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#1 The_Capitalist
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Throughout the Internet, gamers bash Activision for no good reason, doing it only because it's "cool" to express an intense dislike for Activision and everything Call of Duty. While there have been many occassions where criticism of Activision is warranted (like back when it was announced that the PC version of MW2 won't be getting dedicated servers), much of it is generally unwarrated, even unnecessary, driven only by herd behavior and an intense desire to see Activision fail.

In order to justify why they hate Activision, gamers often mention the number of franchises Activision has milked and how studios are shut down for subpar performance after their key franchises have been milked to the limit. Ironically, many other publishers (EA, cough, cough) are guilty of such practices too. So why did everyone repimand Activision when it shut down Bizarre after Blur's failure last year? Two years ago, EA shut down Pandemic after The Saboteur flopped.

It's just the cycle of the business. Why should Activision continue to pay the salaries of programmers, artists, and HR personal when some of these people were partially responsible for a commercial failure? Video game development thrives on research and development, and if there aren't enough viable projects to keep them occupied, why not lay them off? Yes, layoffs are very sad, but so is life.

Additionally, people accuse Activision of milking Call of Duty dry, offering no new gameplay mechanics or innovations for the past three four titles while charging $15 for map packs. Gamers have demonstrated that they are willing and able to pay for the same game each year, so why not milk them? If I were in such a position, I would do the very same thing. It makes the gamers happy, it makes the shareholders happy, and the developers get to keep their jobs.

As a university student enrolled in a business school, I applaud Activision for finding a product where they can derive more cyclical revenue from. In the entertainment industry, a product that can deliver steady and even returns every year is usually envied. In short, Activision has created a product that sells like toothpaste.

The hate against Activision is driven by the collective disappointment of some gamers who dislike how commercialism of the gaming industry has brought down great studios, dumbed down games, and encouraged other such unscrupulous practices. But, if some of you feel so strongly about Activision as you claim, then maybe you should stop buying Call of Duty and encourage your friends to do the same.

I probably won't be buying MW3 when it comes out, but the general disdain for Activision is shocking. They're just another business with the aim of making money. After all, most development houses, aspiring modders, etc. are all in it for the money, too. And Activision has been successful so far. What's wrong with that?

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Throughout the Internet, gamers bash Activision for no good reason, doing it only because it's "cool" to express an intense dislike for Activision and everything Call of Duty. While there have been many occassions where criticism of Activision is warranted (like back when it was announced that the PC version of MW2 won't be getting dedicated servers), much of it is generally unwarrated, even unnecessary, and driven only by herd behavior and an intense desire to see Activision fail.

In order to justify why they hate Activision, gamers often mention the number of franchises Activision has milked and how studios are shut down for subpar performance after their key franchises have been milked to the limit. Ironically, many other publishers (EA, cough, cough) are guilty of such practices too. So why did everyone repimand Activision when it shut down Bizarre after Blur's failure last year? Two years ago, EA shut down Pandemic after The Saboteur flopped.

It's just the cycle of the business. Why should Activision continue to pay the salaries of programmers, artists, and HR personal when some of these people were partially responsible for a commercial failure? Video game development thrives on research and development, and if there aren't enough viable projects to keep occupied, why not lay them off? Yes, layoffs are very sad, but so is life.

Additionally, people accuse Activision of milking Call of Duty dry, offering no new gameplay mechanics or innovations for the past three four titles while charging $15 for map packs. Gamers have demonstrated that they are willing and able to pay for the same game each year, so why not milk them? If I were in such a position, I would do the very same thing. It makes the gamers happy, it makes the shareholders happy, and the developers get to keep their jobs.

As a university student enrolled in a business school, I applaud Activision for finding a product where they can derive more cyclical revenue from. In the entertainment industry, a product that can deliver steady and even returns every year is usually envied. In short, Activision has created a product that sells like toothpaste.

