White Knight Story looks better than Lost Odyssey.

White Knight's combat story looks extremely repetitive, and deeply flawed, but everything else looks great. I mean this due to the one-button combat and the single-series combo which you would see 5000000 times and would stop being cool after ten.

LO looks like a pretty good game with flawed storytelling mechanics (too much cutscene, too much book). Can't say as to its combat, except it looks like same-old fare.

FF XIII is my real JRPG.

yes, but was it worth a thread?

Oh wait this is SW.

We have not seen everything of LO, so i can't decide, but FOR NOW, White Knight villages and grasses are better as art, as graphics they are both amazing

I have seen some small scans of LO tohugh, that has some STUNNING villages too, so could be a tie

Any idea when WKC comes to US ???

Who agrees?Baurus_1

Agreed.

Even if it didn't, it comes down to pedigree. Which dev do you trust? Sagaguchi, who hasn't directed a FF in YEARS (When he left Square, he wasn't a power dev, just an idea man), has older ideas, and just released the mediocre Blue Dragon or LEVEL 5, who just haven't missed a beat yet?

Guess what? I'll be buying both, so it really doesn't matter to me! Yay me! From a, however, 360 Vs PS3 point of view, I'd say that for now, LO is stronger in the story/traditional aspect while WNC is stronger in the combat/exploration aspect, but then again, that's Level 5's thing, though they outdid themselves with Dragon Quest VIII. Still, Infinite Undiscovery and The Last Remnant are also two games to watch out for in this genre, so yeah! All four for me! :D

Guess what? I'll be buying both, so it really doesn't matter to me! Yay me! From a, however, 360 Vs PS3 point of view, I'd say that for now, LO is stronger in the story/traditional aspect while WNC is stronger in the combat/exploration aspect, but then again, that's Level 5's thing, though they outdid themselves with Dragon Quest VIII. Still, Infinite Undiscovery and The Last Remnant are also two games to watch out for in this genre, so yeah! All four for me! :D

Cerberus_Legion

Hell, i am DEFINATLY buying both too

[QUOTE="Baurus_1"]Who agrees?SolidTy

Agreed.

Even if it didn't, it comes down to pedigree. Which dev do you trust? Sagaguchi, who hasn't directed a FF in YEARS (When he left Square, he wasn't a power dev, just an idea man), has older ideas, and just released the mediocre Blue Dragon or LEVEL 5, who just haven't missed a beat yet?

Well, the RPG from a man that made FF7 or from a team that made Dark Cloud 2 ?

Well, both is the answer and you know it, just don';t judge by the kiddy Blue Dragon, that was probably MS idea

[QUOTE="SolidTy"]

[QUOTE="Baurus_1"]Who agrees?saolin323

Agreed.

Even if it didn't, it comes down to pedigree. Which dev do you trust? Sagaguchi, who hasn't directed a FF in YEARS (When he left Square, he wasn't a power dev, just an idea man), has older ideas, and just released the mediocre Blue Dragon or LEVEL 5, who just haven't missed a beat yet?

Well, the RPG from a man that made FF7 or from a team that made Dark Cloud 2 ?

Well, both is the answer and you know it, just don';t judge by the kiddy Blue Dragon, that was probably MS idea

You mean from the team that created the GREAT "Dragon Quest VIII" but weak"Dark Cloud II," compared to the man that created the vastly overrated "Final Fantasy VII" but the genius "Final Fantasy IX?" It works both ways, ya know. Level 5 is a competent JRPG developer; none of their projects thus far have failed, wheareas Sakaguchi is pinned on his old ways and is too dependent on "Cut Scenes" to tell the story... I can honestly tell ya, Blue Dragon was NOT MS' idea.. It was Sakaguchi, he wanted to create a spiritual successor to Chrono Trigger, but the art style is the ONLY thing that reminds me of CT. Other than that, Blue Dragon was mediocre. Still, LO looks great and so does White Knight..

[QUOTE="SolidTy"]

[QUOTE="Baurus_1"]Who agrees?saolin323

Agreed.

