a bad game like lair, vampire rein, fuzion frenzy, buzz, singstar, is different!

point is: if the game will sell well, and doesn't offend or violate laws ALL console makers will accept it, MS Sony and Nintendo

its a business

none of them are also as bad as the shovelware on PS2, SNES, PC or eventhe iPhone App sstore

All console makers have a process in which they approve/reject games. Nintendo's is almost non-existent.

Bentham

Yeah, sony and MS never let bad buggy games past their approval proccess.

Nintendo gets blamed for everything.

• Shovelware
• Substantial increase in casual market
• Slight Hardcorez game decline
• SONYs current position
• Broken LCDs
• Starving children
• Hole in the O-Zone

It gets old...

All console makers have a process in which they approve/reject games. Nintendo's is almost non-existent.

Bentham

First, that seal never meant anything other than a game will work on a Nintendo system. Secondly, no company actually "quality tests" games.

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[QUOTE="Communistsheep"] They exists, but atleats the 360 just doesn't have horsez, babyz or some weird game with a the z behind it.siLVURcross

oh yea its somehow different coz a bad game like lair, vampire rein, fuzion frenzy, buzz, singstar, is different!

point is: if the game will sell well, and doesn't offend or violate laws ALL console makers will accept it, MS Sony and Nintendo

its a business

none of them are also as bad as the shovelware on PS2, SNES, PC or eventhe iPhone App sstore

well it was hyped and then gamespot trashed it in its review with what a 4.5?

[QUOTE="siLVURcross"][QUOTE="darth-pyschosis"]

oh yea its somehow different coz a bad game like lair, vampire rein, fuzion frenzy, buzz, singstar, is different!

point is: if the game will sell well, and doesn't offend or violate laws ALL console makers will accept it, MS Sony and Nintendo

its a business

none of them are also as bad as the shovelware on PS2, SNES, PC or eventhe iPhone App sstore

darth-pyschosis

well it was hyped and then gamespot trashed it in its review with what a 4.5?

Nintendo gets blamed for everything.

• Shovelware
• Substantial increase in casual market
• Slight Hardcorez game decline
• SONYs current position
• Broken LCDs
• Starving children
• Hole in the O-Zone

It gets old...

-Oath

Nintendo is to blame for all that stuff!!! Some parents, spend all their money on wiis/games instead of feeding there kids. The little Africa starvation groups don't use that money for africa, but for wiis/games. The hole in the O-Zone layer is Nintendos fault, for all the pollution that it caused because they need to ship like a million Wiis a month!! And a lot of people ruin the O-Zone by going in there car to buy Wii games at a retailer! Nintendo makes me sick :x

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[QUOTE="siLVURcross"] Lair? Shovelware? Must've been the only hyped shovelware game I've heard of.siLVURcross

well it was hyped and then gamespot trashed it in its review with what a 4.5?

Absolutely, the devs put effort into that game, unlike shovelware. It just sucked.

[QUOTE="-Oath"]

Nintendo gets blamed for everything.

• Shovelware
• Substantial increase in casual market
• Slight Hardcorez game decline
• SONYs current position
• Broken LCDs
• Starving children
• Hole in the O-Zone

It gets old...

AmayaPapaya

Nintendo is to blame for all that stuff!!! Some parents, spend all their money on wiis/games instead of feeding there kids. The little Africa starvation groups don't use that money for africa, but for wiis/games. The hole in the O-Zone layer is Nintendos fault, for all the pollution that it caused because they need to ship like a million Wiis a month!! And a lot of people ruin the O-Zone by going in there car to buy Wii games at a retailer! Nintendo makes me sick :x

Yeah! If it's not Nintendo's fault it's News Corp's fault (FOX, FOX NEWS).:lol::P;)

[QUOTE="-Oath"]

Nintendo gets blamed for everything.

• Shovelware
• Substantial increase in casual market
• Slight Hardcorez game decline
• SONYs current position
• Broken LCDs
• Starving children
• Hole in the O-Zone

It gets old...

AmayaPapaya

Nintendo is to blame for all that stuff!!! Some parents, spend all their money on wiis/games instead of feeding there kids. The little Africa starvation groups don't use that money for africa, but for wiis/games. The hole in the O-Zone layer is Nintendos fault, for all the pollution that it caused because they need to ship like a million Wiis a month!! And a lot of people ruin the O-Zone by going in there car to buy Wii games at a retailer! Nintendo makes me sick :x

Nintendo's also changing our health care system! They're socialists! This new upgrade for the wii's is going to decide which elderly people live, and which die!

the mario kart on wii wasnt made for the people who grew up playing the game on super nintendo and then nintendo 64 like i did.

they ruined the franchise

the new mario games isnt for the people who grew up playing the crap on nes/snes/nintendo64 like i did lol.

it's all aimed at different crowd it's aimed at the kids just getting into games

gamesrdead4200

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the mario kart on wii wasnt made for the people who grew up playing the game on super nintendo and then nintendo 64 like i did.

they ruined the franchise

the new mario games isnt for the people who grew up playing the crap on nes/snes/nintendo64 like i did lol.

it's all aimed at different crowd it's aimed at the kids just getting into games

Midnightshade29

Maybe Nintendo does cater to their taste. Bad stories stimulate imagination to fill in the gaping plot holes like this (mushroom kingdom is Italy);). You don't need hyper boosted Teh Grafix when everything isn't different shades of the same color like if it was a first gen pokemon game. If more "mature" games are anything like Cartoon Network's Adult Swim I don't want any.

Console makers, like Nintendo, have a approval process. They don't allow just any and all games to be made for their console. In fact, Nintendo was the first to start this practice. Since the release of the Wii though, they don't seem to be doing it anymore and that's a part of what the other console manufacturers do for their customers: set some kind of minimum standard on games.

That's another thing. Every gen after SNES, nintendo changed their art-style. As soon as it got into 3d and away from 2d sprites most things from them look cutsie and kiddish too me. look at all the wii games, they all use bright rainbow colors, everything is cartoonish, everything! gamesrdead4200

Canyou name a single nintendo made game from the NES/SNES era that wan't cartoony and kiddish?

And I don't know about you, but I'm 26 now and have grown out of silly action or RPG games with poor writing.

Nintendo releases the most adult games around. Brain Age, Wii Sports, Wii Fit, Terris, and so on.

Console makers, like Nintendo, have a approval process. They don't allow just any and all games to be made for their console. In fact, Nintendo was the first to start this practice. Since the release of the Wii though, they don't seem to be doing it anymore and that's a part of what the other console manufacturers do for their customers: set some kind of minimum standard on games.

trakem

False, false, false

nintendo ruined the mario kart franchise enough said casualized the hell out of it.

gamesrdead4200

All they did was take out snaking, which was totally cheap annoying online.