Why do my Xbox360 games lack so much value?

I'll put them in order from greatest to least in terms of value:

1. Forza 2 - Fantastic game. Extremely long (if not tedious/reptitive due to low track count) single-player mode, along with a solid multiplayer and other features. Put simply, this game could last me all year with me playing it on and off -- and so far it has.

2. Halo 3 - IMO the single-player was boring, but the multiplayer got me hooked easily. Halo 3 lasted me nearly a whole month with me playing 4-6 hours of it a week (which is good considering I play a wide variety of games). However, I got Call of Duty 4 for PC and I can safely say that I will never return to Halo 3. Maybe someday -- but COD4 is in a whole new league when it comes to fun (IMO).

Those two games were worth the $60 easily. Halo 3 would have lasted me much longer if COD4 hadn't come out. However, these next few games differ sharply in terms of value.

3. Gears of War -- The single-player was actually decent, however it only lasted me two nights. I then took to the multiplayer and the competitive atmosphere of the game really got me hooked. GeOW lasted me about a month before I realized how incredibly mediocre the multiplayer was designed. Lag was always an issue, bullet lag was fustrating, the online community was the worst I have ever played with (when you have to wait an additional 60 seconds because your opponent needs to tea bag and attach smoke grenades to your bleeding out body -- it gets old). Every game was first a rush for the sniper rifle, and then close quarters shot gun blasting -- something the game was not designed for. Oh and all three of the game modes were practically identical.

GeOW really is a rent. Too bad I bought it..

4. GRAW 2 -- I loved this game, I really did. The singleplayer was iffy (I guess I don't like playing shooters alone), but again, the multiplayer is what drew me in. Problem is, the love didn't last more than a couple of weeks as I already owned shooters I was getting more out of. It was a fresh and fun experience for the time -- but in the end, it was $60 wasted.

5. Rainbow 6: Vegas -- This game was very much like GRAW2, and again, I enjoyed the fresh feeling it brought to playing shooters, and I had a blast playing it on XBL. But again, lasted around 2 weeks. $60 gone.

Notice that all of these games have been AAA?

6.Lost Planet - This was a gift, but I can honestly tell you that I beat it on normal in under 5 hours. I enjoyed it, but wow. The multiplayer wasn't worth over 30 mins of my time.

Solutions to this problem.

I understand I'm probably the only one with this issue, because I actually spread myself out when I play games. I can't just own a 360 and play it everyday -- gaming would be dull. But I think my games would last longer if:

1. An online ranking system (a good one). I can honestly say I wouldn't have played Halo 3 online for a second if it didn't have its ranking system. It made me feel accomplished and added a lot of fun to the game.

2. Make funner single-player games. Unlockables, different difficulties etc.. always help -- but for me, replay value is based on how much fun the game is. I beat Ninja Gaiden 3 times and then 2 more when I got NGB. Not because I wanted a cool costume or some easter egg, but because the gameplay was so well designed that I fighting guys never got old -- especially with the wide variety of weapons. I stil play old PS2 games much more than anything on my 360.

NOT ACHIEVMENTS! I HATE THOSE. They mean nothing to me, and if that is an excuse for replayibility then it will be a sad era in gaming.

That's my rant, anyone else have similar problems?

I'm going to get Mass Effect, because epic RPGs can last me forever.

I would post the link to the Billy Madison video but your thread isn't even worth it....

Epic Fail!!

Can be said about ANY game. Fail.Kratos_OMEGA

This isn't a bash thread. Try reading next time instead of spamming in my thread 20 seconds after I submitted it.

I think we expect way too much of games. Compared to any other form of entertainment games are a fantastic value.

Take movies, you spend 7-8 bucks for 2 - 3 hours max.

If you put in more than 20 hours in a game you are getting your money's worth.

How are games with multiplayer that can be played on a great multiplayer service be considered lacking in value?Cute_Gamer

How did you manage to read my entire post that fast and still make an ignorant comment?

How are games with multiplayer that can be played on a great multiplayer service be considered lacking in value?Cute_Gamer

my point exactly.