Even if it didn't, it comes down to pedigree. Which dev do you trust? Sagaguchi, who hasn't directed a FF in YEARS (When he left Square, he wasn't a power dev, just an idea man), has older ideas, and just released the mediocre Blue Dragon or LEVEL 5, who just haven't missed a beat yet?

Well, the RPG from a man that made FF7 or from a team that made Dark Cloud 2 ?

Well, both is the answer and you know it, just don';t judge by the kiddy Blue Dragon, that was probably MS idea

LO might not look the hottest but it sounds like it will tell one hell of a yarn! White Knight Story...who knows or cares but Factor 5 isn't exactly a great story teller.JiveT

[QUOTE="SolidTy"]

[QUOTE="Baurus_1"]Who agrees?saolin323

Agreed.

Even if it didn't, it comes down to pedigree. Which dev do you trust? Sagaguchi, who hasn't directed a FF in YEARS (When he left Square, he wasn't a power dev, just an idea man), has older ideas, and just released the mediocre Blue Dragon or LEVEL 5, who just haven't missed a beat yet?

Well, the RPG from a man that made FF7 or from a team that made Dark Cloud 2 ?

Well, both is the answer and you know it, just don';t judge by the kiddy Blue Dragon, that was probably MS idea

one man did not create Final Fantasy VII. And how come you dont give credit to people like Tetsuya Nomura or Nobuo Uematsu? without those 2, final fantasy 7 would have been an epic flop.

Lost Odyssey looks like a Final Fantasy game to me (Cyber Punk style, classical roots to swords and magic while still tied to an idealistic utopic society approving of advanced technology, flying airships, etc.).

This is the main reason I still can't get myself to upgrade to the next-generation of consoles. I play all games, but JRPGs (Dragon Quest, Final Fantasy, Shin Megami Tensei) are my main games, with FPS's (good ones, not generic ones) and Niche Titles (Katamari Series, ICO, Okami, Shadow Of the Colossus, etc.) a close second to most-played-games.

Annoyingingly enough, XBOX360 has full of "recycled-gameplay" games with tried-and-true mechanics, but rarely takes a leap forward in experimenting new gameplay aspects : the PS3 as a powerhouse console provides that with titles such as Little Big Planet and FFXIII trying to push the genre forward.

So literally, it's a split between the two consoles, and I have little intention in getting both. The single most hyped JRPG this generation is coming to the PS3 (FFXIII) along with the multi-plat Last Remant, and those alone would make me buy the console. It's currently poor success concerns me, as I am investing in either this or X360 to provide me with a wide, assorted library of games from all genres (not just FPS after FPS like the 360).

However, the X360 has got Eternal Sonata (forget Blue Dragon, too generic), Lost Odyssey and the Last Remnant as well, + all the great Western games you can play in general. It also got "former-exclusives" from Sony such as GTA5 & DMC4 that encourages me to settle with it.

GABAH!

Story wise, I don't know, maybe LO,the stuff all about 1000 years ago I was a legend and now Im a regular guy sitting in a bar drinking gasoline is cool, but WKS more appealing as an overall game.

Story wise, I don't know, maybe LO,the stuff all about 1000 years ago I was a legend and now Im a regular guy sitting in a bar drinking gasoline is cool, but WKS more appealing as an overall game.

HAZE-Unit

I literally started crying from laughing :lol:

Lost Odyssey looks like a Final Fantasy game to me (Cyber Punk style, classical roots to swords and magic while still tied to an idealistic utopic society approving of advanced technology, flying airships, etc.).

This is the main reason I still can't get myself to upgrade to the next-generation of consoles. I play all games, but JRPGs (Dragon Quest, Final Fantasy, Shin Megami Tensei) are my main games, with FPS's (good ones, not generic ones) and Niche Titles (Katamari Series, ICO, Okami, Shadow Of the Colossus, etc.) a close second to most-played-games.

Annoyingingly enough, XBOX360 has full of "recycled-gameplay" games with tried-and-true mechanics, but rarely takes a leap forward in experimenting new gameplay aspects : the PS3 as a powerhouse console provides that with titles such as Little Big Planet and FFXIII trying to push the genre forward.

