Why does punching someone in FPS = Instant Kill?

I never understood this concept.

You can unload a fullclip into an opponent and chances are they'll still be standing (especially in games like Halo), albeit with 1% health, but still not dead, but punching an opponent (or in the case with CoD Stabbing) with full health will most certinaly drop them immediatley.

Is everyone in VG land super powerful that a punch will automatically knock someone out or a stab to the toe will instanly murder them.

I think if it left them dazed or shaken up (kind of like a flashbang - the whiteness) it would be much more realistic. But I guess until that day, i'm stuck playing as the Hulk in every FPS game.

The idea that its much harder to get a melee hit in a shooter so that you are rewarded for it.Birdy09

Knifing someone is cod4 is so awesome 8).... In MW2 in the other hand... me dont like being knifed from a cross the map.

Bad Company 2 I can understand simply because a lot of times you have to go such a far distance to knife someone, it gives them ample opportunity to see you.

But in Modern Noobfare 2 and Halo 3.... It's just dumb.

Because God said "Mama said knock you out" and then upon thine holy will, a giant fist from the heavens emerged and who so ever it touched got knocked the *bleep* out in one blow.

Serious answer: In CoD4 hardcore mode, it's 1-3 shots and the tango is down, and one knife kill making it close to accurate as it can get. When people play games like Halo or CoD in normal mode, yeah I can see your frustration there TC.

For halo it's because you have super strength. For other games i have no idea why. I guess it's for those epeen kills kids love.

I hate the punch=1-shot kill mechanic.

Very rarely is a punch fatal IRL.

I mean, how does a punch do more damage than a .301 round to the chest?

Er you should try playing more FPSs because not all of them do that.

It merely balances the game out, by adding another dimension to the combat. What would you do if you an advisory were directly in front of each other and there was no melee?R3FURBISHED

[QUOTE="R3FURBISHED"]It merely balances the game out, by adding another dimension to the combat. What would you do if you an advisory were directly in front of each other and there was no melee?KukicAdo

Let's take Halo as an example (because that is a game I can make an example out of :P) -- When Halo 2 launched originally, a player needed 3 melees to kill their opponent. One to bring down the shield and two to kill them. This became such a ridiculous Spartan punching ballet that Bungie changed it to two melees to kill. And Halo has benefited greatly from this -- much like I think it will with the new assassinations; where an assassination requires the attacker to render themselves completely defenseless and vulnerable for 2-3 seconds in order to deliver the final blow.

So what does this mean? The melee strength is dependent upon the game itself and what will work best for the situations the players find themselves in.
Look at Killzone II. You have a melee that requires, what? 4-5 strikes to bring down the opponent with full health (on the hard difficulty at least) or use a knife that requires 1-2 strikes.

[QUOTE="KukicAdo"][QUOTE="R3FURBISHED"]It merely balances the game out, by adding another dimension to the combat. What would you do if you an advisory were directly in front of each other and there was no melee?R3FURBISHED

Let's take Halo as an example (because that is a game I can make an example out of :P) -- When Halo 2 launched originally, a player needed 3 melees to kill their opponent. One to bring down the shield and two to kill them. This became such a ridiculous Spartan punching ballet that Bungie changed it to two melees to kill. And Halo has benefited greatly from this -- much like I think it will with the new assassinations; where an assassination requires the attacker to render themselves completely defenseless and vulnerable for 2-3 seconds in order to deliver the final blow.

So what does this mean? The melee strength is dependent upon the game itself and what will work best for the situations the players find themselves in.
Look at Killzone II. You have a melee that requires, what? 4-5 strikes to bring down the opponent with full health (on the hard difficulty at least) or use a knife that requires 1-2 strikes.

I think games that are aiming for realism (like CoD, Killzone, etc.) its perfectly justifiable, even if silly looking, to have it take more than a single punch to knockdown an opponent. Location should matter too. I hate how in MW2, i stab people in the foot and they die. It's a joke.

KukicAdo

Killzone 2 does the melee very well, I think.

