Who is tired of the word "Hardcore" around here?

I'm seriously ashamed of how this damn word is so overused when it doesnt even apply most of the time. And its also annoying how suddenly the term "hardcore games" are mentioned as if its the cream of the crop of gaming, and people are actually proud of calling themselves "hardcore gamers" >____>

Games like Ikaruga are hardcore, people who live to game, are extremely obsessed on highscores or making flawless speedruns are hardcore, and its not something to be all that proud of.

I like amazing indepth games, I'm a hardcore gamer.

I don't care about quality in games, just give me something to play, I'm a casual gamer.

I like dumbed down easy to play shallow games, I'm a non gamer casual.

That pretty sums it up. It's not about bragging rights or skill. It's simply used as a term to show what type of games people are into. So again, why shouldn't I be proud of being a hardcore gamer. I'm the one with better taste after all.

I like amazing indepth games, I'm a hardcore gamer.

I don't care about quality in games, just give me something to play, I'm a casual gamer.

I like dumbed down easy to play shallow games, I'm a non gamer casual.

Dahaka-UK

Sorry but i dont agree at all with this childish view of the gaming community

Doesn't bother me. Seems like the only people who have a problem with the term "hardcore" are sheep...

That sounds about right..

Doesn't bother me. Seems like the only people who have a problem with the term "hardcore" are sheep...

That sounds about right..

V_Isle

lol Way to turn this around to your favourite hobby, dissing nintendo fans. Someone should give you a medal for your hard work.

HC and casual don't mean **** to me. Though if you looked at my gaming history, you would side me with the casuals most likely, seeing how i almost exclusivly play rock band. On the other hand, i have enough knowledge to understand abd really enjoy HC games. So IMO the terms Hardcore and Casual are meaningless to me.

If it's a game i enjoy, i could care less if it's considered "hardcore" or "casual"

I like amazing indepth games, I'm a hardcore gamer.

I don't care about quality in games, just give me something to play, I'm a casual gamer.

I like dumbed down easy to play shallow games, I'm a non gamer casual.

That pretty sums it up. It's not about bragging rights or skill. It's simply used as a term to show what type of games people are into. So again, why shouldn't I be proud of being a hardcore gamer. I'm the one with better taste after all.

Dahaka-UK

HC and casual don't mean **** to me. Though if you looked at my gaming history, you would side me with the casuals most likely, seeing how i almost exclusivly play rock band. On the other hand, i have enough knowledge to understand abd really enjoy HC games. So IMO the terms Hardcore and Casual are meaningless to me.

If it's a game i enjoy, i could care less if it's considered "hardcore" or "casual"

Utensilman

Truth ^^^. If you are on this forum, you are a hardcore gamer considering you care enough about games to come and discuss them.II-FBIsniper-II

but I don't really care about quality in games. I prefer 007 Nightfire to CSS and HL2. what does that make me?

[QUOTE="II-FBIsniper-II"]Truth ^^^. If you are on this forum, you are a hardcore gamer considering you care enough about games to come and discuss them.Hewkii

but I don't really care about quality in games. I prefer 007 Nightfire to CSS and HL2. what does that make me?

wrong?

wrong?

Utensilman

but not a casual. interesting.

I have seen this thread subject pop about about 10 times or so, it probably has been more, but I missed some. Everytime I"ve seen the thread, it's Usually Wii Generation Sheep complaining.

It's just an observation. I never saw GC Generation complaining about Hardcore Terminology. I think Nintendo's New Direction is a hard pill to swallow, and it's presenting an Identity Crisis for some of the loyal oldschoolers. Just a theory.

Have a Great One!

I'm a casual gamer :)

I play Css, sonic, mario, GTA, Timesplitters, RE, Warioware, 007 games, Burnout, ETC... (Basically all i do is play any game that looks good)

Besides, to me a Hardcore gamer is somebody who does nothing but game!

Doesn't post on gamespot/Plays any game 24/7, spends all money on gaming, will do anything but game, will prefer games over all else (family/friends)

[QUOTE="Hewkii"]

[QUOTE="II-FBIsniper-II"]Truth ^^^. If you are on this forum, you are a hardcore gamer considering you care enough about games to come and discuss them.Utensilman

but I don't really care about quality in games. I prefer 007 Nightfire to CSS and HL2. what does that make me?

wrong?

