Why do people care so much about sales?

I often see people on here talk about "X game or system is better than Y because it sold more" but I don't understand that logic.

I have been playing games ever since I was a little kid, and not once did I ever stop and think to myself "oh man this game sold less than that other game, my enjoyment is ruined", it doesn't effect my enjoyment of a game at all.

Who cares if COD sales more than Halo or Killzone? Who cares if 360 sales slightly more than PS3? How does it make your gaming experience any better? Only reason why I would care about sales is if I was a share holder of a company, but alas I am not so I do not care.

And no one here is a share holder either, so what do you get out of it if a game sales more on one platform or another, or another game outsells your favorite? Your still going to enjoy your game regardless right?

It's never really made sense to me. I fail to see how that is a form of "ownage".

The beauty of the sales arguments are that those particular users are usually grasping for straws.

So, if anything welcome them...as it's an identifier on what kind of poster they truly are. :P

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BTW, I've said this hundreds of times it feels like. Sales do play a part in dictating whether or not a franchise gets a sequel, so in that respect they have power. This is relevant to the devs/pubs...SW sometimes takes that out of context frequently.

We see things about One million sales vs. 3 million sales, PWNED!

But, other variables such as how much the game cost to develop, how much marketing was spent on "X" game almost never considered, just the total sales (not profit), and this idea that if a game doesn't sell one million (2 million, 8 million or whatever figure), it's a flop. We can't know that unless we have those other variables...which we almost never have.

In the end we get "my favorite game sold 2 million more than your favorite game, haha" arguments are all we are left with in this place. Those Armchair CEO kiddy arguments are completely and utterly pointless, other than we can use that kind of debate as an identifier as to what kind of user they are, which can be quite handy. ;)

The only people who talk about sales typically don't accept logical perspective about those sales, so they are idiots who can't do simple math.

Because everyone here are businessmen

I often see people on here talk about "X game or system is better than Y because it sold more" but I don't understand that logic.

I have been playing games ever since I was a little kid, and not once did I ever stop and think to myself "oh man this game sold less than that other game, my enjoyment is ruined", it doesn't effect my enjoyment of a game at all.

Who cares if COD sales more than Halo or Killzone? Who cares if 360 sales slightly more than PS3? How does it make your gaming experience any better? Only reason why I would care about sales is if I was a share holder of a company, but alas I am not so I do not care.

And no one here is a share holder either, so what do you get out of it if a game sales more on one platform or another, or another game outsells your favorite? Your still going to enjoy your game regardless right?

It's never really made sense to me. I fail to see how that is a form of "ownage".

ShadowMoses900

A) No one says this shiit. You're making things up because PS3 exclusives sell mediocore until they cost like 20 bucks. Who cares either way?

B) Oh for fuuck sakes this is SW, this is the shiiitt we sit and talk about, none of it matters but its discussion. You don't like it, go play all these "games"

C) Man, I care about sales generally because my favourite type of game is not the Gears of War/Uncharted/Skyrim/CoD crap that is going to sell millions regardless so I couldn't give a less of a crap about who is king of making millions. My fav type of games struggle getting good sales, this affects me directly. Can I stop or change it? No but when something is your hobby its not exactly unfounded to take interest in other aspects of it as well.

Why do you care why people care so much about sales?

Seriously, people usually bring up sales numbers when a product they like sales well, or when it could be used to downplay a product they don't particularly like.

That's not always the case though. Sales also represent public interest. If a game with decent marketing sells poorly (for its budget), it's safe to assume that many people just weren't interested in it.

because games arent fun anymore it's more fun counting sales now

the state of the industry

Agreed... people who make threads about sales are stupid.

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

I often see people on here talk about "X game or system is better than Y because it sold more" but I don't understand that logic.

I have been playing games ever since I was a little kid, and not once did I ever stop and think to myself "oh man this game sold less than that other game, my enjoyment is ruined", it doesn't effect my enjoyment of a game at all.

Who cares if COD sales more than Halo or Killzone? Who cares if 360 sales slightly more than PS3? How does it make your gaming experience any better? Only reason why I would care about sales is if I was a share holder of a company, but alas I am not so I do not care.

And no one here is a share holder either, so what do you get out of it if a game sales more on one platform or another, or another game outsells your favorite? Your still going to enjoy your game regardless right?

It's never really made sense to me. I fail to see how that is a form of "ownage".

