Why do some people act like it impossible to like both GTA and Saints Row or

...see them as seperate games.

You can never go into a Saints row thread, without someone bringing up GTA. Even when they do it just to criticise GTA, it is still dumb. I went into a lot of SR2 threads attempting to get a point across that, they are two different franchises that should be looked at as so. It is like when people are talking about a console, and then someone bursts into a thread to talk about the PC. All it does is derail people from the topic at hand.

Never got into SR. But the next one looks awesome! I find the comments about the ones being first silly too. Or copied or it's not original because someone else has done it before. It's just trash.

i stop caring about what people think or do along time ago

Never got into SR. But the next one looks awesome! I find the comments about the ones being first silly too. Or copied or it's not original because someone else has done it before. It's just trash.

LOXO7

Sorry maybe i'm haveing trouble interpreting your post, were you caalling the first game trash or the comments about it trash.

Slow , Steady, and Open World Gameplay vs Fast, Rough, and Slightly Smaller World.
Its a matter of preference. I love SR2 , and a scene in the game made me sadder than both endings of GTA4. Doesnt mean GTA is in no way a bad game though.

i stop caring about what people think or do along time ago

Chris_Williams

Brilliant and with most games I do the same. But a certain few(viewtiful joe, Metroid, kirby, Golden Sun) I can not help myself :P

Slow , Steady, and Open World Gameplay vs Fast, Rough, and Slightly Smaller World.
Its a matter of preference. I love SR2 , and a scene in the game made me sadder than both endings of GTA4. Doesnt mean GTA is in no way a bad game though.

TrapJak

Agreed, also I really do not get why people say SR has no depth. The scene in SR2 that you are talking about was pretty heart wrenching.

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Slow , Steady, and Open World Gameplay vs Fast, Rough, and Slightly Smaller World.
Its a matter of preference. I love SR2 , and a scene in the game made me sadder than both endings of GTA4. Doesnt mean GTA is in no way a bad game though.

Mercenary848

Agreed, also I really do not get why people say SR has no depth. The scene in SR2 where you had to mercy kill one of your best men was pretty heart wrenching.

Sorry I edited it, I figured it was one of those things everyone knew, like Obi Wan dies.

^^ Another Spoiler!dramaybaz

It is the same with battlefield 3 and COD.

Poople think that COD and GTA4 are so bad(which they aren't) that they will love and defend and hype battlefield and Saint's row til the end of time. Then realize that the games are a bit of a let down. I personally think GTA is much better that saints row, but I really don't care to be honest.

I liked the first game well enough, I thought the second gsme wasn't all that great, the 3rd looks insane, in a good way.

You can't copy a game's format and not expect to be compraed to it, unfortunately. I think GTA has better production values, but I also think that SR is being smart by going in another direction and finding it's own identity.

I used to like both. Actually really liked the GTA 4 expansions way better than the main game it self. The main game in GTA 4 was butchered in favor of a shorter more serious yet casual experience, as where SR is what GTA used to be, over the top fun! Awesome customization etc. I agree they are 2 different games these days but GTA used to be what Saints Row is today.

Saints Row brings back fond memories of playing GTA San Andreas and the games before that. GTA 4 just went in the wrong Direction for a lot of people in my opinion. its ok to like both, a lot of us just don't. A lot of people like the more serious tones of GTA 4 too and hate Saints row and view it as a GTA abortion.

For me it is impossible to like both anymore, Saints Row has improved so vastly on what I feel GTA should be that there is just no reason to own GTA anymore. I believe Saints Row out classes it in every way. A crime game should be fun over the top crazyness, For me if i want serious story driven play I will play Heavy Rain, Alan Wake, or the mass effect series. Just my thoughts on it.

I used to like both. Actually really liked the GTA 4 expansions way better than the main game it self. The main game in GTA 4 was butchered in favor of a shorter more serious yet casual experience, as where SR is what GTA used to be, over the top fun! Awesome customization etc. I agree they are 2 different games these days but GTA used to be what Saints Row is today.

Saints Row brings back fond memories of playing GTA San Andreas and the games before that. GTA 4 just went in the wrong Direction for a lot of people in my opinion. its ok to like both, a lot of us just don't. A lot of people like the more serious tones of GTA 4 too and hate Saints row and view it as a GTA abortion.