The way you swing around your weapon, the butt stroke into a muzzle jab doesn't look like a fatal blow. However, if you are struck repeatedly with this combination it will bring you to your knees. These are solid steel weapons that carry a good bit of weight.

um...because it takes FAR more skill to run up to a dude shooting you and hitting him then it does shooting him from a far, this is a simple fact.

Melee in any game does not break the mechanics of the game, if you are getting meleed and killed alot then you obviously aren't doing it right, If I see someone rushing me I unload a clip into them, And I've yet to see any game EVER where if you unload a clip of any weapon and every shot hits they don't die, If they don't die you obviously didn't hit them with the majority of your bullets.

I absoltuely hate the melee 1 shot kill mechanic, it should maybe daze the enemy at MOST! How in the hell is a punch going to do anywhere near as much damage as a bullet? The auto aim melee in halo2 is the only crappy part of the game.

[QUOTE="Birdy09"]The idea that its much harder to get a melee hit in a shooter so that you are rewarded for it.KukicAdo

...And that happend to be my 3 kill with Harden on...So, I got a care package that happend to be a gunner chopper...

So, yeah, I was rewarded :lol:

Simple 1 hit = frag melee is realy stupid. It should be at least a backstab to insta-kill an enemy, like in TF2 with Spy class. Other than that melee weapons shouldn't be that overpowered. TF2 and KZ2 are doing it right, Halo and MW2 - wrong.

Simple 1 hit = frag melee is realy stupid. It should be at least a backstab to insta-kill an enemy, like in TF2 with Spy class. Other than that melee weapons shouldn't be that overpowered. TF2 and KZ2 are doing it right, Halo and MW2 - wrong.

Orchid87

[QUOTE="Orchid87"]

Simple 1 hit = frag melee is realy stupid. It should be at least a backstab to insta-kill an enemy, like in TF2 with Spy class. Other than that melee weapons shouldn't be that overpowered. TF2 and KZ2 are doing it right, Halo and MW2 - wrong.

Cherokee_Jack

How so?

Chuck Norris perkThunderdrone

Unlockable Saxton Hale pants

[QUOTE="Cherokee_Jack"][QUOTE="Orchid87"]

Simple 1 hit = frag melee is realy stupid. It should be at least a backstab to insta-kill an enemy, like in TF2 with Spy class. Other than that melee weapons shouldn't be that overpowered. TF2 and KZ2 are doing it right, Halo and MW2 - wrong.

Orchid87

How so?

because in order to dualwield, have no recoil, sprint faster than everyone with 35+ lbs of equipment, you hvae to be godlike

Becouse otherwise it would be useless. silversix_

I'm not 100% sure, but I may have a realistic answer for this: Body armor.

Bulletproof vests and the like are meant to do just that: Stop or weaken the damage of bullet. However, these vests don't always have the same kind of luck with knife blades. On top of this, a close attacker could just knife between armor or in the side which, assuming they hit vital organs (which they would), would be a kill.

I understand the whole "risk vs. reward" concept, but I also agree that the games with more than one hit melee kills get it right. BC2 I find acceptable because of how big the maps are and how long the animation / cool down is for knifing. Uncharted 2 did it good as well with the 2-hit melee kill or 1 hit stealth kill mechanic.

I'm not 100% sure, but I may have a realistic answer for this: Body armor.

Bulletproof vests and the like are meant to do just that: Stop or weaken the damage of bullet. However, these vests don't always have the same kind of luck with knife blades.Ryan_Som

Yeesh I thought it was well known, all FPS characters are trained in the arts of FALCOOOON PAAUUUUNNNCH!!!

[QUOTE="Ryan_Som"]

I'm not 100% sure, but I may have a realistic answer for this: Body armor.

Bulletproof vests and the like are meant to do just that: Stop or weaken the damage of bullet. However, these vests don't always have the same kind of luck with knife blades.Stumpt25

That's why I clarified it with the "knifing AROUND the body armor" part that you clipped out. ;)

Still, like I said, I wasn't 100% sure. In the end, they're games. As long as you have the opportunity to back away from your attacker and shoot them, I don't see a problem. That's something that can happen on BC2 that's rare for the COD games.

