Why all the Natal hate?

I can't understand why there is so much hate on the forums for Microsofts Natal. I am not saying this thing is going to revolutionize the industry or be the next big thing, but it should be a good alternative for those Xbox gamers who want a "different" experience without going out and buying the competitors system. I sold my Wii just so I could get a Natal. The fact that is has no controllers has me sold. The Wii was very gimmicky and it caused too much clutter around my game station with all the Wiimotes, Nunchucks, battery packs, steering wheels and etc. Even Sony has their Move controllers coming out, but honestly that looks like a blatent HD Wii rip off. Yes, I own and love my PS3 but I got to say Microsoft has one upped Sony on this one.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but at least hold it until Natal ships and you have tried some of the software. No one is forcing you to buy this and it will not be a replacement for controller based games. Again, its an alternative platform for unique gaming applications you won't find anywhere else. If Natal can do what its promo videos have shown and do it effectively I think the 360 will have an add on that will eventually become a must own for alot of people.

As far as traditional games are concerned I can see alot of new games using some Natal features but will not require them. For example, I can see people actually simulating free throws in basketball, or shooting a puck in hockey, or maybe you would actually get up and do a curb stomp execution in a game such as Gears of War. These are not huge steps for games but certainly help add to the immersion. I believe once you see Lionhead Studios "Milo" game that many will see a glimpse of the true Natal potential. Alot of developers have jumped on board with the Natal and they seemed very impressed.

The games industry will never move forward if gamers and developers alike are comfortable living in the past. Its kinda like the old days when people rode horses and didn't see a use for gas powered automobiles. Now we just can't imagine our lives without cars!

Lastly, I think for Natal to become successful is the price. Its still a gamble at $150 but I think if Microsoft can sell Natal for $99 or less, this device will be flying off shelves. Maybe they should even make a Natal bundle that is marginally priced above the normal console price. Can't wait for E3 to get more info on this exciting new piece of technology.

Lems and cows before Natal and Move: "motion control is a gimmick, I'll quit gaming if that crap becomes the standard, I only like old fashioned controllers like all real men do."

Lems and cows after Natal and Move: "motion control is teh future! Stop living in the past and move forward."

An eyetoy rip off which will cost over $150 i dont see people hating on it so surprising

I am not saying this thing is going to revolutionize the industry or be the next big thing

tbs76

The games industry will never move forward if gamers and developers alike are comfortable living in the past. Its kinda like the old days when people rode horses and didn't see a use for gas powered automobiles. Now we just can't imagine our lives without cars!

Lastly, I think for Natal to become successful is the price. Its still a gamble at $150 but I think if Microsoft can sell Natal for $99 or less, this device will be flying off shelves. Maybe they should even make a Natal bundle that is marginally priced above the normal console price. Can't wait for E3 to get more info on this exciting new piece of technology.

tbs76

And if it is priced at $150, I'm quite convinced it will fail.

I just don't see how the hardware is applicable to any games, other than games like Wii Tennis. How is it suppose to sense movement? how are you suppose to move in game.

I don't see it doing anything more than on rail shooting, thus an expensive gimic

An eyetoy rip off which will cost over $150 i dont see people hating on it so surprising

finalstar2007

you wouldn't

I bash both of them. Motion controls in general are lame and I have no interest in them as of now. There have just been some ridiculous videos of people using Natal so its been funny to make jokes over them

Free Throws in Basketball?

MS is going to put Chuck E. Cheese's or Dave and Busters out of business:P

I bash both of them. Motion controls in general are lame and I have no interest in them as of now. There have just been some ridiculous videos of people using Natal so its been funny to make jokes over them

BPoole96

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I bash both of them. Motion controls in general are lame and I have no interest in them as of now. There have just been some ridiculous videos of people using Natal so its been funny to make jokes over them

wolverine4262

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I bash both of them. Motion controls in general are lame and I have no interest in them as of now. There have just been some ridiculous videos of people using Natal so its been funny to make jokes over them

wolverine4262

You can't say you've watched thisand didn't laugh.

