Who is resposible for the downward spiral that has be come Final Fantasy?

Yoichi Wada, obviously. And Tetsuya Nomura for trolling a PS3 exclusive for 6 years.

It all started to unravel when Sakaguchi left.

But the games released these days aren't as bad as SW makes them out to be. Except for XIV.

Who the **** is responsible for all these Final Fantasy doom threads is a better question.

Damn son. Series is still going strong. Enough with the QQ'ing.

It all started to unravel when Sakaguchi left.

But the games released these days aren't as bad as SW makes them out to be. Except for XIV.

[QUOTE="mmmwksil"]

It all started to unravel when Sakaguchi left.

But the games released these days aren't as bad as SW makes them out to be. Except for XIV.

ceelogic

II is arguably the worst, if we don't count the MMOs XI and XIV.

XIII is one of the better combat systems in the series, if not the best.

Who the **** is responsible for all these Final Fantasy doom threads is a better question.

Damn son. Series is still going strong. Enough with the QQ'ing.

MLBknights58

Hmm? cloud3601 is the one who keeps posting that.

western RPG devs. They raised the bar farther than square enix or any other japanese dev could reach when they moved to consoles.SauceKing

That's not the problem. JRPGs on home consoles this gen just suck compared to the ones released last gen.

Who the **** is responsible for all these Final Fantasy doom threads is a better question.

Damn son. Series is still going strong. Enough with the QQ'ing.

MLBknights58

[QUOTE="MLBknights58"]

Who the **** is responsible for all these Final Fantasy doom threads is a better question.

Damn son. Series is still going strong. Enough with the QQ'ing.

Tikeio

Hmm? cloud3601 is the one who keeps posting that.

It's all one person..?

Good god.

Well I guess to address the OP, I don't think the series is in a downward spiral, it's in a **** up spot for sure though. If Squeenix listened to fans they would be making FF VII- 5 right about now. If they try anything new, they're screwed because it won't be like it used to be. If they go to the old school formula, cries of out of ideas or rehash would surface.

I just think Square needs to go back to a sort of IX era art design. XIII, while being a final fantasy title in name, didn't feel like a real Final Fantasy title to me because of the art style, however beautiful it was. I think if Squeenix can bring in the modern advances they've made in combat and level design, mixed with the familiarity of the old school games art style and character designs, we should be golden.

Why are people so obsessed with bashing Final Fantasy? We get 5 of these STUPID threads every day.

[QUOTE="SauceKing"]western RPG devs. They raised the bar farther than square enix or any other japanese dev could reach when they moved to consoles.Tikeio

That's not the problem. JRPGs on home consoles this gen just suck compared to the ones released last gen.

I totally agree the one that stood out the most was Lost Odyssey but to bad Mystwalker had a falling out with MS.ceelogic

LO's outstanding quality were the Thousand Years of Dreams segments. The actual gameplay and story of the game itself were par or below.

Why are people so obsessed with bashing Final Fantasy? We get 5 of these STUPID threads every day.

crimsonman1245

Wada, Toriyama,Production Team 1 isn't the team they once were, the fact Square has lost a lot of talent within the last decade. Now have the FF titles been as bad as people made them out to be? Sort of FFXIII wasn't that great, FFXIV has it's flaws, but spin offs like 4 Heroes of Light wasn't too bad.

[QUOTE="ceelogic"]I totally agree the one that stood out the most was Lost Odyssey but to bad Mystwalker had a falling out with MS.mmmwksil

LO's outstanding quality were the Thousand Years of Dreams segments. The actual gameplay and story of the game itself were par or below.

^^^ Nailed it.

Still an enjoyable game though.. however I was only driven to keep playingat the excitement of unlocking more Dream sequences.Someone REALLY needs to take a clue from those and expand upon it greatly.. just in a better game.

Why are people so obsessed with bashing Final Fantasy? We get 5 of these STUPID threads every day.

crimsonman1245

As stated earlier, this isn't the same guy who keeps posting those topics.

And there is no bashing of Final Fantasy in the OP. It's just a link to a site that's bashing Final Fantasy. I don't see the problem.

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[QUOTE="ceelogic"]I totally agree the one that stood out the most was Lost Odyssey but to bad Mystwalker had a falling out with MS.mmmwksil

LO's outstanding quality were the Thousand Years of Dreams segments. The actual gameplay and story of the game itself were par or below.

It started going downhill at 7 imo.

Global Warming.

