why Blue dragon flopped! Is it a double standard?

It was a game hyped as AAA or AA got a 7.9/10 on ign. When i played this game, it was actuall pretty good and i could certainly see why this game became a system seller in japan. Famitsu gave this game a 37/40 and they are tough critics. I expected a good AA review from ign but this never came and the gamespot SW boardbecame an inferno.

I came to a conclusion that maybe there is a flaw in the way westerners review games. How can a game that became a swashbuckling sucess in japan be so hated here? The answer is because this is a game suitedfor the japanese audience and westerners look at it as another turn-based game. But now another question haunts me, should a game be penilized just because it appeals to a different audience? because if it does, there will be a double standard in game reviews as japanese games will be looked down upon here and western games will be looked down upon there. This will create further rifts between the gaming world, a unhealthy thing for the industry.

Has the industry become too big for just one standard in reviews or are reviewers letting their own frame of reference cloud their judgement?

no it snot that its called that we have very different cultures something thats a smash hit in japan has a very small chance of being a hit in america and other parts of the worldGen007

which is why I expect hot shots golf 5 to sell like crap here....

and blue dragon hasn't flopped until GS scores it. And it's hyped AA

[QUOTE="Gen007"]no it snot that its called that we have very different cultures something thats a smash hit in japan has a very small chance of being a hit in america and other parts of the worldkillaj2786

which is why I expect hot shots golf 5 to sell like crap here....

and blue dragon hasn't flopped until GS scores it. And it's hyped AA

i didnt say everything would sell bad it just most stuff dosent do anything special

same goes for western games there at japan.

Eastern games=flops in the west
Western=Flops in the east

excluding FF and couple other games that have been a hit in every territory

It was a game hyped as AAA or AA got a 7.9/10 on ign. When i played this game, it was actuall pretty good and i could certainly see why this game became a system seller in japan. Famitsu gave this game a 37/40 and they are tough critics. I expected a good AA review from ign but this never came and the gamespot SW boardbecame an inferno.

I came to a conclusion that maybe there is a flaw in the way westerners review games. How can a game that became a swashbuckling sucess in japan be so hated here? The answer is because this is a game suitedfor the japanese audience and westerners look at it as another turn-based game. But now another question haunts me, should a game be penilized just because it appeals to a different audience? because if it does, there will be a double standard in game reviews as japanese games will be looked down upon here and western games will be looked down upon there. This will create further rifts between the gaming world, a unhealthy thing for the industry.

Has the industry become too big for just one standard in reviews or are reviewers letting their own frame of reference cloud their judgement?

elite_ferns1

7.9 is not a bad score, it's a good score. I'm buying the game regardless what any critic says. I enjoyed the demo.

I don't care what score IGN game it. I'm still going to get a copy of Blue Dragon when it's released. I don't think this game was officially hyped as "AAA" here. I still think the game will sell pretty well.blackace

It was hyped a FF killer or the FF for the 360 and was supposed to be the savior for the 360 in Japan. Overall it wasnt much of a system seller but the game sold well.

I do respect that fact that you dont allow scores to affect your purchase, I am the same way, but BD was hyped AAA easily.

Blue Dragon didn't flop. It has been hyped AA and Gamespot hasn't reviewed it yet.BioShockOwnz

I don't care what score IGN game it. I'm still going to get a copy of Blue Dragon when it's released. I don't think this game was officially hyped as "AAA" here. I still think the game will sell pretty well.blackace

Blue Dragon didn't flop. It has been hyped AA and Gamespot hasn't reviewed it yet.BioShockOwnz

It hasn't flopped. :|

Why do people ALWAYS do this. OMG some people are so stupid.

[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]Blue Dragon didn't flop. It has been hyped AA and Gamespot hasn't reviewed it yet.GARRYTH

[QUOTE="GARRYTH"][QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]Blue Dragon didn't flop. It has been hyped AA and Gamespot hasn't reviewed it yet.Ibacai

Blue Dragon didn't flop. It has been hyped AA and Gamespot hasn't reviewed it yet.BioShockOwnz

I love how lemmings willsay this about their games, but when it comes to games like Lair one bad score flops it.

[QUOTE="blackace"]I don't care what score IGN game it. I'm still going to get a copy of Blue Dragon when it's released. I don't think this game was officially hyped as "AAA" here. I still think the game will sell pretty well.Javy03

It was hyped a FF killer or the FF for the 360 and was supposed to be the savior for the 360 in Japan. Overall it wasnt much of a system seller but the game sold well.

