Why do people say Valve is the best developer?

I mean now that the PS3 gets steam and Portal am I still going to be called a Ps3 fanboy for not really digging their games... DESPITE the fact I do not even own a PS3

I mean do not get me wrong they are a fantastic developer and make amazing games but all their games are shooters except Portal and Team Fortress isn't their creation... It was a mod

I played Left 4 Dead 2 and I wasn't to impressed playing at a friends house even though Zombies are really cool. Even then I am not doubting it was a good game it just didn't feel as great as people tell me it is.

Their are way better developers imo then Valve long story short and I am curious to hear if you all think they are overrated?

PS3 isn't getting Steam, just Steamworks :P

They're just a great dev who hire a lot of talent. Plus they created Half-Life which is the only reason I need :D

There's a thread already going about the "best developer". Best is an opinion so defining the "best" is impossible.

You'd probably have to be a PC gamer to understand...which I'm not, so I can't help you unfortunately...

PS3 isn't getting Steam, just Steamworks :P

They're just a great dev who hire a lot of talent. Plus they created Half-Life which is the only reason I need :D

lundy86_4

W/E I just do not get how they are the best developer, they make good games no doubt but people tell me it is from their free content they give out which is cool and all but that doesn't make them the "best developer" and a large percentage of PC gamers I encounter say they are like it is a fact.

The only reason I can see people calling valve overrated is because they think graphics are ultra important, thats the only department valve aren't currently kicking arse in (although when they do jaws will drop).

W/E I just do not get how they are the best developer, they make good games no doubt but people tell me it is from their free content they give out which is cool and all but that doesn't make them the "best developer" and a large percentage of PC gamers I encounter say they are like it is a fact.

Banjo_Kongfooie

It's preference. People may state it like it's a fact, doesn't make it that way though.

They are a great dev, if people don't agree then that's their prerogative.

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W/E I just do not get how they are the best developer, they make good games no doubt but people tell me it is from their free content they give out which is cool and all but that doesn't make them the "best developer" and a large percentage of PC gamers I encounter say they are like it is a fact.

lundy86_4

It's preference. People may state it like it's a fact, doesn't make it that way though.

They are a great dev, if people don't agree then that's their prerogative.

Exactly but every time I explain my scale to PC gamers they say I am wrong, I do not believe any developer is perfect but Valve do not have the history many developers have and even today they are just a good developer imo that make great games.

If they were as amazing as people make them out to be they would be making GOY's but they seam content on rereleasing Left 4 Dead (Yes I said it) and their old work... (Ala Orange Box)

Exactly but every time I explain my scale to PC gamers they say I am wrong, I do not believe any developer is perfect but Valve do not have the history many developers have and even today they are just a good developer imo that make great games.

If they were as amazing as people make them out to be they would be making GOY's but they seam content on rereleasing Left 4 Dead (Yes I said it) and their old work... (Ala Orange Box)

Banjo_Kongfooie

Then just don't put stock into what other people say. It's not really a big deal.

They also give lots of content to users, like a ridiculous amount, so that adds to their repertoire.

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W/E I just do not get how they are the best developer, they make good games no doubt but people tell me it is from their free content they give out which is cool and all but that doesn't make them the "best developer" and a large percentage of PC gamers I encounter say they are like it is a fact.

Banjo_Kongfooie

It's preference. People may state it like it's a fact, doesn't make it that way though.

They are a great dev, if people don't agree then that's their prerogative.

Exactly but every time I explain my scale to PC gamers they say I am wrong, I do not believe any developer is perfect but Valve do not have the history many developers have and even today they are just a good developer imo that make great games.

If they were as amazing as people make them out to be they would be making GOY's but they seam content on rereleasing Left 4 Dead (Yes I said it) and their old work... (Ala Orange Box)

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[QUOTE="Banjo_Kongfooie"]

W/E I just do not get how they are the best developer, they make good games no doubt but people tell me it is from their free content they give out which is cool and all but that doesn't make them the "best developer" and a large percentage of PC gamers I encounter say they are like it is a fact.

Banjo_Kongfooie

It's preference. People may state it like it's a fact, doesn't make it that way though.

They are a great dev, if people don't agree then that's their prerogative.

Exactly but every time I explain my scale to PC gamers they say I am wrong, I do not believe any developer is perfect but Valve do not have the history many developers have and even today they are just a good developer imo that make great games.

If they were as amazing as people make them out to be they would be making GOY's but they seam content on rereleasing Left 4 Dead (Yes I said it) and their old work... (Ala Orange Box)

They are a developer that not only makes good games, offers great prices, has created a the lead method of digital distribution in gaming, and has a service that destroys PSN/XBL. You don't have to pay $50 for online and you don't have to pay $50 for what PSN+ offers. Discounts lol

in order to understand why valve gets the respect they deserve one must have played HL and HL2 on their launch dates. both are masterpieces in the genre and have influenced many games, mainly the original HL. and TF2 isn't a mod, it's a sequel to a mod.

