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#1 slarkyslark
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Optimization. The only reason PC trashes consoles today is because optimization can only go so far, and that consoles are released every 5+ years which age them horribly. Example: Find me a PC built in November 2005 that can come close to the graphics of this . http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MouHr9D8ud8 . or this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwywuVzrJTg . No pc built in Nov 05 comes close, as we know the 360 and ps3 run on 2005 hardware. So we see that the console platform is much better for gaming, since devs can optimize games for specific hardware. But since consoles take so long to release the next system, pc demolishes them. So what do I propose? Release a new system, at the same price, every year. This way, devs can have the latest hardware AND optimize that hardware. PC gaming couldnt touch that combo.
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#2 TrapJak
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Your'e comparing 2005 hardware to a 2011 game?

Are you ok?

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Optimization. The only reason PC trashes consoles today is because optimization can only go so far, and that consoles are released every 5+ years which age them horribly. Example: Find me a PC built in November 2005 that can come close to the graphics of this . http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MouHr9D8ud8 . or this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwywuVzrJTg . No pc built in Nov 05 comes close So we see that the console platform is much better for gaming, since devs can optimize games for specific hardware. But since consoles take so long to release the next system, pc demolishes them. So what do I propose? Release a new system, at the same price, every year. This way, devs can have the latest hardware AND optimize that hardware. PC gaming couldnt touch that combo.slarkyslark

Lol, find me a ps3/xbox game that came out 2005-2006 that can compare to a pc 2005 game, Ha!

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#4 CaseyWegner
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did you mean "could be" instead of "are"?

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#5 GeneralShowzer
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Good thing my PC is not from 2005 i guess.
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#6 Inconsistancy
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So... they can optimize it better, since the hardware is static, but it still manages to look worse than the less optimized pc games do to the sheer difference in power. I don't see why Optimization = better game, all it means is more work to get it to run in the first place.

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#7 millerlight89
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Show me a console that can play this

See, I can play that game too.

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#8 slarkyslark
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So... they can optimize it better, since the hardware is static, but it still manages to look worse than the less optimized pc games do to the sheer difference in power. I don't see why Optimization = better game, all it means is more work to get it to run in the first place.Inconsistancy
I already noted that the sheer power of pcs still crush optimized console games. Thats why I proposed a new business model for consoles to remedy this
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#9 Inconsistancy
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[QUOTE="Inconsistancy"]So... they can optimize it better, since the hardware is static, but it still manages to look worse than the less optimized pc games do to the sheer difference in power. I don't see why Optimization = better game, all it means is more work to get it to run in the first place.slarkyslark
I already noted that the sheer power of pcs still crush optimized console games. Thats why I proposed a new business model for consoles to remedy this

"This way, devs can have the latest hardware AND optimize that hardware. PC gaming couldnt touch that combo."

That's moronic, that would put console manufactures out of business, look at Sega, they tried to release hardware too often, and they burned for it. And it takes YEARS and YEARS to get that amazing optimization that you cite in the GEOW3/UC3 games, look at the initial releases from '05/'06 respectively, no where near as good.

What you want them to do, is exactly what it would be like to optimize for pc, 'cept that would kill the console industry, no installation, too expensive.

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#10 millerlight89
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[QUOTE="slarkyslark"] So what do I propose? Release a new system, at the same price, every year. This way, devs can have the latest hardware AND optimize that hardware. PC gaming couldnt touch that combo.

Yes brilliant plan. I thought console was supposed to be teh cheap :?
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#11 Zurrur
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PC is superior to consoles in every way but

Too bad it doesn't have games anymore :(

All great games nowdays are console exclusive

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#12 millerlight89
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PC is superior to consoles in every way but

Too bad it doesn't have games anymore :(

All great games nowdays are console exclusive

Zurrur
Hm that's funny, because it isn't true :lol:
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#13 AvatarMan96
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All great games nowdays are console exclusiveZurrur

I'm no PC gamer, yet I know that isn't necessarily true ;)

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[QUOTE="Inconsistancy"]So... they can optimize it better, since the hardware is static, but it still manages to look worse than the less optimized pc games do to the sheer difference in power. I don't see why Optimization = better game, all it means is more work to get it to run in the first place.slarkyslark
I already noted that the sheer power of pcs still crush optimized console games. Thats why I proposed a new business model for consoles to remedy this

You are comparing hardware and software at the sametime. The developement of games have phenomenally increased from past decade. Games from 2011 are designed to take full potential of the graphical power PC has. PC's are better in terms of processing power, graphical power etc over consoles anytime. You must be living in caves if you didn't know this.
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#16 hypoty
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Anti-PC brigade is wound up a bit too tight tonight.