The hate against Activision is driven by the collective disappointment of some gamers who dislike how commercialism of the gaming industry has brought down great studios, dumbed down games, and encouraged other such unscrupulous practices. But, if some of you feel so strongly about Activision as you claim, then maybe you should stop buying Call of Duty and encourage your friends to do the same.

I probably won't be buying MW3 when it comes out, but the general disdain for Activision is shocking. They're just another business with the aim of making money. After all, most development houses, aspiring modders, etc. are all in it for the money, too. And Activision has been successful so far. What's wrong with that?

The_Capitalist

Yopur arguement was destroyed the instinct you mentioned the word cool. Their are multiple reasons to why people hate Activsion and I want you to find out the true reason to why people hate Activsion and one of the reasons doesn't involve the word cool.

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#3 Tetrarch9
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I find Irony in your username. Its not like they continue to milk great franchise into the ground or anything.
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#4 The_Capitalist
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But it's all driven by herd behavior. Oftentimes, it's unjustified.

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#5 The_Capitalist
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I find Irony in your username. Its not like they continue to milk great franchise into the ground or anything.Tetrarch9

Hence, why I applaud Activision (from the perspective of financial performance), of course. Why shouldn't they milk it? It sells like bread and peanut butter.

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#6 argetlam00
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Because they are a garbage souless company that exists only to drive creativity into the ground and promote rehashes over and over again while at the same time bribing critics to give their games good scores.

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#7 Nike_Air
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Did you mention Brutal Legend , Infinity Ward , or a lot of dumb comments from their head honcho? Was driving a solid franchise like Guitar Hero into the ground good business ? Activision is a lot more than Call of Doody and how bad it has become.

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#8 ActicEdge
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People hate successful things they themselves have trouble enjoying.

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There are reasons. While the news that the PC version of MW2 was not getting dedicated servers was a legitimate complaint in your eyes, I see the lack of dedicated servers on any console CoD to be a snapshot of how Activision operates. Marketing first, quality never.

It's why they use ancient game engines, so they don't have to pay licensing fees for their use.

CoD is their best franchise, and CoD is crap.

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#10 tomarlyn
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I understand some of the hate but EA is much worse.
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#11 DJ_Lae
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Other publishers do it too, but Kotick is disturbingly up-front about it and extremely dismissive of the people who buy games they publish. He destroyed the Guitar Hero franchise, acted like a spoiled child who had his lollipop taken with the Brutal Legend publisher switch, collapsed Infinity Ward and has essentially ruined the entire FPS genre with yearly rehashes and insanely overpriced map packs. He treats gamers like **bleep**. Behind closed doors I know that the executives of every other company have the same view, which is fine - you just don't make that your public face. And I do back up my opinion of Activision - I haven't purchased a single game from them in years. I didn't even buy Starcraft 2, which a lot of people caved on. I'm very much looking forward to when the Call of Duty bubble bursts just like Guitar Hero.
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Not a single new IP this entire generation. Just relying on established rehashes.
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#13 psn8214
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People hate successful things they themselves have trouble enjoying.

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This + herd mentality. I don't think I've ever actually *hated* a game, game studio, or publisher in my life.

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Not a single new IP this entire generation. Just relying on established rehashes.Sp4rtan_3

That's not true at all.

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Because they are a garbage souless company that exists only to drive creativity into the ground and promote rehashes over and over again while at the same time bribing critics to give their games good scores.

argetlam00

What ever makes you sleep better at night I guess.

Not a single new IP this entire generation.

Just relying on established rehashes.Sp4rtan_3

Yup. Blur and Singularity were actually part of the James Bond and Call of Duty IPs respectively. Lets not forget Prototype which was actually just a Grand Theft Auto spin off that Activision got approval for from Take 2 and Rockstar.

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#16 DJ_Lae
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[QUOTE="Sp4rtan_3"]Not a single new IP this entire generation. Just relying on established rehashes.Pug-Nasty

That's not true at all.

