Which is the best stealth game series of all time?

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#1 dragonballz4
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Not counting the upcoming Absolution, which is the greatest stealth series ever?

My vote goes to Thief because it is pure stealth game,for me it is the game that defined the stealth genre.

whats your favorite?

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#2 Nanomage
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Thief by far.
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The first two Thief games are the best stealth games ever made.
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#4 freedomfreak
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Thief and Splinter Cell. I don't feel like listing honoroble mentions.
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#5 Arach666
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Thief: The Dark Project and especially Thief 2: The Metal Age are the best stealth games I´ve ever played,also The Dark Mod.
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#6 PannicAtack
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Thief, you taffer.
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#7 Gue1
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Even Deus Ex HR has better stealth mechanics than MGS. =/

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#9 pelvist
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Thief 1 & 2. ( minus Thief 3 because it was wank )

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#10 Nintendo_Ownes7
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Thief by far.Nanomage
This I liked all 3 Thief games and I can't wait for the 4th.

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#11 Master_ShakeXXX
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Metal Gear, obviously. Anybody saying Thief is kidding themselves.

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#12 Ballroompirate
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Honestly it's a toss up between Splinter Cell and MGS, love both of them.

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#13 AAllxxjjnn
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Metal Gear, obviously. Anybody saying Thief is kidding themselves.

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Maybe if the poll was "game that shoves the most overindulgent cutscenes into a video game"
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#14 mems_1224
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Splinter Cell. Never played Thief though
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#15 KiZZo1
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Thief 1 & 2.

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#16 TilxWLOC
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I love the content and detail put into MGS games, so those.

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#18 mems_1224
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Does Thief still hold up? I got all the games during the Steam summer sale.
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#19 PannicAtack
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Does Thief still hold up? I got all the games during the Steam summer sale.mems_1224
Hell yes it does. Huge nonlinear maps filled with goodies for exploration, intuitive stealth mechanics, an imaginative and original world, and a very fun and enjoyable protagonist.

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#20 deactivated-5d6bb9cb2ee20
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Assassin's Creed [spoiler] I have only ever played Metal Gear Solid, so that, I guess :P [/spoiler]
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[QUOTE="mems_1224"]Does Thief still hold up? I got all the games during the Steam summer sale.PannicAtack

Hell yes it does. Huge nonlinear maps filled with goodies for exploration, intuitive stealth mechanics, an imaginative and original world, and a very fun and enjoyable protagonist.

Sweet. Im playing through Jedi Academy right now so I might start Thief after that then.
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chaos theory.
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#23 deactivated-5d6bb9cb2ee20
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No wait, I didn't see Splinter Cell on the poll. Okay, I love the original Splinter Cell games more than the MGS games, but MGS has been more consistent as a whole than Splinter Cell... Hmm, okay I'm confused :P
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#24 Yangire
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Thief is the only right answer.

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#25 Master_ShakeXXX
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[QUOTE="Master_ShakeXXX"]

Metal Gear, obviously. Anybody saying Thief is kidding themselves.

AAllxxjjnn

Maybe if the poll was "game that shoves the most overindulgent cutscenes into a video game"

I'm just telling it how it is. MGS is a universally beloved franchise that has won countless awards and has rightfully cemented it's place amongst gaming's most legendary franchises. It's the best.

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#26 soapandbubbles
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[QUOTE="AAllxxjjnn"][QUOTE="Master_ShakeXXX"]

Metal Gear, obviously. Anybody saying Thief is kidding themselves.

Master_ShakeXXX

Maybe if the poll was "game that shoves the most overindulgent cutscenes into a video game"

I'm just telling it how it is. MGS is a universally beloved franchise that has won countless awards and has rightfully cemented it's place amongst gaming's most legendary franchises. It's the best.

Yes, with Story and character developement...anything else (gameplaywise) is mediocre compared to realistic animated stealth games like splinter cell and the latest Hitman..which IMO might just out do the rest. (absolution)
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[QUOTE="AAllxxjjnn"][QUOTE="Master_ShakeXXX"]

Metal Gear, obviously. Anybody saying Thief is kidding themselves.

Master_ShakeXXX

Maybe if the poll was "game that shoves the most overindulgent cutscenes into a video game"

I'm just telling it how it is. MGS is a universally beloved franchise that has won countless awards and has rightfully cemented it's place amongst gaming's most legendary franchises. It's the best.

