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#1 Bread_or_Decide
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They don't care about HD. They don't care about HDMI. They don't care about Blu Ray. They don't care about updates graphics. They don't care about online mutiplayer. They don't care about hard drives on consoles. They don't care about downloadable demos, trailers, or movies.

But they praise motion sensing.

Do they realize what the word...innovation reallly means?

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Sony fanbois started to care about this crap and look where it got them.
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#3 nickmag
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Well the DS is shockingly better than the PSP even though the PSP is technically better. I think that's all I need to say.
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#4 ramey70
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I've never gotten the knock on HD from Nintendo supporters.   They can make a case that graphics aren't everything, which they aren't.  But wouldn't it be nice if the Wii did support HD graphics?  Would you really complain if it did?
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Most people don't own a HDTV....Why would someone want to pay a extra $200 for HD when they can't use the HD?

Nintendo knew that and made a system that everyone could afford

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Sony fanbois started to care about this crap and look where it got them.3picuri3
The 360 is also a HD capable machine, in fact it may be better than the PS3 in terms of gaming HD. It's doing pretty well for them.
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They don't care about HD. They don't care about HDMI. They don't care about Blu Ray. They don't care about updates graphics.

But they praise motion sensing.

Do they realize what the word...innovation reallly means?

Bread_or_Decide
Honestly, (yes, I'm pulling this percentage out of my ass) 90% of people today don't give a crap about HD. Plus, HD/ Blu-ray are not really "innovations" but more like evolution of technology.
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#8 Bread_or_Decide
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Sony fanbois started to care about this crap and look where it got them.3picuri3

But why so ANTI-technology? I figured  gamers would totally geek out at what all these features have to offer.

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Most people don't own a HDTV....Why would someone want to pay a extra $200 for HD when they can't use the HD?

Nintendo knew that and made a system that everyone could afford

HarlockJC
The core 360 is $299 plus $30 for component cables. That's only an $80 difference than the Wii.
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#10 Hoobinator
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Most people don't own a HDTV....Why would someone want to pay a extra $200 for HD when they can't use the HD?

Nintendo knew that and made a system that everyone could afford

HarlockJC

Pity they forgot to cater to the avid / hardcore gamer and decided housewives were more important :|
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[QUOTE="HarlockJC"]

Most people don't own a HDTV....Why would someone want to pay a extra $200 for HD when they can't use the HD?

Nintendo knew that and made a system that everyone could afford

ramey70

The core 360 is $299 plus $30 for component cables. That's only an $80 difference than the Wii.

Lets see buy a 360 for $80 more with no hard drive for the cost of two more games....Sorry I would take the games......If it was $80 more and had a hard drive then it may be a good buy for someone but without it who would want it

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#12 Ontain
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I've never gotten the knock on HD from Nintendo supporters. They can make a case that graphics aren't everything, which they aren't. But wouldn't it be nice if the Wii did support HD graphics? Would you really complain if it did?ramey70
of course not. but what would the price of the system cost and how would that effect what type of games come out. I believe that if the wii was the same price as the 360 with just slightly worse graphics it wouldn't sell as well as it is now.
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HD TV sales are doubling every year. You have to basically HUNT down SD TV's in most stores today. DVD players started out the same way. Sure their are plenty  more folks who have yet to own an HD TV but most people are planning on making it their NEXT Tv purchase. So this rise is going to hit a real boom VERY soon. Plus its a difference that you notice, not just in the HD but in the shape of the television sets. Movies can finally be watched in a theatrical fashion without black bars or with as little of it as possible depending on the aspect ratio. It expands your point of view in games. This is not a small leap, this is a huge step in televisions one that we haven't seen in a long long time. Its not far away either its already happening just look at the sales.

