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#1 Darsander
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It started small but now we have an RTS thread almost once a week. FPSes made be able to work with a controller with some modifications but I can never see RTSes working on consoles. Microsoft new RTSes would never be big on consoles so they closed the team that mad Halo Wars around the day it came out regardless of how much profit the game was going to make (because it wasn't going be anywhere near as big as the FPS Halo's). Most of us 'consolites' are also action junkies and mainly play action games besides maybe a small fraction of us that are pro JRPGs and TRPGs. I have also seen Blizzard rants, WoW rants, and MMO debates(none of the MMOs involved are on a console) on these forums. So basically, the grand majority of 'consolites' do not enjoy or care about RTSes, and this is System Wars not console wars. So can you guys stop turning this into a second PC/Mac discussion forums? :P
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#2 Banjo_Kongfooie
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Because Starcraft 2 came out
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Because Starcraft 2 came outBanjo_Kongfooie

^^ pretty much

it also happened when FF13 released.

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#4 Danm_999
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Hermits are talking about it because Starcraft 2 came out, which so far has met intense popularity and critical acclaim. It's also cute you try to spin Ensemble closing as something Microsoft was going to do "regardless of how much profit the make was going to make". It closed down because Halo Wars failed to make an impact.
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#5 Darsander
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Because Starcraft 2 came outBanjo_Kongfooie
And it's an RTS, it's not even a high end graphical powerhouse, maybe other than debating about the score it gets or its sales numbers most of us won't care... I bet most of us wouldn't even know about Starcraft if hermits never talked about it so much. They act like their games have so much influence on us that they trolled a get into oblivion for not knowing what a zerg was. I didn't know what an RTS was until I came onto these forums...
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#6 lowe0
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It's an obvious advantage, because no one's figured out how to do a decent RTS control scheme on a console... yet.

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#7 Darsander
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[QUOTE="Danm_999"]Hermits are talking about it because Starcraft 2 came out, which so far has met intense popularity and critical acclaim. It's also cute you try to spin Ensemble closing as something Microsoft was going to do "regardless of how much profit the make was going to make". It closed down because Halo Wars failed to make an impact.

They announced they were going to close them a month before the release of Halo Wars claiming it was because they kept going over budget. But none of their games sold less than 2 million so I'm sure they more than make up for going over budget. I thought Microsoft loved money?
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#9 Danm_999
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[QUOTE="Banjo_Kongfooie"]Because Starcraft 2 came outDarsander
And it's an RTS, it's not even a high end graphical powerhouse, maybe other than debating about the score it gets or its sales numbers most of us won't care... I bet most of us wouldn't even know about Starcraft if hermits never talked about it so much. They act like their games have so much influence on us that they trolled a get into oblivion for not knowing what a zerg was. I didn't know what an RTS was until I came onto these forums...

The reason that (infamous) poster was trolled was because he claimed to be a veteran Starcraft player; yet he revealed in a thread he didn't know what a Zerg was. But haven't you answered you're own question here? This is why people are talking about RTS and Starcraft atm. It seems you made this thread to whine about its influence indirectly.
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#10 Darsander
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It's an obvious advantage, because no one's figured out how to do a decent RTS control scheme on a console... yet.

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And I don't think there ever will be. 1. I have not played many RTS games but the way they play, I just don't think they can work out and still play the same way. If someone ever makes them work they're probably be as different as CRPGs and standard JRPGs. 2. Consoles don't have a huge market for strategy games, we are never going have big budget super hyped RTS games like Starcraft or the Total War series.
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#11 Darsander
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Other then Halo fanboys have we 'consolites' ever went crazy over an RTS? We are never going to be jealous over an RTS game.
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#12 Danm_999
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[QUOTE="Darsander"][QUOTE="Danm_999"]Hermits are talking about it because Starcraft 2 came out, which so far has met intense popularity and critical acclaim. It's also cute you try to spin Ensemble closing as something Microsoft was going to do "regardless of how much profit the make was going to make". It closed down because Halo Wars failed to make an impact.

They announced they were going to close them a month before the release of Halo Wars claiming it was because they kept going over budget. But none of their games sold less than 2 million so I'm sure they more than make up for going over budget. I thought Microsoft loved money?

They do. They just realized what a failed gambit Halo Wars was going to be even before the release.
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#13 Darsander
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[QUOTE="Darsander"][QUOTE="Banjo_Kongfooie"]Because Starcraft 2 came outDanm_999
And it's an RTS, it's not even a high end graphical powerhouse, maybe other than debating about the score it gets or its sales numbers most of us won't care... I bet most of us wouldn't even know about Starcraft if hermits never talked about it so much. They act like their games have so much influence on us that they trolled a get into oblivion for not knowing what a zerg was. I didn't know what an RTS was until I came onto these forums...