So's Thief. Thief is near-universally regarded as not only one of the leading pioneers in its genre, but the absolute best name in the genre, particularly Thief 2.

I could say "Thief is a universally beloved franchise that has won countless awards and has rightfully cemented it's place amongst gaming's most legendary franchises" just as easily as you say MGS. What exactly is it about Metal Gear Solid that makes it the best stealth series and not Thief?

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#28 Cheleman
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MGS.

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#29 Zeviander
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Thief This isn't a fair competition.
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#30 Master_ShakeXXX
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[QUOTE="Master_ShakeXXX"]

[QUOTE="AAllxxjjnn"] Maybe if the poll was "game that shoves the most overindulgent cutscenes into a video game"soapandbubbles

I'm just telling it how it is. MGS is a universally beloved franchise that has won countless awards and has rightfully cemented it's place amongst gaming's most legendary franchises. It's the best.

Yes, with Story and character developement...anything else (gameplaywise) is mediocre compared to realistic animated stealth games like splinter cell and the latest Hitman..which IMO might just out do the rest. (absolution)

MGS has never had mediocre gameplay.

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[QUOTE="Master_ShakeXXX"]

[QUOTE="AAllxxjjnn"] Maybe if the poll was "game that shoves the most overindulgent cutscenes into a video game"PannicAtack

I'm just telling it how it is. MGS is a universally beloved franchise that has won countless awards and has rightfully cemented it's place amongst gaming's most legendary franchises. It's the best.

So's Thief. Thief is near-universally regarded as not only one of the leading pioneers in its genre, but the absolute best name in the genre, particularly Thief 2.

I could say "Thief is a universally beloved franchise that has won countless awards and has rightfully cemented it's place amongst gaming's most legendary franchises" just as easily as you say MGS. What exactly is it about Metal Gear Solid that makes it the best stealth series and not Thief?

The storytelling, universe, characters, gameplay, production value, etc.

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The storytelling, universe, characters, gameplay, production value, etc.Master_ShakeXXX
MGS is "tactical espionage acton" not stealth.
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#33 PannicAtack
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[QUOTE="PannicAtack"]

[QUOTE="Master_ShakeXXX"]

I'm just telling it how it is. MGS is a universally beloved franchise that has won countless awards and has rightfully cemented it's place amongst gaming's most legendary franchises. It's the best.

Master_ShakeXXX

So's Thief. Thief is near-universally regarded as not only one of the leading pioneers in its genre, but the absolute best name in the genre, particularly Thief 2.

I could say "Thief is a universally beloved franchise that has won countless awards and has rightfully cemented it's place amongst gaming's most legendary franchises" just as easily as you say MGS. What exactly is it about Metal Gear Solid that makes it the best stealth series and not Thief?

The storytelling, universe, characters, gameplay, production value, etc.

And Thief has all of those.

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#34 Master_ShakeXXX
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[QUOTE="Master_ShakeXXX"]The storytelling, universe, characters, gameplay, production value, etc.Zeviander
MGS is "tactical espionage acton" not stealth.

It's considered stealth. The "tactical espionage action" thing is simply a tagline.

By that logic Splinter Cell could be considered tactical espionage action.

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By that logic Splinter Cell could be considered tactical espionage action.Master_ShakeXXX
MGS rewards both stealthy and action-oriented strategy equally. You can go through any game without being detected, or full guns blazing. A proper "stealth" game requires that you do not get detected, and makes it impossible to advance until you are able to complete the objective quietly. Thief makes it almost impossible to survive when detected, let alone do anything further. And I have only played a little of the second Splinter Cell, and don't recall it rewarding guns blazing strategy. In fact, I remember having a problem trying to play it like I played MGS.
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old school splinter cell and metal gear solid

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#37 TheOtherTheoG
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Thief, any day of the week. Especially 2, that game is, by most accounts, an unparalleled masterpiece, and I'm incredibly excited for what Eidos Montreal are going to do with Thief 4, especially after their work reviving the Deus Ex series. Splinter Cell has declined in quality at a fairly sharp rate since Chaos Theory, Hitman didn't really get good until somewhere between Silent Assassin and Contracts, and is now getting worse again, and Metal Gear Solid has always been great from a gameplay perspective, except the points at which it would actually let you play the games were kinda rare, sandwiched between hours of ridiculous cutscenes, haphazard plots and convoluted dialogue. Also, Tenchu, those games were pretty good.
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#38 Master_ShakeXXX
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[QUOTE="Master_ShakeXXX"]By that logic Splinter Cell could be considered tactical espionage action.Zeviander
MGS rewards both stealthy and action-oriented strategy equally. You can go through any game without being detected, or full guns blazing. A proper "stealth" game requires that you do not get detected, and makes it impossible to advance until you are able to complete the objective quietly. Thief makes it almost impossible to survive when detected, let alone do anything further. And I have only played a little of the second Splinter Cell, and don't recall it rewarding guns blazing strategy. In fact, I remember having a problem trying to play it like I played MGS.

