where do we want consoles to go?

this is kind of an indirect response about a comment in another thread about getting console manufacturers to make fully upgradeable consoles......just like a PC (though locked down to only one set of upgrades from one company...consoles dont do competition on the one platform).

so i suppose the question is....is this what we really want? do we want consoles to become like PCs...upgradeable, expandable, modable.....customisable in any way. do we want them to have all the same features and capabilities and so on. do we basically want consoles to be PCs controlled by one manufacturer? and are we willing to pay the price for that (and make no mistake..there will be a price).

or should we be telling the manufacturers to start getting more focused and giving us the best gaming machine they can for 400-500 thats as easy to use as a toaster?

or have they hit a sweet spot? would ppl here be happy if the PS4 was released with just the same non gaming features as the PS3....but more powerful hardware and upgraded online feature?

so yeah....where do we want consoles to go?

Hmm.... I would like more community features (thinking mabye Home might be good though). I think having handhelds being able to play games from your console wirelessly would be cool, I know PS3 does Remote Play , but I want All games and I want the FULL game. I remember somebody said built-in walkthroughs for games, like maybe a built in Game FAQs Search Engine. Mind Control, Motion Control, and Normal control all on one system. Alot of these could be done with a software update though. But you never know where consoles could go next and how that will effect its performance look at Wii with Motion, PS3 with BluRay, and 360 with XBL they all make for very different console experiences, but one thing is for sure is that there will always be fanboys.

Maybe I'm stuck in the past or whatever, but I don't want upgradeable consoles at all, man. Give me ONE sku every 5 years. I don't even like the fact that there's multiple versions of consoles out there.SpaceMountain86

same here

[QUOTE="SpaceMountain86"]Maybe I'm stuck in the past or whatever, but I don't want upgradeable consoles at all, man. Give me ONE sku every 5 years. I don't even like the fact that there's multiple versions of consoles out there.killerfist

same here

That's why theh Wii is the best right?:D (Ido own a Wii even I joke)

or should we be telling the manufacturers to start getting more focused and giving us the best gaming machine they can for 400-500 thats as easy to use as a toaster?

osan0

No extra gimmicks that just add price, no pointless thrive to meet PC graphics which only adds price or makes it unrealiable or inconvenient in any way. I don't want installations, I don't want fans that sound like jet engines, I don't want RROD, I don't want a last gen console with motion controls tacked along, I don't want lite versions of PC games, I don't want ****ing patches.

From a PC gamer's perspective this gen of consoles are the biggest failures ever. I have no desire to get any of them. Last gen was pretty good, but I think N64/PS1 era is where it's at. Streamlined gaming machines for cheap price that play a variety of console games and not only FPS and RPG I can already get on PC.

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or should we be telling the manufacturers to start getting more focused and giving us the best gaming machine they can for 400-500 thats as easy to use as a toaster?

mr_mozilla

No extra gimmicks that just add price, no pointless thrive to meet PC graphics which only adds price or makes it unrealiable or inconvenient in any way. I don't want installations, I don't want fans that sound like jet engines, I don't want RROD, I don't want a last gen console with motion controls tacked along, I don't want lite versions of PC games, I don't want ****ing patches.

From a PC gamer's perspective this gen of consoles are the biggest failures ever. I have no desire to get any of them. Last gen was pretty good, but I think N64/PS1 era is where it's at. Streamlined gaming machines for cheap price that play a variety of console games and not only FPS and RPG I can already get on PC.

While I agree with you that the N64/PS1 era was the best, by no means is this era a failure.

Maybe I'm stuck in the past or whatever, but I don't want upgradeable consoles at all, man. Give me ONE sku every 5 years. I don't even like the fact that there's multiple versions of consoles out there.SpaceMountain86

Personally, I don't mind extra skus, it just they should release them at a far slower pace.

I really don't see upgradable hardware happening at all...in fact I think as time goes on hardware will become less and less important in favor of services and software features. Kinda like how LIVE and Marketplace are such an important part of the 360.Teufelhuhn

yea i agree. with multiplat becoming more and more of a factor, i think any extra umph advantage one console may have over another will be made mostly redundant next gen and the gen after and the things that will differentiate the consoles will be the exclusives, the software and the services.

but should consoles be used for such things (that are not games related) or should we be looking to different devices for that (either dedicated set top boxes or media center PCs) to provide say, a download movie service?

hehe...just had an interesting thought about building the guts of a console into a telly (an open standard console) and games being pushed down dinternet into the telly. a long ways away if it ever happens mind.

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or should we be telling the manufacturers to start getting more focused and giving us the best gaming machine they can for 400-500 thats as easy to use as a toaster?

mr_mozilla

No extra gimmicks that just add price, no pointless thrive to meet PC graphics which only adds price or makes it unrealiable or inconvenient in any way. I don't want installations, I don't want fans that sound like jet engines, I don't want RROD, I don't want a last gen console with motion controls tacked along, I don't want lite versions of PC games, I don't want ****ing patches.