The reason that (infamous) poster was trolled was because he claimed to be a veteran Starcraft player; yet he revealed in a thread he didn't know what a Zerg was. But haven't you answered you're own question here? This is why people are talking about RTS and Starcraft atm. It seems you made this thread to whine about its influence indirectly.

I meant for this to be a funny thread but ti seems I hit a few soft spots. I'm just pointing out that other than Halo fanboys for Halo Wars, us consolites will never about RTS games.
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#14 Danm_999
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Other then Halo fanboys have we 'consolites' ever went crazy over an RTS? We are never going to be jealous over an RTS game.Darsander
Because you're ignorant of it. That's not necessarily a good thing.
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Other then Halo fanboys have we 'consolites' ever went crazy over an RTS? We are never going to be jealous over an RTS game.Darsander

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#16 Danm_999
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[QUOTE="Darsander"][QUOTE="Danm_999"][QUOTE="Darsander"] And it's an RTS, it's not even a high end graphical powerhouse, maybe other than debating about the score it gets or its sales numbers most of us won't care... I bet most of us wouldn't even know about Starcraft if hermits never talked about it so much. They act like their games have so much influence on us that they trolled a get into oblivion for not knowing what a zerg was. I didn't know what an RTS was until I came onto these forums...

The reason that (infamous) poster was trolled was because he claimed to be a veteran Starcraft player; yet he revealed in a thread he didn't know what a Zerg was. But haven't you answered you're own question here? This is why people are talking about RTS and Starcraft atm. It seems you made this thread to whine about its influence indirectly.

I meant for this to be a funny thread but ti seems I hit a few soft spots. I'm just pointing out that other than Halo fanboys for Halo Wars, us consolites will never about RTS games.

Ah. I suppose giving a coherent argument and context means you've "hit a soft spot". And of course you claim that console fanboys don't care about RTS; you've admitted you've never heard of them until you came on these forums. So you're not the most informed.
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[QUOTE="Darsander"] 2. Consoles don't have a huge market for strategy games, we are never going have big budget super hyped RTS games like Starcraft or the Total War series.

It's not the money that's the promblem, it's the controll scheme. The only console in the market that higher pottetioal in rts is the Wii, which apparntly they don't realize that.
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#18 Darsander
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[QUOTE="Darsander"]Other then Halo fanboys have we 'consolites' ever went crazy over an RTS? We are never going to be jealous over an RTS game.Danm_999
Because you're ignorant of it. That's not necessarily a good thing.

I have played Battle for Middle Earth and I found it boring after awhile. Are you going be like RPG fanboys and say I have to play through at least 10 critically acclaim games of the genre before I have the right to judge? It's not just RTSes I just find strategy games fun, I'm a huge action junkie.
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#19 Darsander
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[QUOTE="Danm_999"][QUOTE="Darsander"][QUOTE="Danm_999"] The reason that (infamous) poster was trolled was because he claimed to be a veteran Starcraft player; yet he revealed in a thread he didn't know what a Zerg was. But haven't you answered you're own question here? This is why people are talking about RTS and Starcraft atm. It seems you made this thread to whine about its influence indirectly.

I meant for this to be a funny thread but ti seems I hit a few soft spots. I'm just pointing out that other than Halo fanboys for Halo Wars, us consolites will never about RTS games.

Ah. I suppose giving a coherent argument and context means you've "hit a soft spot". And of course you claim that console fanboys don't care about RTS; you've admitted you've never heard of them until you came on these forums. So you're not the most informed.

I have been on these forums for years though...
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#20 Danm_999
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[QUOTE="Danm_999"][QUOTE="Darsander"]Other then Halo fanboys have we 'consolites' ever went crazy over an RTS? We are never going to be jealous over an RTS game.Darsander
Because you're ignorant of it. That's not necessarily a good thing.

I have played Battle for Middle Earth and I found it boring after awhile. Are you going be like RPG fanboys and say I have to play through at least 10 critically acclaim games of the genre before I have the right to judge? It's not just RTSes I just find strategy games fun, I'm a huge action junkie.

Of course I wouldn't ask you to play through 10 critically acclaimed action games. However, YOU YOURSELF claimed you hadn't heard of the RTS genre until you came onto these forums. You only have 84 posts. I have to wonder if you know what you're talking about at all.
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[QUOTE="Darsander"] 2. Consoles don't have a huge market for strategy games, we are never going have big budget super hyped RTS games like Starcraft or the Total War series.alexside1
It's not the money that's the promblem, it's the controll scheme. The only console in the market that higher pottetioal in rts is the Wii, which apparntly they don't realize that.