Well, there was Prototype, but that was kind of garbage. And Blur, which Activision basically sent out to die. And Singularity, which was interesting but little more than that. And Blood Drive, which is just an embarassing heap of trash. The rest of their lineup this gen consisted of Guitar Heroes, Tony Hawks, Call of Duties, Deer Hunters, Bond games, and a **bleep**-ton of movie tie-ins from Transformers to Spiderman.
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[QUOTE="argetlam00"]

Because they are a garbage souless company that exists only to drive creativity into the ground and promote rehashes over and over again while at the same time bribing critics to give their games good scores.

gamer620

What ever makes you sleep better at night I guess.

Its no secret that Activision bribes reviewers in Call of Duty reviews by sending them to extravagent vacations and ****. Dunno what world you live in but it not the real one.

http://www.gameplanet.co.nz/xbox/games/162452/news/136024.20101102.Activision-hosts-invitational-Black-Ops-review-event/

Here ya go. I wanna go on vacation too!

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#18 tomarlyn
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[QUOTE="Pug-Nasty"]

[QUOTE="Sp4rtan_3"]Not a single new IP this entire generation. Just relying on established rehashes.DJ_Lae

That's not true at all.

Well, there was Prototype, but that was kind of garbage. And Blur, which Activision basically sent out to die. And Singularity, which was interesting but little more than that. And Blood Drive, which is just an embarassing heap of trash. The rest of their lineup this gen consisted of Guitar Heroes, Tony Hawks, Call of Duties, Deer Hunters, Bond games, and a **bleep**-ton of movie tie-ins from Transformers to Spiderman.

How dare you forget the awesomeness that is Apache Air Assault :evil:

The last couple of levels are nearly impossible though :P

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#19 bleehum
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I hate the "people only hate something because it's cool to hate something popular" sentiment.
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#20 Cali3350
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You can always tell when people are in school. They write stuff like this. Ugh. (I did it too i suppose, UGH).

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#21 ampiva
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You sure enjoy the attention.
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[QUOTE="Tetrarch9"]I find Irony in your username. Its not like they continue to milk great franchise into the ground or anything.The_Capitalist

Hence, why I applaud Activision (from the perspective of financial performance), of course. Why shouldn't they milk it? It sells like bread and peanut butter.

Spyro doesn't sale and right now they are making a game that will either A) Save the franchise (barely) B) Destroy the franchise forever. Oh and Crash is still missing.
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I don't hate them, but their over saturation of the Guitar Hero franchise and intentionally mismarketting Brutal Legends may have something to do with it.

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#24 lawlessx
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I don't hate them, but their over saturation of the Guitar Hero franchise and intentionally mismarketting Brutal Legends may have something to do with it.

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mismarketing brutal legends? how?
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They have caused a ripple effect in the gaming world, where there are zero creative fibers being aimed towards originality and innovation. By "milking" and saturating the market with these COD games and promoting them so heavily other developers are less willing to take chances because they are worried that games wont sell as well because it doesn't look like COD or because its being released too closely to COD.
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They have caused a ripple effect in the gaming world, where there are zero creative fibers being aimed towards originality and innovation. By "milking" and saturating the market with these COD games and promoting them so heavily other developers are less willing to take chances because they are worried that games wont sell as well because it doesn't look like COD or because its being released too closely to COD. biggest_loser
I was going to post this, but you beat me to it. It really is sad because games that try new ideas do not do the greatest, and get overlooked by CoD. As well as seeing other games taking the same mindset behind CoD games and implementing them into their games.
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#27 deactivated-6127ced9bcba0
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I don't hate the company, I hate the games they produce.

