Why do people say PCs have the best looking multiplats?

Its a blanket statement that assumes everyone has a PC capable of matching or exceeding the graphics of consoles. That simply isnt the case. For alot of PC owners, consoles have the best looking multiplats.

In fact i would go as far as to guess that the vast majority of PCs currently in use cannot beat consoles in the graphics department (all those netbooks flying out the door arent gonna be maxing crysis). So generally speaking, consoles actually have the best looking multiplats.

glad i could clear that up.

BEcause they do.

60FPS and epic detail, DO WANT.

Thanks for the proof. There was a study done that explains more gaming PC's have been sold to date, than all consoles combined. On top of that their lowest end rig used cards similar to a 5770 (stripped higher-end) and thus could still play games very well.

Now, we go by what the software is capable of, rather than the rig. Unless you want to start assuming the majority of gamers play on a 480p SDTV.

Anyone with a semi-decent gaming computer should be able to run at a higher resolution and framerate than the consoles! For me this usually results in most multiplats just looking cleaner! In most games its certainly not a night and day difference between pc and consoles however the difference is actually noticeable unlike the differences between most xbox and ps3 multiplats!

Thanks for the proof. There was a study done that explains more gaming PC's have been sold to date, than all consoles combined. On top of that their lowest end rig used cards similar to a 5770 (stripped higher-end) and thus could still play games very well.

Now, we go by what the software is capable of, rather than the rig. Unless you want to start assuming the majority of gamers play on a 480p SDTV.

lundy86_4

yes but the PC as a platform isnt just gaming PCs. If you are saying PCs have better looking multiplats, you are speaking about the entire platform. And with netbooks and notebooks largely outselling desktops... its doubtul that as a platform the PC is capable of better graphics.

I mean, last i checked those netbooks are still PCs.

PC's have better hardware than consoles. You can run any multiplat at double the resolution with all sorts of fancy effects that aren't even in the console version. Then you can mod the game with higher res textures if you desire.

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Thanks for the proof. There was a study done that explains more gaming PC's have been sold to date, than all consoles combined. On top of that their lowest end rig used cards similar to a 5770 (stripped higher-end) and thus could still play games very well.

Now, we go by what the software is capable of, rather than the rig. Unless you want to start assuming the majority of gamers play on a 480p SDTV.

markinthedark

yes but the PC as a platform isnt just gaming PCs. If you are saying PCs have better looking multiplats, you are speaking about the entire platform. And with netbooks and notebooks largely outselling desktops... its doubtul that as a platform the PC is capable of better graphics.

I mean, last i checked those netbooks are still PCs.

Never said it was, hence why I specified gaming PC. However, if you're playing modern games, you likely have something powerful enough to be called a gaming rig (PC's with 8800gt's are still gaming rigs).

We don't talk about general PC's, as office PC's make up the vast majority (total PC usage around the world, is estimated in the 1 billion+ range).

Sorry TC, but Mirror's Edge disagrees with your statement.

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[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

Thanks for the proof. There was a study done that explains more gaming PC's have been sold to date, than all consoles combined. On top of that their lowest end rig used cards similar to a 5770 (stripped higher-end) and thus could still play games very well.

Now, we go by what the software is capable of, rather than the rig. Unless you want to start assuming the majority of gamers play on a 480p SDTV.

lundy86_4

yes but the PC as a platform isnt just gaming PCs. If you are saying PCs have better looking multiplats, you are speaking about the entire platform. And with netbooks and notebooks largely outselling desktops... its doubtul that as a platform the PC is capable of better graphics.

I mean, last i checked those netbooks are still PCs.

Never said it was, hence why I specified gaming PC. However, if you're playing modern games, you likely have something powerful enough to be called a gaming rig (PC's with 8800gt's are still gaming rigs).

We don't talk about general PC's, as office PC's make up the vast majority (total PC usage around the world, is estimated in the 1 billion+ range).

so if pc gamers are allowed to segment the PC population into the sections that suits their needs.... why cant we talk about console exclusives on this board?

is it only PC gamers that get to tailor the facts to their liking?

If the rules are we have to consider the PC a platform the same as consoles, then we have to consider all PCs, just as we consider all consoles.

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[QUOTE="markinthedark"]

yes but the PC as a platform isnt just gaming PCs. If you are saying PCs have better looking multiplats, you are speaking about the entire platform. And with netbooks and notebooks largely outselling desktops... its doubtul that as a platform the PC is capable of better graphics.

I mean, last i checked those netbooks are still PCs.

markinthedark

Never said it was, hence why I specified gaming PC. However, if you're playing modern games, you likely have something powerful enough to be called a gaming rig (PC's with 8800gt's are still gaming rigs).