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W/E I just do not get how they are the best developer, they make good games no doubt but people tell me it is from their free content they give out which is cool and all but that doesn't make them the "best developer" and a large percentage of PC gamers I encounter say they are like it is a fact.

Banjo_Kongfooie

It's preference. People may state it like it's a fact, doesn't make it that way though.

They are a great dev, if people don't agree then that's their prerogative.

Exactly but every time I explain my scale to PC gamers they say I am wrong, I do not believe any developer is perfect but Valve do not have the history many developers have and even today they are just a good developer imo that make great games.

If they were as amazing as people make them out to be they would be making GOY's but they seam content on rereleasing Left 4 Dead (Yes I said it) and their old work... (Ala Orange Box)

They are a developer that not only makes good games, offers great prices, has created a the lead method of digital distribution in gaming, and has a service that destroys PSN/XBL. You don't have to pay $50 for online and you don't have to pay $50 for what PSN+ offers. Discounts lol

The__Havoc

So wait just because they give free DLC and let you download games cheap they are the best at Developing games?

There's a thread already going about the "best developer". Best is an opinion so defining the "best" is impossible.

jimkabrhel

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It's preference. People may state it like it's a fact, doesn't make it that way though.

They are a great dev, if people don't agree then that's their prerogative.

positivebalance

Exactly but every time I explain my scale to PC gamers they say I am wrong, I do not believe any developer is perfect but Valve do not have the history many developers have and even today they are just a good developer imo that make great games.

If they were as amazing as people make them out to be they would be making GOY's but they seam content on rereleasing Left 4 Dead (Yes I said it) and their old work... (Ala Orange Box)

No it isnt Diablo is

and it isn't even the Highest rated FPS, Crisis is and many are before it on the best FPS

Proof of Valve's Brilliance Story-Wise.

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They are a developer that not only makes good games, offers great prices, has created a the lead method of digital distribution in gaming, and has a service that destroys PSN/XBL. You don't have to pay $50 for online and you don't have to pay $50 for what PSN+ offers. Discounts lol

Banjo_Kongfooie

So wait just because they give free DLC and let you download games cheap they are the best at Developing games?

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[QUOTE="Banjo_Kongfooie"]

Exactly but every time I explain my scale to PC gamers they say I am wrong, I do not believe any developer is perfect but Valve do not have the history many developers have and even today they are just a good developer imo that make great games.

If they were as amazing as people make them out to be they would be making GOY's but they seam content on rereleasing Left 4 Dead (Yes I said it) and their old work... (Ala Orange Box)

Banjo_Kongfooie

No it isnt Diablo is

and it isn't even the Highest rated FPS, Crisis is and many are before it on the best FPS

because people have these things called 'opinions'

I guess the Valve hate in SW suddenly ended once Gabe was at Sony's E3.

nothing to drown out the excess Valve love then, eh?

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[QUOTE="positivebalance"]

you do know that HL2 is the highest rated pc game of all time right? though that may change with starcraft II but it's doubtful. HL and HL2 are two extremely important entries in the FPS genre.

IvanElk

No it isnt Diablo is

and it isn't even the Highest rated FPS, Crisis is and many are before it on the best FPS

Yes and it needed how many other games and a low price tag to nab the second place spot in FPS... Not to mention that it is 4th in the top PC games when it contains a huge Portion of the Games Valve developed...

I mean yes the Half Life games are some of the best FPS's but people are pushing it calling them the best PC game in general... when alone the Half Life games aren't near the top of the FPS games.

I don't think Valve is a very good developer at all.

In my oppinion I think for a company or orginization to be a "Good Developer" is for them to make at least more than 1 genre of games and make them good.

Valve has only made mostly 1st Person Shooters and 1 top down shooter, No matter how good the FPSs are that just shows that they can only DO FPSs and nothing else which is a shame, although them making Alien Swarm a Top Down Shooter is a great step in the right direction.

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No it isnt Diablo is

and it isn't even the Highest rated FPS, Crisis is and many are before it on the best FPS

Banjo_Kongfooie

Yes and it needed how many other games and a low price tag to nab the second place spot in FPS... Not to mention that it is 4th in the top PC games when it contains a huge Portion of the Games Valve developed...

I mean yes the Half Life games are some of the best FPS's but people are pushing it calling them the best PC game in general... when alone the Half Life games aren't near the top of the FPS games.

It is confirmed. You have never played Half-Life games.

I don't think Valve is a very good developer at all.