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#28 _Cadbury_
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Clearly, you just think its cool to be the lone warrior defending Activision when everyone else hates them.
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Throughout the Internet, gamers bash Activision for no good reason, doing it only because it's "cool" to express an intense dislike for Activision and everything Call of Duty.The_Capitalist
I don't care what they do with Call of Duty. If anything, Call of Duty started like what it is now today anyway, and I don't mind it because it was always like that. Why Activision really pisses me off is because they killed Tony Hawk. To see a game that dominated early 2000s in every teenager's house as the go-to casual sport game with extremely high critical praises (one of the few games in GS to receive 10/10, and it even has 9.9/10) turn into the synonym for a milked franchise with mediocre gameplay and cheap cash-in with bad-and-overpriced peripherals that reached the sale of just 4,200 copies with the last iteration. What a crime. I nearly failed a grade because of this game.
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The main reason is because they are the biggest game publisher right now, so that naturally garners some hatred, as well as the release of games that many think are "overhyped". I think the only good reason to hate them would be because of their occasional missteps in dumb things like dealing with Brutal Legen and Kotick's various anti gaming comments along with the IW debacle. Personally I'd say the company doesn't deserve the hate, they've done terrible things and have released some terrible games (even worse because the Tony Hawk and GH franchises were actually amazing at one point), but unlike EA when they were top dogs, Activision still makes good games with high budgets and quality developers. Singularity, DJ Hero and the CoD franchise come to mind for me.
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#31 theuncharted34
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why act like you don't know why?

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#32 wis3boi
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they buy up smaller dev teams, then chew them up and spit them out. The way they treat their employees, their products, and customers, is awful.

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#33 campzor
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they over milk their franchises and then kill them. Also many many studio closures.
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In order to justify why they hate Activision, gamers often mention the number of franchises Activision has milked and how studios are shut down for subpar performance after their key franchises have been milked to the limit. Ironically, many other publishers (EA, cough, cough) are guilty of such practices too. So why did everyone repimand Activision when it shut down Bizarre after Blur's failure last year? Two years ago, EA shut down Pandemic after The Saboteur flopped.

I guess you weren't hanging out on gaming forums 3 or 4 years ago? Back then EA got at least as much flack for churning out Madden sequels, buying up studios like Criterion, and for seeming not to care about any of it. Then they dropped out of 1st place, made a few new IP's, and the world moved on.

As a university student enrolled in a business school, I applaud Activision for finding a product where they can derive more cyclical revenue from. In the entertainment industry, a product that can deliver steady and even returns every year is usually envied. In short, Activision has created a product that sells like toothpaste.

You just described their games as "a product" and compared it to toothpaste, and you wonder why people don't like them? A lot of people here want to play games that are the product of inspiration and a dedication to making a quality gaming/artistic experience, not something that was churned out of an assembly line. In the real world there are obviously many millions who don't care and will buy it anywhere, but here you're dealing with the minority of people who DO care.

The hate against Activision is driven by the collective disappointment of some gamers who dislike how commercialism of the gaming industry has brought down great studios, dumbed down games, and encouraged other such unscrupulous practices. But, if some of you feel so strongly about Activision as you claim, then maybe you should stop buying Call of Duty and encourage your friends to do the same.

Who says everyone here does buy Call of Duty? This forum is a tiny minority of the video games market...what we buy makes no difference for a mega franchise like Call of Duty.

I probably won't be buying MW3 when it comes out, but the general disdain for Activision is shocking. They're just another business with the aim of making money. After all, most development houses, aspiring modders, etc. are all in it for the money, too. And Activision has been successful so far. What's wrong with that?

Pretty much anybody who's in actual video game development (not publishing) could make a hell of a lot more money working in another industry. Most of them do it because they like making games. Publishers are the ones looking to make the big bucks, and Activision is actively trying to bring that mentality to their development studios.

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#35 LegatoSkyheart
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people Hate EA Too.

Though I don't see EA publishing something like....like...

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#36 aroxx_ab
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Why do we want a new Guitar hero game every month?

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#37 KungfuKitten
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So you just support activision because it's cool to like what sells best.

