Which console unperformed the most?

Of all the consoles ever made, which one UNDERPERFORMED the most? I'm talking in terms of their technical power.

My vote has to be PS3 and The Cell. The true power of The Cell was never unlocked, so we have yet to see it's true form. Sony spent billions trying to design it as a supercomputer which could handle 4d 120fps in true 4k, so for it to come up so short is pretty disappointing.

Bahahahahaha. If only they succeeded.

The Xbox 360, it was so bad at performing they kept breaking.

I think they were just used to much in comparison to PS3 and other consoles at the time, it just seems like they were breaking more often.

Xbox 360 without a doubt. MS lost billions due to faulty hardware

@harnessthepower: try trolling better. There were high quantities of 360's RRoD'ing hours upon first running. No such thing as being "used to much". I know a lot of people who used their NES "too much" and they still work to this day.

I'm amused by how each thread the OP starts works so hard to make "Yay Microsoft! Boo Sony!" the only possible answer, and still gets the opposite result each time,

@kjtc1979: justa painfully obvious, bad troll.

How are we supposed to take Xbox fans seriously in this age when it ultimately boils down to Xbox trollfans nowadays?

How is this trolling? I am asking for everyone's own personal opinion. My opinion is PS3 due to how much their missed on their promises.

@harnessthepower: The Saturn - it was far higher in spec than the PS1 but it was too hard to program for (apparently).

@harnessthepower: Every thread you make is about Microsoft the benevolent and Sony the miserable failure. Yet you end up reinforcing Microsoft's weaknesses and Sony's strengths each time. Quite inadvertently. Quite hilariously.

@harnessthepower: you are now giving a typical pseudo-oblivious defense response when you have been called out as a troll. Characteristic 1: your defense only in relevance to the current thread you made acting like it's all one innocent thread post.

People have the ability to take a full retrospective look at your posting history to see exactly what your ulterior-motive is. So no worries I think most people already know you are by now.

So much this

I don't understand how I make Sony look good and Microsoft bad. Sony isn't a horrible company, but they don't innovate and the only thing they have on their side is more exclusives. Microsoft takes changes, and while they don't always nail it, they push the industry forward.

My posts are based on facts. Sure, I will sometimes use hyperbole to spice up the discussion, but at it's core I bring good topics to the table.

@harnessthepower: "I bring good topics to the table."

Lol

And that is all.

That's some damage controlling there.

No, the xbox 360 were heavily flawed hardware.

360

I think the 2bil+ lost kind of seals it for the 360

PS4 Pro... has 8.4. TFLOPS FP16 bounded by 218 GB/s physical memory bandwidth.

Remember, AMD GCN's 8 ACE units acts like CELL's 7 SPEs. Sony has ported their SPE middle-ware to GCN's ACE units.

Compute Engine to L2 cache (2 MB in size) path is the only method for PS4 Pro's high TFLOPS usage. Tile render to 2MB L2 cache via Compute Engine would render the game engine incompatible with PS4 which doesn't have 2 MB L2 cache. PS4's legacy support is gimping PS4 Pro.

CELL's 200 GFLOPS / 25 GBps external memory bandwidth = 8 GFLOPS per 1 GBps

PS4 Pro's 8400 GFLOPS Fp16 / 218 GBps external memory bandwidth = 38 GFLOPS per 1 GBps. The GPU TFLOPS growth has outpaced the memory bandwidth growth.

PS4 Pro's 4200 GFLOPS Fp32 / 218 GBps external memory bandwidth = 19 GFLOPS per 1 GBps. The GPU TFLOPS growth has outpaced the memory bandwidth growth.

AMD smashed IBM's FLOPS marketing game i.e. AMD offers a lot of TFLOPS for cheaper $$$.

None can beat Playstation 3 on that.

... Epic on paper , disaster in action.

That's why all them get locked. The mods can't handle the fucking quality of your epic posts. Let make the thread even better.

Programming SPE is similar to programming AMD ACE units.

The major differences are;

1. AMD's 8 ACE units has one big (2 MB for PS4 Pro) and fast unified L2 cache while 7 SPEs has 256 KB separate local memory pool per SPE. Sharing data with AMD GPU's L2 cache is easier.

2. AMD's L2 cache has both manual and automatic cache mode while SPE's local memory pool only has manual mode.

3. Each AMD CU has local memory data storage (LDS) and L1 instruction/ data cache. SPE only has 256 KB separate local memory pool as mentioned in point 1.

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On NVIDIA Maxwell/Pascal, tiling render to L2 cache is automatic i.e. NVIDIA's "smart" driver converts normal immediate mode rendering into tile cache render. NVIDIA's tiling render to L2 cache is applicable for both Compute Engine and Pixel Engine while current AMD GPUs only has Compute Engine to L2 cache feature.