But what else was there of this GEN to compare. Blue dragon and uninfinite discovery were alright but LO was better. ceelogic

FFXIII and Vesperia, for starters. Arguably Graces and maybe even Xillia.

[QUOTE="ceelogic"]But what else was there of this GEN to compare. Blue dragon and uninfinite discovery were alright but LO was better. mmmwksil

FFXIII and Vesperia, for starters. Arguably Graces and maybe even Xillia.

Nier.

FF games blow by today's standards. I bought FF12 after the great review it got here and I'll never buy another JRPG again. Western developers have surpassed their Japanese counterparts in every single way imaginable...

[QUOTE="ceelogic"]But what else was there of this GEN to compare. Blue dragon and uninfinite discovery were alright but LO was better. mmmwksil

FFXIII and Vesperia, for starters. Arguably Graces and maybe even Xillia.

Eternal Sonata was pretty good.

spookykid143

Nier. crimsonman1245

[QUOTE="spookykid143"]

Eternal Sonata was pretty good.

mmmwksil

Nier. crimsonman1245

when Hironobu Sakaguchi left.

The fans. They can't accept change and just want a FFVII remake.foxhound_fox

[QUOTE="mmmwksil"]

[QUOTE="ceelogic"]But what else was there of this GEN to compare. Blue dragon and uninfinite discovery were alright but LO was better. crimsonman1245

FFXIII and Vesperia, for starters. Arguably Graces and maybe even Xillia.

Nier.

Nier is a mediocre piece of s**t game. I'm surprised no one mentioned Xenoblade Chronicles.

I can't speak for everyone, but I rather not have a remake to FFVII, and I'm all down for change as long as it is good change.jasonharris48

The fans. They can't accept change and just want a FFVII remake.foxhound_fox

I'm not a Final Fantasy fan. Maybe that's the reason why I'm one of the few people who didn't hate FFXIII. ;)

Nier is a mediocre piece of s**t game. Tikeio

[QUOTE="crimsonman1245"]

[QUOTE="mmmwksil"]

FFXIII and Vesperia, for starters. Arguably Graces and maybe even Xillia.

Tikeio

Nier.

Nier is a mediocre piece of s**t game. I'm surprised no one mentioned Xenoblade Chronicles.

[QUOTE="Tikeio"]Nier is a mediocre piece of s**t game. foxhound_fox

NO U.

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]The fans. They can't accept change and just want a FFVII remake.Tikeio

I'm not a Final Fantasy fan. Maybe that's the reason why I'm one of the few people who didn't hate FFXIII. ;)

True fans of the series can see XIII for the flawed gem that it is. Fake fans ****-ride VII to high heaven.

[QUOTE="Tikeio"]

[QUOTE="crimsonman1245"]

Nier.

spookykid143

Nier is a mediocre piece of s**t game. I'm surprised no one mentioned Xenoblade Chronicles.

[QUOTE="Tikeio"]

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]The fans. They can't accept change and just want a FFVII remake.mmmwksil

I'm not a Final Fantasy fan. Maybe that's the reason why I'm one of the few people who didn't hate FFXIII. ;)

True fans of the series can see XIII for the flawed gem that it is. Fake fans ****-ride VII to high heaven.

So what do you call a fan who isn't the biggest FFVII fan, and thought FFXIII wasn't that great?

jasonharris48

Depends on your opinion about which game was the greatest in the series.

[QUOTE="spookykid143"]

[QUOTE="Tikeio"]

Nier is a mediocre piece of s**t game. I'm surprised no one mentioned Xenoblade Chronicles.

jasonharris48

[QUOTE="jasonharris48"]

[QUOTE="spookykid143"]Most people on here probably haven't played it yet.

spookykid143

[QUOTE="jasonharris48"]

So what do you call a fan who isn't the biggest FFVII fan, and thought FFXIII wasn't that great?

mmmwksil

Depends on your opinion about which game was the greatest in the series.

Greatest :? I guess the franchise really has gone down the drain. To be honest I wouldn't even put FFXIII in the top five

jasonharris48

Poor choice of words. What is your favorite game in the series. That determines the answer to the earlier question.

Fans

Because they want Final Fantasy to cater to them

[QUOTE="jasonharris48"]

Greatest :? I guess the franchise really has gone down the drain. To be honest I wouldn't even put FFXIII in the top five

mmmwksil

Poor choice of words. What is your favorite game in the series. That determines the answer to the earlier question.