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#38 KungfuKitten
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A company that strives to make as much money as possible is striving to be the worst company possible. That is where capitalism fails. You get the worst kind of products and service, with the most complicated rulesets (ULA) for the highest possible prices with the most hideous methods of hiding your extra costs.
A company like CDProject that releases a DRM free game, with free DLC and no store specific bonusses is alltogether a more succesful company than Activision will ever be.
The ethics of selling a bad value to many people because they are stupid enough to buy it, are as rotten as selling fake medicine to patients in a third world country because they never heard that it won't work.

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#39 Valiant_Rebel
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Hate is too strong a word. I understand most people do not understand how strong it is, but it is still too extreme a word to use for this example. Dislike is the proper term to use.

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Your argument about people not liking Activision because it's "the cool thing to do" is false. The vast majority of people that do not like Activision are not complete tools to not form their own opinions. It doesn't matter how popular or unpopular a game becomes. It is always going to be liked and disliked by someone, no matter what it does.

I can't speak for everyone, but I believe some of the dislike to CoD or Activision comes from their business practices, mainly with their DLC. Everyone knows about the 3 maps for $15 practice. Some people do not care that they make maps to sell for $15, but they do not like how what is considered the "industry leader" to use this practice. This would most likely encourage other developers to chop content away from their games and sell it at a high price. The issue for those people comes from worrying about other developers following suit to charge highly for possibly inadequate DLC. Yes, it is a business decision and it is how life goes, but people still yearn for moral decisions (I.E. The Witcher 2 DLC being free, Portal 2 DLC being free, etc.).

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I don't have more to say, but one thing that bothers me about these arguments as a whole is because they usually involve "popularity." Tons of people either like something or tons of people dislike something because it's popular. I do not dislike CoD. I play CoD 4 on and off at times and I haven't purchased any games after 4, but that doesn't mean I "hate" CoD. How many examples have there been where someone says they don't like a mainstream game because it's too popular for them? Even if it isn't a game, how many times do you hear someone say that they did not like Avatar or read Harry Potter because it was too popular for them? Like I said earlier, people are able to form their own opinions without being a tool. It's just that for certain situations (like the CoD franchise), one side of opinions greatly outweighs the other.

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#40 Daytona_178
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Because they buy a brilliant franchise, then bleed it dry by making yearly sequely that barely improve on the previous one. Doing this for numerous years destroys the franchise.

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#41 peterw007
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The difference between Activision and toothpaste, OP, is that Activision makes ungodly profit margins from every CoD they sell.

How much (collectively) do they pay for the studio to develop the game? Probably the same as every other game developer.

And yet they rake in billions upon billions of dollars that all line the executives' and shareholders' pockets.

I've always hated the corporate structure...where all the billions made never even reach the people who made the darn thing.

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#42 menes777
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Throughout the Internet, gamers bash Activision for no good reason, doing it only because it's "cool" to express an intense dislike for Activision and everything Call of Duty. While there have been many occassions where criticism of Activision is warranted (like back when it was announced that the PC version of MW2 won't be getting dedicated servers), much of it is generally unwarrated, even unnecessary, driven only by herd behavior and an intense desire to see Activision fail.

In order to justify why they hate Activision, gamers often mention the number of franchises Activision has milked and how studios are shut down for subpar performance after their key franchises have been milked to the limit. Ironically, many other publishers (EA, cough, cough) are guilty of such practices too. So why did everyone repimand Activision when it shut down Bizarre after Blur's failure last year? Two years ago, EA shut down Pandemic after The Saboteur flopped.

It's just the cycle of the business. Why should Activision continue to pay the salaries of programmers, artists, and HR personal when some of these people were partially responsible for a commercial failure? Video game development thrives on research and development, and if there aren't enough viable projects to keep them occupied, why not lay them off? Yes, layoffs are very sad, but so is life.