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A) No one says this shiit. You're making things up because PS3 exclusives sell mediocore until they cost like 20 bucks. Who cares either way?

B) Oh for fuuck sakes this is SW, this is the shiiitt we sit and talk about, none of it matters but its discussion. You don't like it, go play all these "games"

C) Man, I care about sales generally because my favourite type of game is not the Gears of War/Uncharted/Skyrim/CoD crap that is going to sell millions regardless so I couldn't give a less of a crap about who is king of making millions. My fav type of games struggle getting good sales, this affects me directly. Can I stop or change it? No but when something is your hobby its not exactly unfounded to take interest in other aspects of it as well.

ActicEdge

Looks like I rustled someone's jimmies, you must be one of those pretend share holders on here. :cool:

And what are you talking about? People argue about what game/system sales more on here all the damn time. Also PS3 exclusives sells games perfectly fine, why do you think they keep making them?

Here's the proof your wrong: Quick Question: Why do people think PS3 exclusives don't sell...

Not that I actually care, but all 3 of your points are wrong.

Sales determine if there will be more of the same game, or series, or same developer

Looks like I rustled someone's jimmies, you must be one of those pretend share holders on here. :cool:

And what are you talking about? People argue about what game/system sales more on here all the damn time. Also PS3 exclusives sells games perfectly fine, why do you think they keep making them?

Here's the proof your wrong: Quick Question: Why do people think PS3 exclusives don't sell...

Not that I actually care, but all 3 of your points are wrong.

ShadowMoses900

Yes son, my jimmies are so rustled. You are a master at jimmies rusting, the girls must just hang off you the way you rustle jimmies.

Give me proof, give me links, give me quotes, no one accepts an argument without proof. You make the argument, you provide the proof oooorrrr you stfu up, plain and simple. So the proof, I'll wait for it.

I never said PS3 exclusives don't sell, I said they soll mediocore initally and then when they drop to like 20 bucks people pick them up. That's how it works, they are still selling but they have middling first months for big titles. That's not wrong, that's pree much how it works with some excpetions.

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because more sales means "X" game is better than the other. this is a fact in my opinion

[spoiler] :P [/spoiler]

Because it's interesting to view the industry from a business perspective?

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

Looks like I rustled someone's jimmies, you must be one of those pretend share holders on here. :cool:

And what are you talking about? People argue about what game/system sales more on here all the damn time. Also PS3 exclusives sells games perfectly fine, why do you think they keep making them?

Here's the proof your wrong: Quick Question: Why do people think PS3 exclusives don't sell...

Not that I actually care, but all 3 of your points are wrong.

ActicEdge

Yes son, my jimmies are so rustled. You are a master at jimmies rusting, the girls must just hang off you the way you rustle jimmies.

Give me proof, give me links, give me quotes, no one accepts an argument without proof. You make the argument, you provide the proof oooorrrr you stfu up, plain and simple. So the proof, I'll wait for it.

I never said PS3 exclusives don't sell, I said they soll mediocore initally and then when they drop to like 20 bucks people pick them up. That's how it works, they are still selling but they have middling first months for big titles. That's not wrong, that's pree much how it works with some excpetions.

Proof of what? I don't know what your asking for. I already posted a link that shows you why you were wrong about PS3 games selling medicore, both initially and otherwise. It's on the 1st page of that link. I don't really understand it.

Here since I can't yell at you over text I'll let THIS GUY yell at you instead.

I'm not really yelling at you, I'm just having some fun. :P But you would have to have your head in the sand if you've never seen anyone argue sales on here before. And when I proved you wrong you did the same thing.

Halo Wars sells more than Killzone in America and on ... - GameSpot

There you go. That's what I'm talking about.

Because sales matter. Ask Sega.

Also, sales mattered a lot to Sony fans years ago. In 2006, 2007, 2008...2009 and so on, I've heard Sony fans saying the PS3 would outsell the 360 and how the PS3 would soon overtake the 360.

Point is, sales matter just as much to Sony fans as they do to 360 fans. The only difference is, 360 fans seem to have more reason to make noise about it.

And I can't wait for ShadowMoses to break out the "LOL I've rustled your jimmies didn't I?!" schtick he uses in practically every thread when someone calls him out.