For me it is impossible to like both anymore, Saints Row has improved so vastly on what I feel GTA should be that there is just no reason to own GTA anymore. I believe Saints Row out clas-ses it in every way. A crime game should be fun over the top crazyness, For me if i want serious story driven play I will play Heavy Rain, Alan Wake, or the mass effect series. Just my thoughts on it.

famunda666

That's clas-sy alright!:

I used to like both. Actually really liked the GTA 4 expansions way better than the main game it self. The main game in GTA 4 was butchered in favor of a shorter more serious yet casual experience, as where SR is what GTA used to be, over the top fun! Awesome customization etc. I agree they are 2 different games these days but GTA used to be what Saints Row is today.

Saints Row brings back fond memories of playing GTA San Andreas and the games before that. GTA 4 just went in the wrong Direction for a lot of people in my opinion. its ok to like both, a lot of us just don't. A lot of people like the more serious tones of GTA 4 too and hate Saints row and view it as a GTA abortion.

For me it is impossible to like both anymore, Saints Row has improved so vastly on what I feel GTA should be that there is just no reason to own GTA anymore. I believe Saints Row out classes it in every way. A crime game should be fun over the top crazyness, For me if i want serious story driven play I will play Heavy Rain, Alan Wake, or the mass effect series. Just my thoughts on it.

famunda666

Saints Row is nowhere near what any of the GTA games were. It's fun but it's missing a lot of what makes a GTA game a GTA game...PERSONALITY.

My most anticipated game this year is Saints Row The Third. My most anticipated game of next year is Grand Theft Auto V(yes I'm aware the game hasn't actually been announced. It just seems like a logical release date). Yeah, I really don't get why people act like there can only be one game of its type. It's possible to like both. It's ridiculous. SR and GTA aren't the only games to suffer from this. Remember the whole Infamous/Prototype thing? Both games were NOTHING alike. They both had super powers of some sort in an open world, and because of that one similarity people always acted like it was war between the two and you could only like one of the games. It's stupid. Just like the whole BF3 vs MW3 thing that's going on right now. People act like you have to pick one. It's kinda dumb bit there you go. You've just gotta ignore these things and if you happen to like both, play both.

I liked the first game well enough, I thought the second gsme wasn't all that great, the 3rd looks insane, in a good way.

You can't copy a game's format and not expect to be compraed to it, unfortunately. I think GTA has better production values, but I also think that SR is being smart by going in another direction and finding it's own identity.

heretrix

Thats the thing Saints Row never copied GTAs format. If the first one did that it would have had bikes, and boats, and planes. SR was originally in production for the original xbox right before San andreas came out. That is why in the early saints row screens the main gang wore green, they decided to change that so people would not think they were ripping San andreas.

[QUOTE="famunda666"]

I used to like both. Actually really liked the GTA 4 expansions way better than the main game it self. The main game in GTA 4 was butchered in favor of a shorter more serious yet casual experience, as where SR is what GTA used to be, over the top fun! Awesome customization etc. I agree they are 2 different games these days but GTA used to be what Saints Row is today.

Saints Row brings back fond memories of playing GTA San Andreas and the games before that. GTA 4 just went in the wrong Direction for a lot of people in my opinion. its ok to like both, a lot of us just don't. A lot of people like the more serious tones of GTA 4 too and hate Saints row and view it as a GTA abortion.

For me it is impossible to like both anymore, Saints Row has improved so vastly on what I feel GTA should be that there is just no reason to own GTA anymore. I believe Saints Row out classes it in every way. A crime game should be fun over the top crazyness, For me if i want serious story driven play I will play Heavy Rain, Alan Wake, or the mass effect series. Just my thoughts on it.

heretrix

Saints Row is nowhere near what any of the GTA games were. It's fun but it's missing a lot of what makes a GTA game a GTA game...PERSONALITY.

See thats where YOU are doing it wrong. Why should Saints Row have GTAs personality and sudlty when it is not GTA or subtle.

