Where I'm at With the Console v.s. PC Graphics Debate

Graphics are important, but not vital to make a great game.

Don't believe the hype.

The cheap boxes that hook up to TV in 8 seconds do a fine job of playing games.

In most cases almost as good as PC.

And it leaves your PC for actual WORK or using Linux full-time.

You don't have to upgrade as often and can just use an old PC to do everything you normally do, while comfortably couch-gaming for years without touching a thing.

PC is a little better but alot more hassle in terms of "life style" for one thing you MUST run Windows, also I don't like having games next to my work.

I like being able to run any OS I want, and getting solid work done, and still be able to plop down on the couch and game.

It's pure convenience.

I used to think that there isn't much difference b/w the console and pc graphics of Crysis 2 when I had not seen the game running on consoles.

Then I saw some screenshots and finally the game running on a 360.The difference blew my mind.

NEVER use youtube videos to compare graphics.NEVER.

The trouble is you are comparing them in a youtube video. Go get a ps3 or 360 after playing on pc and it will seem as though someone took a dump on you TV. 720p 30fps (at least for me on the PS3).

And you can't really compare games like crysis 2, BF3 maxed out at 60fps to their console counterparts. Its a huge difference.

I've got nothing against consoles but the tech is pretty old and their games are showing it technically. But its not about the graphics, my favorite game this gen is Dark Souls--by a mile.

Everyone knows PC will never be as powerful as console.

pc gaming isnt just about better graphics.

That is a small part of what makes pc gaming great. To me and i think to alot of pc gamers pc gaming stands for freedom of choice.

Its great knowing after i finish skyrim i will start installing some of those great mods and its also great to know bathesda will release the creation kit so anyone can get into modding skyrim.

It's also the freedom of choice when comes to controllers. ( besides my kb+m i can use my old ps2 gamepad or that new logitech gamepad i bought )

Finally its about gaming experiences you cant find on consoles. Games like Total War series or Sins of a solar empire or kings bounty or some of those amazing indie games like ( like Aaaaaa a total disregard for gravity ) Finally is about the ability to play nearly every game i own on Pc since 1992 when i started buying pc games

I don't see much difference either, and I jump from console to PC (and occassionally handhelds) all the time. The difference is there, but it's not significant enoughin my experience to hamper my enjoyment of the game, despite some posters making console settings out to be an unplayable mess.

Using Youtube videos to compare graphic capabilities of paltforms. The classic way to parade in SW proudly sporting a t-shirt with "I'm an ignorant idiot" written on it.

Even in those games, the difference is amazing. Try to actually see the games running for real, and leave youtube videos to imbeciles.

never use videos to compare, screenshots are better

http://youtu.be/o921p4TIzH4 I started watching comparisons like the one above (of Skyrim) today showing the difference between PS3, Xbox 360 and PC. I'm sure everyone is ready for me to start hating away on console graphics since this is coming from a pretty dedicated PC gamer. Yet, I have to admit...I watched the Crysis 2 comparison as well as the Battlefield 3 comparison and to be honest, my dedication to fighting for PC domination has somewhat waned. I watched many other videos and other than Anti-aliasing and slightly better textures, there wasn't that HUGE of a difference. Sure, lack of AA does bother me but certainly not bad enough to completely lose interest in a game system. I certainly won't be stopping the love my N64 still gets in large amounts. True, 100% of why PC games aren't much further along graphically is because developers don't want to spend the money to make PC exclusive graphics features. The Witcher 2, Skyrim, Battlefield 3, these are some of the only games that pop to my head that have significantly different graphics. What do you all think about it?lordlunch2

Here is a better test:

I'm using my PC on a monitor, right behind which is a PS3 and 55" LCD.

My PC is at least 10x better image fideltiy among other attributres from resolution, fps, textures, effects, sound, AA, controls and on and on.

You literally CANNOT use youtube to see the difference, you are basically proposing an experiment using handicapped 3rd party data.

I'm using first party real time data, and can tell you that not only are you wrong, you are also missing out ...

Get a PC larry.

You used youtube videos.:lol:

Playing them yourself is much, much better and will blow you away.

The gaming world would be a better place if everyone owned a Gaming capable PC.

Really? You are going to use youtube videos to compare..?

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This.

Consolites have a habit of comparing youtube videos, photos lower than 1280x720, and bullshots with PC games.

Here is a better test:

I'm using my PC on a monitor, right behind which is a PS3 and 55" LCD.

My PC is at least 10x better image fideltiy among other attributres from resolution, fps, textures, effects, sound, AA, controls and on and on.

You literally CANNOT use youtube to see the difference, you are basically proposing an experiment using handicapped 3rd party data.