Additionally, people accuse Activision of milking Call of Duty dry, offering no new gameplay mechanics or innovations for the past three four titles while charging $15 for map packs. Gamers have demonstrated that they are willing and able to pay for the same game each year, so why not milk them? If I were in such a position, I would do the very same thing. It makes the gamers happy, it makes the shareholders happy, and the developers get to keep their jobs.

As a university student enrolled in a business school, I applaud Activision for finding a product where they can derive more cyclical revenue from. In the entertainment industry, a product that can deliver steady and even returns every year is usually envied. In short, Activision has created a product that sells like toothpaste.

The hate against Activision is driven by the collective disappointment of some gamers who dislike how commercialism of the gaming industry has brought down great studios, dumbed down games, and encouraged other such unscrupulous practices. But, if some of you feel so strongly about Activision as you claim, then maybe you should stop buying Call of Duty and encourage your friends to do the same.

I probably won't be buying MW3 when it comes out, but the general disdain for Activision is shocking. They're just another business with the aim of making money. After all, most development houses, aspiring modders, etc. are all in it for the money, too. And Activision has been successful so far. What's wrong with that?

The_Capitalist

You must be new to gaming if you haven't seen all the hate EA, Sony, MS, Atari... has gotten. Activision is just the latest target.

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#43 Lionheart08
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I don't hate them, but their over saturation of the Guitar Hero franchise and intentionally mismarketting Brutal Legends may have something to do with it.

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mismarketing brutal legends? how?

The Previews, and the Demo for that matter, made it out to be an Action game similar to God of War. I honestly feel that killed any shot of having decent sells because Brutal Legends suffered from bad word of mouth because of that. :P

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#44 R4gn4r0k
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It goes beyond milking series...

-Having three different developers develop one series instead of something new and fresh

-Having a great developer spend their time on mappacks instead of games (Raven)

-Charging 15 dollars for mappacks.

I don't hate them. I don't hate them capitalizing on something that sells but at least have some respect for the industry you are in.

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#45 DraugenCP
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Throughout the Internet, gamers bash Activision for no good reason, doing it only because it's "cool" to express an intense dislike for Activision and everything Call of Duty. While there have been many occassions where criticism of Activision is warranted (like back when it was announced that the PC version of MW2 won't be getting dedicated servers), much of it is generally unwarrated, even unnecessary, driven only by herd behavior and an intense desire to see Activision fail.

In order to justify why they hate Activision, gamers often mention the number of franchises Activision has milked and how studios are shut down for subpar performance after their key franchises have been milked to the limit. Ironically, many other publishers (EA, cough, cough) are guilty of such practices too. So why did everyone repimand Activision when it shut down Bizarre after Blur's failure last year? Two years ago, EA shut down Pandemic after The Saboteur flopped.

It's just the cycle of the business. Why should Activision continue to pay the salaries of programmers, artists, and HR personal when some of these people were partially responsible for a commercial failure? Video game development thrives on research and development, and if there aren't enough viable projects to keep them occupied, why not lay them off? Yes, layoffs are very sad, but so is life.

Additionally, people accuse Activision of milking Call of Duty dry, offering no new gameplay mechanics or innovations for the past three four titles while charging $15 for map packs. Gamers have demonstrated that they are willing and able to pay for the same game each year, so why not milk them? If I were in such a position, I would do the very same thing. It makes the gamers happy, it makes the shareholders happy, and the developers get to keep their jobs.

As a university student enrolled in a business school, I applaud Activision for finding a product where they can derive more cyclical revenue from. In the entertainment industry, a product that can deliver steady and even returns every year is usually envied. In short, Activision has created a product that sells like toothpaste.

The hate against Activision is driven by the collective disappointment of some gamers who dislike how commercialism of the gaming industry has brought down great studios, dumbed down games, and encouraged other such unscrupulous practices. But, if some of you feel so strongly about Activision as you claim, then maybe you should stop buying Call of Duty and encourage your friends to do the same.