TC is just upset that -PS3 has the least amount of games of all systems -PS3 is the least wanted system -PS3 has less A,AA and AAA games alsoCanYouDiglt

The Jelly is strong with this one :cool:

Ispeakfact can't sue me for using his catch phrases, so don't try it. :P

[QUOTE="CanYouDiglt"]TC is just upset that -PS3 has the least amount of games of all systems -PS3 is the least wanted system -PS3 has less A,AA and AAA games alsoShadowMoses900

The Jelly is strong with this one :cool:

Ispeakfact can't sue me for using his catch phrases, so don't try it. :P

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

Looks like I rustled someone's jimmies, you must be one of those pretend share holders on here. :cool:

And what are you talking about? People argue about what game/system sales more on here all the damn time. Also PS3 exclusives sells games perfectly fine, why do you think they keep making them?

Here's the proof your wrong: Quick Question: Why do people think PS3 exclusives don't sell...

Not that I actually care, but all 3 of your points are wrong.

ShadowMoses900

Yes son, my jimmies are so rustled. You are a master at jimmies rusting, the girls must just hang off you the way you rustle jimmies.

Give me proof, give me links, give me quotes, no one accepts an argument without proof. You make the argument, you provide the proof oooorrrr you stfu up, plain and simple. So the proof, I'll wait for it.

I never said PS3 exclusives don't sell, I said they soll mediocore initally and then when they drop to like 20 bucks people pick them up. That's how it works, they are still selling but they have middling first months for big titles. That's not wrong, that's pree much how it works with some excpetions.

Proof of what? I don't know what your asking for. I already posted a link that shows you why you were wrong about PS3 games selling medicore, both initially and otherwise. It's on the 1st page of that link. I don't really understand it.

Here since I can't yell at you over text I'll let THIS GUY yell at you instead.

I'm not really yelling at you, I'm just having some fun. :P But you would have to have your head in the sand if you've never seen anyone argue sales on here before. And when I proved you wrong you did the same thing.

Halo Wars sells more than Killzone in America and on ... - GameSpot

There you go. That's what I'm talking about.

All your links are 404 errors for me so I dunno if its just me or your links are broken. Forgive me if I am missing something but I litterally can't read anything you're linking me (shrug) Also, a youtube link is not SW, we are in SW I don't give a damn about what some youtube social reject says, I want system warrior proof.

Because sales matter. Ask Sega.

Also, sales mattered a lot to Sony fans years ago. In 2006, 2007, 2008...2009 and so on, I've heard Sony fans saying the PS3 would outsell the 360 and how the PS3 would soon overtake the 360.

Point is, sales matter just as much to Sony fans as they do to 360 fans. The only difference is, 360 fans seem to have more reason to make noise about it.

And I can't wait for ShadowMoses to break out the "LOL I've rustled your jimmies didn't I?!" schtick he uses in practically every thread when someone calls him out.

The_Game21x

What does this have to do with Sony fans? I'm talking about games here. And who "called me out"? I think this thread makes you upset for some reason. Are you a secret MS stock holder? Or are you a wannabe pretend stock holder? I can be the latter if you want me to, I own stock in all companies hahaha, I win no matter what.

And no company is going to go the way of Sega, no one is in that position. I don't understand why 360 fanboys such as yourself are obsessed with Sony going down, it's not going to happen, and even if it did it would be REALLY bad for gamers.

MS would raise the cost of XBL into the hundreds and release even more faluty hardware, they would probably sell all their IP's and just do Kinect. Because there would be no competition to stop them.

I don't think you understand the implecations of the world you want to live in.

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

Because sales matter. Ask Sega.

Also, sales mattered a lot to Sony fans years ago. In 2006, 2007, 2008...2009 and so on, I've heard Sony fans saying the PS3 would outsell the 360 and how the PS3 would soon overtake the 360.

Point is, sales matter just as much to Sony fans as they do to 360 fans. The only difference is, 360 fans seem to have more reason to make noise about it.

And I can't wait for ShadowMoses to break out the "LOL I've rustled your jimmies didn't I?!" schtick he uses in practically every thread when someone calls him out.

ShadowMoses900

What does this have to do with Sony fans? I'm talking about games here. And who "called me out"? I think this thread makes you upset for some reason. Are you a secret MS stock holder? Or are you a wannabe pretend stock holder? I can be the latter if you want me to, I own stock in all companies hahaha, I win no matter what.

And no company is going to go the way of Sega, no one is in that position. I don't understand why 360 fanboys such as yourself are obsessed with Sony going down, it's not going to happen, and even if it did it would be REALLY bad for gamers.

MS would raise the cost of XBL into the hundreds and release even more faluty hardware, they would probably sell all their IP's and just do Kinect. Because there would be no competition to stop them.

