Why all the noise about what place your console is in?

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#1 rawsavon
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This is an anti-post

Just asking everyone to shut the F up about what place their particular console is in.

Who cares?

As long as you are happy with your console and the games you are getting for it, why do you care how well the competition is/is not doing?

If you are not happy, sell your console and get the one that will make you happy.

I have a PS3. It is in last place, it will probably finish in last place. I DON"T CARE because I love the games that it has/has coming down the line.

If I did care about having the "first place" console, I would get a Wii.

If you have your favorite item {???} and it ships 10 billion units and it makes you happy, do you really care how many units the competition shipped.

As long as my console is still supported with games I like, I am happy.

Everyone else should feel the same, NO?

Just be happy with what you have (or do something about it), know that others bought the console(s) that made them happy, let everyone just enjoy the great games taht are coming out for all consoles, and lets have more meaningful forum conversations than "my console is in ____place"

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#2 reyad-u
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Bragging rights. That's all there is to it, it's the same as supporting a sports team (IMO), there's isn't much you do aside from gloating when your team is at the top of the league.
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#3 samuraiguns
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What?! what bragging rights? It is not like the Microsoft of SONY is paying you for owning their systems.

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#4 reyad-u
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Don't you see some people getting excited over their console of choice when said console is doing particularly good in a certain field?
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#5 Mogotoo
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I totally agree with you. However, I think people care about their console's success because if a system flops, then it may not have the incentive to continue. Just look at Sega. They lost to Nintendo, and now they've stopped making consoles...I think.

People don't want to see their console die out because they want to see their favourite company continue to make great consoles.

Let's take your example, the PS3. Imagine if it did so bad in the market that there were no financial resources left over for Sony to continue in the gaming industry. That means no new Playstations. Would you want that to happen?

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#6 rawsavon
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Yes, I agree with the "continue" part But NONE of the consoles this generation are in danger of not being "continued" The PS3 has sold a lot, just not as much as the others And I really don't want the same company to dominate for 3 generations I want heathy competition/multiple consoles Everyone should be rooting for multiple consoles to survive = better games, better technology, more innovation, lower prices
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#7 nmaharg
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This is SW adapt or leave.

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#8 rawsavon
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This is SW adapt or leave.

nmaharg
What does that have do to do with anything There is nothing to argue about in regards to # systems sold, they are facts, no disputing facts Why argue/constantly talk about facts
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#9 Jaysonguy
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More sales = More games

Anyone saying they don't care what place their console is in is also saying they don't care about getting games for the console

Just like Activision saying they hate wasting their time on the PS3 and see it get them less money then if they dedicated themselves elsewhere.

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#10 deactivated-5d6e91f5c147a
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You obviously cared enough to post this.
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#11 sexy_robot_man
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It is justification for insecure fanboys nothing more.

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#12 samuraiguns
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Don't you see some people getting excited over their console of choice when said console is doing particularly good in a certain field?reyad-u
I know you were right, it was just that I worded it wrong. :P I meant to say that the bragging right issue is stupid.
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#13 rawsavon
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Or Sony has to try even harder with their exclusives and First party games to try and even things out in the games department Which they have this generation (as opposed to relying on second party support like they did wih PS1 and 2) Now talking about best games is a meaningful discussion
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#14 nmaharg
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[QUOTE="nmaharg"]

This is SW adapt or leave.

rawsavon
What does that have do to do with anything There is nothing to argue about in regards to # systems sold, they are facts, no disputing facts Why argue/constantly talk about facts

Because thats what is done here. It will never change. ANd it's not about the debate, it's about the fact you can claim ownage with sales. Kinda like game reviews are set in stone, but still very relevant. What is the point in having a debate using only your personal opinion?
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Or Sony has to try even harder with their exclusives and First party games to try and even things out in the games department Which they have this generation (as opposed to relying on second party support like they did wih PS1 and 2) Now talking about best games is a meaningful discussionrawsavon

Not at all

So you're saying because devs don't want to dedicate time on the PS3 Sony has to make up the slack and fill every single genre?

No sorry, doesn't work like that

Just like the 360 gets DLC that the PS3 doesn't get for a year or more, just like how most devs make games on the 360 and then port them over to the PS3

If the PS3 was leading the way with sales it would have it's own teams to do these things. Fallout wouldn't have half the game on the PS3 and the full game elsewhere.

