Why do people hate on Madden?

Lots of posters also try to pass the franchise off as casual, wtf? This years game is deep with lots of play modes, and a very deep, complex control system, so why the casual label? I'm aware that some Madden players are bandwagon jumpers, you know the type, the people that go out and buy Super Bowl champs gear every year, but some of us actually love the NFL and devote lots of time playing this game.

What makes this or any complex controlled sports game any less hardcore than say the average fps with three buttons: jump, shoot, and grab? Or any other game for that matter?

I don't hate on Madden

I hate sports games in general

It's buggy as s---, other than that it's pretty cool.

bez2083

That's not my point, the series is generally hated on bigtime and called casual quite often. I'm wondering what those people that call it casual, think is a hardcore game?

Is it sports haters in general saying this, or is it a valid argument?

I don't know about "people" but my particular beef is that ESPN 2K5 stomped madden into the ground in sales and quality and instead of making a better game they bought the rights to the NFL and cranked out 3 years of crappy Madden titles in a row.

Madden 09 - 86% at Gamrankings

Doesn't sound like a waste of 60 bucks a lot of people here say it is...also why hate on the fact it sold millions of copies so far? It rated a "GREAT" game.

Most games are buggy, have you played Oblivion or GTA IV?

That's not my point, the series is generally hated on bigtime and called casual quite often. I'm wondering what those people that call it casual, think is a hardcore game?

Is it sports haters in general saying this, or is it a valid argument?

Bigboi500

I don't hate on Madden

I hate sports games in general

killerfist

This.... If I want to play sports I get some friends and do it outside.

The "hate" is more generally directed towards EA and releasing a new game every year with minimal upgrades and charging $60 for it.foxhound_fox

They barely try to upgrade their games or change it around. The same is true for almost all of their sports games.

Heck we've got to the stage now whereby they could just release a content pack every year for $10, with upgraded teams and jerseys etc, and there would be no difference between the content upgrade and a new full game.

But greed gets the better of them each time.

The "hate" is more generally directed towards EA and releasing a new game every year with minimal upgrades and charging $60 for it.foxhound_fox

The only thing i hate about Madden is it's preventing other companies from making NFL Football games. I'd like to have the option to choose from 2-3 other football games besides Madden. It sucks. blackace

I don't hate on Madden

I hate sports games in general

killerfist

Thats like 99% of Madden haters.

The "hate" is more generally directed towards EA and releasing a new game every year with minimal upgrades and charging $60 for it.foxhound_fox

When has sports gaming not had yearly releases though? Even going back to the Genesis, those basketball and sports games came out every year. People act like yearly sports games is some new concept thats was only invented in the past 2 years.

Even NBA Jam had yearly releases and that game isn't even a sim.

Most of the hate is from people who have no interest in football or who just generally don't like sports. They can't comprehend why a sports game yeah get this why a sports game which targets a larger demographi then the vast majority of games sell more.

You always see it. But but there are so many better games then Madden. Yeah and there are a lot worst games out there as well. People don't even realize the depth and skill that lies within Madden. Its probably more then the vast vast majority of games out there.

When has sports gaming not had yearly releases though? Even going back to the Genesis, those basketball and sports games came out every year. People act like yearly sports games is some new concept thats was only invented in the past 2 years.

Even NBA Jam had yearly releases and that game isn't even a sim.

Senor_Kami

Most of the hate is from people who have no interest in football or who just generally don't like sports.

Blackbond

hold on :o

I like football (the european kind) or any sport for that matter

I just dislike sports games. I'd rather play some shooters or adventures etc.

[spoiler] you just had to say something, right? I told you, it's hard to leave SW just like that:P [/spoiler]

I don't know about "people" but my particular beef is that ESPN 2K5 stomped madden into the ground in sales and quality and instead of making a better game they bought the rights to the NFL and cranked out 3 years of crappy Madden titles in a row.

Riverwolf007

[QUOTE="Senor_Kami"]

When has sports gaming not had yearly releases though? Even going back to the Genesis, those basketball and sports games came out every year. People act like yearly sports games is some new concept thats was only invented in the past 2 years.

Even NBA Jam had yearly releases and that game isn't even a sim.

foxhound_fox

We can tell you havent played Madden the past 3 years.

[QUOTE="Senor_Kami"]

When has sports gaming not had yearly releases though? Even going back to the Genesis, those basketball and sports games came out every year. People act like yearly sports games is some new concept thats was only invented in the past 2 years.