[QUOTE="Cute_Gamer"]How are games with multiplayer that can be played on a great multiplayer service be considered lacking in value?Koalakommander

How did you manage to read my entire post that fast and still make an ignorant comment?

You are expecting too much of games bro. Take World of Warcraft for example, if you paid U$50 for the game plus U$15/month and you play it a lot, you are not paying that much for each entertainment hour.

[QUOTE="Cute_Gamer"]How are games with multiplayer that can be played on a great multiplayer service be considered lacking in value?BlueBarad

my point exactly.

If the multiplayer service was actually "great", I'd still be playing all the games I listed.

[QUOTE="BlueBarad"]

[QUOTE="Cute_Gamer"]How are games with multiplayer that can be played on a great multiplayer service be considered lacking in value?Koalakommander

my point exactly.

If the multiplayer service was actually "great", I'd still be playing all the games I listed.

Right, but you keep expecting the experience to evolve, which it doesn't. It is what it is.

You put in 40-50 hours and you have played the game.

You don't keep watching the same movie over and over no matter how great it is.

Eventually you will get bored.

[QUOTE="Koalakommander"]

[QUOTE="Cute_Gamer"]How are games with multiplayer that can be played on a great multiplayer service be considered lacking in value?BlueBarad

How did you manage to read my entire post that fast and still make an ignorant comment?

You are expecting too much of games bro. Take World of Warcraft for example, if you paid U$50 for the game plus U$15/month and you play it a lot, you are not paying that much for each entertainment hour.

Well I do play WoW. It's worth it when I'm into the game, but when I get bored and take a break I stop paying.

The same can't be said about a game like GeOW. I pay $60 and it lasts me a month, than it collects dust....forever.

I made it clear that all of this is from my perspective and I'm not hating on anything, I was just curious if anyone felt similar.

[QUOTE="Koalakommander"][QUOTE="BlueBarad"]

[QUOTE="Cute_Gamer"]How are games with multiplayer that can be played on a great multiplayer service be considered lacking in value?BlueBarad

my point exactly.

If the multiplayer service was actually "great", I'd still be playing all the games I listed.

Right, but you keep expecting the experience to evolve, which it doesn't. It is what it is.

You put in 40-50 hours and you have played the game.

You don't keep watching the same movie over and over no matter how great it is.

Eventually you will get bored.

Getting bored is inevitable, you're right. But 2 weeks of spreaded out game time is more of a rent if you ask me.

Sounds like you got your money's worth to me, what more do you want?....If you get that bored you should try a subscription to blockbuster or netflix. Sounds like agood value to me, I dont think you will get the same enjoyment from the PSN or lack of games from the PS3.robflores370

Oh I know the PS3 would be worse for me. And gamefly sounds like a great deal right about now.

HMMM well ill give my impressions on some ps3 games including multiplate

Rainbow 6 vegas- Singleplayer wasent worth touching, it was so boring. Online was nice, but if you arent in a clan i can see why it wouldnt last more than 2 weeks. Also it got pretty laggy. I got bored of it in 2 months with a clan. Id say it was worth the money.

Resistance fall of man. Worth it 100%. Played through singleplayer twice, Both times lasting 12+ hours for me, and replaying on super human is a B****!!! Very fun game. Online is super fun, even with out playing with a clan. The people are nice and fun, lag free online, and was the first run and gun game i enjoyed. Lasted me 3 months and i still play once and awhile. Worth every penny.

GRAW 2. I did not buy this but i wish i did, i loved single player, it was good not awsome but good. Online was dang good. It last me a fun rent, i wish i bought it, but who knows maybe i would have thought different playing it for more than a week.

Ratchet and clank FTOD. Easily the best of all the games, and i played each game 2-3 times each. I love this game, awsome singleplayer, replay value is great, and its challenge mode can be pretty hard at times. Owned it since release, i usually play cod4, but when i dont i play this. Definatly worth the money

Motorstorm- Wont got into details but its a fun, challenging, and addicing game. I still play this and i can say my 60 dollars went to a good cause.

COD4- All ill say is your dumb not to own this.

Lair- gee..... i loved it at first but it lost its touch. This is a flop i will say earned its score and was not worth my money.