Sales = Games

If you think sales don't matter then you think games don't matter

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#16 rawsavon
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[QUOTE="rawsavon"][QUOTE="nmaharg"]

This is SW adapt or leave.

nmaharg

What does that have do to do with anything There is nothing to argue about in regards to # systems sold, they are facts, no disputing facts Why argue/constantly talk about facts

Because thats what is done here. It will never change. ANd it's not about the debate, it's about the fact you can claim ownage with sales. Kinda like game reviews are set in stone, but still very relevant. What is the point in having a debate using only your personal opinion?

There is no debating facts

Facts are facts, cannot be debated, otherwise they are not facts

BUT NEVERMIND this whole post

I am just tired of going to the frontpage of system wars and this all I see

No meaningful discussion. Just what place is ______ in

But you are right, it will never change, pointless to try

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#17 nmaharg
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Or Sony has to try even harder with their exclusives and First party games to try and even things out in the games department Which they have this generation (as opposed to relying on second party support like they did wih PS1 and 2) Now talking about best games is a meaningful discussionrawsavon
The real question is how long can sony continue to dish out high priced exclusives when sales don't match up. Sony fans need to hit up gamestop a little more often.

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#18 rawsavon
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[QUOTE="rawsavon"]Or Sony has to try even harder with their exclusives and First party games to try and even things out in the games department Which they have this generation (as opposed to relying on second party support like they did wih PS1 and 2) Now talking about best games is a meaningful discussionJaysonguy

Not at all

So you're saying because devs don't want to dedicate time on the PS3 Sony has to make up the slack and fill every single genre?

No sorry, doesn't work like that

Just like the 360 gets DLC that the PS3 doesn't get for a year or more, just like how most devs make games on the 360 and then port them over to the PS3

If the PS3 was leading the way with sales it would have it's own teams to do these things. Fallout wouldn't have half the game on the PS3 and the full game elsewhere.

Sales = Games

If you think sales don't matter then you think games don't matter

Sales = Games Now that is something we can debate What place is ____in, there is no debate, only facts
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#19 nmaharg
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[QUOTE="nmaharg"][QUOTE="rawsavon"] What does that have do to do with anything There is nothing to argue about in regards to # systems sold, they are facts, no disputing facts Why argue/constantly talk about factsrawsavon

Because thats what is done here. It will never change. ANd it's not about the debate, it's about the fact you can claim ownage with sales. Kinda like game reviews are set in stone, but still very relevant. What is the point in having a debate using only your personal opinion?

There is no debating facts

Facts are facts, cannot be debated, otherwise they are not facts

BUT NEVERMIND this whole post

I am just tired of going to the frontpage of system wars and this all I see

No meaningful discussion. Just what place is ______ in

But you are right, it will never change, pointless to try

Of course you don't debate facts you use them to help your argument. Kinda like 360 > PS3 because the 360 sells more(Not what I personally think). It is and has been a valid argument in SW forever.
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#20 rawsavon
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[QUOTE="rawsavon"]Or Sony has to try even harder with their exclusives and First party games to try and even things out in the games department Which they have this generation (as opposed to relying on second party support like they did wih PS1 and 2) Now talking about best games is a meaningful discussionJaysonguy

Not at all

So you're saying because devs don't want to dedicate time on the PS3 Sony has to make up the slack and fill every single genre?

No sorry, doesn't work like that

Just like the 360 gets DLC that the PS3 doesn't get for a year or more, just like how most devs make games on the 360 and then port them over to the PS3

If the PS3 was leading the way with sales it would have it's own teams to do these things. Fallout wouldn't have half the game on the PS3 and the full game elsewhere.

Sales = Games

If you think sales don't matter then you think games don't matter

This is my whole point. We can have a good debate on the topic of sales = games. That is a matter of opinion. (XBOX had good games last gen even though PS2 killed it and PS3 has great games this gen even being a distant 3rd) But we can't debate # systems sold
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[QUOTE="rawsavon"]Or Sony has to try even harder with their exclusives and First party games to try and even things out in the games department Which they have this generation (as opposed to relying on second party support like they did wih PS1 and 2) Now talking about best games is a meaningful discussionJaysonguy

Not at all

So you're saying because devs don't want to dedicate time on the PS3 Sony has to make up the slack and fill every single genre?

