Why do PC gamers hate consoles?

But Bioshock is on both the 360 and PS3 and if I'm not mistaken was a fantastic game on all 3 platforms. The "fact of life" is the console audience can be just as complicated as the PC audience. Crytec realized that and that's why we will be seeing a multiplatform Crysis 2. clubsammich91

yet bioshock is nothing and no wheres near as deep or involved as system shock 2 its predecessor.

and we havnt seen anything of crysis 2 yet, not that it was a complicated game to begin with.

I can't afford a high end computer and have a low end machine, but I don't even know what PopCap is. Way to show off your elitism. If I could play some of these games, I would, but my lowly 400$ comp would melt if I put Crysis in it. but if Crytek would allow the game to run on lower end machines, then I could. Imagine how many copies they would sell then.

heysharpshooter

crysis ran fine on my single core system that was from 04 with a gpu from 06 on meidum high settings.

crysis runs on lowend gaming rigs fairly well. its not designed (nor is any noncasual game) for nongaming pcs or laptops.

it had the stigma of needing a super rig just to run or to run well.

I can't afford a high end computer and have a low end machine, but I don't even know what PopCap is. Way to show off your elitism. If I could play some of these games, I would, but my lowly 400$ comp would melt if I put Crysis in it. but if Crytek would allow the game to run on lower end machines, then I could. Imagine how many copies they would sell then.heysharpshooter

Oh wow, I'm suddenly an elitist? I think you misinterpreted something there..

All I was saying is that most of the people who are truly interested in non-casual PC games already have the hardware to allow for it. Even if, as you suggest, games magically had lower requirements without sacrificing features of the game itself, I still honestly don't think average sales would increase very much, particularly for the more traditional PC games that don't really have a similar experience available on any of the consoles (stuff like STALKER or Crysis.)

EDIT: To be perfectly honest, non-casual PC gaming is not more niche than console gaming just because of the hardware/cost aspect. I think you'd need far more than a drop in system requirements to generate significantly more sales. That's all I was saying..

I dont and im mainly a PC gamer so hey ho there goes that theory.

I don't hate the consoles. I wish I had gears of war 2. I dislike the controls mainly for FPS/ shooting games or games that feature shooting. I consider aiming with a analog way worse than a controller.

I mainly dislike console for controller. If PS3 or 360 had a supported keyboard and mouse that you can play games on, I would buy either one.

I don't hate consoles as much as I hate consolites.rcignoni

Exactly. Why do idiotic console gamers need to spout off about PC gaming when they don't know anything about it? Examples in this thread include the clown claiming that PC gaming is dying out.

I don't hate console gamers, well, not all of them.

There are the Cows that believe themselves to own a super computer that is far above everything else, even the latest technology on PC. Then of course there are the ones that make up stuff about PC then bash it for it, the "a gaming PC costs $1000s" and "every PC game is a unoptimized bug fest" people.

its less about 'losing' games most of us are perfectly happy to see pc exclusives on the consoles. i for one was excited when crysis 2 was announced multiplat.

however the issue is when pc exclusives go to the consoles and then return home they return as a bastardization of the former game. this also applies to multiplat games with a pc focus turning into a console focus.

examples would be dues ex and dues ex 2. the first game was great one of the best FPSs ever. it was a pc focused title but still multiplatform. however the second was designed around the console audience. the RPG elements were toned down. it was a watered down version of the first game simply to gain more sales on the console audience.

its similar to bands selling out. theres plenty of bands making great music that continue to that catches mainstream success not because they write the music for the mainstream but because theyre just a great band (related to video games and this topic that would be games like HL2 and Doom 3 both multiplatform titles with a pc focus that are epic). then theres the bands that stop writing the music that gained them a following and write musics soley to appease the mainstream or to gain a larger audience (ex FEAR 2, dues ex 2 and looks like 3).

thats why we 'hate' consoles.

even though its a ridiculous statement since most pc gamers have a console or two anyways.

i guess the other way to explain it is this. the consoles once existed as a separate relm as the pc, there were console games and there were pc games. even multiplat ones you knew where they belonged. even last gen there was simply no excuse not to have a console if you were a pc gamer. they had great games. issue is this gen especially the consoles are trying to be the pc. and developers are trying to meld that line between them into something unholy.

washd123

I agree best example is the new wolfenstein,

Play Deus Ex 2 and you'll have your answer, the dreaded "Consolfication"!

When devs make a game for consoles and PC the PC version is held back by the console's limitations and not just technically and control wise. Console games have a higher levels of "dumbification" aswell which really pisses off PC gamers when it seeps across.

You know how when Bioware announced the next KOTOR to be an MMO, and most console gamers were all like "ewwwww"? Yeah, its kinda like that sometimes when a PC game is turned multiplat and catered or compromised for console audiences.

The transformation a game or series sometimes undergoes during the "consolization" process is often disappointed.

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But most people can't build a computer/afford a pre-built one that could play that. They push it to the limit, spend tons of money and make very little in returun because only a handful of people could actually play the game, and half of them would pirate it.

