why do people keep saying 360 gaming is dead?

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#1 hyperjayson
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elpresador, some pc fanboys, and ALOT of ps3 fanboys keeps saying that killzone killed xbox, xbox died cuz of red ring, yearly payments etc etc...

what people dont see though is that ps3 is still in last place, pc gaming is still expensive and complicated with device driver upgrade dx 10, compatible operating systems, not to mention thefact that halo 3 sold more than resistance 1, resistance 2, killzone 2, god of war 3 uncharted 1 and uncharted 2 COMBINED, 6 top games..

how can a console be "dead" when the opposition's critically acclaimed games cant even outsell 1 exclusive , now now, i know what your thinking, and no, i do not wish to start a flame war, its just annoying to see pc and ps3 fanboys bash the xbox and call it dead when the numbers say otherwise

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#2 mitu123
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3 words:

Lacks future exclusives.

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#3 hyperjayson
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3 words:

Lacks future exclusives.

mitu123

well then tell me, what does the ps3 lineup for next year besides killzone 3?

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#5 FIipMode
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Correction, you mean Halo 3 outsold R1, R2, K2, GOW3 U1 and 2 combined in America only.

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#6 bobcheeseball
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Because here in SW games like Mass Effect or Splinter Cell or any multiplat doesn't count for anything. So the 360 is doing poorly here, yet in the real world its doing just fine.

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#7 Chris_Williams
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[QUOTE="mitu123"]

3 words:

Lacks future exclusives.

hyperjayson

well then tell me, what does the ps3 lineup for next year besides killzone 3?

will you guys allow me to do the honor?... alright, Last guardian, infamous 2, lbp2, the agent, dc universe "though not exclusive eh", gran turismo 4, twisted metal" and some of these are coming out in the next months, so besides halo and gears what should i be excited for on my 360?
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you know at first i thought sony fans were bad but lately i changed my mind, microsoft fanboys are the worst of the worst, why do you care what people say anyway?

Chris_Williams

No, PS3 fanboys are the worst. They always make claims with absolutely no proof to back them up.

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elpresador, some pc fanboys, and ALOT of ps3 fanboys keeps saying that killzone killed xbox, xbox died cuz of red ring, yearly payments etc etc...

what people dont see though is that ps3 is still in last place, pc gaming is still expensive and complicated with device driver upgrade dx 10, compatible operating systems, not to mention thefact that halo 3 sold more than resistance 1, resistance 2, killzone 2, god of war 3 uncharted 1 and uncharted 2 COMBINED, 6 top games..

how can a console be "dead" when the opposition's critically acclaimed games cant even outsell 1 exclusive , now now, i know what your thinking, and no, i do not wish to start a flame war, its just annoying to see pc and ps3 fanboys bash the xbox and call it dead when the numbers say otherwise

hyperjayson

wut

It helps your thread if you don't riddle it with exaggerations.

I suppose I should answer- It's the internet, why does anyone care what anyone says?

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#10 Silverbond
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[QUOTE="hyperjayson"]

[QUOTE="mitu123"]

3 words:

Lacks future exclusives.

Chris_Williams

well then tell me, what does the ps3 lineup for next year besides killzone 3?

will you guys allow me to do the honor?... alright, Last guardian, infamous 2, lbp2, the agent, dc universe "though not exclusive eh", gran turismo 4, twisted metal" and some of these are coming out in the next months, so besides halo and gears what should i be excited for on my 360?

He was talking about next year. The PS3 has Killzone 3, inFAMOUS 2, and I'm not sure if it has anything else confirmed or not.

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#11 Chris_Williams
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[QUOTE="Chris_Williams"]

you know at first i thought sony fans were bad but lately i changed my mind, microsoft fanboys are the worst of the worst, why do you care what people say anyway?

yodaddyninja

No, PS3 fanboys are the worst. They always make claims with absolutely no proof to back them up.

and what is the TC doing? you know what all fanboys are the worst, done
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#12 MassiveKaos
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[QUOTE="hyperjayson"]

[QUOTE="mitu123"]

3 words:

Lacks future exclusives.

Chris_Williams

well then tell me, what does the ps3 lineup for next year besides killzone 3?

will you guys allow me to do the honor?... alright, Last guardian, infamous 2, lbp2, the agent, dc universe "though not exclusive eh", gran turismo 4, twisted metal" and some of these are coming out in the next months, so besides halo and gears what should i be excited for on my 360?