So literally, it's a split between the two consoles, and I have little intention in getting both. The single most hyped JRPG this generation is coming to the PS3 (FFXIII) along with the multi-plat Last Remant, and those alone would make me buy the console. It's currently poor success concerns me, as I am investing in either this or X360 to provide me with a wide, assorted library of games from all genres (not just FPS after FPS like the 360).

However, the X360 has got Eternal Sonata (forget Blue Dragon, too generic), Lost Odyssey and the Last Remnant as well, + all the great Western games you can play in general. It also got "former-exclusives" from Sony such as GTA5 & DMC4 that encourages me to settle with it.

GABAH!

Brainhunter

The ICO/Shadow of the Colossus team have been working on a PS3 title for quite some time, but it's still not revealed. I can't wait to see what they have been working on! Disgaea 3 is coming to the PS3 too.

[QUOTE="saolin323"][QUOTE="SolidTy"]

[QUOTE="Baurus_1"]Who agrees?-Serpahim-

Agreed.

Even if it didn't, it comes down to pedigree. Which dev do you trust? Sagaguchi, who hasn't directed a FF in YEARS (When he left Square, he wasn't a power dev, just an idea man), has older ideas, and just released the mediocre Blue Dragon or LEVEL 5, who just haven't missed a beat yet?

Well, the RPG from a man that made FF7 or from a team that made Dark Cloud 2 ?

Well, both is the answer and you know it, just don';t judge by the kiddy Blue Dragon, that was probably MS idea

one man did not create Final Fantasy VII. And how come you dont give credit to people like Tetsuya Nomura or Nobuo Uematsu? without those 2, final fantasy 7 would have been an epic flop.

You DO know that Uematsu is the head composer for LO, right?

Both look decent.

But as I grow older I find that I am losing my taste in JRPG's. Far to long and even with all the length bashing of ME, to me its just about right. 15 hour Main quest and 10-30 hours of side quests for people who wanna delve deeper.

Gone for meare the 3-6 hour gaming a day. And with the gaming industry growing up, games do need to get shorter, tho cheaper and with maybe unlockable/downloadable extra missions/stories and MP/Coop to extend their play.

[QUOTE="Baurus_1"]Who agrees?SolidTy

Agreed.

Even if it didn't, it comes down to pedigree. Which dev do you trust? Sagaguchi, who hasn't directed a FF in YEARS (When he left Square, he wasn't a power dev, just an idea man), has older ideas, and just released the mediocre Blue Dragon or LEVEL 5, who just haven't missed a beat yet?

I trust the award-winning creator of Final Fantasy VI directing the game, the award-winning novelist writing the story, the award-winning artist creating the principal character art, and the award-winning composer composing the music.

You're right, it DOES all come down to pedigree.

Who agrees?Baurus_1

I don't.

White Knight Story and Lost Odyssey both look weak in the gameplay department, but I'm reasonably certain that Lost Odyssey will have better art, music, and story, which, to me, are infinitely more important in an interactive novel (also known as a JRPG :P) than raw gameplay.

Good Points!

However, learning from this information pains me : I'm hesitant to buy any console if its future isn't at the very least successful.

The PS3 is doing absymal since its release, and even if its library will greatly add up, every day it becomes closer to becoming a console in at least 2nd place (XBOX or Gamecube position).

Same goes for the XBOX360 : While I do applaud the games that have come out so far, the RPGs on it don't appeal me, even if they are good (I hate Space SciFi games, so even if Mass Effect is good, I'll hate it, since I hate Star Wars, I hate Star Trek, I hate the Stargate series and anything that has to do with space and laserbeams and giant flying robots (Gundam series) in general). The Hardware RROD defects are a turn-off : I will never buy a console with such ridiculous failure rates. Not only this, but I just can't see this ever winning in Japan : and since I tend to play a lot more Japan-created games than I do North-American / European games (due to the JRPG aspect), that's a point to consider.