We don't talk about general PC's, as office PC's make up the vast majority (total PC usage around the world, is estimated in the 1 billion+ range).

so if pc gamers are allowed to segment the PC population into the sections that suits their needs.... why cant we talk about console exclusives on this board?

is it only PC gamers that get to tailor the facts to their liking?

If the rules are we have to consider the PC a platform the same as consoles, then we have to consider all PCs, just as we consider all consoles.

And that's only computers with discrete graphics cards(AKA gaming pc's)

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[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

Never said it was, hence why I specified gaming PC. However, if you're playing modern games, you likely have something powerful enough to be called a gaming rig (PC's with 8800gt's are still gaming rigs).

We don't talk about general PC's, as office PC's make up the vast majority (total PC usage around the world, is estimated in the 1 billion+ range).

shakmaster13

so if pc gamers are allowed to segment the PC population into the sections that suits their needs.... why cant we talk about console exclusives on this board?

is it only PC gamers that get to tailor the facts to their liking?

If the rules are we have to consider the PC a platform the same as consoles, then we have to consider all PCs, just as we consider all consoles.

thats fantastic, they clearly are winning the hardware sales war then.

but it doesnt change the fact that the average PC in use cannot match the graphic capabilities of a console.

[QUOTE="shakmaster13"][QUOTE="markinthedark"]

so if pc gamers are allowed to segment the PC population into the sections that suits their needs.... why cant we talk about console exclusives on this board?

is it only PC gamers that get to tailor the facts to their liking?

If the rules are we have to consider the PC a platform the same as consoles, then we have to consider all PCs, just as we consider all consoles.

markinthedark

thats fantastic, they clearly are winning the sales war then.

but it doesnt change the fact that the average PC in use cannot match the graphic capabilities of a console.

[QUOTE="shakmaster13"][QUOTE="markinthedark"]

so if pc gamers are allowed to segment the PC population into the sections that suits their needs.... why cant we talk about console exclusives on this board?

is it only PC gamers that get to tailor the facts to their liking?

If the rules are we have to consider the PC a platform the same as consoles, then we have to consider all PCs, just as we consider all consoles.

markinthedark

thats fantastic, they clearly are winning the sales war then.

but it doesnt change the fact that the average PC in use cannot match the graphic capabilities of a console.

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[QUOTE="markinthedark"]

yes but the PC as a platform isnt just gaming PCs. If you are saying PCs have better looking multiplats, you are speaking about the entire platform. And with netbooks and notebooks largely outselling desktops... its doubtul that as a platform the PC is capable of better graphics.

I mean, last i checked those netbooks are still PCs.

markinthedark

Never said it was, hence why I specified gaming PC. However, if you're playing modern games, you likely have something powerful enough to be called a gaming rig (PC's with 8800gt's are still gaming rigs).

We don't talk about general PC's, as office PC's make up the vast majority (total PC usage around the world, is estimated in the 1 billion+ range).

so if pc gamers are allowed to segment the PC population into the sections that suits their needs.... why cant we talk about console exclusives on this board?

is it only PC gamers that get to tailor the facts to their liking?

If the rules are we have to consider the PC a platform the same as consoles, then we have to consider all PCs, just as we consider all consoles.

We only talk about PC gaming, not PC's in general as this is a *gaming* board. You have to segment the market, as general office PC's won't play the majority of games (just flash-based).

Nobody's tailoring facts at all. All consoles are built for gaming, all PC's are not. A vast majority of PS3's could have been bought solely for Blu-Ray, but that is ignored and the total number of sold consoles is used.

Been playing Conviction on PC, and it looks pretty good. Higher resolution, much higher AF, much better soft shadows, and higher AA is awesome.

all that matters as far as we are concerned is the results.

pc will always win here because it does not matter if someone paid a ton of $$$ to get the games to look good all that matters is the end result.

it may not be fair but it makes no difference to the outcome.

we may all know that arguing pc in sw is like arguing motorcycles at a bicycle site but so what, that's the way the rules work so that is what we do.

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[QUOTE="shakmaster13"] Over 200 million GAMING PC's have been sold this gen according to the PCGA.SamiRDuran

thats fantastic, they clearly are winning the sales war then.

but it doesnt change the fact that the average PC in use cannot match the graphic capabilities of a console.

This thread is about multiplats.

Modern Warfare 2 is a multiplat for all PCs.

Its not a multiplat for PS2 or wii.

[QUOTE="SamiRDuran"][QUOTE="markinthedark"]

thats fantastic, they clearly are winning the sales war then.

but it doesnt change the fact that the average PC in use cannot match the graphic capabilities of a console.

markinthedark

This thread is about multiplats.