If people want to use motion contorls, that is fine. I'm not going to use them

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I bash both of them. Motion controls in general are lame and I have no interest in them as of now. There have just been some ridiculous videos of people using Natal so its been funny to make jokes over them

Bigboi500

What I said has nothing to do with me trying to be a "kool kid"

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I bash both of them. Motion controls in general are lame and I have no interest in them as of now. There have just been some ridiculous videos of people using Natal so its been funny to make jokes over them

BPoole96

You can't say you've watched thisand didn't laugh.

If people want to use motion contorls, that is fine. I'm not going to use them

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[QUOTE="wolverine4262"] Who cares what they look like? They are enjoying themselves and thats what its all about.wolverine4262

You can't say you've watched thisand didn't laugh.

If people want to use motion contorls, that is fine. I'm not going to use them

Only if it appeals to the person playing, which in my case, it has zero appeal. I've played some games on Wii before and I really can't see myself ever liking them

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[QUOTE="wolverine4262"] Who cares what they look like? They are enjoying themselves and thats what its all about.wolverine4262

You can't say you've watched thisand didn't laugh.

If people want to use motion contorls, that is fine. I'm not going to use them

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[QUOTE="wolverine4262"] Who cares what they look like? They are enjoying themselves and thats what its all about.BPoole96

What I said has nothing to do with me trying to be a "kool kid"

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[QUOTE="Bigboi500"]Bu but you can only be a kool kid if you're holding a kontrollerz!

Bigboi500

What I said has nothing to do with me trying to be a "kool kid"

Ah sorry for taking it out of context :)

I'm not gonna lie, if EyeToy couldn't change human perspective then I don't see how Natal would. Either way MS already spent millions of dollars for this project so they're definitely gonna advertise the **** outta this. Oh God..., if this is how future gaming will be then there's no hope... 2012 does look accurate. :cry:

There are so many reasons it's not even funny:

Might get tiresome after a while

Some people want a controller

Some hate motion controls altogether

Some call it a Eye Toy rip off

It'll be flooded with shovelware most likely

Library may not be great for it

The price of $150

It'll be hard to do certain genres like FPSs for example

It might not succeed in the long run

Even assuming it "looks fun" do you really think this would remain amusing for an extended period of time? :/

shinrabanshou

I hate it because it is disgustingly horrible and is pure utter pr bs.

I think MS will steal the show at E3 with Natal and that it may change gaming forever. None of that makes me want to jump around in front of my TV though. Now if games are made using Natal and the standard controller in unison and I can keep my hiney in the recliner...well then I'm interested. getyeryayasout

[QUOTE="shinrabanshou"]Even assuming it "looks fun" do you really think this would remain amusing for an extended period of time? :/

wolverine4262

Perhaps I simply have a short attention span, but frankly none of that seems particularly appealing, nor would it amuse me for long even if it was.

I'm not gonna lie, if EyeToy couldn't change human perspective then I don't see how Natal would. Either way MS already spent millions of dollars for this project so they're definitely gonna advertise the **** outta this. Oh God..., if this is how future gaming will be then there's no hope... 2012 does look accurate. :cry:

Bazooka_4ME

I think its funny so many are lambasting the thing when we know literally just as much about it as we did a year ago. The best part is that there is no way in hell MS would set aside a whole day for the press to play it before E3 if it wasnt any good. wolverine4262

Natal is complete and utter garbage that is basically marketed as innovative and revoloutionary waggle. I don't understand what is great or fascinating about it.

[QUOTE="wolverine4262"]I think its funny so many are lambasting the thing when we know literally just as much about it as we did a year ago. The best part is that there is no way in hell MS would set aside a whole day for the press to play it before E3 if it wasnt any good. nhh18

I think its funny so many are lambasting the thing when we know literally just as much about it as we did a year ago. The best part is that there is no way in hell MS would set aside a whole day for the press to play it before E3 if it wasnt any good. wolverine4262

It works the other way too. If it's so spectacular, then why isn't it being shown or trialled by the public. Why do we know nothing about it? Generally a company trying to promote a product will try to disseminate information about it to the public, or even better let the public try it for themselves.