Switch to PC gaming?twags82

I never "switch." I've always gamed on all the consoles I could have.

HMMM well ill give my impressions on some ps3 games including multiplate

Rainbow 6 vegas- Singleplayer wasent worth touching, it was so boring. Online was nice, but if you arent in a clan i can see why it wouldnt last more than 2 weeks. Also it got pretty laggy. I got bored of it in 2 months with a clan. Id say it was worth the money.

Resistance fall of man. Worth it 100%. Played through singleplayer twice, Both times lasting 12+ hours for me, and replaying on super human is a B****!!! Very fun game. Online is super fun, even with out playing with a clan. The people are nice and fun, lag free online, and was the first run and gun game i enjoyed. Lasted me 3 months and i still play once and awhile. Worth every penny.

GRAW 2. I did not buy this but i wish i did, i loved single player, it was good not awsome but good. Online was dang good. It last me a fun rent, i wish i bought it, but who knows maybe i would have thought different playing it for more than a week.

Ratchet and clank FTOD. Easily the best of all the games, and i played each game 2-3 times each. I love this game, awsome singleplayer, replay value is great, and its challenge mode can be pretty hard at times. Owned it since release, i usually play cod4, but when i dont i play this. Definatly worth the money

Motorstorm- Wont got into details but its a fun, challenging, and addicing game. I still play this and i can say my 60 dollars went to a good cause.

COD4- All ill say is your dumb not to own this.

Lair- gee..... i loved it at first but it lost its touch. This is a flop i will say earned its score and was not worth my money.

Sully28

I played Resistance at a friend's (i know that sounds iffy), I honestly thought the game was garbage. GRAW2 and Rainbow 6 i already explained, I would never buy motorstorm or even rent it.

Ratchet and Clank looks like alot of fun, and all of their previous games have lasted me quite a bit.

But the PS3 just isn't ready to be bought yet.

[QUOTE="BlueBarad"][QUOTE="Koalakommander"][QUOTE="BlueBarad"]

[QUOTE="Cute_Gamer"]How are games with multiplayer that can be played on a great multiplayer service be considered lacking in value?Koalakommander

my point exactly.

If the multiplayer service was actually "great", I'd still be playing all the games I listed.

Right, but you keep expecting the experience to evolve, which it doesn't. It is what it is.

You put in 40-50 hours and you have played the game.

You don't keep watching the same movie over and over no matter how great it is.

Eventually you will get bored.

Getting bored is inevitable, you're right. But 2 weeks of spreaded out game time is more of a rent if you ask me.

But you can't say 2 weeks of spread out gaming is a rent. I have a friend that finished Mario 64 the day he got it. (crazy) You have to think in terms of entertainment hours you put into the game, if you spent only 1/2 hour a day for 2 weeks thats only 7 hours, that would be a bad value. if you spent 4 hours per day for 14 days that would be 56 hours, great value.

2. Halo 3 - IMO the single-player was boring, but the multiplayer got me hooked easily. Halo 3 lasted me nearly a whole month with me playing 4-6 hours of it a week (which is good considering I play a wide variety of games). However, I got Call of Duty 4 for PC and I can safely say that I will never return to Halo 3. Maybe someday -- but COD4 is in a whole new league when it comes to fun (IMO).

Those two games were worth the $60 easily. Halo 3 would have lasted me much longer if COD4 hadn't come out. However, these next few games differ sharply in terms of value.

Koalakommander

[QUOTE="Koalakommander"][QUOTE="BlueBarad"][QUOTE="Koalakommander"][QUOTE="BlueBarad"]

[QUOTE="Cute_Gamer"]How are games with multiplayer that can be played on a great multiplayer service be considered lacking in value?BlueBarad

my point exactly.

If the multiplayer service was actually "great", I'd still be playing all the games I listed.

Right, but you keep expecting the experience to evolve, which it doesn't. It is what it is.

You put in 40-50 hours and you have played the game.

You don't keep watching the same movie over and over no matter how great it is.

Eventually you will get bored.