I'm using first party real time data, and can tell you that not only are you wrong, you are also missing out ...

Get a PC larry.

haberman13

yeah, especially when fools like GT record the PC version in 720p and say they have DX11 enabled on Dirt 3 when they simply didnt

[QUOTE="haberman13"]

Here is a better test:

I'm using my PC on a monitor, right behind which is a PS3 and 55" LCD.

My PC is at least 10x better image fideltiy among other attributres from resolution, fps, textures, effects, sound, AA, controls and on and on.

You literally CANNOT use youtube to see the difference, you are basically proposing an experiment using handicapped 3rd party data.

I'm using first party real time data, and can tell you that not only are you wrong, you are also missing out ...

Get a PC larry.

HaloinventedFPS

yeah, especially when fools like GT record the PC version in 720p and say they have DX11 enabled on Dirt 3 when they simply didnt

Ugh I hate Gametrailers, Micheal Patcher is the worst... He thought MW3 should of won game of the year simply based on how it sold............

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[QUOTE="haberman13"]

Here is a better test:

I'm using my PC on a monitor, right behind which is a PS3 and 55" LCD.

My PC is at least 10x better image fideltiy among other attributres from resolution, fps, textures, effects, sound, AA, controls and on and on.

You literally CANNOT use youtube to see the difference, you are basically proposing an experiment using handicapped 3rd party data.

I'm using first party real time data, and can tell you that not only are you wrong, you are also missing out ...

Get a PC larry.

vtoshkatur

yeah, especially when fools like GT record the PC version in 720p and say they have DX11 enabled on Dirt 3 when they simply didnt

Ugh I hate Gametrailers, Micheal Patcher is the worst... He thought MW3 should of won game of the year simply based on how it sold............

MW3 is mod of the year, its the best mod for MW2 by far... well the only mod, since Activision removed mod tools after COD4

I find console graphics adequate enough. But, given a choice, I still prefer the cleaner look of PC games with AA and AF enabled. Having AA and AF allow very fine details like cables, railings, etc to be included in the game. Without AA, such fine details turn into a jagged mess. I like the UC games because there are spots in those games which have very nice and ornate detailing. But, their impact sometimes get toned down because of lower res and low-level AA use.

An example is the cabling in this Sea Otter aircraft in FSX. Without AA + higher res, the cabling would be a bunch of staircases:

It's also why I'm looking to see what the next-gen consoles have to offer. it could turn out to be very interesting.

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[QUOTE="HaloinventedFPS"]

yeah, especially when fools like GT record the PC version in 720p and say they have DX11 enabled on Dirt 3 when they simply didnt

HaloinventedFPS

Ugh I hate Gametrailers, Micheal Patcher is the worst... He thought MW3 should of won game of the year simply based on how it sold............

MW3 is mod of the year, its the best mod for MW2 by far... well the only mod, since Activision removed mod tools after COD4

You're right, I didn't even think of it this way. MW3 is fantastic when it comes to mods! Still there were some way better Oblivion mods that came out this year so IDK, It might have trouble competing against the likes of Nehrim and Oblivion Graphics Extenderv3 =P

[QUOTE="haberman13"]

Here is a better test:

I'm using my PC on a monitor, right behind which is a PS3 and 55" LCD.

My PC is at least 10x better image fideltiy among other attributres from resolution, fps, textures, effects, sound, AA, controls and on and on.

You literally CANNOT use youtube to see the difference, you are basically proposing an experiment using handicapped 3rd party data.

I'm using first party real time data, and can tell you that not only are you wrong, you are also missing out ...

Get a PC larry.

HaloinventedFPS

yeah, especially when fools like GT record the PC version in 720p and say they have DX11 enabled on Dirt 3 when they simply didnt

A console is made for gaming. A PC is not. It's quite obvious a console will have better graphics qualities running at 1080p ULTRA.

A console is made for gaming. A PC is not. It's quite obvious a console will have better graphics qualities running at 1080p ULTRA.

mAArdman

My PC is made for gaming. So are a lot of other peoples. Why would you ever think otherwise?

A console is made for gaming. A PC is not. It's quite obvious a console will have better graphics qualities running at 1080p ULTRA.

mAArdman

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A console is made for gaming. A PC is not. It's quite obvious a console will have better graphics qualities running at 1080p ULTRA.

mitu123

[QUOTE="mAArdman"]

A console is made for gaming. A PC is not. It's quite obvious a console will have better graphics qualities running at 1080p ULTRA.

mitu123

I didn't even see that last part of his post. LOL not even the most ignorant of consolites say that consoles have better graphics or that their games even run at 1080p let alone ultra. Either were falling for something or this goes down as the most brain dead post I've read here.