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They arn't anti technology, they are just justifying their purchase.
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[QUOTE="3picuri3"]Sony fanbois started to care about this crap and look where it got them.ramey70
The 360 is also a HD capable machine, in fact it may be better than the PS3 in terms of gaming HD. It's doing pretty well for them.

ps3 is the only true hd systhem thats a fact. ps3 has HDMI BLU ray and full 1080p. 360 only uses dvd just for that fact alone makes it not true hd cus u have to buy hd dvd. games will also be hurt by the lack of space on dvds
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[QUOTE="HarlockJC"]

Most people don't own a HDTV....Why would someone want to pay a extra $200 for HD when they can't use the HD?

Nintendo knew that and made a system that everyone could afford

Hoobinator


Pity they forgot to cater to the avid / hardcore gamer and decided housewives were more important :|

So making Zelda, Mario, MP3, SPM and SSBM are not games games made for hardcore players has well has the housewives? I don't think someone can call them selfs hard core without playiing Zelda and Mario

Plus a true Hard Core gamer would have all three systems

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#17 Quofan
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[QUOTE="3picuri3"]Sony fanbois started to care about this crap and look where it got them.Bread_or_Decide

But why so ANTI-technology? I figured  gamers would totally geek out at what all these features have to offer.

Thats becaused we are GAMERS and this is a gaming forum....not tech junkies who feel the need to show off all the money they spent on some nonsense like HD. Its arrogant posers and casuals like that the sheep dont like, and I kinda feel the same way.

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[QUOTE="3picuri3"]Sony fanbois started to care about this crap and look where it got them.ramey70
The 360 is also a HD capable machine, in fact it may be better than the PS3 in terms of gaming HD. It's doing pretty well for them.



yeah but it wasn't designed with 'bleeding edge' in mind, and some ulterior motives a la bluray.

MS never planned to add HD-DVD - decision was made after Sony announced bluray and saw some consumer support.

From the beginning MS has been focussing on whats important -- GAMES, and securing all IPOs that they could, and from the look of things they're kicking Sony's tail in that department.
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[QUOTE="ramey70"]I've never gotten the knock on HD from Nintendo supporters. They can make a case that graphics aren't everything, which they aren't. But wouldn't it be nice if the Wii did support HD graphics? Would you really complain if it did?Ontain
of course not. but what would the price of the system cost and how would that effect what type of games come out. I believe that if the wii was the same price as the 360 with just slightly worse graphics it wouldn't sell as well as it is now.

That's a worthy arguement. But why the certain disdain for HD or the absurd notions that it's "isn't much of an upgrade" or how some people say it "isn't a noticeable difference". It seems some Nintendo supporters simply bash HD for the simple fact that the Wii doesn't have it. Why not just say "HD is awesome, and the Wii would be a better machine with it. However, the $250 price tag is nicer than having HD". Why are people so incapable of a rational position on this forum? (not saying you're one of those people).
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#20 Bread_or_Decide
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[QUOTE="Ontain"][QUOTE="ramey70"]I've never gotten the knock on HD from Nintendo supporters. They can make a case that graphics aren't everything, which they aren't. But wouldn't it be nice if the Wii did support HD graphics? Would you really complain if it did?ramey70
of course not. but what would the price of the system cost and how would that effect what type of games come out. I believe that if the wii was the same price as the 360 with just slightly worse graphics it wouldn't sell as well as it is now.

That's a worthy arguement. But why the certain disdain for HD or the absurd notions that it's "isn't much of an upgrade" or how some people say it "isn't a noticeable difference". It seems some Nintendo supporters simply bash HD for the simple fact that the Wii doesn't have it. Why not just say "HD is awesome, and the Wii would be a better machine with it. However, the $250 price tag is nicer than having HD". Why are people so incapable of a rational position on this forum? (not saying you're one of those people).

AMEN! Couldn't have said it better myself. 

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#21 Bread_or_Decide
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[QUOTE="3picuri3"]Sony fanbois started to care about this crap and look where it got them.Quofan

But why so ANTI-technology? I figured  gamers would totally geek out at what all these features have to offer.

Thats becaused we are GAMERS and this is a gaming forum....not tech junkies who feel the need to show off all the money they spent on some nonsense like HD. Its arrogant posers and casuals like that the sheep dont like, and I kinda feel the same way.

