Why can't it just be about how good GAMES are? Are sales really more important?

Seriously WHY is there so much talk about sales of games? If a game doesn't sell X amount, it's a "flop". It was hyped, so it should've sold X amount in X timeframe, or it's a flop. :| Are sales really this important? People should just enjoy the games, and stop worrying about how well they're selling.

This is just my opinion, but tbh, I think KZ2 is NOT a failure. Why? Simple, IT'S A AAA GAME! No one can dispute that. It was expected to be a failure based on the mediocre scores Killzone got, but it didn't, and scored AAA here on Gamespot, and had an average AAA score (92/100 on Metacritic)

It's sold 1 million copies worldwide now since it came out, and people act like that's bad? How exactly is that bad, anyway? :?

Seriously WHY is there so much talk about sales of games? If a game doesn't sell X amount, it's a "flop". It was hyped, so it should've sold X amount in X timeframe, or it's a flop. :| Are sales really this important? People should just enjoy the games, and stop worrying about how well they're selling.

This is just my opinion, but tbh, I think KZ2 is NOT a failure. Why? Simple, IT'S A AAA GAME! No one can dispute that. It was expected to be a failure based on the mediocre scores Killzone got, but it didn't, and scored AAA here on Gamespot, and had an average AAA score (92/100 on Metacritic)

It's sold 1 million copies worldwide now since it came out, and people act like that's bad? How exactly is that bad, anyway? :?

Doolz2024

Hiding behind SALES wont change 6.5

IF WE WANT TO TALK SALES, Wii Fit wins. /EndThread

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If fanboys cannot attack a games score, they will attack it's sales.

Recent Victims :

Too Human, MGS4, Banjo, LBP, Resistance 2, Madworld.

So, remember, The fanboy's WOULD LOVE for the game to flop (not meet Hype), but the secondary option is to attack sales.

No it didn't flop, but seriously enough with the damage control..Dr_Snood

:PWe all love good games and think they are most important but sales matter to me as a gamer. Watching smal devs fail sales wise makes me sad or great unique games like Zack and Wiki sell so little that there chance for a sequel is next to zero. I think sales matter a lot but not when it is just about claiming ownage or whether game a will sell 20 million units. That's just a waste of my time and is irrelevant to mostt people and companies. (well except the company on the receiving end )

[QUOTE="Doolz2024"]

Seriously WHY is there so much talk about sales of games? If a game doesn't sell X amount, it's a "flop". It was hyped, so it should've sold X amount in X timeframe, or it's a flop. :| Are sales really this important? People should just enjoy the games, and stop worrying about how well they're selling.

This is just my opinion, but tbh, I think KZ2 is NOT a failure. Why? Simple, IT'S A AAA GAME! No one can dispute that. It was expected to be a failure based on the mediocre scores Killzone got, but it didn't, and scored AAA here on Gamespot, and had an average AAA score (92/100 on Metacritic)

It's sold 1 million copies worldwide now since it came out, and people act like that's bad? How exactly is that bad, anyway? :?

Lem-Risen

[QUOTE="Lem-Risen"][QUOTE="Doolz2024"]

Seriously WHY is there so much talk about sales of games? If a game doesn't sell X amount, it's a "flop". It was hyped, so it should've sold X amount in X timeframe, or it's a flop. :| Are sales really this important? People should just enjoy the games, and stop worrying about how well they're selling.

This is just my opinion, but tbh, I think KZ2 is NOT a failure. Why? Simple, IT'S A AAA GAME! No one can dispute that. It was expected to be a failure based on the mediocre scores Killzone got, but it didn't, and scored AAA here on Gamespot, and had an average AAA score (92/100 on Metacritic)

It's sold 1 million copies worldwide now since it came out, and people act like that's bad? How exactly is that bad, anyway? :?

Rhubarb9

basically it's the only weapon lemmings have agains't cows if I only had a 360 and envied killzone 2 andall PS3 games and knew 09 had no games for my system id be madtoo and using any weapon against cows.

if they don't have ammunition in system wars there is no WAR.

Obviously, popularity directly correlates to quality. Which is why Wii Fit is the best game ever made.

basically it's the only weapon lemmings have agains't cows if I only had a 360 and envied killzone 2 andall PS3 games and knew 09 had no games for my system id be madtoo and using any weapon against cows.

if they don't have ammunition in system wars there is no WAR.

mgsfan1189

I'm not a lemming and I think sales are important so where does that put me?

It's SW. What do you expect?