Next year?

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#13 SaltyMeatballs
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It all goes back to '85, when I started getting... wait what!? Err... I dunno. It's looking solid to me.
Correction, you mean Halo 3 outsold R1, R2, K2, GOW3 and U1 in America only.FIipMode
Outsold those overall.
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Because it´s cool to bash MS stuff

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[QUOTE="SaltyMeatballs"]It all goes back to '85, when I started getting... wait what!? Err... I dunno. It's looking solid to me. [QUOTE="FIipMode"]Correction, you mean Halo 3 outsold R1, R2, K2, GOW3 and U1 in America only.Chris_Williams
Outsold those overall.

okay, i just gotta say it, what has sony done to you? have they hurt you somehow? because everytime you post something its always a jab against the sony, so i'm just curious and have you ever owned a ps3 to bad mouthed all the time

How's he bashing Sony?

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Correction, you mean Halo 3 outsold R1, R2, K2, GOW3 and U1 in America only.FIipMode
Not sure if serious :|

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#18 FIipMode
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[QUOTE="FIipMode"]Correction, you mean Halo 3 outsold R1, R2, K2, GOW3 and U1 in America only.SaltyMeatballs
Outsold those overall.

No when Greenburg said that he was talking about NPD only.

"Halo 3 has outsold Resistance 1 + 2, Uncharted 1+2, Killzone 2 and God of War III COMBINED….wow."

I mean I know I don't have up to date worldwide sales for these 7 games, do you?

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Because here in SW games like Mass Effect or Splinter Cell or any multiplat doesn't count for anything. So the 360 is doing poorly here, yet in the real world its doing just fine.

bobcheeseball
You couldn't be more correct sir. And what is funny is that there is still the Tokyo Game Show later on at the end of the year and Microsoft has been doing pretty good with announcements and showing stuff off at Comic Con. Microsoft made a blunder in focusing so heavily on Kinect during E3 but I highly doubt this will spell the end of the Xbox as we know it. Also I love how people only focus on Halo Reach and Gears 3 but fail to forget that 343 Studios has something upcoming, Crytek is working on an exclusive, and is said to be working on something as well. What is funny is that a number of these Sony games coming up we've known about for some time now (Last Guardian, Gran Turismo 5, ect).
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#20 Chris_Williams
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[QUOTE="Chris_Williams"][QUOTE="SaltyMeatballs"] Outsold those overall.yodaddyninja

okay, i just gotta say it, what has sony done to you? have they hurt you somehow? because everytime you post something its always a jab against the sony, so i'm just curious and have you ever owned a ps3 to bad mouthed all the time

How's he bashing Sony?

he usually does in topics just asking him if he had owned a ps3, is all friend
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#21 omho88
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Are you making things up TC ?

I never so anybody saying the x360 gaming is dead, of course i can see criticisim here and there, but i never saw anyone going this far :? .

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[QUOTE="Chris_Williams"][QUOTE="SaltyMeatballs"]It all goes back to '85, when I started getting... wait what!? Err... I dunno. It's looking solid to me.
Correction, you mean Halo 3 outsold R1, R2, K2, GOW3 and U1 in America only.FIipMode
Outsold those overall.

okay, i just gotta say it, what has sony done to you? have they hurt you somehow? because everytime you post something its always a jab against the sony, so i'm just curious and have you ever owned a ps3 to bad mouthed all the time

Ha, you guys crack me up. Similar question could be asked to you, why do you care so much about my post, why does it hurt you so much? Typical. It was just a misunderstanding, I did not see he was talking about combined sales, which worldwide I doubt. But it outsold those games separately for sure, which is what I was stating.
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[QUOTE="FIipMode"]Correction, you mean Halo 3 outsold R1, R2, K2, GOW3 and U1 in America only.MassiveKaos

Not sure if serious :|

Why wouldn't I be serious?
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#24 SaltyMeatballs
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[QUOTE="MassiveKaos"]

[QUOTE="FIipMode"]Correction, you mean Halo 3 outsold R1, R2, K2, GOW3 and U1 in America only.FIipMode

Not sure if serious :|

Why wouldn't I be serious?

You might want to also add the "combined" part to your post.
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#25 WiiMan21
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I don't play sales.