Still doesn't change the fact that MGS has always been considered a stealth game first and foremost. Which game has the best stealth mechanics is another argument entirely. TC never went into specifics. He merely asked "which is the best?"

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#39 santoron
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Never played Thief, though this makes me want to.

Most fun I've ever had stealthing around was in Deus Ex:HR. Enjoyed the MGS series as well.

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#40 arto1223
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I am so pleasantly stunned to see Thief is winning this poll. I assumed most people on SW were too young to know of the Thief series.

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#41 turtlethetaffer
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Thief for sure. It pretty much defines stealth in video games. No game has ocme close to capturing the esence of stealth than Thief.

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Still doesn't change the fact that MGS has always been considered a stealth game first and foremost.Master_ShakeXXX
By who exactly? People who haven't played Thief I guess. There aren't even any mechanics related to lighting and using shadows to avoid detection. Even Syphon Filter had that.
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Also, and I don't like doing this, but if we were to compare the metascores of each individual game from each franchise, you will see that MGS is far and away the most consistent series. It's one of the most consistent franchises ever.

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[QUOTE="Master_ShakeXXX"]Still doesn't change the fact that MGS has always been considered a stealth game first and foremost.Zeviander
By who exactly? People who haven't played Thief I guess. There aren't even any mechanics related to lighting and using shadows to avoid detection. Even Syphon Filter had that.

By the mass majority. Lets not kid ourselves. How often do you see MGS referred to as anything other than stealth?

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Thief still holds the stealth crown.

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Also, and I don't like doing this, but if we were to compare the metascores of each individual game from each franchise, you will see that MGS is far and away the most consistent series. It's one of the most consistent franchises ever.

Master_ShakeXXX

There have been like three Thief games, all with consistent quality. MGS is great, but as far as pure stealth (grounded in realism) Thief takes the cake. MGS has way too many "gamey" elements, where, in Thief, if you get caught, you're pretty much screwed. MGS you can shoot your way out of most situations.

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By the mass majority.Master_ShakeXXX
Argumentum ad populum. And even if we did entertain your fallacy, the poll proves you wrong.
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Also, and I don't like doing this, but if we were to compare the metascores of each individual game from each franchise, you will see that MGS is far and away the most consistent series. It's one of the most consistent franchises ever.

Master_ShakeXXX
You aren't giving an answer. You stated that MGS was the best series, and that people were fooling themselves if they said Thief was. That is a bold assertion, which you have not backed. How does MGS do stealth better than Thief?
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[QUOTE="Zeviander"][QUOTE="Master_ShakeXXX"]Still doesn't change the fact that MGS has always been considered a stealth game first and foremost.Master_ShakeXXX

By who exactly? People who haven't played Thief I guess. There aren't even any mechanics related to lighting and using shadows to avoid detection. Even Syphon Filter had that.

By the mass majority. Lets not kid ourselves. How often do you see MGS referred to as anything other than stealth?

The same mass majority that also regards Mass Effect as an RPG? Because it´s the exact same thing,like ciomparing Mass Effect to say,Baldurs Gate.

Considering your usual opinions I would think you´d be the last person to come in and talk about majorities,but I suppose that suits your argument this time.

MGS is barely a stealth game,especially when compared against the prime of the genre,Thief.

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#50 turtlethetaffer
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[QUOTE="Master_ShakeXXX"]

Also, and I don't like doing this, but if we were to compare the metascores of each individual game from each franchise, you will see that MGS is far and away the most consistent series. It's one of the most consistent franchises ever.

PannicAtack

You aren't giving an answer. You stated that MGS was the best series, and that people were fooling themselves if they said Thief was. That is a bold assertion, which you have not backed. How does MGS do stealth better than Thief?

I'll answer for him: It doesn't. MGS is a good eries but Thief puts it to shame in terms of pure stealth.