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#17 harshv82
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Anti-PC brigade is wound up a bit too tight tonight.

hypoty

haha looks like it. :lol: But it's just the one guy

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#18 James161324
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1080p, 60 fps, games consoles can only dream of

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#19 edidili
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No pc built in Nov 05 comes close, as we know the 360 and ps3 run on 2005 hardware. slarkyslark

Well that's the beauty of it, as a PC gamer I'm not stuck in 2005.

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#20 NoodleFighter
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I'd rather move onto new hardware to allow for more advance games then to stick with old hardware and consoles were released in 2006/7 :roll: show me a console that can do Crysis or Metro 2033 maxed out.

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#21 NoodleFighter
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Optimization ain't some magicbro if you think it will get you things like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zhS4DuML5Qthen you have been fooled by all the prebaked goodies and what nots in your games.

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#22 AdrianWerner
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. This way, devs can have the latest hardware AND optimize that hardware. PC gaming couldnt touch that combo.slarkyslark
This way you would be stuck with launch games-level forever. Because devs would never have enough time to truly learn the new consoles hardware and to squeeze every ounce of power out of them.

Not to mention it would put MS and Sony out of business.

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#23 AdobeArtist  Moderator
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So what do I propose? Release a new system, at the same price, every year. This way, devs can have the latest hardware AND optimize that hardware. PC gaming couldnt touch that combo.slarkyslark

Youi seriously expect cunsumers to shell out $300-$400 every year, and to justify that kind of purches knowing in advance that what they buy will only be useful for 1 year?? :|

What the HELL is this.... I don't even... :?:?:?:?

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#24 lowe0
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There really isn't a single superior gaming platform. It's whatever works for you. That said, introducing new hardware every year is entirely contradictory to optimizing for existing hardware.
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#25 gmaster456
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Is it that time of the week again? I love PC troll threads.
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#26 Vesica_Prime
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I remember when these threads actually had effort put into them.

0/10.

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#27 osan0
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so the consoles are better because the games on them are compromised technically (and they are compromised...make no mistake on that) and the solution to that is to releease a new console every year which would destroy any chance of optimising since the spec keeps changing. and according to another thread of yours future consoles should also be optimised for 480P and games should be played on small tellies again. TC.....i know you must absolutely revile and despise the PC as a useless and broken piece of filth and are desperate for your consoles to win some sort of graphical victory going by your nonsensical topics. but really.....think things through before talking nonsense.
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#28 agpickle
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TC, please keep making topics, they are hilarious. :lol:

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#29 Cranler
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The console armies have some really weak soldiers.

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#30 Cranler
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[QUOTE="slarkyslark"]So what do I propose? Release a new system, at the same price, every year. This way, devs can have the latest hardware AND optimize that hardware. PC gaming couldnt touch that combo.AdobeArtist

Youi seriously expect cunsumers to shell out $300-$400 every year, and to justify that kind of purches knowing in advance that what they buy will only be useful for 1 year?? :|

What the HELL is this.... I don't even... :?:?:?:?

And the reason console games are so well optimized is the fact that devs get accustomed to making games for the same hardware. If the hardware keeps changing, then optimization goes down.
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#31 FatSlasH
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What you fail to realize about those graphic intensive console games is:

They run at 720P

They run at 30 FPS

There's no/less AA

Levels are small and linear

So they don't exactly compete with PC games

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#32 kraken2109
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After looking at your other thread, i will say the same as last time - stop trolling.

Nobody would buy a console every year.

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#33 Wasdie  Moderator
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I dare the consoles to run Rome Total War or even BF2 on it's max settings. Both games would bring console to their knees becasue of the lack of RAM.