Who the hell would want to play an RTS with no more than 10 units on the screen at a time. If the 360 could not pull off one, the Wii sure isn't going to.
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#22 Danm_999
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[QUOTE="Darsander"] I have been on these forums for years though...

I'm going to talk a wild stab then; it was you who didn't know who/what Zerg were all those years ago?
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[QUOTE="Darsander"][QUOTE="Danm_999"][QUOTE="Darsander"] I meant for this to be a funny thread but ti seems I hit a few soft spots. I'm just pointing out that other than Halo fanboys for Halo Wars, us consolites will never about RTS games.

Ah. I suppose giving a coherent argument and context means you've "hit a soft spot". And of course you claim that console fanboys don't care about RTS; you've admitted you've never heard of them until you came on these forums. So you're not the most informed.

I have been on these forums for years though...

So you are admiting that this is as alt account?
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#24 lawlessx
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[QUOTE="Danm_999"][QUOTE="Darsander"] I meant for this to be a funny thread but ti seems I hit a few soft spots. I'm just pointing out that other than Halo fanboys for Halo Wars, us consolites will never about RTS games.Darsander
Ah. I suppose giving a coherent argument and context means you've "hit a soft spot". And of course you claim that console fanboys don't care about RTS; you've admitted you've never heard of them until you came on these forums. So you're not the most informed.

I have been on these forums for years though...

-member since May 18, 2010-


that is what it says in your profile.

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[QUOTE="Danm_999"][QUOTE="Darsander"][QUOTE="Danm_999"] Because you're ignorant of it. That's not necessarily a good thing.

I have played Battle for Middle Earth and I found it boring after awhile. Are you going be like RPG fanboys and say I have to play through at least 10 critically acclaim games of the genre before I have the right to judge? It's not just RTSes I just find strategy games fun, I'm a huge action junkie.

Of course I wouldn't ask you to play through 10 critically acclaimed action games. However, YOU YOURSELF claimed you hadn't heard of the RTS genre until you came onto these forums. You only have 84 posts. I have to wonder if you know what you're talking about at all.

Darsander is a new account, my old one is Nerkcon. I have been here since 06.
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I blame myself.

That guy that tried to flame PC gaming made a poll about the best PC game and I said Age of Empires II: The Age of Kings and then Charizard got excited made another topic about the best RTS then Other People started to talk about RTSs and etc etc....

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#28 Danm_999
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[QUOTE="Nerkcon"][QUOTE="Danm_999"][QUOTE="Darsander"] I have played Battle for Middle Earth and I found it boring after awhile. Are you going be like RPG fanboys and say I have to play through at least 10 critically acclaim games of the genre before I have the right to judge? It's not just RTSes I just find strategy games fun, I'm a huge action junkie.

Of course I wouldn't ask you to play through 10 critically acclaimed action games. However, YOU YOURSELF claimed you hadn't heard of the RTS genre until you came onto these forums. You only have 84 posts. I have to wonder if you know what you're talking about at all.

Darsander is a new account, my old one is Nerkcon. I have been here since 06.

So then, you haven't played anything since Battle for Middle Earth (a fairly mediocre example of the genre) since 2006, and you feel you can judge the genre?
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[QUOTE="Darsander"]Other then Halo fanboys have we 'consolites' ever went crazy over an RTS? We are never going to be jealous over an RTS game.Danm_999
Because you're ignorant of it. That's not necessarily a good thing.

I'm a consolite, and I'm well aware of RTS games. Any other incorrect generalizations you'd care to share with the group?
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#30 Arach666
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I blame myself.

That guy that tried to flame PC gaming made a poll about the best PC game and I said Age of Empires II: The Age of Kings and then Charizard got excited made another topic about the best RTS then Other People started to talk about RTSs and etc etc....

LegatoSkyheart
Yeah,apparently lots of people here like Strategy games.
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#31 Danm_999
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[QUOTE="Danm_999"][QUOTE="Darsander"]Other then Halo fanboys have we 'consolites' ever went crazy over an RTS? We are never going to be jealous over an RTS game.lowe0
Because you're ignorant of it. That's not necessarily a good thing.

I'm a consolite, and I'm well aware of RTS games. Any other incorrect generalizations you'd care to share with the group?

Get off your high horse. I used the pronoun "you" (notice, not "consolites) at a poster who had 84 posts and admitted to not having heard of the RTS genre before they joined these forums. I was justified in my assertion.
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#32 LegatoSkyheart
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[QUOTE="LegatoSkyheart"]

I blame myself.