A crime game is best when it's heavily story driven. SR isn't really crime because there is no punishment with the actions. SR is neat in it's own way. But it shouldn't be placed in the category of crime dramas.LOXO7

Exactly it is more hyper-reality like the movies sin city and shoot'em up, the visuals and actions and general over the top personality of the characters are what matter and what the creators strive for. It is like comparing MGS to Splinter Cell. MGS has a great story and depth, but is hyper real and over the top. SP is extremly serious and tries to put you in the real world.

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[QUOTE="famunda666"]

I used to like both. Actually really liked the GTA 4 expansions way better than the main game it self. The main game in GTA 4 was butchered in favor of a shorter more serious yet casual experience, as where SR is what GTA used to be, over the top fun! Awesome customization etc. I agree they are 2 different games these days but GTA used to be what Saints Row is today.

Saints Row brings back fond memories of playing GTA San Andreas and the games before that. GTA 4 just went in the wrong Direction for a lot of people in my opinion. its ok to like both, a lot of us just don't. A lot of people like the more serious tones of GTA 4 too and hate Saints row and view it as a GTA abortion.

For me it is impossible to like both anymore, Saints Row has improved so vastly on what I feel GTA should be that there is just no reason to own GTA anymore. I believe Saints Row out classes it in every way. A crime game should be fun over the top crazyness, For me if i want serious story driven play I will play Heavy Rain, Alan Wake, or the mass effect series. Just my thoughts on it.

Mercenary848

Saints Row is nowhere near what any of the GTA games were. It's fun but it's missing a lot of what makes a GTA game a GTA game...PERSONALITY.

See thats where YOU are doing it wrong. Why should Saints Row have GTAs personality and sudlty when it is not GTA or subtle.

The cities or the characters that inhibit the Saint's Row games aren't nearly as interesting or as well realized as the cities and characters in the GTA games..

I hate SR2 with a passion, and love GTA4 quite alot. I don't know many people who like both.

That being said, I think SR3 looks pretty fun and awesome. The gameplay and graphics looks pretty damn good.

[QUOTE="heretrix"]

I liked the first game well enough, I thought the second gsme wasn't all that great, the 3rd looks insane, in a good way.

You can't copy a game's format and not expect to be compraed to it, unfortunately. I think GTA has better production values, but I also think that SR is being smart by going in another direction and finding it's own identity.

Mercenary848

Thats the thing Saints Row never copied GTAs format. If the first one did that it would have had bikes, and boats, and planes. SR was originally in production for the original xbox right before San andreas came out. That is why in the early saints row screens the main gang wore green, they decided to change that so people would not think they were ripping San andreas.

SR isn't really crime because there is no punishment with the actions. LOXO7

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[QUOTE="heretrix"]

I liked the first game well enough, I thought the second gsme wasn't all that great, the 3rd looks insane, in a good way.

You can't copy a game's format and not expect to be compraed to it, unfortunately. I think GTA has better production values, but I also think that SR is being smart by going in another direction and finding it's own identity.

heretrix

Thats the thing Saints Row never copied GTAs format. If the first one did that it would have had bikes, and boats, and planes. SR was originally in production for the original xbox right before San andreas came out. That is why in the early saints row screens the main gang wore green, they decided to change that so people would not think they were ripping San andreas.

That is another flawed mindset, people make it seem as if GTA owns the open world genre. Not to mention they play differently. For now on I will go into every Halo thread and say this is a DOOM rip.

[QUOTE="LOXO7"] SR isn't really crime because there is no punishment with the actions. burgeg

I dont know if you have high notiriety the cops will seriosly come after you. The shooting has always been better in Saints row so it is easier to kill them. Not to mention in the missions in SR you are mostly swarmed by bad guys, so being swarmed by cops wont be a surprise.

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[QUOTE="famunda666"]

I used to like both. Actually really liked the GTA 4 expansions way better than the main game it self. The main game in GTA 4 was butchered in favor of a shorter more serious yet casual experience, as where SR is what GTA used to be, over the top fun! Awesome customization etc. I agree they are 2 different games these days but GTA used to be what Saints Row is today.