Why is HD nonsense?  See this is what I am talking about...

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HD TV sales are doubling every year. You have to basically HUNT down SD TV's in most stores today. DVD players started out the same way. Sure their are plenty  more folks who have yet to own an HD TV but most people are planning on making it their NEXT Tv purchase. So this rise is going to hit a real boom VERY soon. Plus its a difference that you notice, not just in the HD but in the shape of the television sets. Movies can finally be watched in a theatrical fashion without black bars or with as little of it as possible depending on the aspect ratio. It expands your point of view in games. This is not a small leap, this is a huge step in televisions one that we haven't seen in a long long time. Its not far away either its already happening just look at the sales.

Bread_or_Decide

Maybe in the US the sale of HD are going up but even if they are doubling that still a very small amount of people that own a HDTV. It is going to take about 5 years for HD TV to be in most people houses about the same time a new Nintendo would be due.

Don't get me wrong I want a PS3 "I had almost picked one up and they were sold out got a dishwasher with the same money" but it hard comming up with a extra $600 much less a extra 1000 to buy a HD TV.

 

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[QUOTE="ramey70"][QUOTE="3picuri3"]Sony fanbois started to care about this crap and look where it got them.deadmeat59
The 360 is also a HD capable machine, in fact it may be better than the PS3 in terms of gaming HD. It's doing pretty well for them.

ps3 is the only true hd systhem thats a fact. ps3 has HDMI BLU ray and full 1080p. 360 only uses dvd just for that fact alone makes it not true hd cus u have to buy hd dvd. games will also be hurt by the lack of space on dvds



HD is just a change in resolution. Even the Wii can do HD as long as it it didnt use component cables. Did you need to buy a brand new computer to jumpt the resolution from 800 x 600 to a higher amount?
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#24 Hoobinator
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[QUOTE="Hoobinator"][QUOTE="HarlockJC"]

Most people don't own a HDTV....Why would someone want to pay a extra $200 for HD when they can't use the HD?

Nintendo knew that and made a system that everyone could afford

HarlockJC


Pity they forgot to cater to the avid / hardcore gamer and decided housewives were more important :|

So making Zelda, Mario, MP3, SPM and SSBM are not games games made for hardcore players has well has the housewives? I don't think someone can call them selfs hard core without playiing Zelda and Mario

Plus a true Hard Core gamer would have all three systems


Yeah that's great give us the 23rd (quite literally) iteration of these games, remember TP's biggest failings was it was too much of the same. Apart from MP3 and SSBM (maybe) it's a little been there done that. Compare that to the 360 and it has more games that cater to avid gamers coming out just this year.
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HD TV sales are doubling every year. You have to basically HUNT down SD TV's in most stores today. DVD players started out the same way. Sure their are plenty  more folks who have yet to own an HD TV but most people are planning on making it their NEXT Tv purchase. So this rise is going to hit a real boom VERY soon. Plus its a difference that you notice, not just in the HD but in the shape of the television sets. Movies can finally be watched in a theatrical fashion without black bars or with as little of it as possible depending on the aspect ratio. It expands your point of view in games. This is not a small leap, this is a huge step in televisions one that we haven't seen in a long long time. Its not far away either its already happening just look at the sales.

Bread_or_Decide

DVD's, HD TV's, its all the same. They take advantage of morons who are obsessed with technology. The only reason that regular people are buying HD TV's is because they will be made standard, but not for a few years yet. I honestly didnt care (nor did many others) about DVD's either, but I was forced to invest  in them due to the fact they have replaced videosand thats how campanies make money. The only difference to me between DVD's and videos is the extra content. Thats about it. Its the companies who win in the end because they save money with selling a cheaper media format at a higher price.