I don't think you understand the implecations of the world you want to live in.

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

Yes son, my jimmies are so rustled. You are a master at jimmies rusting, the girls must just hang off you the way you rustle jimmies.

Give me proof, give me links, give me quotes, no one accepts an argument without proof. You make the argument, you provide the proof oooorrrr you stfu up, plain and simple. So the proof, I'll wait for it.

I never said PS3 exclusives don't sell, I said they soll mediocore initally and then when they drop to like 20 bucks people pick them up. That's how it works, they are still selling but they have middling first months for big titles. That's not wrong, that's pree much how it works with some excpetions.

ActicEdge

Proof of what? I don't know what your asking for. I already posted a link that shows you why you were wrong about PS3 games selling medicore, both initially and otherwise. It's on the 1st page of that link. I don't really understand it.

Here since I can't yell at you over text I'll let THIS GUY yell at you instead.

I'm not really yelling at you, I'm just having some fun. :P But you would have to have your head in the sand if you've never seen anyone argue sales on here before. And when I proved you wrong you did the same thing.

Halo Wars sells more than Killzone in America and on ... - GameSpot

There you go. That's what I'm talking about.

All your links are 404 errors for me so I dunno if its just me or your links are broken. Forgive me if I am missing something but I litterally can't read anything you're linking me (shrug) Also, a youtube link is not SW, we are in SW I don't give a damn about what some youtube social reject says, I want system warrior proof.

Lol at social reject on the internet, you don't know him, who are you to judge? Your some anonymous guy on the internet, you don't even show your face, what does that make you?

And people talk about sales on here all the freakin time. If your a regular on here you know it, "PS3 Last Place" "X game sold more than Y game" it's like stock wars or something. Just look at people like PSN Jimmy or JohnnyCageMK or Forza.

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

Because sales matter. Ask Sega.

Also, sales mattered a lot to Sony fans years ago. In 2006, 2007, 2008...2009 and so on, I've heard Sony fans saying the PS3 would outsell the 360 and how the PS3 would soon overtake the 360.

Point is, sales matter just as much to Sony fans as they do to 360 fans. The only difference is, 360 fans seem to have more reason to make noise about it.

And I can't wait for ShadowMoses to break out the "LOL I've rustled your jimmies didn't I?!" schtick he uses in practically every thread when someone calls him out.

ShadowMoses900

What does this have to do with Sony fans? I'm talking about games here. And who "called me out"? I think this thread makes you upset for some reason. Are you a secret MS stock holder? Or are you a wannabe pretend stock holder? I can be the latter if you want me to, I own stock in all companies hahaha, I win no matter what.

And no company is going to go the way of Sega, no one is in that position. I don't understand why 360 fanboys such as yourself are obsessed with Sony going down, it's not going to happen, and even if it did it would be REALLY bad for gamers.

MS would raise the cost of XBL into the hundreds and release even more faluty hardware, they would probably sell all their IP's and just do Kinect. Because there would be no competition to stop them.

I don't think you understand the implecations of the world you want to live in.

Ah, right, I forgot about your "baseless claims" tactic. No, I'm not a stockholder, I've never claimed to be. Good job putting words in my mouth instead of actually trying to discredit my argument.

But fine, you want to talk games? Game sales matter because good sales results in money that developers can funnel into other projects such as sequels and other good games. Anyone who thinks otherwise is either a moron or knows nothing about business...or both.

I'm hardly obsessed with Sony "going down" but anyone can see that they're in financial trouble after years of being in the red. Does that mean they're going to go the way of Sega? No, and I've never said they were. Again, stop putting words in my mouth.

If Microsoft's policies and methods of doing business were so terrible, they never would've gained the foothold they did. You know why? Because Sony and Nintendo are their competition. Consumers vote with their wallets and evidently, they're fine with what MS is doing. Exaggerating their faults doesn't discredit that fact. The only people who seem to have a problem with how Microsoft is doing their business is Sony fanboys such as yourself.

So, like I said, sales do matter and everyone should be concerned about them, one way or another.

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

Because sales matter. Ask Sega.

Also, sales mattered a lot to Sony fans years ago. In 2006, 2007, 2008...2009 and so on, I've heard Sony fans saying the PS3 would outsell the 360 and how the PS3 would soon overtake the 360.

Point is, sales matter just as much to Sony fans as they do to 360 fans. The only difference is, 360 fans seem to have more reason to make noise about it.

