Which fall from grace was worse? Tony Hawk or Sonic (or something else)?

Part of me wants to say Sonic because his games have seemed to be made in a fail factory for what has now been a pretty good chunk of time.

But another part of me wants to say Tony Hawk because Sonic's descent into Failand has seemed to be somewhat gradual whereas the Tony Hawk went from being a "getting-stale-but-still-decent franchise" to a complete joke with the release of a single game (Tony Hawk: Ride).

Also, IMO, Sonic Unleashed's daytime levels were a step in the right direction. Yes, it's true that the horrible Werehog levels and overworld ruined the game, but still...good daytime levels and crap night levels is better than navigating dull overly stripped-down levels with a broken peripheral.

Then there is the matter of Tony Hawk once getting an AAAA score. That just makes Ride's reception seem all that much more hilariously failicious.

But then one must consider that Sonic 06 promoted beastiality, which is probably the lowest depth a once powerful mascot can sink to.

Damn, this is hard....:?

BTW, sorry for not including an "other" option in the poll. I accidently submitted the post too early.

Hmmm. I think Sonic is the worst. From the glory Megadrive days of the rivalry with Mario, to the current days of putting out crap game after crap game, on the same platform as Mario Galaxy no less..... You know Mario and Nintendo are smiling smugly while Sonic weeps..... Tony Hawks I never had any interest in. But at least Skate has come along to pick up that series slack. There's no real alternative for the Sonic fan...locopatho

Good point, though Sonic fans can get their fix if they are willing to play handheld Sonic games.

Hopefully Sonic 4 will be good.

THPS 2 was and still is one of my favourite games of all time. It was the chief contributor to me almost failing grade 5. Never really liked Sonic a lot. I think that statement will tell you not only where I stand with this topic, but also how much I want to bomb Activision right now.funsohng

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I played tons of Tony Hawk 2 back in the day as well. TBH, I liked 2 better than 3. I guess it just wowed me more.

Also, Sonic might be handing the fail torch to Tony Hawk.

Remember how hard-headed Sega was with Sonic, and how they kept devoteing huge amount of playtime to lame friends and slow sluggish characters that were anti-thetical to Sonic's fast gameplay.

Well now that Sega is finally doing away with all the friends, Activisions seems to have inherited the same sort of hard-headedness as they are going to try the peripheral AGAIN.

Skateboarding is too damn complex for a peripheral like that. Those kind of devices work best for carrying out simple actions, not for doing complex tricks.

Halo.

Do i really need to explain this?

Halo.

Do i really need to explain this?

lucky_star

Yeah, you do, because on the surface, that seems like a ridiculous claim.

I mean, many people seem to feel that Halo: CE was by far the best, but we're talking about Sonic and Tony Hawk levels of fail here. Halo doesn't fit, especially considering how critically acclaimed the last full installment was. Even the expansion got good reviews.

But I'm sure that provocative response will get more people to reply to this thread, so thanks. ;)

[QUOTE="funsohng"]THPS 2 was and still is one of my favourite games of all time. It was the chief contributor to me almost failing grade 5. Never really liked Sonic a lot. I think that statement will tell you not only where I stand with this topic, but also how much I want to bomb Activision right now.GreySeal9

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I played tons of Tony Hawk 2 back in the day as well. TBH, I liked 2 better than 3. I guess it just wowed me more.

For me it would be Soldier Of Fortune series. Man the last one was pure trash compared to the Raven developed ones.

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[QUOTE="funsohng"]THPS 2 was and still is one of my favourite games of all time. It was the chief contributor to me almost failing grade 5. Never really liked Sonic a lot. I think that statement will tell you not only where I stand with this topic, but also how much I want to bomb Activision right now.funsohng

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I played tons of Tony Hawk 2 back in the day as well. TBH, I liked 2 better than 3. I guess it just wowed me more.

How about Final Fantasy? Or Square in general.Thunderdrone

You couldn't possibly expect SE to throw out as many great games as regularly in the modern market they once did. It took 4 years to make FF13, just because it wasn't the greatest game ever made doesn't mean they fail. They still make great games.gamebreakerz__

[QUOTE="gamebreakerz__"]You couldn't possibly expect SE to throw out as many great games as regularly in the modern market they once did. It took 4 years to make FF13, just because it wasn't the greatest game ever made doesn't mean they fail. They still make great games.Thunderdrone

Need For Speed. Went from being my favourite arcade racer (and I wasn't the only one), to mostly drivel that isn't even worth playing.