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[QUOTE="ramey70"][QUOTE="3picuri3"]Sony fanbois started to care about this crap and look where it got them.deadmeat59
The 360 is also a HD capable machine, in fact it may be better than the PS3 in terms of gaming HD. It's doing pretty well for them.

ps3 is the only true hd systhem thats a fact. ps3 has HDMI BLU ray and full 1080p. 360 only uses dvd just for that fact alone makes it not true hd cus u have to buy hd dvd. games will also be hurt by the lack of space on dvds

The 360 is capable of rendering and upscaling 1080p images. It can produce 720p and 1080i images with ease and those are also standard HD resolutions. HDMI is not neccessary to transmit 1080p images for games. Nor is Bluray neccessary for HD as well as it is simply a storage medium.
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Well yeah its expensive but its getting cheaper all the time. Theirs an HD TV out there for almost any price range for people with some expendable income. But just because everyone doesn't have it doesn't make it cool or not necessary. Still thats not an excuse to dismiss it, Nintendo also said we didn't need CDs to play games...or online play...good thing the other companies thought differently. So I don't exactly trust Nintendo when they tell me I don't need HD until 5 years down the line. We are talking about the company that took...HOW long to add a back light to the gameboy?

But this isn't an anti-Nintendo thread. Its a PRO-HD thread. Quit hating just because now I can see your pores in crip clear clarity!

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[QUOTE="deadmeat59"][QUOTE="ramey70"][QUOTE="3picuri3"]Sony fanbois started to care about this crap and look where it got them.XaosII
The 360 is also a HD capable machine, in fact it may be better than the PS3 in terms of gaming HD. It's doing pretty well for them.

ps3 is the only true hd systhem thats a fact. ps3 has HDMI BLU ray and full 1080p. 360 only uses dvd just for that fact alone makes it not true hd cus u have to buy hd dvd. games will also be hurt by the lack of space on dvds



HD is just a change in resolution. Even the Wii can do HD as long as it it didnt use component cables. Did you need to buy a brand new computer to jumpt the resolution from 800 x 600 to a higher amount?

Wii cannot do HD. Get that one straight right now buddy.

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#29 Ontain
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[QUOTE="Ontain"][QUOTE="ramey70"]I've never gotten the knock on HD from Nintendo supporters. They can make a case that graphics aren't everything, which they aren't. But wouldn't it be nice if the Wii did support HD graphics? Would you really complain if it did?ramey70
of course not. but what would the price of the system cost and how would that effect what type of games come out. I believe that if the wii was the same price as the 360 with just slightly worse graphics it wouldn't sell as well as it is now.

That's a worthy arguement. But why the certain disdain for HD or the absurd notions that it's "isn't much of an upgrade" or how some people say it "isn't a noticeable difference". It seems some Nintendo supporters simply bash HD for the simple fact that the Wii doesn't have it. Why not just say "HD is awesome, and the Wii would be a better machine with it. However, the $250 price tag is nicer than having HD". Why are people so incapable of a rational position on this forum? (not saying you're one of those people).

As a pc gamer I know full well the importance of higher resolution. from 480p to 720 is a bug jump. though i see it as less difference every gen. games like God of War2 show us that there's quite a lot that can be done on 480p even with 7 year old hardware. was the jump to 720 needed yet? even though i have an HDTV i think it was just a little early. just look at the console prices. they blew up this gen. if they waited till next gen they would have hit the sweet spot for price, hdtv marketshare and development costs would be lower too. if the wii was 400 also then i think we really would have seen a large drop in the gaming market. as for the irrational positions. there are a ton of fanboys in this forum. god bless the internet ;)
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Why is creating a better graphics chip considered 'technological advancement', but creating a motion sensing controller is not? Is one technology more important than the other in your eyes???
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#31 Bread_or_Decide
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HD TV sales are doubling every year. You have to basically HUNT down SD TV's in most stores today. DVD players started out the same way. Sure their are plenty  more folks who have yet to own an HD TV but most people are planning on making it their NEXT Tv purchase. So this rise is going to hit a real boom VERY soon. Plus its a difference that you notice, not just in the HD but in the shape of the television sets. Movies can finally be watched in a theatrical fashion without black bars or with as little of it as possible depending on the aspect ratio. It expands your point of view in games. This is not a small leap, this is a huge step in televisions one that we haven't seen in a long long time. Its not far away either its already happening just look at the sales.