And I can't wait for ShadowMoses to break out the "LOL I've rustled your jimmies didn't I?!" schtick he uses in practically every thread when someone calls him out.

Judgement-Law

What does this have to do with Sony fans? I'm talking about games here. And who "called me out"? I think this thread makes you upset for some reason. Are you a secret MS stock holder? Or are you a wannabe pretend stock holder? I can be the latter if you want me to, I own stock in all companies hahaha, I win no matter what.

And no company is going to go the way of Sega, no one is in that position. I don't understand why 360 fanboys such as yourself are obsessed with Sony going down, it's not going to happen, and even if it did it would be REALLY bad for gamers.

MS would raise the cost of XBL into the hundreds and release even more faluty hardware, they would probably sell all their IP's and just do Kinect. Because there would be no competition to stop them.

I don't think you understand the implecations of the world you want to live in.

Actually Sony has more Ip's than Nintendo and it sure has more IP's than MS who has the least.

Sony has more IP's than Nintendo and Microsoft-Gamespot.com

So Sony actually has more newer games, which is all that matters, games. Both librarys have overall great libarays of course, but if you want to brag about something that actually matters, you should brag about new games. Something Sony does better than the competition.

Because sales tell us how successful a game or system is, you moron. In turn the success of a game tells us it's cultural and artistic worth as a product, which is why Call of Duty is clearly the greatest video game series ever created. If you disagree, you're obviously a hipster tryhard dumbass.

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

Proof of what? I don't know what your asking for. I already posted a link that shows you why you were wrong about PS3 games selling medicore, both initially and otherwise. It's on the 1st page of that link. I don't really understand it.

Here since I can't yell at you over text I'll let THIS GUY yell at you instead.

I'm not really yelling at you, I'm just having some fun. :P But you would have to have your head in the sand if you've never seen anyone argue sales on here before. And when I proved you wrong you did the same thing.

Halo Wars sells more than Killzone in America and on ... - GameSpot

There you go. That's what I'm talking about.

ShadowMoses900

All your links are 404 errors for me so I dunno if its just me or your links are broken. Forgive me if I am missing something but I litterally can't read anything you're linking me (shrug) Also, a youtube link is not SW, we are in SW I don't give a damn about what some youtube social reject says, I want system warrior proof.

Lol at social reject on the internet, you don't know him, who are you to judge? Your some anonymous guy on the internet, you don't even show your face, what does that make you?

And people talk about sales on here all the freakin time. If your a regular on here you know it, "PS3 Last Place" "X game sold more than Y game" it's like stock wars or something. Just look at people like PSN Jimmy or JohnnyCageMK or Forza.

Oh god, I'm not serious here. Do I need to put a tongue and lol after every statemnt to make it so that its obvious I'm playing. The guy on youtube could be a very nice person, the social reject line was simply exagerating that it isn't SW so I don't actually care what he has to say :roll:

Can we like stay on topic though, I want actual quotes and or linked proof (I dunno if you have it, all I get is 400 errors from your GS links though your youtube one worked). You can't just say "I see it all the time and you should know it." I can't debate or converse stuff you speculate on. Assume I'm not here all the time, reading your thread why would I assume anything you said is true without proof? Don't make statements you won't go out and prove basically. PS3 is last place its just facts. Game X sold more than game Y is also a fact, I don't know where the error in that is. Most people who say game X sold well generally follow up by saying that if that many people bought it there must be something appealing about it (this is me being very loose on what they say too) and again, that's also a fact too. Things don't sell if they don't have anything appealing about them. So yeah basically, just give me links and quotes because you are not (no offence) someone (if I even accepted anything people say at face value as truth which I don't SW or otherwise) that I can just take their word as reliable.

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

Because sales matter. Ask Sega.

Also, sales mattered a lot to Sony fans years ago. In 2006, 2007, 2008...2009 and so on, I've heard Sony fans saying the PS3 would outsell the 360 and how the PS3 would soon overtake the 360.

Point is, sales matter just as much to Sony fans as they do to 360 fans. The only difference is, 360 fans seem to have more reason to make noise about it.

And I can't wait for ShadowMoses to break out the "LOL I've rustled your jimmies didn't I?!" schtick he uses in practically every thread when someone calls him out.