Obviously, popularity directly correlates to quality. Which is why Wii Fit is the best game ever made.

foxhound_fox

basically it's the only weapon lemmings have agains't cows if I only had a 360 and envied killzone 2 andall PS3 games and knew 09 had no games for my system id be madtoo and using any weapon against cows.

if they don't have ammunition in system wars there is no WAR.

mgsfan1189

Seriously WHY is there so much talk about sales of games? If a game doesn't sell X amount, it's a "flop". It was hyped, so it should've sold X amount in X timeframe, or it's a flop. :| Are sales really this important? People should just enjoy the games, and stop worrying about how well they're selling.

This is just my opinion, but tbh, I think KZ2 is NOT a failure. Why? Simple, IT'S A AAA GAME! No one can dispute that. It was expected to be a failure based on the mediocre scores Killzone got, but it didn't, and scored AAA here on Gamespot, and had an average AAA score (92/100 on Metacritic)

It's sold 1 million copies worldwide now since it came out, and people act like that's bad? How exactly is that bad, anyway? :?

Doolz2024

Obviously, popularity directly correlates to quality. Which is why Wii Fit is the best game ever made.

foxhound_fox

This is system wars, we talk about all aspects related to the consoles and gaming. If something is an advantage to one console than you can bet you'll here about it.

Sales are good to discuss, im starting to hate how now any discussion regarding sales results with a "I play games not sales fool" response (a little throw back to the Nintendo doesnt make games only publish them fool quote :))

When it comes to flopping, sales don't matter at all.

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]

Obviously, popularity directly correlates to quality. Which is why Wii Fit is the best game ever made.

Doolz2024

Wow... the fact that you even considered he was serious.. just wow.

of course sales shouldn't affect personal enjoyment. everyone knows that.

sales do affect what games are made in the future. that is the major factor in what the industry looks like in the near to mid range future. as long as the producers of games want to be compensated for their work, then sales will continue to matter.

This is system wars, we talk about all aspects related to the consoles and gaming. If something is an advantage to one console than you can bet you'll here about it.

Sales are good to discuss, im starting to hate how now any discussion regarding sales results with a "I play games not sales fool" response (a little throw back to the Nintendo doesnt make games only publish them fool quote :))

shutdown_202

[QUOTE="mgsfan1189"]

basically it's the only weapon lemmings have agains't cows if I only had a 360 and envied killzone 2 andall PS3 games and knew 09 had no games for my system id be madtoo and using any weapon against cows.

if they don't have ammunition in system wars there is no WAR.

ActicEdge

I'm not a lemming and I think sales are important so where does that put me?

There are no gray areas in SW!

You are a lemming!

[QUOTE="Doolz2024"][QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]

Obviously, popularity directly correlates to quality. Which is why Wii Fit is the best game ever made.

shutdown_202

Wow... the fact that you even considered he was serious.. just wow.

[QUOTE="mgsfan1189"]

basically it's the only weapon lemmings have agains't cows if I only had a 360 and envied killzone 2 andall PS3 games and knew 09 had no games for my system id be madtoo and using any weapon against cows.

if they don't have ammunition in system wars there is no WAR.

Lem-Risen

this is gamespot not metacritic and if you wanna use metacritic isn't Little Big Planet pwning all 360 games over there ?

[QUOTE="Lem-Risen"][QUOTE="mgsfan1189"]

basically it's the only weapon lemmings have agains't cows if I only had a 360 and envied killzone 2 andall PS3 games and knew 09 had no games for my system id be madtoo and using any weapon against cows.

if they don't have ammunition in system wars there is no WAR.

mgsfan1189

this is gamespot not metacritic and if you wanna use metacritic isn't Little Big Planet pwning all 360 games over there ?

Cows thought sales were important last gen................now they dont matter? I wonder what happened that would make them do a 180 on their thinking???????Lem-Risen

likewise lemmings thought games were important not salez last gen this gen lemmings don't care about games.

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

[QUOTE="mgsfan1189"]

basically it's the only weapon lemmings have agains't cows if I only had a 360 and envied killzone 2 andall PS3 games and knew 09 had no games for my system id be madtoo and using any weapon against cows.

if they don't have ammunition in system wars there is no WAR.

Silverbond

I'm not a lemming and I think sales are important so where does that put me?

There are no gray areas in SW!

You are a lemming!