It's because the developers never played Zeno clash.

[QUOTE="Stumpt25"]

[QUOTE="Ryan_Som"]

I'm not 100% sure, but I may have a realistic answer for this: Body armor.

Bulletproof vests and the like are meant to do just that: Stop or weaken the damage of bullet. However, these vests don't always have the same kind of luck with knife blades.Ryan_Som

That's why I clarified it with the "knifing AROUND the body armor" part that you clipped out. ;)

Still, like I said, I wasn't 100% sure. In the end, they're games. As long as you have the opportunity to back away from your attacker and shoot them, I don't see a problem. That's something that can happen on BC2 that's rare for the COD games.

[QUOTE="Ryan_Som"]

[QUOTE="Stumpt25"] Not to burst your bubble, but this isn't true. Kevlar works equally well against knife attacks.

Stumpt25

That's why I clarified it with the "knifing AROUND the body armor" part that you clipped out. ;)

Still, like I said, I wasn't 100% sure. In the end, they're games. As long as you have the opportunity to back away from your attacker and shoot them, I don't see a problem. That's something that can happen on BC2 that's rare for the COD games.

Ahh, okay. Gotcha.

I'm quite used to it and I can see why they let it work that way but if there would be any other way, I'd suggest having the melee disorient you for a few sec so he/she can unload his/her clip into you.

If I punch someone in real life it equals Instant Kill too.

Simple 1 hit = frag melee is realy stupid. It should be at least a backstab to insta-kill an enemy, like in TF2 with Spy class. Other than that melee weapons shouldn't be that overpowered. TF2 and KZ2 are doing it right, Halo and MW2 - wrong.

Orchid87

I never understood this concept.

You can unload a fullclip into an opponent and chances are they'll still be standing (especially in games like Halo), albeit with 1% health, but still not dead, but punching an opponent (or in the case with CoD Stabbing) with full health will most certinaly drop them immediatley.

Is everyone in VG land super powerful that a punch will automatically knock someone out or a stab to the toe will instanly murder them.

I think if it left them dazed or shaken up (kind of like a flashbang - the whiteness) it would be much more realistic. But I guess until that day, i'm stuck playing as the Hulk in every FPS game.

KukicAdo

especially in CoD a knife cant kill someone by cutting their feet or penetrate through their vests, goes with BC2 too.

[QUOTE="Birdy09"]The idea that its much harder to get a melee hit in a shooter so that you are rewarded for it.KukicAdo

Well go get knifed across the chest and and get punched in the spine by a 7 fot tall supersoldier weighing in at 2000 pounds, were the connections of your brain are at and come back and say its silly.

um...because it takes FAR more skill to run up to a dude shooting you and hitting him then it does shooting him from a far, this is a simple fact.

Melee in any game does not break the mechanics of the game, if you are getting meleed and killed alot then you obviously aren't doing it right, If I see someone rushing me I unload a clip into them, And I've yet to see any game EVER where if you unload a clip of any weapon and every shot hits they don't die, If they don't die you obviously didn't hit them with the majority of your bullets.

in halo it's only a one hit kill from behind. it's called a backtap or an assassination. from the front it has always been 3. no to mention that you are a genetically enhanced super soilder lol.

TF2 and KZ2 are doing it right, Halo and MW2 - wrong.

Orchid87

you obviously don't play halo or you would know that its 3 in the front, 1 in the back. you are rewarded for the backtap ninja kill.

Realism in video games suck. Instant melee kills (Or overly powerful) are in place to reward you for closing the gap & because it would be awkward standing right next to someone firing into them while they do the same, even if its just for a few seconds.

I agree with TC. What it should do is stun the opponent for enough time to pump him fullof lead. This way its realistic and rewarding.

It makes perfect sense in Halo because you're a super-soldier who can flip over tanks and you're wearing power armour. Your punch SHOULD do some mega damage. It's dumb in any other game, but to be honest i cant think of any other games where you can punch someone and kill them....Ninja-Hippo