That guy that tried to flame PC gaming made a poll about the best PC game and I said Age of Empires II: The Age of Kings and then Charizard got excited made another topic about the best RTS then Other People started to talk about RTSs and etc etc....

Arach666

Yeah,apparently lots of people here like Strategy games.

You wouldn't know it until you mention Age of Empires II apperently.

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Other then Halo fanboys have we 'consolites' ever went crazy over an RTS? We are never going to be jealous over an RTS game.Darsander
Well...PC gamers don't care about fighters or action-adventure, but it doesn't stop console fanbouys from whining the PC platform lacks them

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[QUOTE="Danm_999"][QUOTE="Nerkcon"][QUOTE="Danm_999"] Of course I wouldn't ask you to play through 10 critically acclaimed action games. However, YOU YOURSELF claimed you hadn't heard of the RTS genre until you came onto these forums. You only have 84 posts. I have to wonder if you know what you're talking about at all.

Darsander is a new account, my old one is Nerkcon. I have been here since 06.

So then, you haven't played anything since Battle for Middle Earth (a fairly mediocre example of the genre) since 2006, and you feel you can judge the genre?

8.4 with PC higher standards is mediocre? I have also played Starcraft. I haven't played either games that much; At Starcraft I couldn't get past the Zerg defense level, and in BFME I couldn't get past Helm's Deep. So yeha, I suck and defending. Are you going go on me that I shound have kept playing them until I got better? I sucked at action games when I started playing those to, but a fun game is fun even when you are getting your ass handed to you. Strategy games are not fun to me. I don't know about other consolites but I just don't like Strategy games. Others I have tried; Disciples II and Disgaea Afternoon of Darkness.
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#36 Nerkcon
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[QUOTE="Darsander"]Other then Halo fanboys have we 'consolites' ever went crazy over an RTS? We are never going to be jealous over an RTS game.AdrianWerner

Well...PC gamers don't care about fighters or action-adventure, but it doesn't stop console fanbouys from whining the PC platform lacks them

But we're divided into three separate factions, so we can still argue over them. :P
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#37 Nerkcon
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[QUOTE="lowe0"][QUOTE="Danm_999"] Because you're ignorant of it. That's not necessarily a good thing.Danm_999
I'm a consolite, and I'm well aware of RTS games. Any other incorrect generalizations you'd care to share with the group?

Get off your high horse. I used the pronoun "you" (notice, not "consolites) at a poster who had 84 posts and admitted to not having heard of the RTS genre before they joined these forums. I was justified in my assertion.

It is you who is on a high house; 1. You assumed I was lying just because for some reason it is ridiculous to have different tastes than you. 2. You have this rude tone with your posts that almost feels like you're attacking me. 3. You called what is considered a decent to pretty fin game of the genre mediocre...
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#38 lucfonzy
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I think you should stop generalising people into what they like and what they don't like.

I'm a PC gamer, and I'm not particularly fond of RTS, mostly because I'm pretty bad at them, on the other hand I love fighting games etc. and it is a shame we don't get alot of the titles.

You personally, TC, as a console player don't like RTS games and feel the need to inform us that every other person who plays on a console feels the same way as you.

Basically, those people who exclusively play console games are not exposed to the RTS scene and for the sake of argument, you cannot make any kind of comment other than you have no opinion on the subject.

"I don't like this game because everyone is talking about it and I can't play it."

OH! And to comment on the thread title, what about HALO REACH. The number of threads about this game is astounding, if I were in your mindset then all discussion of the game should be left to the Xbox 360 forums.

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SC2 came out and Shogun 2 has the best graphics evar.

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#40 Snagal123
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So because some people don't like RTS games we shouldn't talk about them?

I don't like JRPGs and neither do many PC gamers, this is System Wars not console wars so from now on we can't talk about JRPGs, ok? No girly men allowed!

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#41 SparkyProtocol
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So because some people don't like RTS games we shouldn't talk about them?

I don't like JRPGs and neither do many PC gamers, this is System Wars not console wars so from now on we can't talk about JRPGs, ok? No girly men allowed!

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More like Japanese not Roleplaying Game, to be honest.:o

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#42 Darsander
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I'll like to apologize to everyone in this thread. After reading it; I clearly came off as a jackass first. :( I didn't meant this to come off as a flame, I thought thread would had been funny with some hermits talking about plans of the master race invading SW.
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#43 Darsander
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So because some people don't like RTS games we shouldn't talk about them?

I don't like JRPGs and neither do many PC gamers, this is System Wars not console wars so from now on we can't talk about JRPGs, ok? No girly men allowed!