Damn it, I was hoping I could slip through the cracks. Oh noes, what am I going to do Silver? :shock: :P

[QUOTE="mgsfan1189"]

[QUOTE="Lem-Risen"] http://www.metacritic.com/games/xbox360/scores/ 20 games 90%+, 118 games 80 - 89%, 163 games 70-79% http://www.metacritic.com/games/ps3/scores/ 12 PS3 games 90%+, 85 games 80 - 89%, 91 games 70-79% Hat to break it to you. Lem-Risen

this is gamespot not metacritic and if you wanna use metacritic isn't Little Big Planet pwning all 360 games over there ?

GS is used in MC, but MC is not used in GS.

Metacritic has no relevance in the world of SW.

KZ2 will be a sales failure if it fails to recoup its dev costs (most games and movies are failures)

it would be helpful to know what sales KZ2 has to have to break even. my guess its above a mil. wait, wasnt there a report that said kz2 had the largest budget of any game ever? does anybosy know the answers to these questions?

[QUOTE="Lem-Risen"]Cows thought sales were important last gen................now they dont matter? I wonder what happened that would make them do a 180 on their thinking???????mgsfan1189

likewise lemmings thought games were important not salez last gen this gen lemmings don't care about games.

[QUOTE="Rhubarb9"]

[QUOTE="Lem-Risen"] Sales is for bragging rights for fanboys, thats it. KZ2 didnt beat Halo Wars, and is embarassing when compared to its 360 counterpart, Halo 3. Its a success on its own, but when comapred to what 360 has and its expectations, its a flop. Lem-Risen

[QUOTE="Lem-Risen"][QUOTE="mgsfan1189"]

this is gamespot not metacritic and if you wanna use metacritic isn't Little Big Planet pwning all 360 games over there ?

Silverbond

GS is used in MC, but MC is not used in GS.

Metacritic has no relevance in the world of SW.

[QUOTE="Lem-Risen"][QUOTE="Rhubarb9"]

KZ2 beat halo wars worldwide.

imprezawrx500

[QUOTE="Silverbond"]

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

I'm not a lemming and I think sales are important so where does that put me?

ActicEdge

There are no gray areas in SW!

You are a lemming!

Damn it, I was hoping I could slip through the cracks. Oh noes, what am I going to do Silver? :shock: :P

You could always run for lemming president. :P

[QUOTE="imprezawrx500"]

[QUOTE="Lem-Risen"] a AAA, 4 year hyped fps barely beat out a console rts. congrats :lol: Halo 3 compared to KZ2..........Lem-Risen

Oh, wow. Isn't this system wars?

Metacritic has no relevance in the world of SW.Silverbond

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

[QUOTE="Silverbond"]

There are no gray areas in SW!

You are a lemming!

Silverbond

Damn it, I was hoping I could slip through the cracks. Oh noes, what am I going to do Silver? :shock: :P

You could always run for lemming president. :P

I don't know, the several reincarnation of our faithful GhostMLD might have that position taken. Or does he? (shifty eyes)

[QUOTE="Lem-Risen"][QUOTE="imprezawrx500"] ok then counter strike is still the most played online game and has sold more than halo.

Silverbond

Oh, wow. Isn't this system wars?

This is getting silly. People will adhere to what ever arguments give them the edge in here. We are all gamers here no matter how annoying some of us can be, but this....mewling, whiny "why do sales matter" nonsense needs to stop, right now. This isn't neccesarily directed at the TC but there have been a lot of weird posts tonight about sales not mattering.

When the PS2 was dominating it was about the sales. WHY? Because the sales is supposed to be what developers look at when deciding to develop games for your console.

The Wii is dominating now and the sheep use sales to bolster their arguments and they have every right to do so.

EVERYTIME the PS3 outsells the 360 in Japan, IT IS TALKED ABOUT HERE. Even when we all know that was a forgone conclusion from the very beginning of this gen.

Suck it up.

if i was a game developer i would want my game to not only be a critical success but also a commercial success and in order to continue to make quality games they need funds from the quanitity sold

[QUOTE="Silverbond"]

[QUOTE="Lem-Risen"] This is 360 vs PS3. Any hermit arguments will be ignored. Lem-Risen

Oh, wow. Isn't this system wars?

Yeah, but it proves its point. Wonder where I got that from?

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

[QUOTE="Silverbond"]

You could always run for lemming president. :P

Lem-Risen

I don't know, the several reincarnation of our faithful GhostMLD might have that position taken. Or does he? (shifty eyes)

Why are you responding? I never mentioned you or even hinted at you in my post. You are a new poster, how would you even know who GhostMLD is?