This is the attitude that is killing PC gaming IMO.

fail harder.

crysis cost $40m to make. it sold at least 2m copies last word from crytek. the rumors are 3m. lets put it at 2.5 million. the game debuted at $50 and then went down to $40.

lets assume 1m people bought it at $50. thats $50m then the rest of the 1.5 bought it at $40 thats $60m for a total of $110m. now even if crytek gets half of that money its still a $20m profit for them. on a single system.

even though it was pirated.

even though people were under the perception you need a monster rig (you dont)

even though it had the stigma of 'all graphics no gameplay'

id say thats pretty good for a game with mostly negative hype.

I hate console fanboys, not consoles. The amount of willful ignorance in this thread alone is enough to justify that.

They are overall inferior. You can't download mods or other things like that for games.

I always wondered that I play PC, PS3, and Xbox 360. Everytime I get on PC they hate on consoles because they say it takes no skill (autoaim) and the graphics suck, but what are the other reasons?

kunal1092000

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I always wondered that I play PC, PS3, and Xbox 360. Everytime I get on PC they hate on consoles because they say it takes no skill (autoaim) and the graphics suck, but what are the other reasons?

jeffwulf

^This.

I don't "hate" consoles. But I am annoyed that the PC's hardware is not pushed to its limits to due having to port over from the consoles. AND that games are getting more mainstreamed & casualized. tagyhag

Usually that really means it goes from an overly difficult cult game into something better.

[QUOTE="tagyhag"]I don't "hate" consoles. But I am annoyed that the PC's hardware is not pushed to its limits to due having to port over from the consoles. AND that games are getting more mainstreamed & casualized. 789shadow

Usually that really means it goes from an overly difficult cult game into something better.

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[QUOTE="tagyhag"]I don't "hate" consoles. But I am annoyed that the PC's hardware is not pushed to its limits to due having to port over from the consoles. AND that games are getting more mainstreamed & casualized. tagyhag

Usually that really means it goes from an overly difficult cult game into something better.

I honestly thought I was the only person in the world who cared about this. A console exclusive IL-2? Come on...

I don't hate consoles, NES introduced me to gaming, how could I hate consoles,

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However I'm a software engineering student, so PC gaming was a much more attractive option due to all the possibilities.... anyways, as soon as i have enough cash I'm also buying an xbox 360, so u see not all PC gamers hate consoles

I'm a PC gamer and I don't hate consoles, but I will occasionally post some stuff that comes off as elitist, but it's only because the consolites of this forum that know absolutely nothing when it comes to PC gaming.

Hermits actually do hate consoles I'm sure, but any random PC gamer is probably not that way.

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Usually that really means it goes from an overly difficult cult game into something better.

psn8214

I honestly thought I was the only person in the world who cared about this. A console exclusive IL-2? Come on...

You're never alone :oops:

Oh wait that sounds stalkerish. :P

For me, only this is enough:

Rainbow Six series

:cry: :cry: :cry:

its less about 'losing' games most of us are perfectly happy to see pc exclusives on the consoles. i for one was excited when crysis 2 was announced multiplat.

however the issue is when pc exclusives go to the consoles and then return home they return as a bastardization of the former game. this also applies to multiplat games with a pc focus turning into a console focus.

examples would be dues ex and dues ex 2. the first game was great one of the best FPSs ever. it was a pc focused title but still multiplatform. however the second was designed around the console audience. the RPG elements were toned down. it was a watered down version of the first game simply to gain more sales on the console audience.

its similar to bands selling out. theres plenty of bands making great music that continue to that catches mainstream success not because they write the music for the mainstream but because theyre just a great band (related to video games and this topic that would be games like HL2 and Doom 3 both multiplatform titles with a pc focus that are epic). then theres the bands that stop writing the music that gained them a following and write musics soley to appease the mainstream or to gain a larger audience (ex FEAR 2, dues ex 2 and looks like 3).

thats why we 'hate' consoles.

even though its a ridiculous statement since most pc gamers have a console or two anyways.

i guess the other way to explain it is this. the consoles once existed as a separate relm as the pc, there were console games and there were pc games. even multiplat ones you knew where they belonged. even last gen there was simply no excuse not to have a console if you were a pc gamer. they had great games. issue is this gen especially the consoles are trying to be the pc. and developers are trying to meld that line between them into something unholy.

a repost so you get the idea. i feel this sums up most pc gamers feelings on the issue

Didn't know this post would spark so much debate, but then again it is System Wars.

They don't. My PC oriented friend just bought a 360. He now plays it for an equal amount of time as his PC, if not more.

I dont. I only have a couple of PC gamer friends who really dislike console gaming.

Otherwise everyone I know who is a PC gamer likes console gaming, and own another system (be it PS3, Wii, 360 or handhelds).

Anyway this being a web forum means people are going to be more vocal about extremes.

For me, only this is enough:

Rainbow Six series

:cry: :cry: :cry:

glez13

because since last generation, more and more, PC games are going to consoles.Jandurin