I probably won't be buying MW3 when it comes out, but the general disdain for Activision is shocking. They're just another business with the aim of making money. After all, most development houses, aspiring modders, etc. are all in it for the money, too. And Activision has been successful so far. What's wrong with that?

The_Capitalist

First of all 'others do it too' is never a good argument to dismiss criticism. Whois to say thatthe critics of Activision do not feel about EA the same way? I know I do. In fact, EA might be worse in this respect.

Secondly, there are two ways of looking at Activision: the first and, within the context of this forum, most important one is looking at it from a gamer's perspective. From this angle, it is undeniable that Activision embodies like few other companies the stagnation of the industry, unwilling to take risks or innovate, and resorting to rather cheap tactics to get more money from their customers.

That doesn't mean that, from a business point of view, Activision is doing a great job. I can fully understand that you, as a business school student, admire how Activision manages to maximise profits within such a rapidly changing industry. You must bear in mind, however, that the majority of us are not businessmen, but simple video game aficionados who just like to see a company make good games and support products without trying to get the last penny out of our pockets. In this sense, we are in our right to criticise Activision from a pure aesthetic point of view: they do not represent the same interests as we do. Again, what they do is logical from a business point of view, but that doesn't mean that we have to like it.

You must also realise that the people that post here are nearly all people who are seriously into video games (or 'hardcore' if you will), and as such we cannot be held accountable for what the general public seemingly wants. Yes, money is a voting ballot and if there are enough people willing to cough up $15 for a few extra maps then it's understandable that Activision makes them. This doesn't mean that it's a good development for the industry, though, nor that we have to be happy that these things are happening more and more. Because as everyone should know, the fact that a lot of people want something doesn't automatically make it good. It's a grave misconception that the majority is always right. Their will will be carried out, but that doesn't necessarily justify it from an aesthetic point of view. Just look at democracy.

Finally, it's so easy dismiss something as just 'a bunch of people trying to be cool'. Sure, there are a lot of people out there who jump the bandwagon without really knowing what's going on, but if there wasn't an actual problem at the core, there would be no bandwagon to begin with.

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[QUOTE="The_Capitalist"]

Throughout the Internet, gamers bash Activision for no good reason, doing it only because it's "cool" to express an intense dislike for Activision and everything Call of Duty. While there have been many occassions where criticism of Activision is warranted (like back when it was announced that the PC version of MW2 won't be getting dedicated servers), much of it is generally unwarrated, even unnecessary, driven only by herd behavior and an intense desire to see Activision fail.

In order to justify why they hate Activision, gamers often mention the number of franchises Activision has milked and how studios are shut down for subpar performance after their key franchises have been milked to the limit. Ironically, many other publishers (EA, cough, cough) are guilty of such practices too. So why did everyone repimand Activision when it shut down Bizarre after Blur's failure last year? Two years ago, EA shut down Pandemic after The Saboteur flopped.

It's just the cycle of the business. Why should Activision continue to pay the salaries of programmers, artists, and HR personal when some of these people were partially responsible for a commercial failure? Video game development thrives on research and development, and if there aren't enough viable projects to keep them occupied, why not lay them off? Yes, layoffs are very sad, but so is life.

Additionally, people accuse Activision of milking Call of Duty dry, offering no new gameplay mechanics or innovations for the past three four titles while charging $15 for map packs. Gamers have demonstrated that they are willing and able to pay for the same game each year, so why not milk them? If I were in such a position, I would do the very same thing. It makes the gamers happy, it makes the shareholders happy, and the developers get to keep their jobs.

As a university student enrolled in a business school, I applaud Activision for finding a product where they can derive more cyclical revenue from. In the entertainment industry, a product that can deliver steady and even returns every year is usually envied. In short, Activision has created a product that sells like toothpaste.

The hate against Activision is driven by the collective disappointment of some gamers who dislike how commercialism of the gaming industry has brought down great studios, dumbed down games, and encouraged other such unscrupulous practices. But, if some of you feel so strongly about Activision as you claim, then maybe you should stop buying Call of Duty and encourage your friends to do the same.