His opinion can be wrong? :o :o :o

I am. Definitely overused. I use it sometimes, as it's a very conveniant way of applying a term to, say, the niche gamer or the 5 year old market, but what's worst is how everyone on these forums calls themselves "hardcore" and yet, don't even come close to the description you wrote.

I'm a casual gamer :)

I play Css, sonic, mario, GTA, Timesplitters, RE, Warioware, 007 games, Burnout, ETC... (Basically all i do is play any game that looks good)

Besides, to me a Hardcore gamer is somebody who does nothing but game!

Doesn't post on gamespot/Plays any game 24/7, spends all money on gaming, will do anything but game, will prefer games over all else (family/friends)

gameofthering

you're confusing casual with recreational

[QUOTE="gameofthering"]

I'm a casual gamer :)

I play Css, sonic, mario, GTA, Timesplitters, RE, Warioware, 007 games, Burnout, ETC... (Basically all i do is play any game that looks good)

Besides, to me a Hardcore gamer is somebody who does nothing but game!

Doesn't post on gamespot/Plays any game 24/7, spends all money on gaming, will do anything but game, will prefer games over all else (family/friends)

Utensilman

you're confusing casual with recreational

I have seen this thread subject pop about about 10 times or so, it probably has been more, but I missed some. Everytime I"ve seen the thread, it's Usually Wii Generation Sheep complaining.SolidTy

Wii Generation Sheep?

It's just an observation. I never saw GC Generation complaining about Hardcore Terminology. I think Nintendo's New Direction is a hard pill to swallow, and it's presenting an Identity Crisis for some of the loyal oldschoolers. Just a theory. SolidTy

The word hardcore wasnt being tossed around every minute back then

Funny how at that time hardcore was applied to games like Contraand not GTA, MGS or Zelda

I don't know the definition to hardcore gamer anymore. 1st it meant to be a video game addict 2nd it meant to play the games on the hardest mode and complete it swiftly like a pro. Now it means playing a game with blood and violence. I'm so confusedStingerVXIII

Exactly, thats why i think the term is being overused and badly applied.

the only "hardcore" game i've ever played has to be FFXI cause you gotta be "hardcore" to put up with it.

the only "hardcore" game i've ever played has to be FFXI cause you gotta be "hardcore" to put up with it.

Utensilman

The last hardcore game i played was super Ghouls & Ghosts.

DAMN what a hard game, 2 hits and your dead x_x

There's more than one type of casual gamer.

The current crop of casuals first showed up around 2005/2006 when DS started getting games such as Brain Training and Nintendogs and Cooking Mama. The same type of people are the ones snatching up the Wii right now. The biggest casual group ever. It spans everything from young girl gamers who love their DS, to 60-year olds who can't get enough Wii Sports.

A similar group is the "party" casual. Sometimes they're same as the Wii/DS casual. A lot of them probably don't even have their own consoles and play at parties/friends' houses. Favorite games: DDR, Guitar Hero, Rock Band, SingStar, Karaoke Revolution, Scene It!, etc.

The "mobile" casual group can't be forgotten either. People who play crappy 2D cell phone games, people who bought n-Gage's, people who play iPhone games.

Then there's the smaller groups, "Movie" casuals, and "anime" casuals. Movie casuals buy crappy licensed games based on their favorite movies and play nothing else. Anime casuals do the same thing except with, obviously, games based on their favorite anime shows.

Last-gen it was the sports casual. The person who bought a PS2 just so they could play the new Madden every year. These people are on 360 and PS3 now, and probably still play almost exclusively sports games.

PS1 is probably the only console that successfully converted casuals to hardcore. The PS1 attracted the young maile demographic of casuals(15-30). The group of people who didn't game, that didn't take games like Mario and Sonic seriously because they looked too "kiddy". Sony attracted these people with more mature, edgy games like Resident Evil and Twisted Metal.

Then in the 80's, it was the "Mario" casuals - the ones who bought an NES just for the Mario games. Most stopped playing after the SNES, when things got too "complex" for them with 3D graphics. They make up part of the annoying "retro" fanboy group, the people who are constantly nagging about how "everything was better in the 80's - including games". Some of these people have returned "thanks" to the Wii. Their motto: "the simpler, the better!". :roll:

I'm seriously ashamed of how this damn word is so overused when it doesnt even apply most of the time. And its also annoying how suddenly the term "hardcore games" are mentioned as if its the cream of the crop of gaming, and people are actually proud of calling themselves "hardcore gamers" >____>

Games like Ikaruga are hardcore, people who live to game, are extremely obsessed on highscores or making flawless speedruns are hardcore, and its not something to be all that proud of.