And the Wii...well, it's already WAY AHEAD of the competition, circling around the two slow behemoths in terms of sales. Dragon Quest Swords is coming out on the Wii, and a couple of JRPGs that are pretty much still unannounced. And I feel the Wii as being a secondary console : it doesn't have a truly next-gen feel to it without a graphics overhaul. I will get one eventually, but only to complement the PS3 or X360. My PS2 has more RPGs to play with than any of the consoles right now : this is why I haven't moved up this generation just yet. I'm busy away playing on my DS with its niche titles and the PC for its quality FPS games (Crysis, Orange Box, and Bioshock, even though its a port, to name a few).

[QUOTE="HAZE-Unit"]

Story wise, I don't know, maybe LO,the stuff all about 1000 years ago I was a legend and now Im a regular guy sitting in a bar drinking gasoline is cool, but WKS more appealing as an overall game.

-Serpahim-

I literally started crying from laughing :lol:

If you want some more laughs, see my blog post, if you want me to continue doing it, just comment on it.

Agreed, but Infinite Undiscovery looks better than both.BioShockOwnz

QFT, and Mistwalker are making Cry on for the 360 as well which sounds excellent so far

Also, eternal sonata is coming out in early 08 for the PS3 with extra features.osirisomeomi

Ya, but I heard Eternal Sonata on PS3 is exclusive to Japan. >.>

[QUOTE="-Serpahim-"][QUOTE="saolin323"][QUOTE="SolidTy"]

[QUOTE="Baurus_1"]Who agrees?mjarantilla

Agreed.

Even if it didn't, it comes down to pedigree. Which dev do you trust? Sagaguchi, who hasn't directed a FF in YEARS (When he left Square, he wasn't a power dev, just an idea man), has older ideas, and just released the mediocre Blue Dragon or LEVEL 5, who just haven't missed a beat yet?

Well, the RPG from a man that made FF7 or from a team that made Dark Cloud 2 ?

Well, both is the answer and you know it, just don';t judge by the kiddy Blue Dragon, that was probably MS idea

one man did not create Final Fantasy VII. And how come you dont give credit to people like Tetsuya Nomura or Nobuo Uematsu? without those 2, final fantasy 7 would have been an epic flop.

You DO know that Uematsu is the head composer for LO, right?

really!? :shock: Oh man, Lost Odessy just turned into a must buy for me :D

[QUOTE="SolidTy"]

[QUOTE="Baurus_1"]Who agrees?mjarantilla

Agreed.

Even if it didn't, it comes down to pedigree. Which dev do you trust? Sagaguchi, who hasn't directed a FF in YEARS (When he left Square, he wasn't a power dev, just an idea man), has older ideas, and just released the mediocre Blue Dragon or LEVEL 5, who just haven't missed a beat yet?

I trust the award-winning creator of Final Fantasy VI directing the game, the award-winning novelist writing the story, the award-winning artist creating the principal character art, and the award-winning composer composing the music.

You're right, it DOES all come down to pedigree.

See, where games really get their mojo from is gameplay, and Sagaguchi hasn't impressed me in a decade. He's too oldschool.

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="-Serpahim-"][QUOTE="saolin323"][QUOTE="SolidTy"]

[QUOTE="Baurus_1"]Who agrees?-Serpahim-

Agreed.

Even if it didn't, it comes down to pedigree. Which dev do you trust? Sagaguchi, who hasn't directed a FF in YEARS (When he left Square, he wasn't a power dev, just an idea man), has older ideas, and just released the mediocre Blue Dragon or LEVEL 5, who just haven't missed a beat yet?

Well, the RPG from a man that made FF7 or from a team that made Dark Cloud 2 ?

Well, both is the answer and you know it, just don';t judge by the kiddy Blue Dragon, that was probably MS idea

one man did not create Final Fantasy VII. And how come you dont give credit to people like Tetsuya Nomura or Nobuo Uematsu? without those 2, final fantasy 7 would have been an epic flop.

You DO know that Uematsu is the head composer for LO, right?

really!? :shock: Oh man, Lost Odessy just turned into a must buy for me :D

http://youtube.com/watch?v=q5vb6VFOiCI

:D

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="SolidTy"]Agreed.