Vega has both Compute Engine and Pixel Engine connected to L2 cache just like NVIDIA's Maxwell/Pascal.

Wii U's CPU is crap. IBM didn't keep PowerPC G3 updated with modern 128 bit SIMD features.

IBM's customer can either select PowerPC A2 (similar to PPE in-order processing) with optional SIMD units (hence extra cost) or PowerPC 970/G5 which is not a laptop chip.

IBM didn't offer low power consumption out-of-order PowerPC G3 with 128 bit SIMD aka Motorola/Freescale/NXP's PowerPC G4.

Wii U's PowerPC 64bit SIMD extension is custom and it's NOT compatible with the PowerPC 's normal VMX/Altivec SIMD extensions, hence it's dead end for Wii U's custom SIMD instruction set.

AMD's Jaguar is effectively slightly cut-down K8 with out-of-order and 128bit SIMD (up to AVX support**) extensions. AMD's K8 competes against PowerPC G5.

**256bit AVX SIMD runs 2 cycle pass on Jaguar's 128 bit AVX SIMD units.

Propaganda?

I figured it was something nonsensical and stupid. Thanks for the confirmation.

You guys really need to look up what UNDERPERFORMED means! IMO it has to be the PS3, Sony promised way more that it delivered.

The BS3 of course, duel 1080P at 120 fps in 4D super computer. lolol

@harnessthepower:

"I think they were just used to much"

Why do people defend the RROD?

It amazes me people defend this crap. It's ridiculous.

You may very well be correct.

I really think the best answer is the Atari Jaguar.

The Wii U, Saturn, Dreamcast, Turbo Grafx were all under performing, and considered sales failures, but they all at least had some good games.

The Atari Jaguar had nothing. I think it had a good port of Doom and that was it. It's a horrible console without any games and it sold bad.

Hands down, the PS3 because it failed to out perform it's predecessor the PS2. Remember folks, the PS2 was the most dominant console at the time and before the next gen began everyone thought the PS3 would slaughter Nintendo and bury Xbox to the ground. Welp, reality came and the PS3 failed to do both. The PS3 was and is the biggest failure and embarrassment for the company. The Xbox brand is now here to stay and Nintendo continues to strive.

The PS3 is still a failure now because their fans, mostly fans in here don't even want to bring those PS3 games on the PS4 because they say things like they don't want to play last gen games. It's easy to understand because they just want to forget about the past, they want to forget about the PS3. Hands down, the PS3. Xbox 360 did better than the first Xbox, Wii did better than the last Nintendo, PS3 not so much as it failed all expectations. People rather buy another 360 if it broke than get a PS3. So hands down, PS3.

On a technical level I'd say that the Dreamcast underperformed, it wasn't on the market long enough for developers to tap its full potential.

Sales wise I'd say that it was the Neo Geo. a kick ass system that wasn't offered at many stores and the cartridges were pretty pricey.

Wrong actually. Microsoft guaranteed 1 billion to repair all consoles with the problem and replace. There is know evidence Microsoft ended up paying 1 billion or more?

The failure rate was about 10+ per cent it only lasted 2 years. It started in 2005 and was fixed by mid 2007

The Wii was embarrassingly underpowered compared to the 360/PS3, so there's that.

Technical power it would be PS3.

I think MS messed up way more this gen though. Microsoft was poised to have best generation ever, and they come out and talked about TV?

Design choice's MS fucked up more.

Only retarded lems do it, so there you go.

Xbox 360. Freaking thing kept dying. Bought 4 consoles of that crap.

@pdogg93:

That's nothing compared to what Sony lost on ps3

Exactly it was never even that bad. Sony paid the figures to be slanted against Microsoft. Real RROD figures were not that bad. Oh and RROD was fully covered by Microsoft's love as a company. Nintendo and Sony refuse to give such excellent customer service.

Added to the RROD haters' ignorance is turning a blind eye to the YLOD which I hear was programmed by Sony to break after the warranty ended so they could milk their customers of more money.

This is not fanboy wars... Although lemmings are considered to be the most desirable, smartest, etc. of the bunch. Not trying to insult anyone. You can always become a lem. So a retarded lemming is still 5 IQ points ahead of the smartest of the other bunch.

360 released 2005 and finished production in 2014., i believe? Thats 9 years of sales. Red ring was a 2 year issue. New models of the 360 starting coming out late 2007 or early 2008

Thanks for proving my point.

None, because you can't "unperform" anything.

Though I wish I could "unpost" 99% of your threads.

@jaydan: um the 72 pin connector always seem to go bad but thats from being old and to much wear

Xbox 360. Is not from to much use as my unit stopped working only 3 mos after purchase and at the time I was still using my game cube and Xbox original more

So either way

My opinion is the Sega Saturn no real Sonic game and worst of all retail stores like KB toys refused to carry anything related to it because Sega decided to release it the same day They announced it