Which Game Will Be More Important For Gaming: Heavy Rain Or Mass Effect 2?

both of these titles, in my opinion, have taken gaming to a another level. Between the both of them, there were more 'WOW' moments than any game i've played in a long time. Not to mention both games were addicting like heroin. I think both of these games will prove to be influential for how to go about presenting interactive drama.

which game do you think took it further? which will be looked back on as important for gaming?

Umm I guess Heavy rain but ME2 is way better.

ME2 is not drama.

It's Sci-Fi, and so far is the best sci-fi game ever.

Heavy Rain. Mass Effect is a better game IMO(barely, but it is), but Heavy Rain is genre defining. It's easily the most important of the two.l

Heavy Rain. Mass Effect is a better game IMO(barely, but it is), but Heavy Rain is genre defining. It's easily the most important of the two.l

Phoenix534

ME2 is not drama.

It's Sci-Fi, and so far is the best sci-fi game ever.

IronBass

[QUOTE="Phoenix534"]

Heavy Rain. Mass Effect is a better game IMO(barely, but it is), but Heavy Rain is genre defining. It's easily the most important of the two.l

dog_dirt

I meant Mass Effect 2 is better than Heavy Rain, but by a very, very small margin.

Bold statement, I think ME2 and Homeworld are pretty neck and neck as the best sci-fi games.mo0ksi

ummm nolafiro93

Heavy Rain. There's a lot more to be squeezed from that control scheme. The movement in Heavy Rain is clunky, but imagine this - an adventure game with context and location sensitive QTE icons appearing and also these icons could be for the use of inventory items - basically that method looks cleaner to me for adventure games on a console, compared to the traditional pointer.

Nobody besides cows really gives a crap about Heavy Rain.KittenWishes

Nobody besides lems dismiss a gem like HR

ME2 is not drama.

It's Sci-Fi, and so far is the best sci-fi game ever.

IronBass

I think I speak for me and say HELL NO. jg4xchamp

To be honest, I don't see either of them being all that influential on other games. Bioware will keep making games like ME2 and Quantic Dream will keep making games like Heavy Rain, but I don't expect many game developers to make games like these two.

Heavy Rain is a great example of how a game should not be made

Nobody besides cows really gives a crap about Heavy Rain.KittenWishes

You sir would be correct!

I must play way too many games and watch way too many movies because both of these games had very few "wow" moments. In fact, at best they had "oh, ok" moments.

Not to say they are not good games, because they are. I'm just not seeing how people could be so blown away.

To answer your question.. i don't know. I don't know what would make ME2 innovative outside what ME1 had already done, and Heavy Rain is like Indigo Prophecy which didn't seem to do a whole lot(but feel free to prove me wrong). I suppose if HR becomes successful and other companies decide to take the same route, it'll be the more important to gaming.

To answer your question.. i don't know. I don't know what would make ME2 innovative outside what ME1 had already done,

blahzor

Heavy Rain is more influential for RPG games like Mass Effect 2, in Mass Effect the dialogue choices were threw at you while standing, there is no much movement in the scenes and there is no time limit for your choices, you could literally go take a piss, eat a whole meal and then comeback and the characters are still standing there staring at each other.

A dialogue system like Heavy Rain's could benefit games like Mass Effect 3 by going a step forward to interactivity, the player would be at the edge of their seat in an intense action RPG game like ME.

Hell the ME2 RT and LT commands in dialogue were the most fun in the choices I made.

oh nice a tie.. le tthe lems and cowa battle it out to a sudden death... i your wondering. i picked the heroin lol

[QUOTE="blahzor"]

To answer your question.. i don't know. I don't know what would make ME2 innovative outside what ME1 had already done,

heretrix

Ah you're right! I definitely should have made note of that, because it does deserve some credit and mentioning. I stand correctly.

I enjoyed ME1 despite its flaws, and i played it so many times i knew it quite well. So, having emails or hearing news annoucements about things i had done, or people i had helped was a really nice touch and did make it feel more personal. Of course, you're alsoright in saying that it wasn't perfect. Most of your carry over really was just emails or news rather then anything important. Even the big things from the first game, like the council's fate or kaiden/ash had extremely little impact on this game. I was highly disapointed with that personally.

Still, i want to make it clear again that i really enjoyed ME2. It was really really fun.

Heavy Rain is more influential for RPG games like Mass Effect 2, in Mass Effect the dialogue choices were threw at you while standing, there is no much movement in the scenes and there is no time limit for your choices, you could literally go take a piss, eat a whole meal and then comeback and the characters are still standing there staring at each other.

A dialogue system like Heavy Rain's could benefit games like Mass Effect 3 by going a step forward to interactivity, the player would be at the edge of their seat in an intense action RPG game like ME.

