Which will sell more NG DS or NG sigma?

dragon sword easy

ds user base is much much larger than ps3s.

dragon sword easy

ds user base is much much larger than ps3s.

AsadMahdi59

depends, it is surely going to be interesting to see how sigma does in japan.

Sigma will easily be the better game though 

This is actually a nice example that shows the size of the install base doesn't count for as much people think.

Although the DS has an install base of 40 million, it doesn't really matter much in the end. Liking to get overly frustrated isn't exactly the defining factor of the install base and with a Ninja Gaiden game, it's not only very likely, it's almost a guarantee Tecmo can put on the box. Ninja Gaiden is a franchise for the hardcore, those who can push through the frustration of the game and enjoy the gameplay for the difficulty that's causing the frustration.

On top of that, many Nintendo gamers, both fanboy and nonfanboys, always say how they couldn't care less about games like DMC and other hack n slash. Games like these don't really appeal to them that much.

So in the end, the sales for each version might actually be pretty close and if the DS does indeed win in sales, it won't be by as gigantic amount of sales as the fanboys in this thread are trying to make it look just because the size of the install base.

This is actually a nice example that shows the size of the install base doesn't count for as much people think.

Although the DS has an install base of 40 million, it doesn't really matter much in the end. Liking to get overly frustrated isn't exactly the defining factor of the install base and with a Ninja Gaiden game, it's not only very likely, it's almost a guarantee Tecmo can put on the box. Ninja Gaiden is a franchise for the hardcore, those who can push through the frustration of the game and enjoy the gameplay for the difficulty that's causing the frustration.

On top of that, many Nintendo gamers, both fanboy and nonfanboys, always say how they couldn't care less about games like DMC and other hack n slash. Games like these don't really appeal to them that much.

So in the end, the sales for each version might actually be pretty close and if the DS does indeed win in sales, it won't be by as gigantic amount of sales as the fanboys in this thread are trying to make it look just because the size of the install base.

RurouniSaiyajin

If Sigma sells more it's some kinda ownage ( I don't know what kind ) but defintely some kind lol.  DS has what 40 million sold vs. 3.5 million PS3s .

[QUOTE="RurouniSaiyajin"]

This is actually a nice example that shows the size of the install base doesn't count for as much people think.

Although the DS has an install base of 40 million, it doesn't really matter much in the end. Liking to get overly frustrated isn't exactly the defining factor of the install base and with a Ninja Gaiden game, it's not only very likely, it's almost a guarantee Tecmo can put on the box. Ninja Gaiden is a franchise for the hardcore, those who can push through the frustration of the game and enjoy the gameplay for the difficulty that's causing the frustration.

On top of that, many Nintendo gamers, both fanboy and nonfanboys, always say how they couldn't care less about games like DMC and other hack n slash. Games like these don't really appeal to them that much.

So in the end, the sales for each version might actually be pretty close and if the DS does indeed win in sales, it won't be by as gigantic amount of sales as the fanboys in this thread are trying to make it look just because the size of the install base.

nytrospawn

I say that mostly on comments from nintendo gamers who have randomly made comments about hack and slashes in general and Ninja Gaiden fits in the category of hack and slashes. Hence why I said "many Nintendo gamers, both fanboy and nonfanboys, always say how they couldn't care less about games like DMC and other hack n slash"

 Hey dont group all nintendo users as people who dont want ninja gaiden. Ninja gaiden is without a doubt in my top 5 games of last gen in a list primarly composed of nintendo games.

[QUOTE="nytrospawn"][QUOTE="RurouniSaiyajin"]

This is actually a nice example that shows the size of the install base doesn't count for as much people think.

Although the DS has an install base of 40 million, it doesn't really matter much in the end. Liking to get overly frustrated isn't exactly the defining factor of the install base and with a Ninja Gaiden game, it's not only very likely, it's almost a guarantee Tecmo can put on the box. Ninja Gaiden is a franchise for the hardcore, those who can push through the frustration of the game and enjoy the gameplay for the difficulty that's causing the frustration.