A day of Cirque du Soleil for the press, who aren't allowed to video or photograph anything, isn't really indicative one way or the other.

It works the other way too. If it's so spectacular, then why isn't it being shown or trialled by the public. Why do we know nothing about it? Generally a company trying to promote a product will try to disseminate information about it to the public, or even better let the public try it for themselves.

shinrabanshou

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MS does this with their products a lot. They wait until just a few months out from release to formally show off a product in full detail. It does a lot for hype, but also show a product in its best light. The public will get their hands on it. At the very least, itll be at Justin Beiber concerts >_>...

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[QUOTE="wolverine4262"]I think its funny so many are lambasting the thing when we know literally just as much about it as we did a year ago. The best part is that there is no way in hell MS would set aside a whole day for the press to play it before E3 if it wasnt any good. wolverine4262

I bet you that natal is a huge dud, and wii-mote control is presented in gaming the next generation.

You are saying because microsoft is giving it press time it is amazing. That is never the case. There are many jokes at e3 which included nintendo 2008 e3 with wii music and tons of duds in terms of software. Sony playstation 3 joke fest. I don't understand why somethign that looks completely unresponsive, gimmicky, and downright horrible in almost all the videos can't be as horrible as people make it out. What should we base off of what we know about natal as of now? The fact that we have been shown a completely mundane mini-game. The fact that each video has shown glitches and lag. The fact that it is stated as a casual machine. Or we should assume that because microsoft has a natal event it is the best innovation of gaming since the wii-mote?

I bet you that natal is a huge dud, and wii-mote control is presented in gaming the next generation.

nhh18

people always hate what they are not used too, and whats different;)

I'm not gonna lie, if EyeToy couldn't change human perspective then I don't see how Natal would. Either way MS already spent millions of dollars for this project so they're definitely gonna advertise the **** outta this. Oh God..., if this is how future gaming will be then there's no hope... 2012 does look accurate. :cry:

Bazooka_4ME

That definitely won't happen (in bold). I don't know why people keep believing that.

Plus I don't see Natal succeeding, especially coming so far late into this gen.

Sony passed on this technology because there wasn't much diffrence with Eyetoy as far as gaming experience goes. Once again, Microsoft is gobbling up the scraps that fall from the enemy's table as if it was precious mana, just like they did with Rare and Silicon Knights (and look how those turned out, LOL).

Im looking forward to natal.I think the reason that u see a lot of people on here bashing it is because sony fans have been frequenting these sites for years and most stick around these websites.Most people i know own a 360 or a wii.Very few people i know own a ps3 and id bet most of u know more people that own 360s or wiis over the ps3.I see alot of ps3 love in forums than i do in real life.Not saying ps3 is a bad system cause its not,hell i have one.

I think because at this point it looks just like a sllightly more advanced Eye Toy and for the most part Eye Toy was just swining your arms around in mostly throwaway waggle fests.

I guess it's not really what most gamers in these forums are interested in.

If however it goes above and beyond just waggle and waving, and is actually accurate and responsive enough to be more than mostly flailing luck, then it might be pretty cool.

I think the picture below pretty much sums up why Natal gets the hate from all camps.

tbs76

You shouldn't confuse hating with skepticism.

I'm skeptic regarding Natal because we honestly haven't really seen it in practice yet.

That's one thing that Move has as an advantage over Natal. We have seen Move on practise and know that it's basically a Wii-mote with potentially better tech. We can imagine what the games will be like for Move because we have experienced them on the Wii for over three years now.

I don't hate it and in fact am more interested then ever since very soon we shall finally get to see what Rare has cooked up for thin umm, newfangled contraption. :)