Hell the ME2 RT and LT commands in dialogue were the most fun in the choices I made.

if you're going solely by importance to gaming, I'd definitely say heavy rain. It actually did what it set out to do. ME2 on the other hand seemed a lot more limited than the first game. For example, the dialogue and decisions you make within mass effect 2 are supposed to affect how your story develops and the outcome of the story. You basically get the same ending regardless of what you do!

[spoiler] you don't do sidequests, jokers alive at the end, talks to illusive man, the reapers are coming. You do the sidequests (which is basically "I haven't seen my friend in a long time, lets go check up on them", you get there, "they're not as I remember" then you have to either save the person you searched for, for 45 minutes, or you let your shipmate kill them...same old formula used the entire game) but blow up the last ship, the illusive man isn't impressed, you see the reapers coming. Say you save the ship, the illusive man IS impressed, then you see the reapers coming. So I did an additional 4 hours of sidequests and scanning planets to upgrade my ship and get the good ending, yet it's basically the same thing as the bad ending? Also, the stuff that transfered over from the first game was a pretty cool concept, however, it barely affected anything in the entire game with the exception of the dialogue changing minimally (to just include 1 of the 3 or 4 choices you made in mass effect 1. It doesn't affect anything else tho! [/spoiler]

Mass Effect has some cool new concepts, but they don't take risks and the game is way more on rails than the first game.

Heavy Rain on the other hand, set out to create a game that played as a movie, that the user can control. Depending on how you approach situations, the outcome or what occurs tends to be different

[spoiler] for example, being able to knock out the guy in the convenience store with a glass bottle, but if you take the wrong isle, too much time, or don't even grab the bottle, you have to reason with the robber and hopefully make the right dialogue choices in order to stay alive [/spoiler]

Now since so many people are buying Heavy Rain, developers might be more willing to take risks even with this economy. Mass Effect 2 on the other hand is the same old formula, and even though it sold A CRAPLOAD, it doesn't promote anything other than "sequals sell"

[QUOTE="KittenWishes"]Nobody besides cows really gives a crap about Heavy Rain.HermitGTX

Nobody besides cows really gives a crap about Heavy Rain.KittenWishes

Well, i think Heavy Rain is amazing and im faaaar from being a cow! Still Mass Effect 2 is one of my favourite games ever. Its the perfect mix vetween many genres

[QUOTE="heretrix"]

[QUOTE="blahzor"]

To answer your question.. i don't know. I don't know what would make ME2 innovative outside what ME1 had already done,

blahzor

Ah you're right! I definitely should have made note of that, because it does deserve some credit and mentioning. I stand correctly.

I enjoyed ME1 despite its flaws, and i played it so many times i knew it quite well. So, having emails or hearing news annoucements about things i had done, or people i had helped was a really nice touch and did make it feel more personal. Of course, you're alsoright in saying that it wasn't perfect. Most of your carry over really was just emails or news rather then anything important. Even the big things from the first game, like the council's fate or kaiden/ash had extremely little impact on this game. I was highly disapointed with that personally.

Still, i want to make it clear again that i really enjoyed ME2. It was really really fun.

[QUOTE="HAZE-Unit"]

Heavy Rain is more influential for RPG games like Mass Effect 2, in Mass Effect the dialogue choices were threw at you while standing, there is no much movement in the scenes and there is no time limit for your choices, you could literally go take a piss, eat a whole meal and then comeback and the characters are still standing there staring at each other.

A dialogue system like Heavy Rain's could benefit games like Mass Effect 3 by going a step forward to interactivity, the player would be at the edge of their seat in an intense action RPG game like ME.

Hell the ME2 RT and LT commands in dialogue were the most fun in the choices I made.

IronBass

They could remove the option of saving anytime, but that could add unnecessary frustration.

I don't get what you mean by that much but if Im in the right track.

there is auto save for Heavy Rain before each chapter/scene but that didn't make me go back and try something else.

But the time limit idea is neat, instead of taking your time with your choices, you have a limited amount of time when investigating or asking NPCs questions, I think thats a benefit for games like RPG ( WRPGs to be specific ).

Add to that the interactivity in action scenes, it could make the scenes much immersive and intense and help make more high production cut-scenes.

I just brought one example of games, this same technology could benefit games like MGS too, instead of watching the Raiden VS Vamp scene I could interact with it.

LOL those are some funny poll options. But seriously, i don't see how ME2 has done anything for gaming. Great game? Absoutely; but it hasn't pushed gaming forward or broken down barriers or anything. So i pick Heavy Rain.

Heavy Rain is a great example of how a game should not be made

HermitGTX

You are a great example of how a person's opinion should not be taken seriously.