On top of that, many Nintendo gamers, both fanboy and nonfanboys, always say how they couldn't care less about games like DMC and other hack n slash. Games like these don't really appeal to them that much.

So in the end, the sales for each version might actually be pretty close and if the DS does indeed win in sales, it won't be by as gigantic amount of sales as the fanboys in this thread are trying to make it look just because the size of the install base.

RurouniSaiyajin

I say that mostly on comments from nintendo gamers who have randomly made comments about hack and slashes in general and Ninja Gaiden fits in the category of hack and slashes. Hence why I said "many Nintendo gamers, both fanboy and nonfanboys, always say how they couldn't care less about games like DMC and other hack n slash"

This is actually a nice example that shows the size of the install base doesn't count for as much people think.

Although the DS has an install base of 40 million, it doesn't really matter much in the end. Liking to get overly frustrated isn't exactly the defining factor of the install base and with a Ninja Gaiden game, it's not only very likely, it's almost a guarantee Tecmo can put on the box. Ninja Gaiden is a franchise for the hardcore, those who can push through the frustration of the game and enjoy the gameplay for the difficulty that's causing the frustration.

On top of that, many Nintendo gamers, both fanboy and nonfanboys, always say how they couldn't care less about games like DMC and other hack n slash. Games like these don't really appeal to them that much.

So in the end, the sales for each version might actually be pretty close and if the DS does indeed win in sales, it won't be by as gigantic amount of sales as the fanboys in this thread are trying to make it look just because the size of the install base.

RurouniSaiyajin

You done telling the userbase what it is they like, or are you ready to let them decide on their own, yet? 

[QUOTE="RurouniSaiyajin"][QUOTE="nytrospawn"][QUOTE="RurouniSaiyajin"]

This is actually a nice example that shows the size of the install base doesn't count for as much people think.

Although the DS has an install base of 40 million, it doesn't really matter much in the end. Liking to get overly frustrated isn't exactly the defining factor of the install base and with a Ninja Gaiden game, it's not only very likely, it's almost a guarantee Tecmo can put on the box. Ninja Gaiden is a franchise for the hardcore, those who can push through the frustration of the game and enjoy the gameplay for the difficulty that's causing the frustration.

On top of that, many Nintendo gamers, both fanboy and nonfanboys, always say how they couldn't care less about games like DMC and other hack n slash. Games like these don't really appeal to them that much.

So in the end, the sales for each version might actually be pretty close and if the DS does indeed win in sales, it won't be by as gigantic amount of sales as the fanboys in this thread are trying to make it look just because the size of the install base.

taker42

I say that mostly on comments from nintendo gamers who have randomly made comments about hack and slashes in general and Ninja Gaiden fits in the category of hack and slashes. Hence why I said "many Nintendo gamers, both fanboy and nonfanboys, always say how they couldn't care less about games like DMC and other hack n slash"

It's funny you should try to devalue my impressions of Nintendo gamers on Hack and Slash games after asking for a survey, considering surveys involve asking a rather small group of people their opinions which are then said to reflect the vast millions of people in their category. My impressions are just that, impressions. Don't like them? Don't listen to them. Believe that Nintendo gamers love hack and Slash games to death. No one's holding a gun to your head to force you to believe what I believe.

If NG couldn't sell a million on the original XBox, whose gamers actually really liked this game and defend until their last breath against DMC all the time, I doubt it'll even sell a million on the DS. Ninja Gaiden really is meant mostly for the truly hardcore that can withstand the pain of humilitiation and defeat and put aside their frustration to enjoy the difficulty of the franchise. There aren't as many people willing to do this. Casuals for one are most likely to try this game, get owned severely like everyone else on their first tries but instead of pushing through, they'll just give up on the game because it's too hard. That said, I doubt it'll sell anywhere near the 10 million (1/4 of the DS fanbase) as you said

[QUOTE="RurouniSaiyajin"]

This is actually a nice example that shows the size of the install base doesn't count for as much people think.