Fawlcon_Pawnch

[QUOTE="StingerVXIII"]I don't know the definition to hardcore gamer anymore. 1st it meant to be a video game addict 2nd it meant to play the games on the hardest mode and complete it swiftly like a pro. Now it means playing a game with blood and violence. I'm so confusedFawlcon_Pawnch

Exactly, thats why i think the term is being overused and badly applied.

Why do you say that every player should play whatever game they want to play yet you say that Ikaruga players should feel ashamed of playing that game?


Didn't you just say something just as awful as you accuse the hardcore gamers of saying?JLF1

lol did i say that anyone should be ashamed of playing Ikaruga? Its an awesome hard to master game.

What i said is that people who are very obsessive about games (what i consider a hardcore), shouldnt be compared to people who just like well made games and play them as a hobby (i consider myself in this last group)

No it's not, when are SHEEP going to learn that there is a HUGE difference between Zack and Wiki and Cocking Mama?

It's the SHEEP that has this wrong view that gamers only think blood and violence is hardcore, probably for the reason the Wii is lacking those games. JLF1

And here comes the sheep/cow/lemming bashing BS.

Please, stop using every post as an excuse to diss the console/fans you love to deslike. Its very childish.

Hardcore is a term atribued to something that is extreme, normaly enjoyed by a niche group. And because of that, i think people use this on the wrong games. Almost ALL THE TIME they call a game hardcore when its actually is a streamlined game made to have mainstream appeal or atleast please a very large group of gamers.

Hardcore gamers actually talk facts and they don't hate a game just because they don't own the system. Hardcore gamers around here actually prefere to own every system instead of just one to play most games. They also play games, and love it.

Casual gamers talk like they own the place and brag, "YOU CONSOLE IS *** BECAUSE I SAY SO!!!". They attack consoles/games without doing any research behind what their saying, making false arguments and being laughed at by Hardcore gamers. They usually play and pay for a very small ammount of games over a year.

Non gamers...I don't see them around here.

Most self-proclaimed "hardcore" gamers are just high school kids who feel like because they owned a PS2, they are the upper echelon of the gaming community.Senor_Kami

lol, Yeah, thats pretty much what i think

sheep are lame >_>Ace132

Great post, very relevant to the thread too.

You should write books

You're sick of the word "hardcore", I'm sick of the word "innovation". It's not like sheep don't have a bunch of tired buzzwords either.V_Isle

What the hell does this have to do with sheep? I see Sheep say "hardcore" all the time too.

Why is this suddenly seen as an attack to cows and lemmings?

The term hardcore gamer has been broadened because of the Wii success. People can't explain how a console with the worst line up and some of the worst games selling in high volume is on top of hardware sales. This is new since the PS2 had the best software and Hardware numbers/ratings.

Basically hardcore gamer has been dumbed down. Just like the word extreme got dumbed down when college hippies invented EXTREME FRISBY.

The truth is all of these labels are wrong because the world is not black or white but grey. You can't lump a huge variety of gamers into TWO groups, casual and hardcore. But of course its human nature to label and categorize so just try not to be surprised when you find many exceptions to the rule.

Here is how I picture hardcore vs casual.

Hardcore - you have a really good knowledge of games, follow the game news a lot, and are able to grasp most gameplay aspects(whether it be play guitar hero, shooting guys in Halo, or enjoying a nice RPG)

Casual gamer - doesn't really keep up with the news, their gaming knowledge is limited to knowing what they see on TV or here a friend talking about, they can't play a varity of genres because they simply can't gasp how to play it.

It isn't the games that determine wether you or hardcore or not, but your understanding of them.

"Hardcore" is a dumb word anyway. So is "gamer", really.

They're both way overused on this board.

I don't even know what the terms hardcore and casual even are. From all the games I've seen do well lately like GTA, Halo, Gears, Madden and things like that they all seem pretty casual to me. Plus if they were not casual they would not be top sellers.

I believe both terms are meaningless.