Mass Effect 2 on the other hand is the same old formula, and even though it sold A CRAPLOAD, it doesn't promote anything other than "sequals sell"

Some-Mist

I heard someone make this analogy between the 2 games "Heavy Rain, as excellent as it is, feels like a movie. Mass Effect 2 feels like an entire TV season."

I think it fits rather well, although I would say that the 2 games together feel like an entire season.

[QUOTE="IronBass"][QUOTE="HAZE-Unit"]

Heavy Rain is more influential for RPG games like Mass Effect 2, in Mass Effect the dialogue choices were threw at you while standing, there is no much movement in the scenes and there is no time limit for your choices, you could literally go take a piss, eat a whole meal and then comeback and the characters are still standing there staring at each other.

A dialogue system like Heavy Rain's could benefit games like Mass Effect 3 by going a step forward to interactivity, the player would be at the edge of their seat in an intense action RPG game like ME.

Hell the ME2 RT and LT commands in dialogue were the most fun in the choices I made.

They could remove the option of saving anytime, but that could add unnecessary frustration.

I don't get what you mean by that much but if Im in the right track.

there is auto save for Heavy Rain before each chapter/scene but that didn't make me go back and try something else.

But the time limit idea is neat, instead of taking your time with your choices, you have a limited amount of time when investigating or asking NPCs questions, I think thats a benefit for games like RPG ( WRPGs to be specific ).

Add to that the interactivity in action scenes, it could make the scenes much immersive and intense and help make more high production cut-scenes.

I just brought one example of games, this same technology could benefit games like MGS too, instead of watching the Raiden VS Vamp scene I could interact with it.

[QUOTE="Some-Mist"]

Mass Effect 2 on the other hand is the same old formula, and even though it sold A CRAPLOAD, it doesn't promote anything other than "sequals sell"

heretrix

I heard someone make this analogy between the 2 games "Heavy Rain, as excellent as it is, feels like a movie. Mass Effect 2 feels like an entire TV season."

I think it fits rather well, although I would say that the 2 games together feel like an entire season.

hah thats some good analogy :P

[QUOTE="Some-Mist"]

Mass Effect 2 on the other hand is the same old formula, and even though it sold A CRAPLOAD, it doesn't promote anything other than "sequals sell"

heretrix

I heard someone make this analogy between the 2 games "Heavy Rain, as excellent as it is, feels like a movie. Mass Effect 2 feels like an entire TV season."

I think it fits rather well, although I would say that the 2 games together feel like an entire season.

I dunno, I think that's what's wrong with the gaming community this generation. Most gamers seem to care about are rehashes, sequals, and old IPs. I personally feel like new IPs are more important for gaming as everything is getting tired out.

Personally, I'd take heavy rain over uncharted 2 any day. Uncharted 2 is basically everything that has been done, but polished, which is exactly how I see ME2. I'd even take heavy rain over god of war 3, or demon's souls over UC2 and GoW 3.

Earlier you mentioned how the choices in ME1 affect ME2. Would you mind explaining a few instances in which your save file affected ME2? - in spoilers of course :]

I dunno, I think that's what's wrong with the gaming community this generation.Some-Mist

It has always been that way.

Most of the best and best selling games every generation have been sequels.

And there's nothing wrong with that.

[QUOTE="KittenWishes"]Nobody besides cows really gives a crap about Heavy Rain.HermitGTX

You sir would be correct!

I´m not a "cow" and I do care about Heavy Rain. And I most certainly don´t fit in that bovine analogy,since I´m a PC gamer.

[QUOTE="HAZE-Unit"]

[QUOTE="IronBass"] That would not affect ME that much, since you have the option of saving before any conversation.

They could remove the option of saving anytime, but that could add unnecessary frustration.IronBass

I don't get what you mean by that much but if Im in the right track.

there is auto save for Heavy Rain before each chapter/scene but that didn't make me go back and try something else.

But the time limit idea is neat, instead of taking your time with your choices, you have a limited amount of time when investigating or asking NPCs questions, I think thats a benefit for games like RPG ( WRPGs to be specific ).

Add to that the interactivity in action scenes, it could make the scenes much immersive and intense and help make more high production cut-scenes.

I just brought one example of games, this same technology could benefit games like MGS too, instead of watching the Raiden VS Vamp scene I could interact with it.

ah I see, maybe but I prefer people trying different and new features to improve the interactivity of games, a game like MGSdefinitely needs more interactivity in their cut-scenes, a game like Dragon Age, Mass Effect...etc definitely needs more interactivity in their dialogue choices.

And I don't think people are going to load their save files everytime they screw or don't like the decisions they have made.