The_Game21x

What does this have to do with Sony fans? I'm talking about games here. And who "called me out"? I think this thread makes you upset for some reason. Are you a secret MS stock holder? Or are you a wannabe pretend stock holder? I can be the latter if you want me to, I own stock in all companies hahaha, I win no matter what.

And no company is going to go the way of Sega, no one is in that position. I don't understand why 360 fanboys such as yourself are obsessed with Sony going down, it's not going to happen, and even if it did it would be REALLY bad for gamers.

MS would raise the cost of XBL into the hundreds and release even more faluty hardware, they would probably sell all their IP's and just do Kinect. Because there would be no competition to stop them.

I don't think you understand the implecations of the world you want to live in.

Ah, right, I forgot about your "baseless claims" tactic. No, I'm not a stockholder, I've never claimed to be. Good job putting words in my mouth instead of actually trying to discredit my argument.

But fine, you want to talk games? Game sales matter because good sales results in money that developers can funnel into other projects such as sequels and other good games. Anyone who thinks otherwise is either a moron or knows nothing about business...or both.

I'm hardly obsessed with Sony "going down" but anyone can see that they're in financial trouble after years of being in the red. Does that mean they're going to go the way of Sega? No, and I've never said they were. Again, stop putting words in my mouth.

If Microsoft's policies and methods of doing business were so terrible, they never would've gained the foothold they did. You know why? Because Sony and Nintendo are their competition. Consumers vote with their wallets and evidently, they're fine with what MS is doing. Exaggerating their faults doesn't discredit that fact. The only people who seem to have a problem with how Microsoft is doing their business is Sony fanboys such as yourself.

So, like I said, sales do matter and everyone should be concerned about them, one way or another.

Baseless claims tactics? Your the one talking about Sony being in the red and having no evidence to back that up, and then you talk about being a business expert which like I said everyone on SW is a CEO, how does a multi national corpoartion keep pumping out so many games that sell well and a system that caught up right behing the competition in the red?

Lol that makes no sense. Like you said, consumers vote with their wallets right? Well obviously consumers think PS3 is a pretty damn better product than 360 considering it sales at a faster rate.

Not that I really care, as long as I keep getting plenty of new great games to play I'm happy, which Sony does a far better job at doing than MS. Even Nintendo does a better job at giving people new games to play than MS. Games are what matters, not "who sales more durr".

You seem to take it personally when it comes to these arguments you have with me, tell me did MS outsource your job to India? Is that why your mad?

>asks why people care about sales
>creates thread arguing about sales

stay classy system wars

Because sales tell us how successful a game or system is, you moron. In turn the success of a game tells us it's cultural and artistic worth as a product, which is why Call of Duty is clearly the greatest video game series ever created. If you disagree, you're obviously a hipster tryhard dumbass.

DerpyMcDerp

Yep :P

The best 360 game of all time isn't COD at all actually, it's not even Halo, it's Kinect Adventures, best selling game of all time on 360, beat Halo and beat Gears and beat COD. According to 360 wannabe shareholders on here, sales = quality, so obviously Kinect Adventures = BEST GAME EVER ON 360!

"Kinect Adventures has sold 18 million copies worldwide, making it the best selling game for Xbox 360."

Kinect Adventures - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Like the Lems say, sales matter right? ;)

same thing could be said for game reviews....mems_1224

True, as game reviews are very subjective and not everyone has the same tastes. This is why it's funny to see people get upset at a review, other people have differences of opinion, games are an art form and when it comes to art it's all subjective opinion like music or a painting or even a movie.

There are no real "wrong" answers or opinions. I think Killzone is better than Halo, you obviously think Halo is better than Killzone. Who is right? I am, because I'm more cool. I have 2 platinum trophies, you jelly :cool:

>asks why people care about sales
>creates thread arguing about sales

stay classy system wars

Aljosa23

Too good for system warriors. I know, I'll lecture them while being one myself!!!!

Sales determine if there will be more of the same game, or series, or same developer

lostrib

Usually the console that sells the most gets the most games because it has a bigger userbase. (But that also depends on the power of the system based on its competitors and how much the console sells in comparison to its rivals.)

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

All your links are 404 errors for me so I dunno if its just me or your links are broken. Forgive me if I am missing something but I litterally can't read anything you're linking me (shrug) Also, a youtube link is not SW, we are in SW I don't give a damn about what some youtube social reject says, I want system warrior proof.

ActicEdge

Lol at social reject on the internet, you don't know him, who are you to judge? Your some anonymous guy on the internet, you don't even show your face, what does that make you?