Even NBA Jam had yearly releases and that game isn't even a sim.

foxhound_fox

Outside of the year where they jumped from 2D to 3D, there weren't significant upgrades in graphics or gameplay. Its always been one or two new features. Then the next year they (they as in everyone) copy what the competition did and add in one or two new features.

Where are these same people when yet another FPS thats the same as all the others is released?

Sports games and RPGs are the only genres that get bashed because every game doesn't completely re-invent the genre.

We can tell you havent played Madden the past 3 years.CubanBlunt

[QUOTE="CubanBlunt"]We can tell you havent played Madden the past 3 years.foxhound_fox

You must think people that play sports game dont play sport, play someone that dont know football, then play someone that dose know football. People that know the real game are better at if.

And for your comment, until you played the game, you really have no room to comment!

I don't really hate the series, but I don't like it either. Then again, I'm not really into sports games in general. I love to play soccer, but I haven't found myself enjoying even a soccer video game, so its not that I don't like sports.

That being said, I've tried playing a lot of sports games but just really couldn't get into any of them. Just personal preference, I guess.

The only thing i hate about Madden is it's preventing other companies from making NFL Football games. I'd like to have the option to choose from 2-3 other football games besides Madden. It sucks. blackace

This is my most hated comment about Madden. Know the Story before you make a comment. The NFL put the license up for bid. I guess it's EA's fault because they have more money then 2K Sports.

How can a game be casual when every year EA Sports holds The Madden Challenge (a tournament that is BIGGER then any other video game tournament) in X amount of cities. IMO, It doesnt get more "hardcore" than Madden and there is no FPS that can touch Madden. Madden is the most competitive game out there. Name 2 game that can draw a crowd like Madden can.

How can a game be casual when every year EA Sports holds The Madden Challenge (a tournament that is BIGGER then any other video game tournament) in X amount of cities. IMO, It doesnt get more "hardcore" than Madden and there is no FPS that can touch Madden. Madden is the most competitive game out there. Name 2 game that can draw a crowd like Madden can.

Vectah_Sigma

[QUOTE="Vectah_Sigma"]

How can a game be casual when every year EA Sports holds The Madden Challenge (a tournament that is BIGGER then any other video game tournament) in X amount of cities. IMO, It doesnt get more "hardcore" than Madden and there is no FPS that can touch Madden. Madden is the most competitive game out there. Name 2 game that can draw a crowd like Madden can.

Skittles_McGee

Smash and Halo Tournaments are not as big as the Madden Challenge which spans the entire nation in multiple cities. The only game I can think of that has a bigger competitive scene then Madden is Starcraft in Korea. Because lets be serious its a sport over there. Madden has evolved into more then a game. Its American Culture.

[QUOTE="Skittles_McGee"][QUOTE="Vectah_Sigma"]

How can a game be casual when every year EA Sports holds The Madden Challenge (a tournament that is BIGGER then any other video game tournament) in X amount of cities. IMO, It doesnt get more "hardcore" than Madden and there is no FPS that can touch Madden. Madden is the most competitive game out there. Name 2 game that can draw a crowd like Madden can.

Blackbond

Smash and Halo Tournaments are not as big as the Madden Challenge which spans the entire nation in multiple cities. The only game I can think of that has a bigger competitive scene then Madden is Starcraft in Korea. Because lets be serious its a sport over there. Madden has evolved into more then a game. Its American Culture.

At any rate, he asked a question and I answered.

[QUOTE="Skittles_McGee"][QUOTE="Vectah_Sigma"]

How can a game be casual when every year EA Sports holds The Madden Challenge (a tournament that is BIGGER then any other video game tournament) in X amount of cities. IMO, It doesnt get more "hardcore" than Madden and there is no FPS that can touch Madden. Madden is the most competitive game out there. Name 2 game that can draw a crowd like Madden can.

Blackbond

Smash and Halo Tournaments are not as big as the Madden Challenge which spans the entire nation in multiple cities. The only game I can think of that has a bigger competitive scene then Madden is Starcraft in Korea. Because lets be serious its a sport over there. Madden has evolved into more then a game. Its American Culture.

I agree with that!

Edit: Madden is a sport, and I dont mean American Football

Madden games are good for people who are hardcore football fans. If you are familier with the teams, formations, blitz packages, the routes, madden can be very complex. However I can see somebody that is a hardcore gamer but not into football not get that much out of it. I happen to be a big football fan so I make sure I pick up Madden once or twice a generation.