I do respect that fact that you dont allow scores to affect your purchase, I am the same way, but BD was hyped AAA easily.

who the hell hyped this FF killer? savior for the 360 in japan? what the heck thats unrealistic and no one game can ever do that who ever said both of those things was stupid. btw no one is hyping lost odyssey ff killer either i made a thread in the lost odyssey boards that asks that question and no one is hyping it as ff killer.

the officail hupe thread for blue dragon was AA deal with it.

Blue Dragon didn't flop. It has been hyped AA and Gamespot hasn't reviewed it yet.BioShockOwnz

i dont know man im thinking itll be A, and hows bioshock.

It was a game hyped as AAA or AA got a 7.9/10 on ign. When i played this game, it was actuall pretty good and i could certainly see why this game became a system seller in japan. Famitsu gave this game a 37/40 and they are tough critics. I expected a good AA review from ign but this never came and the gamespot SW boardbecame an inferno.

I came to a conclusion that maybe there is a flaw in the way westerners review games. How can a game that became a swashbuckling sucess in japan be so hated here? The answer is because this is a game suitedfor the japanese audience and westerners look at it as another turn-based game. But now another question haunts me, should a game be penilized just because it appeals to a different audience? because if it does, there will be a double standard in game reviews as japanese games will be looked down upon here and western games will be looked down upon there. This will create further rifts between the gaming world, a unhealthy thing for the industry.

Has the industry become too big for just one standard in reviews or are reviewers letting their own frame of reference cloud their judgement?

elite_ferns1

Tough critics? They gave Red steel a 32/40

[QUOTE="blackace"]I don't care what score IGN game it. I'm still going to get a copy of Blue Dragon when it's released. I don't think this game was officially hyped as "AAA" here. I still think the game will sell pretty well.GARRYTH

sorry to interupt but according to wikipedia, wii is the most reliable system.

[QUOTE="blackace"]I don't care what score IGN game it. I'm still going to get a copy of Blue Dragon when it's released. I don't think this game was officially hyped as "AAA" here. I still think the game will sell pretty well.Javy03

It was hyped a FF killer or the FF for the 360 and was supposed to be the savior for the 360 in Japan. Overall it wasnt much of a system seller but the game sold well.

I do respect that fact that you dont allow scores to affect your purchase, I am the same way, but BD was hyped AAA easily.

It was hyped AAA til I believe right before the japanese release when we started seeing gameplay....and that AAA hype endedreal quick. Hell wasn't Lair hyped like it was the greatest thing on earth,a nd then cows went bak about a month ago 9 ironically right before the EGM review) and said it was AA?

[QUOTE="Ibacai"][QUOTE="GARRYTH"][QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]Blue Dragon didn't flop. It has been hyped AA and Gamespot hasn't reviewed it yet.GARRYTH

[QUOTE="Ibacai"][QUOTE="GARRYTH"][QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]Blue Dragon didn't flop. It has been hyped AA and Gamespot hasn't reviewed it yet.GARRYTH

Maybe cuz he likes the game? Ever thought of that. It's not a 360 exclusive u know.So all hermits who like Bioshock now are lemmings :|

[QUOTE="GARRYTH"][QUOTE="blackace"]I don't care what score IGN game it. I'm still going to get a copy of Blue Dragon when it's released. I don't think this game was officially hyped as "AAA" here. I still think the game will sell pretty well.elite_ferns1

sorry to interupt but according to wikipedia, wii is the most reliable system.

[QUOTE="GARRYTH"][QUOTE="Ibacai"][QUOTE="GARRYTH"][QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]Ibacai

Thanks for sticking up for me. It's much appreciated. :)

Anyways, why does liking a 360 game make me a lemming and why would disliking a PS3 game make me a lemming. I have tastes, I can't like every damn game on every console, so therefore I am not going to hype every game, be it a 360, PS3, Wii, or PC game. I think Uncharted, Lair, UTIII, and Heavenly Sword all look great, and I'll buy every single one, but most likely get UTIII on PC. I am not a lemming. I am a gamer. I like and dislike things on every console. That doesn't make me a fanboy. That makes me honest.

Double standard? Not really.

Infamous JRPG games such as Growlanser (ps2) still managed to get AA both at gamespot and IGN, so I wouldn't say reviewers are biased just because they flop Blue Dragon.

Famitsu isn't trustworthy when talking about game scores anyway. Nintendog & FFXII got 40/40....

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7.9 was higher than I expected actually... well, it is IGN.

Double standard? Not really.

Infamous JRPG games such as Growlanser (ps2) still managed to get AA both at gamespot and IGN, so I wouldn't say reviewers are biased just because they flop Blue Dragon.

Famitsu isn't trustworthy when talking about game scores anyway. Nintendog & FFXII got 40/40....