Even though I do agree that Halo is a great game, its not enough for me to buy a 360 for.

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#26 FIipMode
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[QUOTE="FIipMode"][QUOTE="MassiveKaos"]Not sure if serious :|

SaltyMeatballs

Why wouldn't I be serious?

You might want to also add the "combined" part to your post.

Reading the TC's post my man here Massivekaos should have known exactly what I was talking about, but I'll edit so there isn't any more confusion.

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[QUOTE="Chris_Williams"][QUOTE="SaltyMeatballs"]It all goes back to '85, when I started getting... wait what!? Err... I dunno. It's looking solid to me.
Correction, you mean Halo 3 outsold R1, R2, K2, GOW3 and U1 in America only.FIipMode
Outsold those overall.

okay, i just gotta say it, what has sony done to you? have they hurt you somehow? because everytime you post something its always a jab against the sony, so i'm just curious and have you ever owned a ps3 to bad mouthed all the time

it could be a backlash thing resulting from all the cow nonsense over the years. I will say though that cows have quieted down significantly (thankfully). You still do see the occasional silly topics (in fact there's one up right now from a Level 1 poster...go figure). edit: Make that 2 topics. Both attacking the 360. User nrawta seems to be on a suicide run with his topics. I think that right now things are kind of equal with the trash talking.
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#28 mlbslugger86
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its not,they just like causing some mischief

even though my 360 is dead though:(

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#29 linkin_guy109
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what? O.o the only arguments i hear is that pc gaming is dead, but then again when i see people who say stuff thats so far from the truth that it makes me laugh i tend to just forget about it

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#30 MassiveKaos
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[QUOTE="SaltyMeatballs"][QUOTE="FIipMode"] Why wouldn't I be serious?FIipMode

You might want to also add the "combined" part to your post.

Reading the TC's post my man here Massivekaos should have known exactly what I was talking about, but I'll edit so there isn't any more confusion.

My bad :P I saw "elpresador" and said wtf then stopped reading.

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[QUOTE="Chris_Williams"][QUOTE="SaltyMeatballs"] Outsold those overall.Fumpa
okay, i just gotta say it, what has sony done to you? have they hurt you somehow? because everytime you post something its always a jab against the sony, so i'm just curious and have you ever owned a ps3 to bad mouthed all the time

it could be a backlash thing resulting from all the cow nonsense over the years. I will say though that cows have quieted down significantly (thankfully). You still do see the occasional silly topics (in fact there's one up right now from a Level 1 poster...go figure). edit: Make that 2 topics. Both attacking the 360. User nrawta seems to be on a suicide run with his topics. I think that right now things are kind of equal with the trash talking.

The trash talk is somewhat equal, but cows always make things up and make claims that they cannot prove. I lost count of how many "PS3 is stronger" or "PS3 will beat XBOX360 in 2 years" topics I've seen.

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#32 FIipMode
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[QUOTE="FIipMode"]

[QUOTE="SaltyMeatballs"] You might want to also add the "combined" part to your post.MassiveKaos

Reading the TC's post my man here Massivekaos should have known exactly what I was talking about, but I'll edit so there isn't any more confusion.

My bad :P I saw elpresedor and said wtf then stopped reading.

It took all the power in me to read his whole post too :P

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#33 hyperjayson
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sorry, guys i have no personal hatred towards the ps3 or pc, its the fanboys i hate...

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#34 HavocV3
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because there's always a dumb person or group of dumb people who live up to their name by saying dumb things like that.

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#35 clone01
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[QUOTE="hyperjayson"]

[QUOTE="mitu123"]

3 words:

Lacks future exclusives.

well then tell me, what does the ps3 lineup for next year besides killzone 3?

LBP2, infamous 2. 360 is far from dead, imo, but sony seems to put more muscle behind exclusives. not that it matters a whole lot, as i think a lot of multiplats this gen are my favorites.
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#36 clone01
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sorry, guys i have no personal hatred towards the ps3 or pc, its the fanboys i hate...

hyperjayson
fanboys are never good. i always try to look objectively at the offerings for each company.
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360 gaming isn't dead but I wish it was, subscription based p2p play is indanger of becoming a standard. **** that, and **** M$.

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[QUOTE="Chris_Williams"]

you know at first i thought sony fans were bad but lately i changed my mind, microsoft fanboys are the worst of the worst, why do you care what people say anyway?

yodaddyninja

No, PS3 fanboys are the worst. They always make claims with absolutely no proof to back them up.