In my oppinion I think for a company or orginization to be a "Good Developer" is for them to make at least more than 1 genre of games and make them good.

Valve has only made mostly 1st Person Shooters and 1 top down shooter, No matter how good the FPSs are that just shows that they can only DO FPSs and nothing else which is a shame, although them making Alien Swarm a Top Down Shooter is a great step in the right direction.

LegatoSkyheart

Exactly, they are one of the best FPS dev's up their with others like ID but they lack diversity that developers like Capcom Nintendo etc. show.

To be the "best" developer you cant string your fanbase along with no news on your most anticipated franchise for going on 6 year now -____-.Sp4rtan_3

Episode 2 was released in 2007... Or are you talking of something else?

Valve is an awesome company. They listen and respond to their community, they created by far the most robust PC community based game platform available, they frequently GIVE away content, and when they can't give it to you for free, they let you pay a pittance. On top of that, they have developed some of the most fun and memorable titles this generation. There aren't many other video game companies that can even COMPARE. Inifinity Ward with its bug riddled mess, no dedicated servers (PC), and $30 dollars for 6 new maps and 4 rehashed ones? No thank you. Blizzard makes good games, but ever since they have been under the direction of Activision their new policies and upcoming services scream greediness. The only game company that comes close is Bungie, but even the might of Halo can't match what Valve has to offer.major_silva

:lol: Halo :lol:

IMO, Nintendo are the only ones close to Valve.

Valve is an awesome company. They listen and respond to their community, they created by far the most robust PC community based game platform available, they frequently GIVE away content, and when they can't give it to you for free, they let you pay a pittance. On top of that, they have developed some of the most fun and memorable titles this generation. There aren't many other video game companies that can even COMPARE. Inifinity Ward with its bug riddled mess, no dedicated servers (PC), and $30 dollars for 6 new maps and 4 rehashed ones? No thank you. Blizzard makes good games, but ever since they have been under the direction of Activision their new policies and upcoming services scream greediness. The only game company that comes close is Bungie, but even the might of Halo can't match what Valve has to offer.major_silva

Well that is the thing... They are a great company and give free stuff but that doesn't necessarily make them the best developers it is the game and content imo that does that not free dlc .

[QUOTE="Sp4rtan_3"]To be the "best" developer you cant string your fanbase along with no news on your most anticipated franchise for going on 6 year now -____-.lundy86_4

Episode 2 was released in 2007... Or are you talking of something else?

They haven't made a bad game yet.

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I don't think Valve is a very good developer at all.

In my oppinion I think for a company or orginization to be a "Good Developer" is for them to make at least more than 1 genre of games and make them good.

Valve has only made mostly 1st Person Shooters and 1 top down shooter, No matter how good the FPSs are that just shows that they can only DO FPSs and nothing else which is a shame, although them making Alien Swarm a Top Down Shooter is a great step in the right direction.

Banjo_Kongfooie

Exactly, they are one of the best FPS dev's up their with others like ID but they lack diversity that developers like Capcom Nintendo etc. show.

Yeah I will go as far as saying that Valve has amazing work with FPSs (I love Portal and L4D2.) but they suck when it comes down to the wire about diversity. and that's why I don't think they are a very good developer. They're Good, but not "The Best".

[QUOTE="major_silva"]Valve is an awesome company. They listen and respond to their community, they created by far the most robust PC community based game platform available, they frequently GIVE away content, and when they can't give it to you for free, they let you pay a pittance. On top of that, they have developed some of the most fun and memorable titles this generation. There aren't many other video game companies that can even COMPARE. Inifinity Ward with its bug riddled mess, no dedicated servers (PC), and $30 dollars for 6 new maps and 4 rehashed ones? No thank you. Blizzard makes good games, but ever since they have been under the direction of Activision their new policies and upcoming services scream greediness. The only game company that comes close is Bungie, but even the might of Halo can't match what Valve has to offer.Banjo_Kongfooie

Well that is the thing... They are a great company and give free stuff but that doesn't necessarily make them the best developers it is the game and content imo that does that not free dlc .

[QUOTE="major_silva"]Valve is an awesome company. They listen and respond to their community, they created by far the most robust PC community based game platform available, they frequently GIVE away content, and when they can't give it to you for free, they let you pay a pittance. On top of that, they have developed some of the most fun and memorable titles this generation. There aren't many other video game companies that can even COMPARE. Inifinity Ward with its bug riddled mess, no dedicated servers (PC), and $30 dollars for 6 new maps and 4 rehashed ones? No thank you. Blizzard makes good games, but ever since they have been under the direction of Activision their new policies and upcoming services scream greediness. The only game company that comes close is Bungie, but even the might of Halo can't match what Valve has to offer.Head_of_games

:lol: Halo :lol:

IMO, Nintendo are the only ones close to Valve.