Need For Speed. Went from being my favourite arcade racer (and I wasn't the only one), to mostly drivel that isn't even worth playing.

DraugenCP

[QUOTE="Thunderdrone"][QUOTE="gamebreakerz__"]You couldn't possibly expect SE to throw out as many great games as regularly in the modern market they once did. It took 4 years to make FF13, just because it wasn't the greatest game ever made doesn't mean they fail. They still make great games.gamebreakerz__

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Need For Speed. Went from being my favourite arcade racer (and I wasn't the only one), to mostly drivel that isn't even worth playing.

gamebreakerz__

No, that's because every game had to go with this pathetic car tuning hype ever since Fast & The Furious came out.

I like what Tony Hawk himself said about Tony Hawk Ride on Twitter

"Most snarky critics had their minds set before ever seeing/playing the game."

He is right and the same is true of the unnecessary hate that Sonic Unleashed received.

On that list: Sonic.

I dont know, i was never a fan of either.

Personally I would say Tony hawk. Sonic never got to a point or releasing horrible peripherals. Even then, sonic has atleast had a nice game new with the allstar racing game and sonic 4 should be good. Tony went from fantasy skating over and over then downgradede to a down hill racer then finally the 3.5 score disgrace tony hawks ride. I think even the worst sonic game got better scores then ride. I'm actually playing Allstar racing right now. Nice racing game that doesn't get alot of recognition even with a nice score.

Has to be Tony Hawk, I downloaded Tony Hawk: Pro Skater 3 for my PSP and it is so much better than games like proving ground. The fact that the games have actually gotten worse instead of just going out of fashion is a real fail. They need to go back to the old style instead of trying to add all this slow motion crap and trick stick.gamebreakerz__

Neither will compare to the epic fall from grace that Call of Duty will take over the next 3 years.

Between those 2 I'd say Sonic 'cause it was coupled with the death of a console. I know there's still sonic games, but Sonic was the mascot of Sega.

Tony Hawk, at least there are great Sonic games on the DS, there hasn't been a great Tony Hawk game since last gen.

Sonic was up there with Mario back in the day so i'll go with Sonic.

As for Tony Hawks, loved the games up to Underground 2, after that i thought they went to hell.

i'd say Sonic, and also nominate Tomb Raider.

Tony Hawk is easily the biggest fall from grace. Sonic was never as great as people remember. It is mainly a product of its time and now that we've moved on the old games aren't that great in any way. Meanwhile, the new games aren't even that different if you ask me. People just hate them because the game has NEVER heald up outside of the genesis.

Meanwhile, Tony Hawk was a must buy for me back in the PS1, PS2 days. I even loved THUG a lot. But then THUG 2 took a hit as they tried to do way too much. Then it just kept getting worse and worse and worse. This series was killed by their corporate attempt at releasing a new version every single year. It was just too much and inevitably, all their attempts at offering more just burried what used to be good about the game.

pokemon or mortal kombat. nuff said

Sonic and it pains me to say it.

I actually gotta go back a few years and say the Grandia series. The first was fantastic, it actually held its own against the similar timeline release of Final Fantasy VIII. It jsut went downhill from there. It's a shame, because Grandia has some amazing potential.

Call of duty. 4 was amazing and then 5 and 6 just went downhill.

Sonic fought Mario to a draw at his (Mario's) peak and now he his reduced to kid shovel ware.:(

So Sonic

To me Sonic didint start getting bad till after SA2. It was then that i was like wtf is going on with this game series. Heroes was meh. Shadow game was crap and so forth. Secert rings was actually neat and I loved the uber sonic there. Unleashed had a chance to be great,but they messed it up with the dumb werehog crap. Its like someone has a good sonic game then some dummy comes in and says "hey lets make sonic turn into a werehog. I mean isint that great." Or some other crap gimmick.

For me it has to be Tony Hawks, I loved the series up untill Downhill Jam.:(

To me Sonic didint start getting bad till after SA2. It was then that i was like wtf is going on with this game series. Heroes was meh. Shadow game was crap and so forth. Secert rings was actually neat and I loved the uber sonic there. Unleashed had a chance to be great,but they messed it up with the dumb werehog crap. Its like someone has a good sonic game then some dummy comes in and says "hey lets make sonic turn into a werehog. I mean isint that great." Or some other crap gimmick.

finalfantasy94

Sonic Adventure 2 was a good game, but in my eyes, it signaled the beginning of the end. Ridiculous amounts of playtime were devoted to Knuckles' tedious treasure hunting and sluggish mech levels.