No sorry, doesn't work like that

Just like the 360 gets DLC that the PS3 doesn't get for a year or more, just like how most devs make games on the 360 and then port them over to the PS3

If the PS3 was leading the way with sales it would have it's own teams to do these things. Fallout wouldn't have half the game on the PS3 and the full game elsewhere.

Sales = Games

If you think sales don't matter then you think games don't matter

'

That is a logical train of thought but we all know this is not why sales threads pollute sw.

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#22 Rockman999
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More sales = More games

Jaysonguy

Tell that to the Wii.

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#23 lvgaming
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To justify the purchase of the gaming platform that person chose.

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#24 Eddie-Vedder
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[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]

More sales = More games

Rockman999

Tell that to the Wii.

Exactly, it also doesn't explain why for the last 2 years the PS3 has been the console getting most of the high quality exclusives. More sales = More games is pure speculation which has been proved not entirely true this gen, things aren't that simple, there a ton a factors.
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Well activison is stupid. World at War sold like over 3 million on PS3 and like a little over a million on Wii. Yeah his statement makes no sense at all. All 3 versions of activision's games sell over a million no problem. The PS3 version sells the least units most of the time, but still there is no way that selling 2 or 3 million units on a singleplatform is bad. If it is then you don't know how to work the system. Most games these days don't sell like activision's games and they are just recycled hardware from the year before, so how can Activision say that they are losing money on the PS3 and nowhere else? You know call of duty modern warfare 2 is going to sell like mad on all the systems it's on.

People like to brag about their prefered system doing well. People like to rag on the once dominant company going downhill. It was the same way when Nintendo lost it's dominance back in 96 and 97. Nintendo was home to pretty much mostly everything and then they didn't switch to disc format which screwed them.

Sony lost their dominance because of Price and lack of software at the start. Theother problem the average consumer still thinks that the PS3 is the same as it was 3 years ago almost and it isn't. Sony doesn't advertise either. Most of their adversing is done in the fall and most of the commercials are crap for the game. The commercials for Resistance 2 and Motorstorm 2 were garbage. The 360 had the commercial where all the game cases formed the shape of a 360 and advertised that they had over 300 games on the system. The coolest commercial PS3 had was in fall of 07 where they showed off heavenly sword, ratchet and clank, uncharted, warhawk and assassins creed. Then they had the other commercial that showed off metal gear, haze, and Gran Turismo 5 prologue. 2008's lineup was stronger than 07, they had quite a bit of exculsives that were top rated and did nothing to advertise. All the multiplats ran equally well on PS3. Another problem they have is that some of their biggest exclusives come out at odd times. Killzone came out right after the holidays so itdidn't have the impact itwas meant to. Hot Shots Golf 5 came and went without a mention of it being out.

Sony also lacksexclusive games that appeal to the masses. They don't have any well known system sellers that are exclusive. Grand Theft Auto and Final Fantasywere system sellers for sony back in the PS1 and 2, they don't have that pull anymore. Devil May Cry and Tekken were also system sellers to a point. They don't have that anymore. It's basically theconsumer sticking to what it knows will be good games. All the games that are hyped up so the massesknow about whatgame to get are all multiplat.

Sony is actually doing pretty good for notbeing agressive. They just need to really advertise what they have and really explain why what have is good for the average consumer.

No it doesn't matter what place a system is in. Only fanboys care about what place things are in. Somepeople care because they fear therewillno longer be that brand.

Sega failed longbefore the Dreamcastcame out. They failed becausepeople within in the company opposed one another and they never could settle on a direction they wanted to go. So they always built the middle of the road type stuff that didn't really showcase new technology. Sega CDdidn't do anything and only showcased FMV. A lot of the games were mostly nothing but movies. 32X failed becauseSega didn't know what to do and that was supposed to last"for the time being." TheSaturnswitched gears mid stream, it was originally supposed to be the "ultimate 2D" console but once they saw what Playstationhad they rushed getting a 3D processor in the system. Basicallythey had 2 GPU's one for 2d and one for 3d. 3rd parties couldn't figure it out and evenSega's first party had trouble. Gameslike Nights came outtwice because the orignal version had bugs in them. When the systemlaunched it was priced at 400 dollars and only had one game. Virtua Fighter 1. This one game was already available for the 32X and theSaturn version wasn't enhanced in any way. After 3 years inNorth America and Europe and with 4 years in the Japan territory. The Sega Saturn only sold 10 million units in that time frame.