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7.9 was higher than I expected actually... well, it is IGN.

ghostofzabis

The same IGN that gave KH2 a 8.7......yea...i'll take the BD claim with a grain of salt.

The demo was awsome IMOProductNumber49

In your opinion any exclusive game on the 360 is awesome.

[QUOTE="blackace"]I don't care what score IGN game it. I'm still going to get a copy of Blue Dragon when it's released. I don't think this game was officially hyped as "AAA" here. I still think the game will sell pretty well.Javy03

It was hyped a FF killer or the FF for the 360 and was supposed to be the savior for the 360 in Japan. Overall it wasnt much of a system seller but the game sold well.

I do respect that fact that you dont allow scores to affect your purchase, I am the same way, but BD was hyped AAA easily.

It was not hype as a FF killer. Not sure where you heard that from. Blue Dragon was hyped as "AA" on these forums. Many people believe that Lost Odyssey will be a better game.

[QUOTE="Javy03"]

[QUOTE="blackace"]I don't care what score IGN game it. I'm still going to get a copy of Blue Dragon when it's released. I don't think this game was officially hyped as "AAA" here. I still think the game will sell pretty well.blackace

It was hyped a FF killer or the FF for the 360 and was supposed to be the savior for the 360 in Japan. Overall it wasnt much of a system seller but the game sold well.

I do respect that fact that you dont allow scores to affect your purchase, I am the same way, but BD was hyped AAA easily.

It was not hype as a FF killer. Not sure where you heard that from. Blue Dragon was hyped as "AA" on these forums. Many people believe that Lost Odyssey will be a better game.

You know that not everyone has to like Blue Dragon. Besides, one would expect more from next gen RPG's then a simple turn based combatsystem, a lot of gamers want new ideas and not rehashes. Some people like to whine about Final Fantasy 12 having a battle system yet it is a helluva lot better then playing turn based which have gotten old. Blue Dragon is no exception and gets the scores it deserves, just cause it didok inJapan (and not even being a million seller is terrible for JRPG's in Japan) review wise, not everyone outside of that country is going to like it, much like people in Korea do not like other RTS's as much as they like StarCraft.

What would have happened if Blue Dragon had come out on the PS3? It would have sold more but in reality it would still have scored the same because reviews are all based on other games on the market that compete against eachother. Of course there are exceptions to the rule like trying to compareMetroid to Unreal Tournament or Halo because those games while arein similar genrs, they are different games overall. And BD was being compared to franchises like Final Fantasy and Dragon Quest in terms of quality no doubt and not every Final Fantasy game sells extremely well or gets great reviews in Japan, as has been the case with FF12: Revenant Wings for the DS which is a good game but not nearly as good as other FF titles.

Then explain to me, how did Dragon Quest VIII get AAA?Dencore

Blu dragon flopped because its way to simplistic, kiddy, lame and corny.bri360

[QUOTE="bri360"]Blu dragon flopped because its way to simplistic, kiddy, lame and corny.briguyb13

:lol:

[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]Blue Dragon didn't flop. It has been hyped AA and Gamespot hasn't reviewed it yet.GARRYTH

Blue Dragon Hyped AA (80% UP) Scores 79% At IGN. Barely not meeting it's hype at all. Plus not all lemmings were hyping this only a few JRPG lovers. Every Cow and their brother were hyping Lair/Warhawk. You can even still find threads in the PS3 sectionthreads. Go look for Blue Dragon threads in the Xbox section. Much differenet than the mostly AAA hype of Lair/Warhawk this "IT WAS ONLY HYPED AA" talk is BS IMO. Cows big 3 were Lair, Warhawk, and Heavenly Sword. Go look back in any threads for the last two years. People were showing the two dragons fighting in Lair and say it looked better than anything even Gears. Those two games were hyped to the moon and back. PSM even scored both games low 5.0/6.5 that is pretty credible source considering they only review PS games and are more biased towards PS.

[QUOTE="briguyb13"][QUOTE="bri360"]Blu dragon flopped because its way to simplistic, kiddy, lame and corny.BioShockOwnz

:lol:

That was some good ownage myfriend but the non edited or dubbed naruto is not that kiddy at all but still..

I aprove that ownage 100%

[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]

[QUOTE="briguyb13"][QUOTE="bri360"]Blu dragon flopped because its way to simplistic, kiddy, lame and corny.WarTime71

:lol:

That was some good ownage myfriend but the non edited or dubbed naruto is not that kiddy at all but still..

I aprove that ownage 100%

wow are you kidding me. even naruto subbed with the original japanese is the most kiddy stupid repetetive show in the world.