Saints Row brings back fond memories of playing GTA San Andreas and the games before that. GTA 4 just went in the wrong Direction for a lot of people in my opinion. its ok to like both, a lot of us just don't. A lot of people like the more serious tones of GTA 4 too and hate Saints row and view it as a GTA abortion.

For me it is impossible to like both anymore, Saints Row has improved so vastly on what I feel GTA should be that there is just no reason to own GTA anymore. I believe Saints Row out clas-ses it in every way. A crime game should be fun over the top crazyness, For me if i want serious story driven play I will play Heavy Rain, Alan Wake, or the mass effect series. Just my thoughts on it.

famunda666

That's clas-sy alright!:

Yup sure is! Some times a ho needs to be slapped!

People like what they like. I love GTA games and DESPISE Saint's Row games.

People like what they like. I love GTA games and DESPISE Saint's Row games.

Bigboi500

I agree and people are entitled to their opinion.

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[QUOTE="LOXO7"] SR isn't really crime because there is no punishment with the actions. Mercenary848

I dont know if you have high notiriety the cops will seriosly come after you. The shooting has always been better in Saints row so it is easier to kill them. Not to mention in the missions in SR you are mostly swarmed by bad guys, so being swarmed by cops wont be a surprise.

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[QUOTE="burgeg"]You know, that's the one thing I don't like about the SR series and I seriously hope they've improved that with the third. Somehow I doubt it though. The thing I love about GTA is that when I go on rampages, I get punished for it. The cops are a real threat and it adds a whole awesome addition to gameplay. Saints Row doesn't have the GTA how long can I survive thing. The cops aren't a threat at all in the SR games. I really hope they've changed that with SR3 and make it so that cop chases can actually be exciting. It's the one thing holding the series back imo.

burgeg

I dont know if you have high notiriety the cops will seriosly come after you. The shooting has always been better in Saints row so it is easier to kill them. Not to mention in the missions in SR you are mostly swarmed by bad guys, so being swarmed by cops wont be a surprise.

I hear what your saying, in SR you are basically a tank.

[QUOTE="LOXO7"] SR isn't really crime because there is no punishment with the actions. burgeg

[QUOTE="heretrix"]

[QUOTE="Mercenary848"]

Thats the thing Saints Row never copied GTAs format. If the first one did that it would have had bikes, and boats, and planes. SR was originally in production for the original xbox right before San andreas came out. That is why in the early saints row screens the main gang wore green, they decided to change that so people would not think they were ripping San andreas.

Mercenary848

That is another flawed mindset, people make it seem as if GTA owns the open world genre. Not to mention they play differently. For now on I will go into every Halo thread and say this is a DOOM rip.

Copying GTA isn't a necessarily a bad thing, SR just doesn't pull it off as well imo. If you want to go into other threads and make ridiculous arguments because of what I'm saying in this thread, be my guest.

I think both are great games. GTA has better story elements but Saints Row's gameplay is more fun.

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[QUOTE="heretrix"]Hmmm. Open world crime games. looks like the EXACT same format.

heretrix

That is another flawed mindset, people make it seem as if GTA owns the open world genre. Not to mention they play differently. For now on I will go into every Halo thread and say this is a DOOM rip.

Copying GTA isn't a necessarily a bad thing, SR just doesn't pull it off as well imo. If you want to go into other threads and make ridiculous arguments because of what I'm saying in this thread, be my guest.

First calm it down a notch, its just a disscusion.

Second, of course it was influenced by GTA, but that does not mean it was trying to be the same game. And you have a serious issue with stating your opinion as fact, just because you do not like the game does not mean it was a failure. True Crime was a rushed lame glitchfest put out by weak devs. Volition actually takes time to freaking work on their games and make them playable. Again apart from being influended in open world mission based mechanics, I am still not seeing how SR is a complete copy of GTa or trying to copy its style.

The first one is an xbox game that had to be moved to 360. The 2nd one had a completly different feel then any GTA I have played, honestly it fely more like a relaxed version of mercenaries.

Seriously, I didn't like SR2... but SR3 looks awesome!

[QUOTE="heretrix"]

[QUOTE="Mercenary848"]

That is another flawed mindset, people make it seem as if GTA owns the open world genre. Not to mention they play differently. For now on I will go into every Halo thread and say this is a DOOM rip.