When the Dreamcast launched in North AmericaSega screwed up by sending Japanese copies to American shores. The games didn't play because of region locking. Otherwise the Dreamcastwas rather successful for a Launch system. It had games like Sonic and Soul Calibur which sold systems. After people got wind of whatPS2 was going to be,theDreamcast started to die off. A lot of the games it had were already available on other systems with little enhancement to be found. Segaoffeed people free online if they bought thesystem, but that didn't work since there weren't many games that went online. Sony boastedthe DVD player as one of it'sfeatures in the PS2while being backward compatible for a price just a little bit more than the Dreamcast. Sega was struggling for sales as it was and could not afford to drop the price.

Sony is nowhere near that postion. They failed because they took too long with PS3 development, which got the creatorof the hardware demoted.The systemlaunched at a high price with an ok amount of games, but the problem was thatthere wasn'ta lot of games that followed afterlaunch.

The firstyear of the PS3 killed sony's image and they have done nothing to rectify it whatsoever.Until they do the things listed above, they will continue to be in 3rd place. Even though I believe 400 is a fair price for the system, most do not and Sonyshould just drop the price to 300. The only comparison you could make between Dreamcast and PS3 is that Sony can't afford to drop the price just like Sega couldn't with their system. The difference is that Sony was abundantly successful in the past, whilesega was only successful with the megadrive/genesis.

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Also, the whole idea about more consoles sold = more software sales is not true. Look at Wii. It has close to 52 million users but other than wii sports and wii fit along with mario kart, how many wii games do you hear about selling well. You hear more stories about how a game didn't sell on wii than you do about it's success. Sony will probably never get out of third, but they will turn out ok.

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#27 rawsavon
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Wow,

Long Post

Agree with most

These are the things we should be debating though...not NUMBER of systems sold

So i am glad my original post sparked some actual debate

My 2 cents:

1. Sony finishes third

2. PS3 continues to get great games

So I am ok with it

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#28 NYrockinlegend
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well, i guess 3rd place is the best place for sony right now, because if they were still in first, the lineup would suck even right now. im glad sony is trying harder than ever to strengthen their first party, and the system is better than ps2 for what it can do. still, i wish people would stop downplaying a great system. only problem is, the way sony's going, there may not be a ps4, and that puts next generation in danger.
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#29 full_disclosure
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the whole sales thing got out of control just after the Dreamcast died. It hasn't let up since. Basically trying to promote fear that such and such system of choice will go "the way of the Dreamcast". It's retarded really! Games sales are different however. For the budget of the sequel and future games and the health of the developer etc.

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#30 kunggustaf
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This is an anti-post ...

rawsavon

Shouldn't an anti-post be the exact opposite of a regular post (in other words) no post at all? Im confused... :? You cant come here and say that you will post nothing:D

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#31 rawsavon
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[QUOTE="kunggustaf"]

[QUOTE="rawsavon"]

This is an anti-post ...

Shouldn't an anti-post be the exact opposite of a regular post (in other words) no post at all? Im confused... :? You cant come here and say that you will post nothing:D

Thanks Smart A$$ -meant in the figurative sense (not literal)
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#32 NBSRDan
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The more users a particular system has, the more developers will realize that the system is a viable market, and the more games those users will get. It makes perfect sense to want the system you own to be ahead. Though the more common reason for these kinds of debates is probably buyer's remorse.
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#33 Rockman999
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[QUOTE="Rockman999"]

[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]

More sales = More games

Eddie-Vedder

Tell that to the Wii.

Exactly, it also doesn't explain why for the last 2 years the PS3 has been the console getting most of the high quality exclusives. More sales = More games is pure speculation which has been proved not entirely true this gen, things aren't that simple, there a ton a factors.

I know, nothing makes sense this gen.

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#34 rawsavon
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Agreed:

If I was a developer Wii and 360 would get all my love

I mean I am very glad PS3 is getting love (my console)

It just doesn't make sense

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Bragging rights. That's all there is to it, it's the same as supporting a sports team (IMO), there's isn't much you do aside from gloating when your team is at the top of the league.reyad-u
Yeah. It's a direct indication of how insecure a person is. If you use meaningless external competitions, especially ones you have almost no part in to feel good, then the problem is not being at piece with what your lucky to have.