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#34 ronvalencia
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[QUOTE="slarkyslark"]Optimization. The only reason PC trashes consoles today is because optimization can only go so far, and that consoles are released every 5+ years which age them horribly. Example: Find me a PC built in November 2005 that can come close to the graphics of this . http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MouHr9D8ud8 . or this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwywuVzrJTg . No pc built in Nov 05 comes close, as we know the 360 and ps3 run on 2005 hardware. So we see that the console platform is much better for gaming, since devs can optimize games for specific hardware. But since consoles take so long to release the next system, pc demolishes them. So what do I propose? Release a new system, at the same price, every year. This way, devs can have the latest hardware AND optimize that hardware. PC gaming couldnt touch that combo.

PC hardware includes optimizations e.g. single pass for pre/post tessellation stage in DX11, hardware texture compression HDR (BC6) and LDR(BC7).
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#35 HaloinventedFPS
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Fear 1 maxed out on PC beats any console game, PC's could do 1080p back then, consoles are still on 720, lol

/thread

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#36 tomarlyn
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I dare the consoles to run Rome Total War or even BF2 on it's max settings. Both games would bring console to their knees becasue of the lack of RAM.

Wasdie
Rome Total War doesn't actually demand that much though. The recommended specs say 512 RAM, for a PC that uses that RAM for other things too.
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#37 dxmcat
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Will a next gen console run todays best looking games (crysis/crysis2/metro) ,maxed out, at 1080?

Only time will tell :D

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#38 hoogiewumpus
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1080 isn't needed unless you're right close to the screen. Sitting five feet away, 720 is just fine. And PS3 games already look as good as PC games. U2 and KZ3 easily match any PC game.
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#39 Masculus
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I was holding this one for a special moment.

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#40 Doolz2024
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Annual console releases? That's probably one of the worst ideas I've ever heard.
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#41 lightleggy
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Fear 1 maxed out on PC beats any console game, PC's could do 1080p back then, consoles are still on 720, lol

/thread

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what? fear 1 is an extremely rubbish game im pretty much amazed how that game was actually released on ps3 and 360 with no graphical overhaul.
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#42 Kevz0
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I dare the consoles to run Rome Total War or even BF2 on it's max settings. Both games would bring console to their knees becasue of the lack of RAM.

Wasdie
I agree that R:TW would not be playable on consoles. However, BF2 would probably run at 30 FPS.
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[QUOTE="Zurrur"]All great games nowdays are console exclusiveAvatarMan96

I'm no PC gamer, yet I know that isn't necessarily true ;)

It isn't true at all lol. Not only are most amazing games multiplat across consoles and PC, but PC has a number of amazing exclusives. I can't wait for Diablo III :).

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#44 AmazonTreeBoa
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The video you linked us too has been removed. But to you I say. Show me a console from 2005 that can play whatever game was in the video we can't watch.

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#45 dzimm
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So what do I propose? Release a new system, at the same price, every year. This way, devs can have the latest hardware AND optimize that hardware. PC gaming couldnt touch that combo.slarkyslark
That might work if people were really willing to buy a new console every year, which would eliminate any price advantage consoles have over PCs, in which case you may as well just buy a PC and keep it up to date with comparatively less expensive incremental upgrades.

Not to mention that a year isn't nearly enough time for developers to learn how to effeciently optimize the hardware.

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#46 Heil68
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[QUOTE="slarkyslark"]No pc built in Nov 05 comes close, as we know the 360 and ps3 run on 2005 hardware. edidili

Well that's the beauty of it, as a PC gamer I'm not stuck in 2005.

Yup, it's like being stuck in the dark ages really.
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#48 dom2000
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Fear 1 maxed out on PC beats any console game, PC's could do 1080p back then, consoles are still on 720, lol

/thread

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Lol no...just no! Fear 1 looks incredibly dated right now!

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#49 deactivated-5cf4b2c19c4ab
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Consoles get such great optimization because devs have so long to work with the hardware and that hte hardware is static, and no one will be buying a new $400-$500 console every year. Your proposal is to turn consoles into very limited and crappy PCs with a tiny lifespan.
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#50 flashn00b
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[QUOTE="HaloinventedFPS"]

Fear 1 maxed out on PC beats any console game, PC's could do 1080p back then, consoles are still on 720, lol

/thread

dom2000

Lol no...just no! Fear 1 looks incredibly dated right now!

The graphics are dated, but looking at the games of today, i think the AI will stand the test of time.