Lets see how it works in Alpha Protocol and Im sure people will love how they implemented this feature.

oh nice a tie.. le tthe lems and cowa battle it out to a sudden death... i your wondering. i picked the heroin lol

iamshivy

And I don't think people are going to load their save files everytime they screw or don't like the decisions they have made.HAZE-Unit

[QUOTE="iamshivy"]

oh nice a tie.. le tthe lems and cowa battle it out to a sudden death... i your wondering. i picked the heroin lol

dog_dirt

Don't feed the trolls.

They are both excellent games and alot of the "masterpieces" in people's minds scored lower then AAA, take the first Metal Gear Solid, ICO or the first Mass Effect for example.

[QUOTE="Some-Mist"]I dunno, I think that's what's wrong with the gaming community this generation.IronBass

It has always been that way.

Most of the best and best selling games every generation have been sequels.

And there's nothing wrong with that.

PS1 Era, best selling game of all time, Gran Tourismo 1. with Crash Bandicoot 1, Tomb Raider 1, and Metal Gear Solid 1 in the top 10 games sold on PS1.

Dreamcast: Sonic Adventure, then Soul Caliber, then Crazy Taxi, then Shenmue

Sega: Sonic The Hedgehog, Aladdin, NBA Jam

360: Halo 3, Gears of War, Gears of War 2, MW2, GTA4, MW1, W@W, ODST, Forza 2, Fable 2 that's the top 10 of all time so far. 1 new ip.

these are just some examples. Sequals didn't really start getting TOO huge until the PS2 era, but then again, developers were still taking chances with making new IPs since the economic situation wasn't as poor as it is now.

[QUOTE="HAZE-Unit"]And I don't think people are going to load their save files everytime they screw or don't like the decisions they have made.IronBass

I disagree, these games are LONG, Im sure I wouldn't do that everytime, maybe I would load a save here and there but for the rest of a 30-50 hours games Im not gonna stop my session everytime.

im sure there are people just like me who would continue playing.

Like I said lets see how Alpha Protocol pans out.

[QUOTE="IronBass"]

I dunno, I think that's what's wrong with the gaming community this generation.Some-Mist

It has always been that way.

Most of the best and best selling games every generation have been sequels.

And there's nothing wrong with that.

PS1 Era, best selling game of all time, Gran Tourismo 1. Tomb Raider 1 is up there, as well as Metal Gear Solid 1.

Dreamcast: Sonic Adventure, then Soul Caliber, then Crazy Taxi, then Shenmue

these are just some examples. Sequals didn't really start getting TOO huge until the PS2 era, but then again, developers were still taking chances with making new IPs since the economic situation wasn't as poor as it is now.

I disagree, these games are LONG, Im sure I wouldn't do that everytime, maybe I would load a save here and there but for the rest of a 30-50 hours games Im not gonna stop my session everytime.HAZE-Unit

[QUOTE="heretrix"]

[QUOTE="Some-Mist"]

Mass Effect 2 on the other hand is the same old formula, and even though it sold A CRAPLOAD, it doesn't promote anything other than "sequals sell"

Some-Mist

I heard someone make this analogy between the 2 games "Heavy Rain, as excellent as it is, feels like a movie. Mass Effect 2 feels like an entire TV season."

I think it fits rather well, although I would say that the 2 games together feel like an entire season.

I dunno, I think that's what's wrong with the gaming community this generation. Most gamers seem to care about are rehashes, sequals, and old IPs. I personally feel like new IPs are more important for gaming as everything is getting tired out.

Personally, I'd take heavy rain over uncharted 2 any day. Uncharted 2 is basically everything that has been done, but polished, which is exactly how I see ME2. I'd even take heavy rain over god of war 3, or demon's souls over UC2 and GoW 3.

Earlier you mentioned how the choices in ME1 affect ME2. Would you mind explaining a few instances in which your save file affected ME2? - in spoilers of course :]

As for it being a rehash, I'm not sure how you can say that when the game is significantly different from the first, to the point where it's a debate on whether it is still an RPG or not.Tonally it is a similar game, but mechanically it is completely different.

[QUOTE="Some-Mist"]

[QUOTE="IronBass"]

It has always been that way.

Most of the best and best selling games every generation have been sequels.

And there's nothing wrong with that.

IronBass

PS1 Era, best selling game of all time, Gran Tourismo 1. Tomb Raider 1 is up there, as well as Metal Gear Solid 1.

Dreamcast: Sonic Adventure, then Soul Caliber, then Crazy Taxi, then Shenmue

these are just some examples. Sequals didn't really start getting TOO huge until the PS2 era, but then again, developers were still taking chances with making new IPs since the economic situation wasn't as poor as it is now.

my point being, the best selling games on consoles this generation, are mostly ALL sequals, wheras in previous gens, there are a lot more newer IPs in the top 10.