All fanboys do that.

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360 gaming isn't dead but I wish it was, subscription based p2p play is indanger of becoming a standard. **** that, and **** M$.

Kan0nF0dder

funny how you spell MS with a dollar sig, considreing theyre not the one who tried to sell you a 600 dollar system....

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#40 Kan0nF0dder
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[QUOTE="Kan0nF0dder"]

360 gaming isn't dead but I wish it was, subscription based p2p play is indanger of becoming a standard. **** that, and **** M$.

hyperjayson

funny how you spell MS with a dollar sig, considreing theyre not the one who tried to sell you a 600 dollar system....

That 600 dollar system cost Sony more than 600$, p2p gaming doesn't cost M$ jack. Try again.
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#41 hyperjayson
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[QUOTE="hyperjayson"]

[QUOTE="Kan0nF0dder"]

360 gaming isn't dead but I wish it was, subscription based p2p play is indanger of becoming a standard. **** that, and **** M$.

Kan0nF0dder

funny how you spell MS with a dollar sig, considreing theyre not the one who tried to sell you a 600 dollar system....

That 600 dollar system cost Sony more than 600$, p2p gaming doesn't cost M$ jack. Try again.

so so? sony still charged 600 bucks and microsoft always make deals with developers to get timed exclusives and arcade titles....recent one was the resurgence map pack for mw2....

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[QUOTE="Kan0nF0dder"][QUOTE="hyperjayson"]

funny how you spell MS with a dollar sig, considreing theyre not the one who tried to sell you a 600 dollar system....

hyperjayson

That 600 dollar system cost Sony more than 600$, p2p gaming doesn't cost M$ jack. Try again.

so so? sony still charged 600 bucks and microsoft always make deals with developers to get timed exclusives and arcade titles....recent one was the resurgence map pack for mw2....

Hey man, you're the one who brought up the 600 dollar price point, implying Sony was willingly ripping people off. I corrected you, it was sold at a loss, a big loss. Incidently, M$ don't stop with the p2p charge, next on the $$$ list comes the HDs, why can't I use any old external HD, they're all the same. Does Sony make offical HDs which they vastly overcharge for, while simultaneously locking out 3rd part HDs (who woulda thunk it, M$ trying to monopolise?).
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[QUOTE="hyperjayson"]

[QUOTE="Kan0nF0dder"] That 600 dollar system cost Sony more than 600$, p2p gaming doesn't cost M$ jack. Try again.Kan0nF0dder

so so? sony still charged 600 bucks and microsoft always make deals with developers to get timed exclusives and arcade titles....recent one was the resurgence map pack for mw2....

Hey man, you're the one who brought up the 600 dollar price point, implying Sony was willingly ripping people off. I corrected you, it was sold at a loss, a big loss. Incidently, M$ don't stop with the p2p charge, next on the $$$ list comes the HDs, why can't I use any old external HD, they're all the same. Does Sony make offical HDs which they vastly overcharge for, while simultaneously locking out 3rd part HDs (who woulda thunk it, M$ trying to monopolise?).

course they are, what company dont monopolise? do you think wal mart buys those empty lots to build a playground? or do you think macdonalds feed those cows to give to poor countries? all companies monopolise....

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#44 Kan0nF0dder
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[QUOTE="Kan0nF0dder"][QUOTE="hyperjayson"]

so so? sony still charged 600 bucks and microsoft always make deals with developers to get timed exclusives and arcade titles....recent one was the resurgence map pack for mw2....

hyperjayson

Hey man, you're the one who brought up the 600 dollar price point, implying Sony was willingly ripping people off. I corrected you, it was sold at a loss, a big loss. Incidently, M$ don't stop with the p2p charge, next on the $$$ list comes the HDs, why can't I use any old external HD, they're all the same. Does Sony make offical HDs which they vastly overcharge for, while simultaneously locking out 3rd part HDs (who woulda thunk it, M$ trying to monopolise?).

course they are, what company dont monopolise? do you think wal mart buys those empty lots to build a playground? or do you think macdonalds feed those cows to give to poor countries? all companies monopolise....

Agreed, all do. But it's up to the consumer to decide what is over the line. For me personally, some of M$ business startegies are so far past the line, that , well....I just hate the 360, and I worry that Nintendo and Sony will see them ripping people off successfully and copy those strategies.