Skyrim itself is not a game to make a graphical comparison with. Despite the landscapes looking pleasant enough it is graphically not a very advanced or impressive game. There are a lot of limitations on that game engine graphically because of its scale.

The disparity between consoles and the PC graphically is vast on a game with impressive graphics. 720p uses half as many pixels as 1080p, the blur hurts my eyes.

A console is made for gaming. A PC is not. It's quite obvious a console will have better graphics qualities running at 1080p ULTRA.

mAArdman

Let's all hope for your sake that this post was an attempt at comedy.

Some facts:

- high-end PCs obliterate consoles in hardware while low-end ones may not

- multi-plats are almost always better on the PC (and if they're not they can become so with mods)

- the technical side of graphics is objective while the artistic side is subjective

- what are good graphics is in the eyes of the beholder

[QUOTE="mAArdman"]

A console is made for gaming. A PC is not. It's quite obvious a console will have better graphics qualities running at 1080p ULTRA.

iamrob7

Let's all hope for your sake that this post was an attempt at comedy.

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[QUOTE="mAArdman"]

A console is made for gaming. A PC is not. It's quite obvious a console will have better graphics qualities running at 1080p ULTRA.

mAArdman

Let's all hope for your sake that this post was an attempt at comedy.

phew! had us going there for a while

1. Videos are awful for comparison.

2. One of the complaints about CE3 is that games don't get progressively prettier/uglier as you scale the settings (at least within the same DX version). This is because CE3 doesn't disable graphical effects. Pair that with YouTube video quality and its no surprise that there isn't much of a difference.

Skyrim, Crysis 2, and to the end of BF3, consoles were the main platform.SaltyMeatballs

Crysis 2 has no main platform.

phew! had us going there for a while

omenodebander

Thanks for the video, SW needs more real comparison like this. I'm also a proud owner of a gaming PC, 3DS, Wii and PS3 and the difference between my PC and PS3 isn't much, especially running the game in motion as oppose to doctored still-screenshots.

A pretty dedicated PC gamer with a mario avatar and who needs to look at compressed low frame rate videos on the internet for comparisons. Sounds like you are lieing to me. :)

Anyway, the graphics on multiplats arent that superior on compressed videos that dont even show the game running at max resolution or max frames you are right. However even in those videos the PC versions are still noticably superior, and due to way PC tech always gets better while consoles are stuck being what they are for 6 or so years, they likely always will be no matter what generation of consoles we are talking about.

Thanks for the video, SW needs more real comparison like this. I'm also a proud owner of a gaming PC, 3DS, Wii and PS3 and the difference between my PC and PS3 isn't much, especially running the game in motion as oppose to doctored still-screenshots.

Click_Clock

Play Crysis 1 on PC and then PS3 and see how different it is.

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[QUOTE="mAArdman"]

A console is made for gaming. A PC is not. It's quite obvious a console will have better graphics qualities running at 1080p ULTRA.

mAArdman

Let's all hope for your sake that this post was an attempt at comedy.

I apologised? Why would I do such a thing? Hard feelings? For what? Did something happen? I must have missed it.

Anyway regarding the satire, I think it would benefit by using a little more hyperbole. Amazingly your satire is in fact more of a direct representation of many a view I have seen on these forums. The balance between comedy and reality is a tenuous one when you are trying to be satirical.

You can't judge graphics from youtube.

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[QUOTE="iamrob7"]

Let's all hope for your sake that this post was an attempt at comedy.

iamrob7

I apologised? Why would I do such a thing? Hard feelings? For what? Did something happen? I must have missed it.

Anyway regarding the satire, I think it would benefit by using a little more hyperbole. Amazingly your satire is in fact more of a direct representation of many a view I have seen on these forums. The balance between comedy and reality is a tenuous one when you are trying to be satirical.

The problem is you are using small youtube videos to "look" for a difference. If you actually play a game on max on a 20-24+ monitor and then the console version, you will notice a HUGE difference, especially in BF3.

Most games look noticably better, but not too much better. Some games however, (cryssi2, bf3, skyrim with mods) do look way better.

Again, youtube comparison's don't tell the whole truth. I know, I have all systems.

Don't believe the hype.

The cheap boxes that hook up to TV in 8 seconds do a fine job of playing games.

In most cases almost as good as PC.

And it leaves your PC for actual WORK or using Linux full-time.

You don't have to upgrade as often and can just use an old PC to do everything you normally do, while comfortably couch-gaming for years without touching a thing.

PC is a little better but alot more hassle in terms of "life style" for one thing you MUST run Windows, also I don't like having games next to my work.

I like being able to run any OS I want, and getting solid work done, and still be able to plop down on the couch and game.

It's pure convenience.

LazySloth718

This sounds almost word for word like ZombieKiller