Getting bored is inevitable, you're right. But 2 weeks of spreaded out game time is more of a rent if you ask me.

But you can't say 2 weeks of spread out gaming is a rent. I have a friend that finished Mario 64 the day he got it. (crazy) You have to think in terms of entertainment hours you put into the game, if you spent only 1/2 hour a day for 2 weeks thats only 7 hours, that would be a bad value. if you spent 4 hours per day for 14 days that would be 56 hours, great value.

I see what your saying but I can't really put a price rate on entertainment. For example, it took me 7 months to beat Shadow of the Colosuss, for some reason, everytime I beat a colossi I felt kind of drained because they are really challenging, and i wouldnt continue until like 4 weeks later. I consider to be one of the best games I've ever played.

Beating a game in a day or two really feels kind of wasteful. I try not to do it anymore.

[QUOTE="Koalakommander"]

2. Halo 3 - IMO the single-player was boring, but the multiplayer got me hooked easily. Halo 3 lasted me nearly a whole month with me playing 4-6 hours of it a week (which is good considering I play a wide variety of games). However, I got Call of Duty 4 for PC and I can safely say that I will never return to Halo 3. Maybe someday -- but COD4 is in a whole new league when it comes to fun (IMO).

Those two games were worth the $60 easily. Halo 3 would have lasted me much longer if COD4 hadn't come out. However, these next few games differ sharply in terms of value.

ViVaLaMaTT

Are you being sarcastic? That's like an hour a day..

[QUOTE="ViVaLaMaTT"][QUOTE="Koalakommander"]

2. Halo 3 - IMO the single-player was boring, but the multiplayer got me hooked easily. Halo 3 lasted me nearly a whole month with me playing 4-6 hours of it a week (which is good considering I play a wide variety of games). However, I got Call of Duty 4 for PC and I can safely say that I will never return to Halo 3. Maybe someday -- but COD4 is in a whole new league when it comes to fun (IMO).

Those two games were worth the $60 easily. Halo 3 would have lasted me much longer if COD4 hadn't come out. However, these next few games differ sharply in terms of value.

Koalakommander

Are you being sarcastic? That's like an hour a day..

I see what your saying but I can't really put a price rate on entertainment. For example, it took me 7 months to beat Shadow of the Colosuss, for some reason, everytime I beat a colossi I felt kind of drained because they are really challenging, and i wouldnt continue until like 4 weeks later. I consider to be one of the best games I've ever played.

Beating a game in a day or two really feels kind of wasteful. I try not to do it anymore.

Koalakommander

Right there you are letting your personal feelings about a console get in the way.

SOTC is a 10 hour game. If it took you 4 months to beat it that doesn't mean it's less of a value than Forza.

That's on you not on the game itself.

I think we expect way too much of games. Compared to any other form of entertainment games are a fantastic value.

Take movies, you spend 7-8 bucks for 2 - 3 hours max.

If you put in more than 20 hours in a game you are getting your money's worth.

BlueBarad

I don't know about you but as an adult I spend $10 on a single ticket and of course I don't go alone. So it's even more expensive for that same 2 -3 hours.

I agree if you play a game for a while then it's well worth your money.

[QUOTE="Koalakommander"]

I see what your saying but I can't really put a price rate on entertainment. For example, it took me 7 months to beat Shadow of the Colosuss, for some reason, everytime I beat a colossi I felt kind of drained because they are really challenging, and i wouldnt continue until like 4 weeks later. I consider to be one of the best games I've ever played.

Beating a game in a day or two really feels kind of wasteful. I try not to do it anymore.

BlueBarad

Right there you are letting your personal feelings about a console get in the way.

SOTC is a 10 hour game. If it took you 4 months to beat it that doesn't mean it's less of a value than Forza.

That's on you not on the game itself.

I didn't name a single console in that post 0_o.

Yes, my SOTC game only has about 10 hours logged, but the quality of the game was pretty epic. Most of my 360 games so far have felt like short bursts of fun that are easily forgotten. GeOW was alot of fun, and it was 10 hours. But nothing from it make it stick out amongst all the other games that let you shoot things. There wasn't an epic story, cast, or music, and the multiplayer was lackluster.