From a PC gamer's perspective this gen of consoles are the biggest failures ever. I have no desire to get any of them. Last gen was pretty good, but I think N64/PS1 era is where it's at. Streamlined gaming machines for cheap price that play a variety of console games and not only FPS and RPG I can already get on PC.

although i wouldnt go as far as to say that this gen is a failure...i do agree with ure post. my fav era is also that time. alot of top quality on the consoles and, imho, the PCs finest hour.

another thing i miss about the consoles is the fact that they dont really change anymore (wii being the excpetion this gen). one of the greatest strengths of the consoles is that every 5 years its a fresh start. everything is new again. mistakes that were made on the previous console could be fixed. things could be added or changed from gen to gen and there would be no worries about game support because the changes would be standard. this is something that even nintendo forgot for a time and its a terrible shame. the PS controller is based on 15 year old design principals. that shouldnt have happened.

the manufacturers this gen, for whatever reason, are no longer taking that opportunity to improve and redefine and change in any massive way. its like there afraid to challenge gamers with somethign new, fresh and different. thats a terrible shame imho.

this fresh start advantage is something the PC, great platform that it is, doesent have. its an iterative platform. although many companies try out new controllers and new technologies on the PC (like motion sensative controller), its flat out impossible to make any major headway on the platform in that regard. the technology changes at a huge rate on the PC and theres always something new to try.....but at the end of the day PC gamers will return to the mouse and keyboard and PC game developers will always back it first and foremost. the way PC gamers play their games hasnt changed in 20 years.

consoles have gone from joysticks with 1 button too simple pads to pads with shoulder buttons that are comfy to sticks and rumble and now a motion sensative controller with a pointer.

They should never have upgrades for game consoles, except for the HDD. Have upgrades like a PC would cause all kinds of problems, just like the PC games have.

It would be interesting if Nintendo, Sony & Microsoft got together and made ONE CONSOLE. It contained everything each company wanted in a game console. Hardware and 3rd party sales would be split 3 ways. That would be insane. There would be like 25-35 titles coming out every month for one system. I wouldn't know what to do with myself.

Where do I want consoles to go? Down in price. In NZ, the 360 is about right considering the hardware. The PS3 is a joke, at almost twice the price.

In the long run, I want to see something more like DirectX and Games for Windows standardisation, eventually leading to the option of developers making games that will run on several platforms with different configurations, sort of like with PC games, but obviously there'd only be 2 hardware specs to consider, not 1490075297507295025.

this is kind of an indirect response about a comment in another thread about getting console manufacturers to make fully upgradeable consoles......just like a PC (though locked down to only one set of upgrades from one company...consoles dont do competition on the one platform).

so i suppose the question is....is this what we really want? do we want consoles to become like PCs...upgradeable, expandable, modable.....customisable in any way. do we want them to have all the same features and capabilities and so on. do we basically want consoles to be PCs controlled by one manufacturer? and are we willing to pay the price for that (and make no mistake..there will be a price).

or should we be telling the manufacturers to start getting more focused and giving us the best gaming machine they can for 400-500 thats as easy to use as a toaster?

or have they hit a sweet spot? would ppl here be happy if the PS4 was released with just the same non gaming features as the PS3....but more powerful hardware and upgraded online feature?

so yeah....where do we want consoles to go?

osan0

Maybe I'm stuck in the past or whatever, but I don't want upgradeable consoles at all, man. Give me ONE sku every 5 years. I don't even like the fact that there's multiple versions of consoles out there.SpaceMountain86

I agree with you 100%. When multiple SKUs exist after I purchase my console, I always feel like I could've gotten the better version for almost the same price.

Just makes me regret buying things early. I'd rather them make one SKU with everything provided.

I wouldn't mind upgradable consoles as long as the manufacturers make it clear how often the upgrades will be released and how much they will cost before the console is released. Also, there would have to be some way to make it apply to almost all games on the system, not just new ones that were designed to be compatible with it.

In other words, if you told me 3yrs into the life of the PS4/720 I could get an upgrade that was easy to install and doubled my gfx power, I would bite.

Still, it's dangerous letting console users attempt to install upgrades, let alone the fact that opening your system usually results in your warranty being voided. N64 did a good job with the 4MB Expansion Pak. If that thing would have upgraded all/most N64 games then it would have been a massive success.

Where do I want consoles to go? lesse...

Nintendo's making some interesting moves here. Check out this trailer for their upcoming game.

Maybe I'm stuck in the past or whatever, but I don't want upgradeable consoles at all, man. Give me ONE sku every 5 years. I don't even like the fact that there's multiple versions of consoles out there.SpaceMountain86

same i don't want to buy a console find out there is new hardware and go out and buy it. that would kind of mean the company would be getting even more money as they come out with more hardware. i do kind of want more custom consoles, like led lights or something. i don't like having skins they look bad and faceplates. i just want upgraded consoles every 5 or 6 years.

i also want mod support and more community. pc gaming i have to say has the best community. they have people who come out with mods for games and have more people playing. i think on consoles when a sequal comes out everyone goes to the new version to lay online. with pc they have people still palying the fist one.

I absolutely don't believe that consoles should be upgradable. The main advantage of a console is that every game made for your system is optimized for it for the life of the console and will run the same as everyone else who owns your platform. If you want upgradable go with a PC. Console users don't want the same comptibility issues that PC people have to deal with. It defeats the purpose of having a console.

I absolutely don't believe that consoles should be upgradable. The main advantage of a console is that every game made for your system is optimized for it for the life of the console and will run the same as everyone else who owns your platform. If you want upgradable go with a PC. Console users don't want the same comptibility issues that PC people have to deal with. It defeats the purpose of having a console.

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