Although the DS has an install base of 40 million, it doesn't really matter much in the end. Liking to get overly frustrated isn't exactly the defining factor of the install base and with a Ninja Gaiden game, it's not only very likely, it's almost a guarantee Tecmo can put on the box. Ninja Gaiden is a franchise for the hardcore, those who can push through the frustration of the game and enjoy the gameplay for the difficulty that's causing the frustration.

On top of that, many Nintendo gamers, both fanboy and nonfanboys, always say how they couldn't care less about games like DMC and other hack n slash. Games like these don't really appeal to them that much.

So in the end, the sales for each version might actually be pretty close and if the DS does indeed win in sales, it won't be by as gigantic amount of sales as the fanboys in this thread are trying to make it look just because the size of the install base.

Michael85

You done telling the userbase what it is they like, or are you ready to let them decide on their own, yet? 

If you are talking about my comments about them not liking getting frustrated, well that came more from something Miyamoto said in an interview more than it did myself. And even if it didn't, I'd still say I'm right because the majority of Nintendo's install base is casuals and casuals don't like to get overly frustrated. That's one of the main reasons that they like Nintendo games. They are fun, they are challenge but they aren't overly frustrating.

That's my impression on Nintendo's install base. If you've got a problem with my conclusions, that's really your own problem, not mine. Why should I be bothered if you don't like my impressions on the matter?

I think they will both sell badly. I don't think any of the two will get past 1million WW. 

[QUOTE="taker42"][QUOTE="RurouniSaiyajin"][QUOTE="nytrospawn"][QUOTE="RurouniSaiyajin"]

This is actually a nice example that shows the size of the install base doesn't count for as much people think.

Although the DS has an install base of 40 million, it doesn't really matter much in the end. Liking to get overly frustrated isn't exactly the defining factor of the install base and with a Ninja Gaiden game, it's not only very likely, it's almost a guarantee Tecmo can put on the box. Ninja Gaiden is a franchise for the hardcore, those who can push through the frustration of the game and enjoy the gameplay for the difficulty that's causing the frustration.

On top of that, many Nintendo gamers, both fanboy and nonfanboys, always say how they couldn't care less about games like DMC and other hack n slash. Games like these don't really appeal to them that much.

So in the end, the sales for each version might actually be pretty close and if the DS does indeed win in sales, it won't be by as gigantic amount of sales as the fanboys in this thread are trying to make it look just because the size of the install base.

RurouniSaiyajin

I say that mostly on comments from nintendo gamers who have randomly made comments about hack and slashes in general and Ninja Gaiden fits in the category of hack and slashes. Hence why I said "many Nintendo gamers, both fanboy and nonfanboys, always say how they couldn't care less about games like DMC and other hack n slash"

It's funny you should try to devalue my impressions of Nintendo gamers on Hack and Slash games after asking for a survey, considering surveys involve asking a rather small group of people their opinions which are then said to reflect the vast millions of people in their category. My impressions are just that, impressions. Don't like them? Don't listen to them. Believe that Nintendo gamers love hack and Slash games to death. No one's holding a gun to your head to force you to believe what I believe.

If NG couldn't sell a million on the original XBox, whose gamers actually really liked this game and defend until their last breath against DMC all the time, I doubt it'll even sell a million on the DS. Ninja Gaiden really is meant mostly for the truly hardcore that can withstand the pain of humilitiation and defeat and put aside their frustration to enjoy the difficulty of the franchise. There aren't as many people willing to do this. Casuals for one are most likely to try this game, get owned severely like everyone else on their first tries but instead of pushing through, they'll just give up on the game because it's too hard. That said, I doubt it'll sell anywhere near the 10 million (1/4 of the DS fanbase) as you said