And people talk about sales on here all the freakin time. If your a regular on here you know it, "PS3 Last Place" "X game sold more than Y game" it's like stock wars or something. Just look at people like PSN Jimmy or JohnnyCageMK or Forza.

Oh god, I'm not serious here. Do I need to put a tongue and lol after every statemnt to make it so that its obvious I'm playing. The guy on youtube could be a very nice person, the social reject line was simply exagerating that it isn't SW so I don't actually care what he has to say :roll:

Can we like stay on topic though, I want actual quotes and or linked proof (I dunno if you have it, all I get is 400 errors from your GS links though your youtube one worked). You can't just say "I see it all the time and you should know it." I can't debate or converse stuff you speculate on. Assume I'm not here all the time, reading your thread why would I assume anything you said is true without proof? Don't make statements you won't go out and prove basically. PS3 is last place its just facts. Game X sold more than game Y is also a fact, I don't know where the error in that is. Most people who say game X sold well generally follow up by saying that if that many people bought it there must be something appealing about it (this is me being very loose on what they say too) and again, that's also a fact too. Things don't sell if they don't have anything appealing about them. So yeah basically, just give me links and quotes because you are not (no offence) someone (if I even accepted anything people say at face value as truth which I don't SW or otherwise) that I can just take their word as reliable.

Ask young grass hopper and you shall recieve.

Here: PS3 Exclusives vs. Xbox 360 Exclusives sales - GameSpot.com

I hope that one works.

I often see people on here talk about "X game or system is better than Y because it sold more" but I don't understand that logic.

I have been playing games ever since I was a little kid, and not once did I ever stop and think to myself "oh man this game sold less than that other game, my enjoyment is ruined", it doesn't effect my enjoyment of a game at all.

Who cares if COD sales more than Halo or Killzone? Who cares if 360 sales slightly more than PS3? How does it make your gaming experience any better? Only reason why I would care about sales is if I was a share holder of a company, but alas I am not so I do not care.

And no one here is a share holder either, so what do you get out of it if a game sales more on one platform or another, or another game outsells your favorite? Your still going to enjoy your game regardless right?

It's never really made sense to me. I fail to see how that is a form of "ownage".

ShadowMoses900

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

Ah, right, I forgot about your "baseless claims" tactic. No, I'm not a stockholder, I've never claimed to be. Good job putting words in my mouth instead of actually trying to discredit my argument.

But fine, you want to talk games? Game sales matter because good sales results in money that developers can funnel into other projects such as sequels and other good games. Anyone who thinks otherwise is either a moron or knows nothing about business...or both.

I'm hardly obsessed with Sony "going down" but anyone can see that they're in financial trouble after years of being in the red. Does that mean they're going to go the way of Sega? No, and I've never said they were. Again, stop putting words in my mouth.

If Microsoft's policies and methods of doing business were so terrible, they never would've gained the foothold they did. You know why? Because Sony and Nintendo are their competition. Consumers vote with their wallets and evidently, they're fine with what MS is doing. Exaggerating their faults doesn't discredit that fact. The only people who seem to have a problem with how Microsoft is doing their business is Sony fanboys such as yourself.

So, like I said, sales do matter and everyone should be concerned about them, one way or another.

ShadowMoses900

Baseless claims tactics? Your the one talking about Sony being in the red and having no evidence to back that up, and then you talk about being a business expert which like I said everyone on SW is a CEO, how does a multi national corpoartion keep pumping out so many games that sell well and a system that caught up right behing the competition in the red?

Lol that makes no sense. Like you said, consumers vote with their wallets right? Well obviously consumers think PS3 is a pretty damn better product than 360 considering it sales at a faster rate.

Not that I really care, as long as I keep getting plenty of new great games to play I'm happy, which Sony does a far better job at doing than MS. Even Nintendo does a better job at giving people new games to play than MS. Games are what matters, not "who sales more durr".

You seem to take it personally when it comes to these arguments you have with me, tell me did MS outsource your job to India? Is that why your mad?

:lol: Now you're calling me a business expert. I've never claimed to be a business expert, I just know what I'm talking about when I talk business and finances.

How can I claim I know what I'm talking about? Because I can back it up. This is Sony's 4th straight year of being in the red, just like I said. Do some research before running your mouth next time.