Quofan

DVD's, HD TV's, its all the same. They take advantage of morons who are obsessed with technology. The only reason that regular people are buying HD TV's is because they will be made standard, but not for a few years yet. I honestly didnt care (nor did many others) about DVD's either, but I was forced to invest  in them due to the fact they have replaced videosand thats how campanies make money. The only difference to me between DVD's and videos is the extra content. Thats about it. Its the companies who win in the end because they save money with selling a cheaper media format at a higher price.

Yeah because DVD didn't offer anything to the consumer right? Just smaller storage space, all movies available for purchase instead of renting or buying a VHS for 100 dollars. It didn't offer clear images, features, or films in their appropriate aspect ratio.

Hey...that computer your using..blah...just use a phone. You don't need it man. In fact..throw away everything in your house...you don't need it. Electricity? Fire is just as good man. Stop being such a technology whore.

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[QUOTE="XaosII"][QUOTE="deadmeat59"][QUOTE="ramey70"][QUOTE="3picuri3"]Sony fanbois started to care about this crap and look where it got them.Bread_or_Decide

The 360 is also a HD capable machine, in fact it may be better than the PS3 in terms of gaming HD. It's doing pretty well for them.

ps3 is the only true hd systhem thats a fact. ps3 has HDMI BLU ray and full 1080p. 360 only uses dvd just for that fact alone makes it not true hd cus u have to buy hd dvd. games will also be hurt by the lack of space on dvds



HD is just a change in resolution. Even the Wii can do HD as long as it it didnt use component cables. Did you need to buy a brand new computer to jumpt the resolution from 800 x 600 to a higher amount?

Wii cannot do HD. Get that one straight right now buddy.


It might be able to do 1080i if it was rendering a still picture... just.
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[QUOTE="Quofan"][QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"]

[QUOTE="3picuri3"]Sony fanbois started to care about this crap and look where it got them.Bread_or_Decide

But why so ANTI-technology? I figured  gamers would totally geek out at what all these features have to offer.

Thats becaused we are GAMERS and this is a gaming forum....not tech junkies who feel the need to show off all the money they spent on some nonsense like HD. Its arrogant posers and casuals like that the sheep dont like, and I kinda feel the same way.

Why is HD nonsense?  See this is what I am talking about...

Does a higher resolution make a game good? Does a higher resolution make a movie good? Does a high resolution do ANYTHING? Er, no.......it doesnt really.

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[QUOTE="HarlockJC"]

Most people don't own a HDTV....Why would someone want to pay a extra $200 for HD when they can't use the HD?

Nintendo knew that and made a system that everyone could afford

Hoobinator

Pity they forgot to cater to the avid / hardcore gamer and decided housewives were more important :|

Good grief, doesn't the PC, 360 and PS3 do this??? The Wii filled an important niche in the market and the more people that game, the more mainstream it becomes, the more money and games get released, thus benefitting all gamers!
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[QUOTE="HarlockJC"][QUOTE="Hoobinator"][QUOTE="HarlockJC"]

Most people don't own a HDTV....Why would someone want to pay a extra $200 for HD when they can't use the HD?

Nintendo knew that and made a system that everyone could afford

Hoobinator


Pity they forgot to cater to the avid / hardcore gamer and decided housewives were more important :|

So making Zelda, Mario, MP3, SPM and SSBM are not games games made for hardcore players has well has the housewives? I don't think someone can call them selfs hard core without playiing Zelda and Mario

Plus a true Hard Core gamer would have all three systems


Yeah that's great give us the 23rd (quite literally) iteration of these games, remember TP's biggest failings was it was too much of the same. Apart from MP3 and SSBM (maybe) it's a little been there done that. Compare that to the 360 and it has more games that cater to avid gamers coming out just this year.