Even if it didn't, it comes down to pedigree. Which dev do you trust? Sagaguchi, who hasn't directed a FF in YEARS (When he left Square, he wasn't a power dev, just an idea man), has older ideas, and just released the mediocre Blue Dragon or LEVEL 5, who just haven't missed a beat yet?

SolidTy

I trust the award-winning creator of Final Fantasy VI directing the game, the award-winning novelist writing the story, the award-winning artist creating the principal character art, and the award-winning composer composing the music.

You're right, it DOES all come down to pedigree.

See, where games really get their mojo from is gameplay, and Sagaguchi hasn't impressed me in a decade. He's too oldschool.

Not for JRPGs. The story has always been paramount in JRPGs. Even the best JRPGs have never been more than mediocre at gameplay. Well, at least by current, ADD-infested standards. I still think turn-based RPGs have some great battles that force strategic and tactical thinking rather than relying on twitch like most new games.

You know what i think SquareEnix need to do? they need to make a "Final Fantasy: Black". "FF Black? wtf is this guy talking about!?" lemme explain. Remember how twisted metal reached its pinnacle at 2, which was rather silly in tone? then TM series got screwed over till it came back with TM Black? more real, more gruesome, more disturbing? thats what Final Fantasy needs. Im not saying that they should all of the sudden start throwing blood everywhere (because we know what that did to prince of persia...) im just saying that it needs to shake things up. Do sumthing new! Maybe cut down on the fantasy aspect a little bit. I know its called final FANTASY, but maybe cut back on the magic a little bit and encourage the technological aspects. The magic would still be there, but just dont let it overshadow the technological aspects. I feel that this would create a darker more grounded FF world. Like think of FFVII. it was a great game but the FF world just doesnt seem real and tangible. i want sumthing more tangible. I know no one understands what i just said, but i tried :P-Serpahim-

Twisted Metal 3 and 4 were by far my favorite :|

However, about the "FF black," FF has brought some blackness to the series before. Think Sephiroth and Kefta...maybe even Kuja or seifer/edna. Those games were better IMO than games with Seymour and kings who bear a strong resemblance to him if you know what i'm talking about:D. I dissagree that FF should just go hardcore dark because another thing that makes certain games in the series amazing are the lovable characters with fun personalities. Having fun instead of getting all deep. If people want to get deep, go play MGS. FF needs to go back to making the characters and environments fun. Most of 12 was pretty serious with little or no comedic relief or mini-games or anything of the sort. The characters also lacked strong personality. If FF keeps going in their current direction, they will lose a large portion of their audience.

[QUOTE="-Serpahim-"]You know what i think SquareEnix need to do? they need to make a "Final Fantasy: Black". "FF Black? wtf is this guy talking about!?" lemme explain. Remember how twisted metal reached its pinnacle at 2, which was rather silly in tone? then TM series got screwed over till it came back with TM Black? more real, more gruesome, more disturbing? thats what Final Fantasy needs. Im not saying that they should all of the sudden start throwing blood everywhere (because we know what that did to prince of persia...) im just saying that it needs to shake things up. Do sumthing new! Maybe cut down on the fantasy aspect a little bit. I know its called final FANTASY, but maybe cut back on the magic a little bit and encourage the technological aspects. The magic would still be there, but just dont let it overshadow the technological aspects. I feel that this would create a darker more grounded FF world. Like think of FFVII. it was a great game but the FF world just doesnt seem real and tangible. i want sumthing more tangible. I know no one understands what i just said, but i tried :PDerek240

Twisted Metal 3 and 4 were by far my favorite :|

However, about the "FF black," FF has brought some blackness to the series before. Think Sephiroth and Kefta...maybe even Kuja or seifer/edna. Those games were better IMO than games with Seymour and kings who bear a strong resemblance to him if you know what i'm talking about:D. I dissagree that FF should just go hardcore dark because another thing that makes certain games in the series amazing are the lovable characters with fun personalities. Having fun instead of getting all deep. If people want to get deep, go play MGS. FF needs to go back to making the characters and environments fun. Most of 12 was pretty serious with little or no comedic relief or mini-games or anything of the sort. The characters also lacked strong personality. If FF keeps going in their current direction, they will lose a large portion of their audience.