Nintendo is nothing like Valve, to the point it's difficult to even try and compare them.

Bungie is fairly close while being similar, but they're working under the constraints of consoles more than Valve is:?

I mean now that the PS3 gets steam and Portal am I still going to be called a Ps3 fanboy for not really digging their games... DESPITE the fact I do not even own a PS3

I mean do not get me wrong they are a fantastic developer and make amazing games but all their games are shooters except Portal and Team Fortress isn't their creation... It was a mod

I played Left 4 Dead 2 and I wasn't to impressed playing at a friends house even though Zombies are really cool. Even then I am not doubting it was a good game it just didn't feel as great as people tell me it is.

Their are way better developers imo then Valve long story short and I am curious to hear if you all think they are overrated?

Banjo_Kongfooie

They are one of the most influential developers out there. They were the first to do scripted sequences which is something that most games use now, not just shooters. They managed to tell a story in-game and that's a feature not many developers have been able to pull off. There aren't many developers out there that have been able to put in the kind of interactivity with the environment that Valve has done with their Half Life games. There's a lot to say about Valve. I don't know if they are the absolute best developer out there, but they are certainly amoung the top.

Why are people even responding to this guy. The fact that he's said: "when alone the Half Life games aren't near the top of the FPS games." proves he is either trolling or has absolutely no clue what he is talking about.

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[QUOTE="major_silva"]Valve is an awesome company. They listen and respond to their community, they created by far the most robust PC community based game platform available, they frequently GIVE away content, and when they can't give it to you for free, they let you pay a pittance. On top of that, they have developed some of the most fun and memorable titles this generation. There aren't many other video game companies that can even COMPARE. Inifinity Ward with its bug riddled mess, no dedicated servers (PC), and $30 dollars for 6 new maps and 4 rehashed ones? No thank you. Blizzard makes good games, but ever since they have been under the direction of Activision their new policies and upcoming services scream greediness. The only game company that comes close is Bungie, but even the might of Halo can't match what Valve has to offer.HavocV3

:lol: Halo :lol:

IMO, Nintendo are the only ones close to Valve.

Nintendo is nothing like Valve, to the point it's difficult to even try and compare them.

Bungie is fairly close while being similar, but they're working under the constraints of consoles more than Valve is:?

Don't get me wrong, the first Halo, while lacking any real innovation was the best FPS of it's time but since then what has Bungie done? Halo 2 came out about a week before HL2 and was not as good as HL2. Halo 3 failed to really do much to push the franchise. ODST was just sad and pathetic. They do seem to be making a modern game with Halo Reach, but I haven't seen much reason to think it's going to be anything that fantastic. IMHO, Bungie aren't even in the same legue as Valve. I think Blizzard might be able to give them a run for their money though.

To be the "best" developer you cant string your fanbase along with no news on your most anticipated franchise for going on 6 year now -____-.Sp4rtan_3

Why are people even responding to this guy. The fact that he's said: "when alone the Half Life games aren't near the top of the FPS games." proves he is either trolling or has absolutely no clue what he is talking about.

Eggimannd

I was talking about on gamespot because you listed the Orange Box which is only second and that one guy said Half Life 2 was the best PC game...

Also how is my opinion with evidence supported by this very site proving I am "...trolling or has absolutely no clue what he is talking about." I never denied that Half Life was a excellent game and near is relative.

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Why are people even responding to this guy. The fact that he's said: "when alone the Half Life games aren't near the top of the FPS games." proves he is either trolling or has absolutely no clue what he is talking about.

Banjo_Kongfooie

I was talking about on gamespot because you listed the Orange Box which is only second and that one guy said Half Life 2 was the best PC game...

Also how is my opinion with evidence supported by this very site proving I am "...trolling or has absolutely no clue what he is talking about." I never denied that Half Life was a excellent game and near is relative.

First of all I never listed anything. You're mixing me up with someone else.

Secondly honest question and please don't lie. Have YOU (yes YOU and NOT GAMESPOT) actually played Half-Life and Half-Life 2. Because if you actually had, I seriously doubt you'd say such a statement such as "when alone the Half Life games aren't near the top of the FPS games."

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Why are people even responding to this guy. The fact that he's said: "when alone the Half Life games aren't near the top of the FPS games." proves he is either trolling or has absolutely no clue what he is talking about.

Banjo_Kongfooie

I was talking about on gamespot because you listed the Orange Box which is only second and that one guy said Half Life 2 was the best PC game...

Also how is my opinion with evidence supported by this very site proving I am "...trolling or has absolutely no clue what he is talking about." I never denied that Half Life was a excellent game and near is relative.