Does it matter if Zelda plays to much like a Zelda game that got a 10......That not a reason for a gamer not too play Zelda....I am sorry a person can not call them self hard core with out beating the biggest games of all time which would start with Mario and be followed close by Zelda....Did you forget how many gave Zelda GOY maybe not gamespot but not everyone goes to Gamespot

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#36 Bread_or_Decide
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Why is creating a better graphics chip considered 'technological advancement', but creating a motion sensing controller is not? Is one technology more important than the other in your eyes??? NotThat_basic

I am arguing that if you are PRO-motion sensing. You should be pro- all other tech improvements.

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[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"]

[QUOTE="XaosII"][QUOTE="deadmeat59"][QUOTE="ramey70"][QUOTE="3picuri3"]Sony fanbois started to care about this crap and look where it got them.Hoobinator

The 360 is also a HD capable machine, in fact it may be better than the PS3 in terms of gaming HD. It's doing pretty well for them.

ps3 is the only true hd systhem thats a fact. ps3 has HDMI BLU ray and full 1080p. 360 only uses dvd just for that fact alone makes it not true hd cus u have to buy hd dvd. games will also be hurt by the lack of space on dvds



HD is just a change in resolution. Even the Wii can do HD as long as it it didnt use component cables. Did you need to buy a brand new computer to jumpt the resolution from 800 x 600 to a higher amount?

Wii cannot do HD. Get that one straight right now buddy.


It might be able to do 1080i if it was rendering a still picture... just.



It can do more than that. But it doubt it could do much more than Wii Sports in HD. HD is just a change in resolution. The Wii is perfectly capable of doing so. You wont get any games in HD, however. Just like the PS2 can do HD if it wanted to, but no games came out for it that did.

HD is just a change in resolution. Nothing more. Its not some amazing piece of magic.
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#38 Tylendal
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Most people don't own a HDTV....Why would someone want to pay a extra $200 for HD when they can't use the HD?

Nintendo knew that and made a system that everyone could afford

HarlockJC
This sums it up, and is the main reason that the Wii does not have HD. Personally, I don't want it to have HD.
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#39 Hoobinator
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[QUOTE="Hoobinator"][QUOTE="HarlockJC"][QUOTE="Hoobinator"][QUOTE="HarlockJC"]

Most people don't own a HDTV....Why would someone want to pay a extra $200 for HD when they can't use the HD?

Nintendo knew that and made a system that everyone could afford

HarlockJC


Pity they forgot to cater to the avid / hardcore gamer and decided housewives were more important :|

So making Zelda, Mario, MP3, SPM and SSBM are not games games made for hardcore players has well has the housewives? I don't think someone can call them selfs hard core without playiing Zelda and Mario

Plus a true Hard Core gamer would have all three systems


Yeah that's great give us the 23rd (quite literally) iteration of these games, remember TP's biggest failings was it was too much of the same. Apart from MP3 and SSBM (maybe) it's a little been there done that. Compare that to the 360 and it has more games that cater to avid gamers coming out just this year.

Does it matter if Zelda plays to much like a Zelda game that got a 10......That not a reason for a gamer not too play Zelda....I am sorry a person can not call them self hard core with out beating the biggest games of all time which would start with Mario and be followed close by Zelda....Did you forget how many gave Zelda GOY maybe not gamespot but not everyone goes to Gamespot


Half a dozen must have proper gaming titles over the Wii's life span, no thanks, not for me.
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#40 Bread_or_Decide
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[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"][QUOTE="Quofan"][QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"]

[QUOTE="3picuri3"]Sony fanbois started to care about this crap and look where it got them.Quofan

But why so ANTI-technology? I figured  gamers would totally geek out at what all these features have to offer.

Thats becaused we are GAMERS and this is a gaming forum....not tech junkies who feel the need to show off all the money they spent on some nonsense like HD. Its arrogant posers and casuals like that the sheep dont like, and I kinda feel the same way.

Why is HD nonsense?  See this is what I am talking about...