And once again, you go with the 360 has no games fallacy even though it has had more A+ games this year than the PS3 has. The 360 has games and sales. Once again, do your research before speaking up. Remember, it's better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt. :wink:

This is so weird, every link is broken. Can you post just the address so I can copy and paste it? (hates gs' terribad forum code)

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

Ah, right, I forgot about your "baseless claims" tactic. No, I'm not a stockholder, I've never claimed to be. Good job putting words in my mouth instead of actually trying to discredit my argument.

But fine, you want to talk games? Game sales matter because good sales results in money that developers can funnel into other projects such as sequels and other good games. Anyone who thinks otherwise is either a moron or knows nothing about business...or both.

I'm hardly obsessed with Sony "going down" but anyone can see that they're in financial trouble after years of being in the red. Does that mean they're going to go the way of Sega? No, and I've never said they were. Again, stop putting words in my mouth.

If Microsoft's policies and methods of doing business were so terrible, they never would've gained the foothold they did. You know why? Because Sony and Nintendo are their competition. Consumers vote with their wallets and evidently, they're fine with what MS is doing. Exaggerating their faults doesn't discredit that fact. The only people who seem to have a problem with how Microsoft is doing their business is Sony fanboys such as yourself.

So, like I said, sales do matter and everyone should be concerned about them, one way or another.

The_Game21x

Baseless claims tactics? Your the one talking about Sony being in the red and having no evidence to back that up, and then you talk about being a business expert which like I said everyone on SW is a CEO, how does a multi national corpoartion keep pumping out so many games that sell well and a system that caught up right behing the competition in the red?

Lol that makes no sense. Like you said, consumers vote with their wallets right? Well obviously consumers think PS3 is a pretty damn better product than 360 considering it sales at a faster rate.

Not that I really care, as long as I keep getting plenty of new great games to play I'm happy, which Sony does a far better job at doing than MS. Even Nintendo does a better job at giving people new games to play than MS. Games are what matters, not "who sales more durr".

You seem to take it personally when it comes to these arguments you have with me, tell me did MS outsource your job to India? Is that why your mad?

:lol: Now you're calling me a business expert. I've never claimed to be a business expert, I just know what I'm talking about when I talk business and finances.

How can I claim I know what I'm talking about? Because I can back it up. This is Sony's 4th straight year of being in the red, just like I said. Do some research before running your mouth next time.

And once again, you go with the 360 has no games fallacy even though it has had more A+ games this year than the PS3 has. The 360 has games and sales. Once again, do your research before speaking up. Remember, it's better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt. :wink:

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

Lol at social reject on the internet, you don't know him, who are you to judge? Your some anonymous guy on the internet, you don't even show your face, what does that make you?

And people talk about sales on here all the freakin time. If your a regular on here you know it, "PS3 Last Place" "X game sold more than Y game" it's like stock wars or something. Just look at people like PSN Jimmy or JohnnyCageMK or Forza.

ShadowMoses900

Oh god, I'm not serious here. Do I need to put a tongue and lol after every statemnt to make it so that its obvious I'm playing. The guy on youtube could be a very nice person, the social reject line was simply exagerating that it isn't SW so I don't actually care what he has to say :roll:

Can we like stay on topic though, I want actual quotes and or linked proof (I dunno if you have it, all I get is 400 errors from your GS links though your youtube one worked). You can't just say "I see it all the time and you should know it." I can't debate or converse stuff you speculate on. Assume I'm not here all the time, reading your thread why would I assume anything you said is true without proof? Don't make statements you won't go out and prove basically. PS3 is last place its just facts. Game X sold more than game Y is also a fact, I don't know where the error in that is. Most people who say game X sold well generally follow up by saying that if that many people bought it there must be something appealing about it (this is me being very loose on what they say too) and again, that's also a fact too. Things don't sell if they don't have anything appealing about them. So yeah basically, just give me links and quotes because you are not (no offence) someone (if I even accepted anything people say at face value as truth which I don't SW or otherwise) that I can just take their word as reliable.

Ask young grass hopper and you shall recieve.

Here: PS3 Exclusives vs. Xbox 360 Exclusives sales - GameSpot.com

I hope that one works.

None of your links will work, probably because you are set to a different post per page limit. The default of users is 20, and when you change that, you risk this happening to all your links.

I found all of your threads the hard way though....but yeah, since no one diagnosed your problem, I figured I would take a stab at the reason your GS links won't work. If that's not the problem, I cant help you then. I would check that. I don't like Sales threads, and this thread is going to turn into one right quick.

higher sales = more patches, more DLC, more overall support