Mercenary848

Copying GTA isn't a necessarily a bad thing, SR just doesn't pull it off as well imo. If you want to go into other threads and make ridiculous arguments because of what I'm saying in this thread, be my guest.

First calm it down a notch, its just a disscusion.

Second, of course it was influenced by GTA, but that does not mean it was trying to be the same game. And you have a serious issue with stating your opinion as fact, just because you do not like the game does not mean it was a failure. True Crime was a rushed lame glitchfest put out by weak devs. Volition actually takes time to freaking work on their games and make them playable. Again apart from being influended in open world mission based mechanics, I am still not seeing how SR is a complete copy of GTa or trying to copy its style.

The first one is an xbox game that had to be moved to 360. The 2nd one had a completly different feel then any GTA I have played, honestly it fely more like a relaxed version of mercenaries.

You were the one that stated you were going to go into another thread and claim Halo ripped off Doom. Don't say silly things if you don't want to be called out on them as being silly. So who really needs to calm down here? You seem to be reading into my comments about SR as me disliking the game instead of what they are,my personal criticisms. I never stated them as fact.

"SR just doesn't pull it off as well IMO"

That doesn't look like me stating my opinon as fact, It just looks like you are reading what you want to.If you really want to have a discussion, try having one about things that are actually stated instead of your interpetation of what was stated.

Sorry I edited it, I figured it was one of those things everyone knew, like Obi Wan dies.

Mercenary848

Slow , Steady, and Open World Gameplay vs Fast, Rough, and Slightly Smaller World.
Its a matter of preference. I love SR2 , and a scene in the game made me sadder than both endings of GTA4. Doesnt mean GTA is in no way a bad game though.

TrapJak

Mind me asking what scene that was?

Anyways, I got into Saints Row 2 really quickly. I have never liked any of the GTA games, they always seemed boring to me.

Our society is obsessed with "best" in anything. So people seem to want to prove there preferences are what's best. I look at games like I do ice cream....i like one flavor best but still enjoy others. What is the point of caring about which is better or the original if you can have fun with either?cainetao11

My problem with all of this is you can't have a resonable conversation about it without soemone branding you a hater.

I liked GTA, but GTA4 put me off from the series for good. I didnt play SR1 but with Gentlement of the Row SR2 became one of the most fun games I have played in a long while. Looking forward to SR3 and if they can fix the awful, repetitive mission design, I will look forward to GTA5 as well.

GTA4 was a good game ruined by one massive flaw, the mission design.

I liked GTA, but GTA4 put me off from the series for good. I didnt play SR1 but with Gentlement of the Row SR2 became one of the most fun games I have played in a long while. Looking forward to SR3 and if they can fix the awful mission design, I will look forward to GTA5 as well.

GTA4 was a good game ruined by one massive flaw, the mission design.

Maroxad

[QUOTE="Maroxad"]

I liked GTA, but GTA4 put me off from the series for good. I didnt play SR1 but with Gentlement of the Row SR2 became one of the most fun games I have played in a long while. Looking forward to SR3 and if they can fix the awful mission design, I will look forward to GTA5 as well.

GTA4 was a good game ruined by one massive flaw, the mission design.

berserker2389

After playing SR2, with the Gentlemen of the Row mod. I wanted to, but I dont have a xbox 360 anymore. :(

I like Saints Row, but I don't love it. The game lacks the polish of the current GTA games, while the story, graphics, depth and mechanics all don't work as well.

That said, I love both games. One more then the other (GTA IV more then Saints Row), but SR is still a blast. Its hard to understand why GTA gets the hate, its damn near perfect (or at least was when it came out), and I can't wait for GTA V.

I like Saints Row, but I don't love it. The game lacks the polish of the current GTA games, while the story, graphics, depth and mechanics all don't work as well.

That said, I love both games. One more then the other (GTA IV more then Saints Row), but SR is still a blast. Its hard to understand why GTA gets the hate, its damn near perfect (or at least was when it came out), and I can't wait for GTA V.

SPYDER0416

You couldn't punch people in the balls or run around in a thong. That's what people consider fun these days.