Modern Warfare 2 is a multiplat for all PCs.

Its not a multiplat for PS2 or wii.

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[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

Never said it was, hence why I specified gaming PC. However, if you're playing modern games, you likely have something powerful enough to be called a gaming rig (PC's with 8800gt's are still gaming rigs).

We don't talk about general PC's, as office PC's make up the vast majority (total PC usage around the world, is estimated in the 1 billion+ range).

lundy86_4

so if pc gamers are allowed to segment the PC population into the sections that suits their needs.... why cant we talk about console exclusives on this board?

is it only PC gamers that get to tailor the facts to their liking?

If the rules are we have to consider the PC a platform the same as consoles, then we have to consider all PCs, just as we consider all consoles.

We only talk about PC gaming, not PC's in general as this is a *gaming* board. You have to segment the market, as general office PC's won't play the majority of games (just flash-based).

Nobody's tailoring facts at all. All consoles are built for gaming, all PC's are not. A vast majority of PS3's could have been bought solely for Blu-Ray, but that is ignored and the total number of sold consoles is used.

exactly its ignored whether or not they were bought for blu ray and they are lumped into the same category...

and while all PCs arent build for gaming, they are all capable of gaming... even if it is just flash based.

do we not count PC sales for games if they are being used on older machines and run with low settings? seems like those sales are counted. When software sales are argued, it includes every sale regardless of the PC... but when graphics are argued, it only includes high end gaming rigs capable of running on high setting.

The gaming PC population seems to be an amorphous blob that gets to be whatever the heck it wants to be.

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[QUOTE="SamiRDuran"] neiher the average console which is either a ps2 or a wii.SamiRDuran

This thread is about multiplats.

Modern Warfare 2 is a multiplat for all PCs.

Its not a multiplat for PS2 or wii.

most PCs can install it and play on the lowest settings at a very low fps i would imagine. Even with an integrated graphics chip. Hell my GF's old laptop can barely browse webpages, but she managed to play WoW at like 5fps on it.

Is this serious? Because they have better hardware.

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This thread is about multiplats.

Modern Warfare 2 is a multiplat for all PCs.

Its not a multiplat for PS2 or wii.

markinthedark

most PCs can install it and play on the lowest settings at a very low fps i would imagine. Even with an integrated graphics chip. Hell my GF's old laptop can barely browse webpages, but she managed to play WoW at like 5fps on it.

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[QUOTE="SamiRDuran"] not really mw2 is not a multiplat on a PC that cannot play it.SamiRDuran

most PCs can install it and play on the lowest settings at a very low fps i would imagine. Even with an integrated graphics chip. Hell my GF's old laptop can barely browse webpages, but she managed to play WoW at like 5fps on it.

not a multiplat.

She even managed to get oblivion to chug along... and when i compared oblivion on her laptop to that on the 360... 360 clearly had way better looking multiplats.

Oblivion on PC:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZ6F5ZWSFa0

Oblivion on 360:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jlZEoJL2xo8

now tell me which has the better looking multiplats.

Shakmaster13 you win 50 jillion dollars with those ME pics.

honestly, the levels some people lower themselves to just to find any reason to bash Pc is getting funny as hell.

Next we will have threads about the size of tower units, or how many fans a case has v consoles lol.

That's like saying consoles have worse multiplats because people still own SDTVs.nethernova

the screen is merely an output device. A crappy monitor or a crappy tv doesnt take away from the graphics capability... its merely a display. And displays arent part of the PC or 360 platform. A crappy PC running on the lowest setting IS part of the PC platform.

Shakmaster13 you win 50 jillion dollars with those ME pics.

Animal-Mother

Oblivion on PC:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZ6F5ZWSFa0

Oblivion on 360:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jlZEoJL2xo8

now tell me which has the better looking multiplats.

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Oblivion on PC:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCTLfKRUV9c&feature=related

Oblivion on 360:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jlZEoJL2xo8

now tell me which has the better looking multiplats.

cobrax25

fixed

exactly my point... if we can cherry pick the best of the best in PC graphics for comparison, why cant we cherry pick the worst of the worst? seems only fair.

[QUOTE="nethernova"]That's like saying consoles have worse multiplats because people still own SDTVs.markinthedark

the screen is merely an output device. A crappy monitor or a crappy tv doesnt take away from the graphics capability... its merely a display. And displays arent part of the PC or 360 platform. A crappy PC running on the lowest setting IS part of the PC platform.