Edit: Hot sig btw 8)

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[QUOTE="hyperjayson"]

[QUOTE="Kan0nF0dder"] Hey man, you're the one who brought up the 600 dollar price point, implying Sony was willingly ripping people off. I corrected you, it was sold at a loss, a big loss. Incidently, M$ don't stop with the p2p charge, next on the $$$ list comes the HDs, why can't I use any old external HD, they're all the same. Does Sony make offical HDs which they vastly overcharge for, while simultaneously locking out 3rd part HDs (who woulda thunk it, M$ trying to monopolise?).Kan0nF0dder

course they are, what company dont monopolise? do you think wal mart buys those empty lots to build a playground? or do you think macdonalds feed those cows to give to poor countries? all companies monopolise....

Agreed, all do. But it's up to the consumer to decide what is over the line. For me personally, some of M$ business startegies are so far past the line, that , well....I just hate the 360, and I worry that Nintendo and Sony will see them ripping people off successfully and copy those strategies.

that will be...bad

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#46 AAllxxjjnn
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I don't know anyone who's said that.
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#47 mystervj
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We aren't actually serious when we said 360 is dying, at least I wasn't, there's always gona be multiplats. And MS still has a few studio left.
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#48 Kan0nF0dder
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[QUOTE="Kan0nF0dder"][QUOTE="hyperjayson"]

course they are, what company dont monopolise? do you think wal mart buys those empty lots to build a playground? or do you think macdonalds feed those cows to give to poor countries? all companies monopolise....

hyperjayson

Agreed, all do. But it's up to the consumer to decide what is over the line. For me personally, some of M$ business startegies are so far past the line, that , well....I just hate the 360, and I worry that Nintendo and Sony will see them ripping people off successfully and copy those strategies.

that will be...bad

Hey did someone from an opposing faction just accept my view point as legit...I don't think I've ever seen that on SW. well done sir, you get a cookie. Arguments here tend to be circular!
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#49 delta3074
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[QUOTE="hyperjayson"]

[QUOTE="Kan0nF0dder"] Hey man, you're the one who brought up the 600 dollar price point, implying Sony was willingly ripping people off. I corrected you, it was sold at a loss, a big loss. Incidently, M$ don't stop with the p2p charge, next on the $$$ list comes the HDs, why can't I use any old external HD, they're all the same. Does Sony make offical HDs which they vastly overcharge for, while simultaneously locking out 3rd part HDs (who woulda thunk it, M$ trying to monopolise?).Kan0nF0dder

course they are, what company dont monopolise? do you think wal mart buys those empty lots to build a playground? or do you think macdonalds feed those cows to give to poor countries? all companies monopolise....

Agreed, all do. But it's up to the consumer to decide what is over the line. For me personally, some of M$ business startegies are so far past the line, that , well....I just hate the 360, and I worry that Nintendo and Sony will see them ripping people off successfully and copy those strategies.

Edit: Hot sig btw 8)

did you know that SONY actually upped the asking price for the Ps3 in europe to cover the losses they made in japan and NA, they also put rootkits on peoples music CD's, some of SONY's business strategys are way over the line as well, it makes me laugh when people make MS out to be an evil corperation, yet SONY have some sort of saintly way of doing business, both company are as bad as each other, and both companys wouldn't think twice about ripping us off.
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[QUOTE="Kan0nF0dder"]

[QUOTE="hyperjayson"]

course they are, what company dont monopolise? do you think wal mart buys those empty lots to build a playground? or do you think macdonalds feed those cows to give to poor countries? all companies monopolise....

delta3074

Agreed, all do. But it's up to the consumer to decide what is over the line. For me personally, some of M$ business startegies are so far past the line, that , well....I just hate the 360, and I worry that Nintendo and Sony will see them ripping people off successfully and copy those strategies.

Edit: Hot sig btw 8)

did you know that SONY actually upped the asking price for the Ps3 in europe to cover the losses they made in japan and NA, they also put rootkits on peoples music CD's, some of SONY's business strategys are way over the line as well, it makes me laugh when people make MS out to be an evil corperation, yet SONY have some sort of saintly way of doing business, both company are as bad as each other, and both companys wouldn't think twice about ripping us off.

Exactly. They both want your money, and will do anything they can to get it.