Snagal123
So can we combine all our games now if you're going count us all as one group? We are 3 factions and we can argue over who has better JRPGs. When talking about MMOs or RTSes on System Wars who are you comparing with?
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#44 Darsander
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SC2 came out and Shogun 2 has the best graphics evar.SparkyProtocol
Shogun 2 will not look nearly that good as it did in the trailer, I'm calling it now. I have read a debate in the PC forums about how CA has fallen.
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#45 Arach666
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[QUOTE="Snagal123"]

So because some people don't like RTS games we shouldn't talk about them?

I don't like JRPGs and neither do many PC gamers, this is System Wars not console wars so from now on we can't talk about JRPGs, ok? No girly men allowed!

Darsander
So can we combine all our games now if you're going count us all as one group? We are 3 factions and we can argue over who has better JRPGs. When talking about MMOs or RTSes on System Wars who are you comparing with?

To Halo Wars,Pikmin and the other PC ports consoles have. Even Brutal legend is a lot of a RTS.
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#46 Darsander
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And to comment on the thread title, what about HALO REACH. The number of threads about this game is astounding, if I were in your mindset then all discussion of the game should be left to the Xbox 360 forums.lucfonzy
It's a FPS, we compare it to other FPSes like Crysis 2 and Killzone 3, because fanboys from all platforms (except Sheep) play FPSes. But only one group faction has a hand in RTSes.
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#47 SparkyProtocol
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[QUOTE="SparkyProtocol"]SC2 came out and Shogun 2 has the best graphics evar.Darsander
Shogun 2 will not look nearly that good as it did in the trailer, I'm calling it now. I have read a debate in the PC forums about how CA has fallen.

Maybe not on your e-machine, but with the power of DX11 (im sure even with Dx10 is will looj pehnonimal :o), 3 or 4 gigs of ram, and atleast a fast dual core I know it will look that good. It is common sense. This isn't console gaming where they are forced to hide their games behind smoke and mirrors due to the huge limitations in memory.

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#48 Darsander
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[QUOTE="Darsander"][QUOTE="Snagal123"]

So because some people don't like RTS games we shouldn't talk about them?

I don't like JRPGs and neither do many PC gamers, this is System Wars not console wars so from now on we can't talk about JRPGs, ok? No girly men allowed!

Arach666
So can we combine all our games now if you're going count us all as one group? We are 3 factions and we can argue over who has better JRPGs. When talking about MMOs or RTSes on System Wars who are you comparing with?

To Halo Wars,Pikmin and the other PC ports consoles have. Even Brutal legend is a lot of a RTS.

Heh, I forgot about Pikmin, My sister rented it once, I played it for about ten minutes... I didn't remember anything and when I don't remember something, it usually because I delete the memory was so harmful to me. :P And didn't the guy who made Brutal Legend made a guide how to play it properly saying if you play it like an RTS, you would fail?
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#49 Arach666
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[QUOTE="Darsander"][QUOTE="Arach666"][QUOTE="Darsander"] So can we combine all our games now if you're going count us all as one group? We are 3 factions and we can argue over who has better JRPGs. When talking about MMOs or RTSes on System Wars who are you comparing with?

To Halo Wars,Pikmin and the other PC ports consoles have. Even Brutal legend is a lot of a RTS.

Heh, I forgot about Pikmin, My sister rented it once, I played it for about ten minutes... I didn't remember anything and when I don't remember something, it usually because I delete the memory was so harmful to me. :P And didn't the guy who made Brutal Legend made a guide how to play it properly saying if you play it like an RTS, you would fail?

I would like to see a link where Tim Schaffer says that.
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#50 Darsander
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[QUOTE="Darsander"][QUOTE="SparkyProtocol"]SC2 came out and Shogun 2 has the best graphics evar.SparkyProtocol

Shogun 2 will not look nearly that good as it did in the trailer, I'm calling it now. I have read a debate in the PC forums about how CA has fallen.

Maybe not on your e-machine, but with the power of DX11 (im sure even with Dx10 is will looj pehnonimal :o), 3 or 4 gigs of ram, and atleast a fast dual core I know it will look that good. It is common sense. This isn't console gaming where they are forced to hide their games behind smoke and mirrors due to the huge limitations in memory.

But not one game I know ever plays and looks as cool as they do in their trailers, how can I because this one isn't lying? Also early last year my Sister got Total War 2 and let me played it for a few minutes before she found out I was on her laptop and kicked me off. I liked it so I got Total War 1 for $10 at Wal-Mart... a disk was broking and it never installed further after a certain percent! :cry: