while the lemmings drool over forge.....

this is what sandbox 2.0 from crysis has been making.

for clarification: this map is made entirely from scratch....not new objects placed over an old map...everything here is new...terrain, textures...etc.

this is what sandbox 2.0 from crysis has been making.

cobrax25

Wow, Forge is nothing like this. Thank you for making a comparison ot two things that are completely unlike each other.

A couple of boxes and a chicken. That's not impressive by any standard.

If you were trying to prove how this was so much better than forge, use a pic that is at least somewhat interesting.

A couple of boxes and a chicken. That's not impressive by any standard.

If you were trying to prove how this was so much better than forge, use a pic that is at least somewhat interesting.

dracula_16

lol...do you not know what a real map editor looks like?

everything in this map is created entirely from scratch....the terrain...the textures...everything....objectes werent just placed in random locations....

you can download this map...its completly new...created entirly from the sandbox editor.....

hell...the sandbox editor...lets you program AI.....even create particle effects....this is what an SDK looks like.

If you want to make the Sandbox Editor 2.0 look better than Forge, at least make a more expansive looking level. Also, add in some giant sea turtles or giant chickens or something for good measure.

Forge isn't a map editor...and it's not trying to be. So why is it being compared with map editors?

Does that seem logical to anyone?

Forge isn't a map editor...and it's not trying to be. So why is it being compared with map editors?

Does that seem logical to anyone?

bezaire2005

Forge isn't a map editor...and it's not trying to be. So why is it being compared with map editors?

Does that seem logical to anyone?

bezaire2005

Forge is a map editor. Just because you can't create your own textures and objects doesn't take away from what an editor is. Sandbox 2 is more like a developers kit which is entirely different from what Forge is.

"Oh noez, hes using full developer software versus a game mode, hez teh winnarz"

[QUOTE="bezaire2005"]

Forge isn't a map editor...and it's not trying to be. So why is it being compared with map editors?

Does that seem logical to anyone?

Spartan070

That's because there are some lemmings who claim it's the best thing ever.

[QUOTE="bezaire2005"]

Forge isn't a map editor...and it's not trying to be. So why is it being compared with map editors?

Does that seem logical to anyone?

Pro_wrestler

Forge is a map editor. Just because you can't create your own textures and objects doesn't take away from what an editor is. Sandbox 2 is more like a developers kit which is entirely different from what Forge is.

"Oh noez, hes using full developer software versus a game mode, hez teh winnarz"

Bungie wasn't trying to compete with the map editors out there. It's not like they tried to make a revolutionary feature that surpassed anything before it and failed at it....they knew what they wanted to offer it's gamers and they succeed in offering it.

And alright...all you really did was prove my point butchange the definitions around...so I guess that somehow makes you right? We'll try thisagainusing your logic:

Forge isn't a sandbox2 developer kit...and it's not trying to be. So why is it being compared with sandbox2 developer kits?

Does that seem logical to anyone?

And you did a good job with that last quote...you should be proud of yourself.

[QUOTE="Spartan070"][QUOTE="bezaire2005"]

Forge isn't a map editor...and it's not trying to be. So why is it being compared with map editors?

Does that seem logical to anyone?

OXIIIIXO

That's because there are some lemmings who claim it's the best thing ever.

big effin deal. There are morons on every side of system wars. Does it really make sense to single out a few "lemmings" when there are millions of 360 owners who have differing opinions?

[QUOTE="Pro_wrestler"][QUOTE="bezaire2005"]

Forge isn't a map editor...and it's not trying to be. So why is it being compared with map editors?

Does that seem logical to anyone?

bezaire2005

Forge is a map editor. Just because you can't create your own textures and objects doesn't take away from what an editor is. Sandbox 2 is more like a developers kit which is entirely different from what Forge is.

"Oh noez, hes using full developer software versus a game mode, hez teh winnarz"

Bungie wasn't trying to compete with the map editors out there. It's not like they tried to make a revolutionary feature that surpassed anything before it and failed at it....they knew what they wanted to offer it's gamers and they succeed in offering it.

And alright...all you really did was prove my point butchange the definitions around...so I guess that somehow makes you right? We'll try thisagainusing your logic:

Forge isn't a sandbox2 developer kit...and it's not trying to be. So why is it being compared with sandbox2 developer kits?

Does that seem logical to anyone?

And you did a good job with that last quote...you should be proud of yourself.

Forge is incomplete. It's a last minute addition to make the whole package look better.

[QUOTE="OXIIIIXO"][QUOTE="Spartan070"][QUOTE="bezaire2005"]

Forge isn't a map editor...and it's not trying to be. So why is it being compared with map editors?

Does that seem logical to anyone?

bezaire2005

That's because there are some lemmings who claim it's the best thing ever.

big effin deal. There are morons on every side of system wars. Does it really make sense to single out a few "lemmings" when there are millions of 360 owners who have differing opinions?

I said "some" not all.

[QUOTE="bezaire2005"][QUOTE="Pro_wrestler"][QUOTE="bezaire2005"]

Forge isn't a map editor...and it's not trying to be. So why is it being compared with map editors?

Does that seem logical to anyone?

OXIIIIXO

Forge is a map editor. Just because you can't create your own textures and objects doesn't take away from what an editor is. Sandbox 2 is more like a developers kit which is entirely different from what Forge is.

"Oh noez, hes using full developer software versus a game mode, hez teh winnarz"

Bungie wasn't trying to compete with the map editors out there. It's not like they tried to make a revolutionary feature that surpassed anything before it and failed at it....they knew what they wanted to offer it's gamers and they succeed in offering it.

And alright...all you really did was prove my point butchange the definitions around...so I guess that somehow makes you right? We'll try thisagainusing your logic:

Forge isn't a sandbox2 developer kit...and it's not trying to be. So why is it being compared with sandbox2 developer kits?

Does that seem logical to anyone?

And you did a good job with that last quote...you should be proud of yourself.

Forge is incomplete. It's a last minute addition to make the whole package look better.

How exatly is it incomplete? What did Bungie want to put in the game but didn't have enough time to include? They were very precise with stating what the aim of The Forge was, and they delivered. Who are you to say when they began to plan The Forge (last minute?) or that they intended to offer more than they really did?

[QUOTE="bezaire2005"][QUOTE="OXIIIIXO"][QUOTE="Spartan070"][QUOTE="bezaire2005"]

Forge isn't a map editor...and it's not trying to be. So why is it being compared with map editors?

Does that seem logical to anyone?

OXIIIIXO

That's because there are some lemmings who claim it's the best thing ever.

big effin deal. There are morons on every side of system wars. Does it really make sense to single out a few "lemmings" when there are millions of 360 owners who have differing opinions?

I said "some" not all.

I didn't say that you said "all". In fact I said only a "few"....so if anything we are saying the same thing.

"SINGLE OUT A FEW LEMMMINGS"....how is this me saying that you said "all"?

[QUOTE="OXIIIIXO"][QUOTE="bezaire2005"][QUOTE="Pro_wrestler"][QUOTE="bezaire2005"]

Forge isn't a map editor...and it's not trying to be. So why is it being compared with map editors?

Does that seem logical to anyone?

bezaire2005

Forge is a map editor. Just because you can't create your own textures and objects doesn't take away from what an editor is. Sandbox 2 is more like a developers kit which is entirely different from what Forge is.

"Oh noez, hes using full developer software versus a game mode, hez teh winnarz"

Bungie wasn't trying to compete with the map editors out there. It's not like they tried to make a revolutionary feature that surpassed anything before it and failed at it....they knew what they wanted to offer it's gamers and they succeed in offering it.

And alright...all you really did was prove my point butchange the definitions around...so I guess that somehow makes you right? We'll try thisagainusing your logic:

Forge isn't a sandbox2 developer kit...and it's not trying to be. So why is it being compared with sandbox2 developer kits?

Does that seem logical to anyone?

And you did a good job with that last quote...you should be proud of yourself.

Forge is incomplete. It's a last minute addition to make the whole package look better.

How exatly is it incomplete? What did Bungie want to put in the game but didn't have enough time to include? They were very precise with stating what the aim of The Forge was, and they delivered. Who are you to say when they began to plan The Forge (last minute?) or that they intended to offer more than they really did?

I mean, it's incomplete as a map editor. Just because they delivered, it doesn't mean it's not underwhelming.

[QUOTE="OXIIIIXO"][QUOTE="bezaire2005"][QUOTE="OXIIIIXO"][QUOTE="Spartan070"][QUOTE="bezaire2005"]

Forge isn't a map editor...and it's not trying to be. So why is it being compared with map editors?

Does that seem logical to anyone?

bezaire2005

That's because there are some lemmings who claim it's the best thing ever.

big effin deal. There are morons on every side of system wars. Does it really make sense to single out a few "lemmings" when there are millions of 360 owners who have differing opinions?

I said "some" not all.

I didn't say that you said "all". In fact I said only a "few"....so if anything we are saying the same thing.

"SINGLE OUT A FEW LEMMMINGS"....how is this me saying that you said "all"?

My bad, I wasn't reading carefully.

[QUOTE="bezaire2005"][QUOTE="OXIIIIXO"][QUOTE="bezaire2005"][QUOTE="Pro_wrestler"][QUOTE="bezaire2005"]

Forge isn't a map editor...and it's not trying to be. So why is it being compared with map editors?

Does that seem logical to anyone?

OXIIIIXO

Forge is a map editor. Just because you can't create your own textures and objects doesn't take away from what an editor is. Sandbox 2 is more like a developers kit which is entirely different from what Forge is.

"Oh noez, hes using full developer software versus a game mode, hez teh winnarz"

Bungie wasn't trying to compete with the map editors out there. It's not like they tried to make a revolutionary feature that surpassed anything before it and failed at it....they knew what they wanted to offer it's gamers and they succeed in offering it.

And alright...all you really did was prove my point butchange the definitions around...so I guess that somehow makes you right? We'll try thisagainusing your logic:

Forge isn't a sandbox2 developer kit...and it's not trying to be. So why is it being compared with sandbox2 developer kits?

Does that seem logical to anyone?

And you did a good job with that last quote...you should be proud of yourself.

Forge is incomplete. It's a last minute addition to make the whole package look better.

How exatly is it incomplete? What did Bungie want to put in the game but didn't have enough time to include? They were very precise with stating what the aim of The Forge was, and they delivered. Who are you to say when they began to plan The Forge (last minute?) or that they intended to offer more than they really did?

I mean, it's incomplete as a map editor. Just because they delivered, it doesn't mean it's not underwhelming.

You are right. Bungie tried to makeThe Forgea complete map editor, and they did this by not allowing you to edit the map. It is completly logical to believe that Bungie tried to make The Forge a map editor, even though they have clearly stated that The Forge is not a map editor.

[/sarcasm]

Getting this excited over a level editor...

Never thought i'd see the day. The TC's first post was literally praising a level editor as if it was godly. I mean...seriously...

It's a level editor people, who cares? If the game sucks a level editor won't help that fact. Halo 3 is proven to be a great game now it's Crysis's turn to step up to the plate.

[QUOTE="OXIIIIXO"][QUOTE="bezaire2005"][QUOTE="OXIIIIXO"][QUOTE="bezaire2005"][QUOTE="Pro_wrestler"][QUOTE="bezaire2005"]

Forge isn't a map editor...and it's not trying to be. So why is it being compared with map editors?

Does that seem logical to anyone?

bezaire2005

Forge is a map editor. Just because you can't create your own textures and objects doesn't take away from what an editor is. Sandbox 2 is more like a developers kit which is entirely different from what Forge is.

"Oh noez, hes using full developer software versus a game mode, hez teh winnarz"

Bungie wasn't trying to compete with the map editors out there. It's not like they tried to make a revolutionary feature that surpassed anything before it and failed at it....they knew what they wanted to offer it's gamers and they succeed in offering it.

And alright...all you really did was prove my point butchange the definitions around...so I guess that somehow makes you right? We'll try thisagainusing your logic:

Forge isn't a sandbox2 developer kit...and it's not trying to be. So why is it being compared with sandbox2 developer kits?

Does that seem logical to anyone?

And you did a good job with that last quote...you should be proud of yourself.

Forge is incomplete. It's a last minute addition to make the whole package look better.