You're working under the impression that NGDS will be as difficult as it's Xbox counterparts, Though the reality is that (for better or worse) Team Ninja toned down the diffuculty for this game to make it more accessible for casuals.Luigi_Vincetana

Hmmmm, that's true. You do have a point. But I don't think the toned down difficulty will really affect the end result all that much. Gameplay wise, the sames gripes will be there.

anybody have numbers showing how well hardcore games (like castlevania) sell on the DS?

that might give us an indication of how well NG will do on the DS 

[QUOTE="nytrospawn"][QUOTE="RurouniSaiyajin"]

This is actually a nice example that shows the size of the install base doesn't count for as much people think.

Although the DS has an install base of 40 million, it doesn't really matter much in the end. Liking to get overly frustrated isn't exactly the defining factor of the install base and with a Ninja Gaiden game, it's not only very likely, it's almost a guarantee Tecmo can put on the box. Ninja Gaiden is a franchise for the hardcore, those who can push through the frustration of the game and enjoy the gameplay for the difficulty that's causing the frustration.

On top of that, many Nintendo gamers, both fanboy and nonfanboys, always say how they couldn't care less about games like DMC and other hack n slash. Games like these don't really appeal to them that much.

So in the end, the sales for each version might actually be pretty close and if the DS does indeed win in sales, it won't be by as gigantic amount of sales as the fanboys in this thread are trying to make it look just because the size of the install base.

RurouniSaiyajin

I say that mostly on comments from nintendo gamers who have randomly made comments about hack and slashes in general and Ninja Gaiden fits in the category of hack and slashes. Hence why I said "many Nintendo gamers, both fanboy and nonfanboys, always say how they couldn't care less about games like DMC and other hack n slash"

I have never seen these comments.. you claim.  Personally as a Nintendo fan, this is the main reason I bought a PS2. 

[QUOTE="Michael85"][QUOTE="RurouniSaiyajin"]

This is actually a nice example that shows the size of the install base doesn't count for as much people think.

Although the DS has an install base of 40 million, it doesn't really matter much in the end. Liking to get overly frustrated isn't exactly the defining factor of the install base and with a Ninja Gaiden game, it's not only very likely, it's almost a guarantee Tecmo can put on the box. Ninja Gaiden is a franchise for the hardcore, those who can push through the frustration of the game and enjoy the gameplay for the difficulty that's causing the frustration.

On top of that, many Nintendo gamers, both fanboy and nonfanboys, always say how they couldn't care less about games like DMC and other hack n slash. Games like these don't really appeal to them that much.

So in the end, the sales for each version might actually be pretty close and if the DS does indeed win in sales, it won't be by as gigantic amount of sales as the fanboys in this thread are trying to make it look just because the size of the install base.

RurouniSaiyajin

You done telling the userbase what it is they like, or are you ready to let them decide on their own, yet?

If you are talking about my comments about them not liking getting frustrated, well that came more from something Miyamoto said in an interview more than it did myself. And even if it didn't, I'd still say I'm right because the majority of Nintendo's install base is casuals and casuals don't like to get overly frustrated. That's one of the main reasons that they like Nintendo games. They are fun, they are challenge but they aren't overly frustrating.

That's my impression on Nintendo's install base. If you've got a problem with my conclusions, that's really your own problem, not mine. Why should I be bothered if you don't like my impressions on the matter?

Well, your imrpessions are completely baseless. You're spewing out opinions towards a very large and diverse group of people based on...nothing substantial.

[QUOTE="RurouniSaiyajin"][QUOTE="nytrospawn"][QUOTE="RurouniSaiyajin"]

This is actually a nice example that shows the size of the install base doesn't count for as much people think.

Although the DS has an install base of 40 million, it doesn't really matter much in the end. Liking to get overly frustrated isn't exactly the defining factor of the install base and with a Ninja Gaiden game, it's not only very likely, it's almost a guarantee Tecmo can put on the box. Ninja Gaiden is a franchise for the hardcore, those who can push through the frustration of the game and enjoy the gameplay for the difficulty that's causing the frustration.

On top of that, many Nintendo gamers, both fanboy and nonfanboys, always say how they couldn't care less about games like DMC and other hack n slash. Games like these don't really appeal to them that much.

So in the end, the sales for each version might actually be pretty close and if the DS does indeed win in sales, it won't be by as gigantic amount of sales as the fanboys in this thread are trying to make it look just because the size of the install base.

Devil-Itachi

I say that mostly on comments from nintendo gamers who have randomly made comments about hack and slashes in general and Ninja Gaiden fits in the category of hack and slashes. Hence why I said "many Nintendo gamers, both fanboy and nonfanboys, always say how they couldn't care less about games like DMC and other hack n slash"

I have never seen these comments.. you claim.  Personally as a Nintendo fan, this is the main reason I bought a PS2. 

Ninja Gaiden was never on the PS2. And that's why these comments are my impressions because I've seen these comments.

Well, your imrpessions are completely baseless. You're spewing out opinions towards a very large and diverse group of people based on...nothing substantial. Michael85

It's nice that you are believing what you want to believe like you said you should. Just like I believe that you are pretty much just like every other fanboy on this forum that believes their point of view is the only right point of view. But I don't care. If that is what you believe then I have no choice but to respect your beliefs and the possibility of them being true.

[QUOTE="Michael85"]

Well, your imrpessions are completely baseless. You're spewing out opinions towards a very large and diverse group of people based on...nothing substantial. RurouniSaiyajin

It's nice that you are believing what you want to believe like you said you should. Just like I believe that you are pretty much just like every other fanboy on this forum that believes their point of view is the only right point of view. But I don't care. If that is what you believe then I have no choice but to respect your beliefs and the possibility of them being true.

Now you're just typing for the sake of seeing yourself type.  If you can give me any evidence that the DS is so completely void of consumers who wouldn't purchase this game, then by all means.  I'll formally apologize.  Hell, I'll make a thread for it kissing your butt.

But if you're just going by what a bunch of angry teenagers on a message board say, most of whom are only saying so out of envy for the games not on their system, then your predictions deserve to fall flat on their face.

And they will. 

[QUOTE="RurouniSaiyajin"]

[QUOTE="Michael85"]

Well, your imrpessions are completely baseless. You're spewing out opinions towards a very large and diverse group of people based on...nothing substantial. Michael85

It's nice that you are believing what you want to believe like you said you should. Just like I believe that you are pretty much just like every other fanboy on this forum that believes their point of view is the only right point of view. But I don't care. If that is what you believe then I have no choice but to respect your beliefs and the possibility of them being true.

Now you're just typing for the sake of seeing yourself type.  If you can give me any evidence that the DS is so completely void of consumers who wouldn't purchase this game, then by all means.  I'll formally apologize.  Hell, I'll make a thread for it kissing your butt.

But if you're just going by what a bunch of angry teenagers on a message board say, most of whom are only saying so out of envy for the games not on their system, then your predictions deserve to fall flat on their face.

And they will. 

Like I said, I've witnessed both fanboys and non fanboys talking about how they dislike the genre and their arguments were debateable but their own. My impressions aren't based solely on "angry teenagers on a message board". They are also from Nintendo gamers that although I disagree with their stance on the matter, I respect them for being orderly, logical and just plain civil about it.

Furthermore, the devoid of evidence proving an argument does not make the argument true itself and is really a pointless stance. I can easily refute it by saying well unless you can provide the evidence that there is no evidence towards my argument, "your predictions desrve to fall flat on their face." Or better yet, I could ask you to find the evidence of the million(s) of people that are going to buy this game.

An opinion is an opinion. You can't devalue them simply because there's no official evidence. That's why they are even opinions.

[QUOTE="Michael85"][QUOTE="RurouniSaiyajin"]

[QUOTE="Michael85"]

Well, your imrpessions are completely baseless. You're spewing out opinions towards a very large and diverse group of people based on...nothing substantial. RurouniSaiyajin

It's nice that you are believing what you want to believe like you said you should. Just like I believe that you are pretty much just like every other fanboy on this forum that believes their point of view is the only right point of view. But I don't care. If that is what you believe then I have no choice but to respect your beliefs and the possibility of them being true.

Now you're just typing for the sake of seeing yourself type. If you can give me any evidence that the DS is so completely void of consumers who wouldn't purchase this game, then by all means. I'll formally apologize. Hell, I'll make a thread for it kissing your butt.

But if you're just going by what a bunch of angry teenagers on a message board say, most of whom are only saying so out of envy for the games not on their system, then your predictions deserve to fall flat on their face.

And they will.

Like I said, I've witnessed both fanboys and non fanboys talking about how they dislike the genre and their arguments were debateable but their own. My impressions aren't based solely on "angry teenagers on a message board". They are also from Nintendo gamers that although I disagree with their stance on the matter, I respect them for being orderly, logical and just plain civil about it.

Furthermore, the devoid of evidence proving an argument does not make the argument true itself and is really a pointless stance. I can easily refute it by saying well unless you can provide the evidence that there is no evidence towards my argument, "your predictions desrve to fall flat on their face." Or better yet, I could ask you to find the evidence of the million(s) of people that are going to buy this game.

An opinion is an opinion. You can't devalue them simply because there's no official evidence. That's why they are even opinions.

Burden of proof.  It's not my job to disprove your statements if you can't back them up.

Burden of proof.  It's not my job to disprove your statements if you can't back them up.

Michael85

Their opinions and impressions. They are backed up by memory but that isn't going to help you much since you can't exactly see the scenes replaying in my head like you would on a television show.

Guess we'll have to agree to disagree on this one.

Why dont you include NG2? we all know its coming out for christmasEducated_Gamer

[QUOTE="nytrospawn"][QUOTE="RurouniSaiyajin"]

This is actually a nice example that shows the size of the install base doesn't count for as much people think.

Although the DS has an install base of 40 million, it doesn't really matter much in the end. Liking to get overly frustrated isn't exactly the defining factor of the install base and with a Ninja Gaiden game, it's not only very likely, it's almost a guarantee Tecmo can put on the box. Ninja Gaiden is a franchise for the hardcore, those who can push through the frustration of the game and enjoy the gameplay for the difficulty that's causing the frustration.

On top of that, many Nintendo gamers, both fanboy and nonfanboys, always say how they couldn't care less about games like DMC and other hack n slash. Games like these don't really appeal to them that much.

So in the end, the sales for each version might actually be pretty close and if the DS does indeed win in sales, it won't be by as gigantic amount of sales as the fanboys in this thread are trying to make it look just because the size of the install base.

RurouniSaiyajin

I say that mostly on comments from nintendo gamers who have randomly made comments about hack and slashes in general and Ninja Gaiden fits in the category of hack and slashes. Hence why I said "many Nintendo gamers, both fanboy and nonfanboys, always say how they couldn't care less about games like DMC and other hack n slash"

Making sales predictions based on gamers talking in forums is an imprecise science at best.

Your general comments about userbase are correct in principle.  The classic example is Resident Evil 4, where global sales of the title were only about 25% lower on the GameCube despite the 5:1 discrepancy in userbase.  In North America the GameCube version actually sold more total copies than the PS2 version, despite the 4:1 platform ratio.

On the other hand, no-one said that the sales of NGDS would be overwhelmingly higher than the sales of Sigma, just that due to the userbase discrepancy it was overwhelmingly likely that NGDS would sell the greater total.

However, If we want to get down to cases, NG DS is going to stomp all over Sigma for a variety of reasons.  One big reason that's already been mentioned is userbase.  Another is the relative price of the games.