Does a higher resolution make a game good? Does a higher resolution make a movie good? Does a high resolution do ANYTHING? Er, no.......it doesnt really.

No but it makes games look better. It makes you feel like your home is a theatre when your watching a movie. The higher resolution makes it a pure joy just to look at which adds to the over all enjoyment.

Do you still make fire with a rock and sticks?

Your too far gone to be helped. I can't debate this with you if you are just going to act ignorant.

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#41 Blackbond
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They don't care about HD. They don't care about HDMI. They don't care about Blu Ray. They don't care about updates graphics. They don't care about online mutiplayer. They don't care about hard drives on consoles. They don't care about downloadable demos, trailers, or movies.

But they praise motion sensing.

Do they realize what the word...innovation reallly means?

Bread_or_Decide


HD, HDMI, and Blu-Ray aren't needed for gaming, they are just benificiaries.
They do care about online multiplayer becasue the most hyped Nintendo game SSBB has online multiplayer.
They don't care about Hardrives on consoles yet they still have internal storage.
They do care about downloadable Demo's because a Demo channel is in the workds
Trailers and movies have nothing to do with gaming.

You sound like you need a PC not a gaming machine.
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#42 enduin
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Its not anti-technology, its called priorities and definitions of value. Is HD and all those things worth it right now at these prices and costs of development, and do you hold new gameplay more important or less than graphical/computational power right now. To Nintendo and many other people HD and those other technologies may be around now but it does not mean they have to be used. Costs to Nintendo themselves in creating a machine on par with the 360 or PS3 is not profitable and it is not affordable for the mass market. We are sacrificing cutting edge hardware right now in favor of optimized last gen tech to explore a new form of gaming interaction and to help expand the industry beyond core gamers and into the acceptance of general society, on par with movies, books, or music. Nintendo wants gaming to be something that is socially acceptable and enjoyed by everyone, men or women, young or old. Cause frankly it will make them more money as well as it makes no sense to keep this media confined to a certain group. Next Gen, when these technologies coming out now have matured into their own, have become mass market and are established Nintendo has stated they will have an HD console. There isnt anything "wrong" with cutting edge systems, just differences of opinion. Anyone who disregards technologies outright is a fanboy and should be treated as such, be they against HD or the Wii-mote.
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Yeah, I'm kind of tired of the "graphics don't matter" stuff, too. Oh well, if they think ingorence is the way to go, so be it.
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#44 Tylendal
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[QUOTE="Quofan"][QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"][QUOTE="Quofan"][QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"]

[QUOTE="3picuri3"]Sony fanbois started to care about this crap and look where it got them.Bread_or_Decide

But why so ANTI-technology? I figured gamers would totally geek out at what all these features have to offer.

Thats becaused we are GAMERS and this is a gaming forum....not tech junkies who feel the need to show off all the money they spent on some nonsense like HD. Its arrogant posers and casuals like that the sheep dont like, and I kinda feel the same way.

Why is HD nonsense? See this is what I am talking about...

Does a higher resolution make a game good? Does a higher resolution make a movie good? Does a high resolution do ANYTHING? Er, no.......it doesnt really.

No but it makes games look better. It makes you feel like your home is a theatre when your watching a movie. The higher resolution makes it a pure joy just to look at which adds to the over all enjoyment.

Do you still make fire with a rock and sticks?

Your too far gone to be helped. I can't debate this with you if you are just going to act ignorant.

Same could be said of the 360s and PS3s poor or lacking motion control. IMO motion control adds more than improved graphics ever will.
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#45 Bread_or_Decide
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[QUOTE="HarlockJC"]

Most people don't own a HDTV....Why would someone want to pay a extra $200 for HD when they can't use the HD?

Nintendo knew that and made a system that everyone could afford

Tylendal

This sums it up, and is the main reason that the Wii does not have HD. Personally, I don't want it to have HD.