So yeah, Madden is for hardcore football fans, not necessarily hardcore gamers.

Madden games are good for people who are hardcore football fans. If you are familier with the teams, formations, blitz packages, the routes, madden can be very complex. However I can see somebody that is a hardcore gamer but not into football not get that much out of it. I happen to be a big football fan so I make sure I pick up Madden once or twice a generation.

So yeah, Madden is for hardcore football fans, not necessarily hardcore gamers.

DaBrainz

that sums it up right there.

Madden games are good for people who are hardcore football fans. If you are familier with the teams, formations, blitz packages, the routes, madden can be very complex. However I can see somebody that is a hardcore gamer but not into football not get that much out of it. I happen to be a big football fan so I make sure I pick up Madden once or twice a generation.

So yeah, Madden is for hardcore football fans, not necessarily hardcore gamers.

DaBrainz

So what???? Hardcore Football fans cant be Hardcore Gamers???

[QUOTE="blackace"]The only thing i hate about Madden is it's preventing other companies from making NFL Football games. I'd like to have the option to choose from 2-3 other football games besides Madden. It sucks. Vectah_Sigma

This is my most hated comment about Madden. Know the Story before you make a comment. The NFL put the license up for bid. I guess it's EA's fault because they have more money then 2K Sports.

[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]

I don't know about "people" but my particular beef is that ESPN 2K5 stomped madden into the ground in sales and quality and instead of making a better game they bought the rights to the NFL and cranked out 3 years of crappy Madden titles in a row.

jg4xchamp

Madden has the laggiest PoS servers in existance, that's why!patriots7672

Most of the hate is from people who have no interest in football or who just generally don't like sports. They can't comprehend why a sports game yeah get this why a sports game which targets a larger demographi then the vast majority of games sell more.

You always see it. But but there are so many better games then Madden. Yeah and there are a lot worst games out there as well. People don't even realize the depth and skill that lies within Madden. Its probably more then the vast vast majority of games out there.

Blackbond

No, I love playing football. I use to play for my high school football team, but not interest in Madden

[QUOTE="Blackbond"]

Most of the hate is from people who have no interest in football or who just generally don't like sports. They can't comprehend why a sports game yeah get this why a sports game which targets a larger demographi then the vast majority of games sell more.

You always see it. But but there are so many better games then Madden. Yeah and there are a lot worst games out there as well. People don't even realize the depth and skill that lies within Madden. Its probably more then the vast vast majority of games out there.

dark-warmachine

No, I love playing football. I use to play for my high school football team, but not interest in Madden

BS. How can you play High School ball and hate Madden

I don't know about "people" but my particular beef is that ESPN 2K5 stomped madden into the ground in sales and quality and instead of making a better game they bought the rights to the NFL and cranked out 3 years of crappy Madden titles in a row.

Riverwolf007

what he said. competition breeds excellence. without competitors, madden will continue to be the same lousy game every year. this is the first year i havent bought madden and i dont plan on ever buying it again unless ea loses the exclusive nfl license

[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]

I don't know about "people" but my particular beef is that ESPN 2K5 stomped madden into the ground in sales and quality and instead of making a better game they bought the rights to the NFL and cranked out 3 years of crappy Madden titles in a row.

Laxer04

what he said. competition breeds excellence. without competitors, madden will continue to be the same lousy game every year. this is the first year i havent bought madden and i dont plan on ever buying it again unless ea loses the exclusive nfl license

Then don't play Madden and while you're at it don't play ESPN 2k Baseball.

I don't know about "people" but my particular beef is that ESPN 2K5 stomped madden into the ground in sales and quality and instead of making a better game they bought the rights to the NFL and cranked out 3 years of crappy Madden titles in a row.

Riverwolf007

Funny,Take Two did the same to MLB, and now MLB 2K series is just garbage, even though MVP Baseball was the superior gam.

Madden games are good for people who are hardcore football fans. If you are familier with the teams, formations, blitz packages, the routes, madden can be very complex. However I can see somebody that is a hardcore gamer but not into football not get that much out of it. I happen to be a big football fan so I make sure I pick up Madden once or twice a generation.

So yeah, Madden is for hardcore football fans, not necessarily hardcore gamers.

DaBrainz