[QUOTE="cobrax25"]

[QUOTE="markinthedark"]

Oblivion on PC:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCTLfKRUV9c&feature=related

Oblivion on 360:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jlZEoJL2xo8

now tell me which has the better looking multiplats.

markinthedark

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exactly my point... if we can cherry pick the best of the best in PC graphics for comparison, why cant we cherry pick the worst of the worst? seems only fair.

because it makes no sense. The majority of Console gamers dont play on HDTV's either, but nobody takes that into account....

you dont magiclly take the worst of something, you take the best.

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Shakmaster13 you win 50 jillion dollars with those ME pics.

shakmaster13

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[QUOTE="markinthedark"]

Oblivion on PC:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCTLfKRUV9c&feature=related

Oblivion on 360:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jlZEoJL2xo8

now tell me which has the better looking multiplats.

markinthedark

fixed

exactly my point... if we can cherry pick the best of the best in PC graphics for comparison, why cant we cherry pick the worst of the worst? seems only fair.

[QUOTE="markinthedark"]

Oblivion on PC:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZ6F5ZWSFa0

Oblivion on 360:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jlZEoJL2xo8

now tell me which has the better looking multiplats.

lordreaven

well some people do run it like that. The screenshots used to compare graphics i constantly see posted here are from people running at resolutions and ridiculous AA levels your PC cant handle.... my PC cant handle... and probably levels the people posting the screen shots cant even get.

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[QUOTE="nethernova"]That's like saying consoles have worse multiplats because people still own SDTVs.FGMPR

the screen is merely an output device. A crappy monitor or a crappy tv doesnt take away from the graphics capability... its merely a display. And displays arent part of the PC or 360 platform. A crappy PC running on the lowest setting IS part of the PC platform.

The STDV cant, the PC in question's ability to render those resolutions isnt phased by the monitor though.

If you want to bring in ridiculous things like display devices then you have to consider the users eyesight as part of the graphics... which is dumb and very much independent of said PC or said console.

For the same reason games aren't reviewed on netbooks.

[QUOTE="FGMPR"][QUOTE="markinthedark"]

the screen is merely an output device. A crappy monitor or a crappy tv doesnt take away from the graphics capability... its merely a display. And displays arent part of the PC or 360 platform. A crappy PC running on the lowest setting IS part of the PC platform.

markinthedark

The STDV cant, the PC in question's ability to render those resolutions isnt phased by the monitor though.

If you want to bring in ridiculous things like display devices then you have to consider the users eyesight as part of the graphics... which is dumb and very much independent of said PC or said console.

Like others have said most console users dont have HD televisions so that should be considered as well. Also your really going to try to include super low end pcs in the multiplatform war? Most of the pcs that run at the lowest of the low settings for games were made before the current gen of consoles even came out; at least PC offers these low end users to play current games unlike the original xbox or PS2. Also nobody said PC games look better for all people; I think its obvious you need to have a PC capable of running it.

Also most if not all multiplatforms look better, some examples:

GTA4, ME1, ME2, Oblivion, Fallout 3, Dragonage the list goes on

Its a blanket statement that assumes everyone has a PC capable of matching or exceeding the graphics of consoles. That simply isnt the case. For alot of PC owners, consoles have the best looking multiplats.

markinthedark

[QUOTE="FGMPR"][QUOTE="markinthedark"]

the screen is merely an output device. A crappy monitor or a crappy tv doesnt take away from the graphics capability... its merely a display. And displays arent part of the PC or 360 platform. A crappy PC running on the lowest setting IS part of the PC platform.

markinthedark

The STDV cant, the PC in question's ability to render those resolutions isnt phased by the monitor though.

If you want to bring in ridiculous things like display devices then you have to consider the users eyesight as part of the graphics... which is dumb and very much independent of said PC or said console.

What are you on about? Fact is the PC versions of games Run on the apropriate hardware DO look better than anything consoles can do. FACT. Nobody ever said ALL PC's can render these graphics, but MANY PC's can so PC can run multiplats better than console. What are you trying to prove here?

People know not ALL PC's can run games maxed out at ultra high resolutions. Gaming PC's, the kind that us PC gamers use can however.

So because old pcs/office pcs cant run games with the highest settings then the pc platform is worse than consoles? Even tho they are not meant for current gen games? Pcs are not only for games, they were built for many different purposes so obviously they are not all going to run games the same. Thats why you have to specify gaming pcs. It sounds like you are just mad because you know a gaming pc will always run better looking games. Quit trying to spit out ****

Oblivion on PC:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZ6F5ZWSFa0

Oblivion on 360:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jlZEoJL2xo8

now tell me which has the better looking multiplats.

markinthedark