Well yeah its expensive but its getting cheaper all the time. Theirs an HD TV out there for almost any price range for people with some expendable income. But just because everyone doesn't have it doesn't make it cool or not necessary. Still thats not an excuse to dismiss it, Nintendo also said we didn't need CDs to play games...or online play...good thing the other companies thought differently. So I don't exactly trust Nintendo when they tell me I don't need HD until 5 years down the line. We are talking about the company that took...HOW long to add a back light to the gameboy?

But this isn't an anti-Nintendo thread. Its a PRO-HD thread. Quit hating just because now I can see your pores in crip clear clarity!

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#46 GunSmith1_basic
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we sheep are just defensive because of all those people that say that the wii is trash just because it isn't much of a graphical improvement. The wii would not sell if that was true. The wii appeals to everyone, including hardcores, for good reason. Graphics are overrated, btw, and any system that uses graphics as its selling point will be doomed to obscurity once tech improves. Having said that, yes, i wish the wii was as powerful as the other consoles. If it was, this would be one of the shortest system wars in history. admit that and we can move on
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#47 NotThat_basic
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[QUOTE="NotThat_basic"]Why is creating a better graphics chip considered 'technological advancement', but creating a motion sensing controller is not? Is one technology more important than the other in your eyes??? Bread_or_Decide

I am arguing that if you are PRO-motion sensing. You should be pro- all other tech improvements.

No - you're arguing that if you are pro-motion-sensing, you have to want everything else in your console as well. And, I'm telling you that I'm willing to sacrifice one for the other. Would I prefer having it all? Of course - and I don't think there is a single person in here that would disagree...    ...but at what cost? $600???? :lol:

No thanks - I'm happy having technological advances in the controller first and I'll take graphical enhancements in the Wii 2 when the cost is more appropriate...

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#48 jbrittain
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Listen up, TC. I'm not sure why you assume that Nintendo fans don't like good graphics. You know what you do when you assume right? Anyways, yes I like good graphics. I have an HDTV and I wish that the Wii supported 720p and 1080i. Here's the thing though... Nintendo didn't offer us that. Instead we have the Wii remote and this whole new motion sensing thing. Guess what else? It works, and it's fun.

So yes, while I do like good graphics and HD.. I am able to ignore it on the Wii because the uniqueness of its gameplay more than makes up for its graphical shortcomings. I'd love to have both the graphics and new gameplay, but unfortunately I don't run Nintendo and I can't make them do that.
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#49 Tylendal
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Yeah, I'm kind of tired of the "graphics don't matter" stuff, too. Oh well, if they think ingorence is the way to go, so be it.
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Graphics DO matter. It's only the Cows and Lemming that say "graphics don't matter". What is true is that graphics don't matter as much as gameplay, but they still matter.
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#50 Hoobinator
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[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"][QUOTE="Quofan"][QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"][QUOTE="Quofan"][QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"]

[QUOTE="3picuri3"]Sony fanbois started to care about this crap and look where it got them.Tylendal

But why so ANTI-technology? I figured gamers would totally geek out at what all these features have to offer.

Thats becaused we are GAMERS and this is a gaming forum....not tech junkies who feel the need to show off all the money they spent on some nonsense like HD. Its arrogant posers and casuals like that the sheep dont like, and I kinda feel the same way.

Why is HD nonsense? See this is what I am talking about...

Does a higher resolution make a game good? Does a higher resolution make a movie good? Does a high resolution do ANYTHING? Er, no.......it doesnt really.

No but it makes games look better. It makes you feel like your home is a theatre when your watching a movie. The higher resolution makes it a pure joy just to look at which adds to the over all enjoyment.

Do you still make fire with a rock and sticks?

Your too far gone to be helped. I can't debate this with you if you are just going to act ignorant.

Same could be said of the 360s and PS3s poor or lacking motion control. IMO motion control adds more than improved graphics ever will.


Tell that to huge rendered worlds like Oblivion, or fantastically believable gameplay like in Bioshock or Mass Effect. But of course waving your arm around to falsely mimic a sword is making a game lots better.