How exatly is it incomplete? What did Bungie want to put in the game but didn't have enough time to include? They were very precise with stating what the aim of The Forge was, and they delivered. Who are you to say when they began to plan The Forge (last minute?) or that they intended to offer more than they really did?

I mean, it's incomplete as a map editor. Just because they delivered, it doesn't mean it's not underwhelming.

You are right. Bungie tried to makeThe Forgea complete map editor, and they did this by not allowing you to edit the map. It is completly logical to believe that Bungie tried to make The Forge a map editor, even though they have clearly stated that The Forge is not a map editor.

[/sarcasm]

Forge is a map editor, not as advanced as Sandbox 2, but it's still a map editor and thus comparable to sandbox 2.

[QUOTE="bezaire2005"][QUOTE="OXIIIIXO"][QUOTE="bezaire2005"][QUOTE="OXIIIIXO"][QUOTE="bezaire2005"][QUOTE="Pro_wrestler"][QUOTE="bezaire2005"]

Forge isn't a map editor...and it's not trying to be. So why is it being compared with map editors?

Does that seem logical to anyone?

OXIIIIXO

Forge is a map editor. Just because you can't create your own textures and objects doesn't take away from what an editor is. Sandbox 2 is more like a developers kit which is entirely different from what Forge is.

"Oh noez, hes using full developer software versus a game mode, hez teh winnarz"

Bungie wasn't trying to compete with the map editors out there. It's not like they tried to make a revolutionary feature that surpassed anything before it and failed at it....they knew what they wanted to offer it's gamers and they succeed in offering it.

And alright...all you really did was prove my point butchange the definitions around...so I guess that somehow makes you right? We'll try thisagainusing your logic:

Forge isn't a sandbox2 developer kit...and it's not trying to be. So why is it being compared with sandbox2 developer kits?

Does that seem logical to anyone?

And you did a good job with that last quote...you should be proud of yourself.

Forge is incomplete. It's a last minute addition to make the whole package look better.

How exatly is it incomplete? What did Bungie want to put in the game but didn't have enough time to include? They were very precise with stating what the aim of The Forge was, and they delivered. Who are you to say when they began to plan The Forge (last minute?) or that they intended to offer more than they really did?

I mean, it's incomplete as a map editor. Just because they delivered, it doesn't mean it's not underwhelming.

You are right. Bungie tried to makeThe Forgea complete map editor, and they did this by not allowing you to edit the map. It is completly logical to believe that Bungie tried to make The Forge a map editor, even though they have clearly stated that The Forge is not a map editor.

[/sarcasm]

.

Forge is a map editor, not as advanced as Sandbox 2, but it's still a map editor and thus comparable to sandbox 2.

lol you are clearly shooting yourself in the foot.

You defined the sandbox 2 as a developer kit, not a map editor. Than you defined The Forge as a map editor. Now you are trying to compare the two of them as if they are both map editors?

It's like saying an orange is not as good at being an apple as an apple is.

LOL: lack of logic.

Forge is more of just a game mode(/game mode modifier), like slayer and capture the flag. Sandbox 2 is an awesome map editor with tornados (pretty much the only thing I've done in it).

I don't think they are even trying to be th same thing.

Forge = crapBlueBarad

No, but many things are better than it

Do any Halo 3 owners here actually use Forge? I've checked it out once by myself to see what it was like, and I've had absolutely no urge to go back and try it with others. Vyse_The_Daring

[QUOTE="Vyse_The_Daring"]Do any Halo 3 owners here actually use Forge? I've checked it out once by myself to see what it was like, and I've had absolutely no urge to go back and try it with others. Spartan070

Honestly, if you dwel a bit deeper in what people are doing with forge, you be suprized. It may be a bit limited to a degree, but it does get the job done. I am suprized with some of the customed maps people done.. I am currently work on my own for a version of Infection. Anyways, itsa good start. This makes me think what Starcraft 2 map editor will be like. Also, the Unreal Series had some of the best editing programs.

this is what sandbox 2.0 from crysis has been making.

for clarification: this map is made entirely from scratch....not new objects placed over an old map...everything here is new...terrain, textures...etc.

cobrax25

Are you sure? I thought I played that map, it was the same shape and AI placement that the demo map had, but wit hsnow and lots of extra stuff.