I probably won't be buying MW3 when it comes out, but the general disdain for Activision is shocking. They're just another business with the aim of making money. After all, most development houses, aspiring modders, etc. are all in it for the money, too. And Activision has been successful so far. What's wrong with that?

DraugenCP

First of all 'others do it too' is never a good argument to dismiss criticism. Whois to say thatthe critics of Activision do not feel about EA the same way? I know I do. In fact, EA might be worse in this respect.

Secondly, there are two ways of looking at Activision: the first and, within the context of this forum, most important one is looking at it from a gamer's perspective. From this angle, it is undeniable that Activision embodies like few other companies the stagnation of the industry, unwilling to take risks or innovate, and resorting to rather cheap tactics to get more money from their customers.

That doesn't mean that, from a business point of view, Activision is doing a great job. I can fully understand that you, as a business school student, admire how Activision manages to maximise profits within such a rapidly changing industry. You must bear in mind, however, that the majority of us are not businessmen, but simple video game aficionados who just like to see a company make good games and support products without trying to get the last penny out of our pockets. In this sense, we are in our right to criticise Activision from a pure aesthetic point of view: they do not represent the same interests as we do. Again, what they do is logical from a business point of view, but that doesn't mean that we have to like it.

You must also realise that the people that post here are nearly all people who are seriously into video games (or 'hardcore' if you will), and as such we cannot be held accountable for what the general public seemingly wants. Yes, money is a voting ballot and if there are enough people willing to cough up $15 for a few extra maps then it's understandable that Activision makes them. This doesn't mean that it's a good development for the industry, though, nor that we have to be happy that these things are happening more and more. Because as everyone should know, the fact that a lot of people want something doesn't automatically make it good. It's a grave misconception that the majority is always right. Their will will be carried out, but that doesn't necessarily justify it from an aesthetic point of view. Just look at democracy.

Finally, it's so easy dismiss something as just 'a bunch of people trying to be cool'. Sure, there are a lot of people out there who jump the bandwagon without really knowing what's going on, but if there wasn't an actual problem at the core, there would be no bandwagon to begin with.

I appreciate everyone who is talking from a gamer perspective but you know he is right and I think its just flat out ignorant to pretend anything is done without the intention of making money. IT IS ALL MONEY. No one goes and works a job for the sole reason of liking it and says "no no, don't pay me, I'm here for the love of it". That's not how reality works, you do something because you like it AND because they pay you. Do I like corporate business practice? Not a tiny tiny bit. But that's not relevant to how it has to be so its best to just deal or find ways to not support corporate.

I am also of the opinion that its not up to me to dictate what is healthy for the development of games. Its for the game developers to dictate. Its for the game developers to lead the charge if they have a problem. You are responsible for you, you can't disctate how others operate. If they themselves don't want to work to fix development issues, I don't see how my 2 cents is going to really help, matter or be relevant.

If people want change its in the best interest of everyone to get educated. That said video games is not the area of life most people care to become educated on.

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I find Irony in your username. Its not like they continue to milk great franchise into the ground or anything.Tetrarch9

damn thats a hot sig...it reminds me of the one i had in mind

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#48 Solid_Denton
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If you have a hatred for Activision then it proves that you have no connection to what really goes on in the world. There are companys pretty much slaving and commiting seriously evil crimes. Tell me how is Activision evil ?? Why should I hate Activision ?? They don't do anything truely evil.

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I dislike the company's handling of the CoD franchise. Though they haven't published any other really notable titles in the last few years.
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If you remember the Scratch the DJ dev case, the Double Fine case,the Infinity Ward case,their mismanagement of franchises and utterly lack of quality control in some of their products you will understand why mst people hate activsion. It has nothing to do with opularity at all. The popularity excuse is used by the people that are fanboys for Activsion.