If someone asked me what I thought of GRAW2, I'd tell them it's an awsome game and recommend it(same with GeOW). But I'd also ask if they are already into other shooters and if they were I'd tell them to rent it first.

[QUOTE="twags82"]Switch to PC gaming?Koalakommander

I never "switch." I've always gamed on all the consoles I could have.

Then just throw PC gaming into the mix.

[QUOTE="BlueBarad"]

I think we expect way too much of games. Compared to any other form of entertainment games are a fantastic value.

Take movies, you spend 7-8 bucks for 2 - 3 hours max.

If you put in more than 20 hours in a game you are getting your money's worth.

kingtito

I don't know about you but as an adult I spend $10 on a single ticket and of course I don't go alone. So it's even more expensive for that same 2 -3 hours.

I agree if you play a game for a while then it's well worth your money.

I'm 29, take the wife, but we both have student ID's :D

That's not even counting the Buncha Crunch with the Large Diet Coke and Nachos. Right there is another U$14.75 easy :D

[QUOTE="BlueBarad"][QUOTE="Koalakommander"][QUOTE="BlueBarad"]

[QUOTE="Cute_Gamer"]How are games with multiplayer that can be played on a great multiplayer service be considered lacking in value?Koalakommander

my point exactly.

If the multiplayer service was actually "great", I'd still be playing all the games I listed.

Right, but you keep expecting the experience to evolve, which it doesn't. It is what it is.

You put in 40-50 hours and you have played the game.

You don't keep watching the same movie over and over no matter how great it is.

Eventually you will get bored.

Getting bored is inevitable, you're right. But 2 weeks of spreaded out game time is more of a rent if you ask me.

This argument can be made with pretty much every game for every system. Don't dare buy a PS3, or you'll need to buy a bottle of Advil.BioShockOwnz

I know, but I only have a 360 so I can't really say anything about the others, or people would get angry.. I won't be getting a PS3 for a loonng time, for obvious reasons.

[QUOTE="Koalakommander"]

[QUOTE="twags82"]Switch to PC gaming?twags82

I never "switch." I've always gamed on all the consoles I could have.

Then just throw PC gaming into the mix.

It's always been the center of my gaming needs. Always.

[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]This argument can be made with pretty much every game for every system. Don't dare buy a PS3, or you'll need to buy a bottle of Advil.Koalakommander

I know, but I only have a 360 so I can't really say anything about the others, or people would get angry.. I won't be getting a PS3 for a loonng time, for obvious reasons.

Well I can tell you. Every PS3 game lacks value and are just as short or shorter than the 360 games. They lack value all around. Since I say it, it must be FACT! :roll:

[QUOTE="Koalakommander"]

[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]This argument can be made with pretty much every game for every system. Don't dare buy a PS3, or you'll need to buy a bottle of Advil.BioShockOwnz

I know, but I only have a 360 so I can't really say anything about the others, or people would get angry.. I won't be getting a PS3 for a loonng time, for obvious reasons.

Well I can tell you. Every PS3 game lacks value and are just as short or shorter than the 360 games. They lack value all around. Since I say it, it must be FACT! :roll:

I know you are obsessed about telling everybody that it is only their opinion and doesn't matter, but if you look at my post I included plenty of "IMO"s, "perspective"s and "...to me.."s.

Infact, the last statement in my post is admitting that I am probably the only one who thinks this way, and am just curious if anyone actually shares my views.

I knew you would come in here with that kind of talk, so I made my starting post Bioshockownz-proof.

Unlockables in multiplayer games are lame. It makes the game unfun when you have to tool around with the crappy gear for a long time before being able to "unlock" the fun stuff. Everyone should be on the same playing field from the moment they spawn. Unlockables break any kind of balance that may have existed since they are almost always upgrades for stock items. Battlefield 2 is an example of agame that suffered because of this stupid idea.Bgrngod

And yet I started out with crappy weapons just like everyone else, and still enjoyed the game thouroughly(COD4). If you are having trouble leveling I can give you some advice.

The advantage of playing on PC is that you know they are going to make leagues for this game.