Why does the system with FF, MGS, DQ seems to always win the war? Sony might win

Nintendo won twice, but lost it in the third gen. Now they are on pace to win this gen without them, but that is a wait and see situation.

Sony has won the past two gens with those titles, so why wouldn't it be a good assumption it is going to happen again. Yes I know not everyone buys those games, but there is some merit to this theory.

Microsofft will never win a gen as long as Japan refuses them, but if they keep their domination of the US market andmaintaina goodfoothold of the European market I thinkMS will be happy with their position. They might sell 50+ million consoles.

DQ = Dairy Queen?

You forgot Resident Evil, which kept Gamecube up.

DQ = Dairy Queen?

You forgot Resident Evil, which kept Gamecube up.

orazinac

Dragon Quest, which is actually on the DS right now, with a spinoff on the Wii. No PS3 version planned.

As for FF XIII and MGS 4, yes, those will be incredibly fun to play and should make and PS3 ownder get happiness seizures in anticipation.

GC had two of the 3, and ended in 3rdSonic_on_crack

Dragon Quest, which is actually on the DS right now, with a spinoff on the Wii. No PS3 version planned.

As for FF XIII and MGS 4, yes, those will be incredibly fun to play and should make and PS3 ownder get happiness seizures in anticipation.

osirisomeomi

Yes Sony and Nintendo both won in the past when they had those titles. However I think you're making an error in your assumptions. Did Sony and Nintendo win because they had those titles, or did they have those titles because they were winning their respective generations. Don't forget, FFVII was originally slated for the N64 until Square saw their incredibly lackluster sales, MGS simply couldn't be done on a cartridge, and DQ ceased to be a big seller outside Japan long ago.

There are much bigger and more important titles the console manufacturers are interested in these days. While the titles you mentionedmay help keep the PS3 afloat, I feel you're giving them far too much credit if you think they can swing the sales war back into Sony's favor entirely.

Finally, next gen sales in Japan make up a small portion of total worldwide sales. None of the 3 consoles need them to win this gen, but it would definitely help. And while Japanese consumers may be ignoring the 360, it has certainly caught the attention of Japanese devs, getting much love from Capcom and Namcoamong others.

[QUOTE="osirisomeomi"]

Dragon Quest, which is actually on the DS right now, with a spinoff on the Wii. No PS3 version planned.

As for FF XIII and MGS 4, yes, those will be incredibly fun to play and should make and PS3 ownder get happiness seizures in anticipation.

too_much_eslim

The main iterations always appear on the system the spin offs go to. It has a better chance of going to Wii considering the hardware numbers, the fact that DQ series has never been about groundbreaking visuals and the fact that Square has said they intend to balance their franchises out over the systems this generation.

If DQ does come to the PS3, then that would be a huge boost.

But I have a feeling it might stay on the DS.

If DQ does come to the PS3, then that would be a huge boost.

But I have a feeling it might stay on the DS.

the-very-best

Especially in Japan, where they have a rule saying that you can not release DQ games on school days.

[QUOTE="too_much_eslim"][QUOTE="osirisomeomi"]

Dragon Quest, which is actually on the DS right now, with a spinoff on the Wii. No PS3 version planned.

As for FF XIII and MGS 4, yes, those will be incredibly fun to play and should make and PS3 ownder get happiness seizures in anticipation.

iunderstand

The main iterations always appear on the system the spin offs go to. It has a better chance of going to Wii considering the hardware numbers, the fact that DQ series has never been about groundbreaking visuals and the fact that Square has said they intend to balance their franchises out over the systems this generation.

Yes Sony and Nintendo both won in the past when they had those titles. However I think you're making an error in your assumptions. Did Sony and Nintendo win because they had those titles, or did they have those titles because they were winning their respective generations. Don't forget, FFVII was originally slated for the N64 until Square saw their incredibly lackluster sales, MGS simply couldn't be done on a cartridge, and DQ ceased to be a big seller outside Japan long ago.

There are much bigger and more important titles the console manufacturers are interested in these days. While the titles you mentionedmay help keep the PS3 afloat, I feel you're giving them far too much credit if you think they can swing the sales war back into Sony's favor entirely.

Finally, next gen sales in Japan make up a small portion of total worldwide sales. None of the 3 consoles need them to win this gen, but it would definitely help. And while Japanese consumers may be ignoring the 360, it has certainly caught the attention of Japanese devs, getting much love from Capcom and Namcoamong others.

myke2010

[QUOTE="Sonic_on_crack"]GC had two of the 3, and ended in 3rdtoo_much_eslim

[QUOTE="myke2010"]

Yes Sony and Nintendo both won in the past when they had those titles. However I think you're making an error in your assumptions. Did Sony and Nintendo win because they had those titles, or did they have those titles because they were winning their respective generations. Don't forget, FFVII was originally slated for the N64 until Square saw their incredibly lackluster sales, MGS simply couldn't be done on a cartridge, and DQ ceased to be a big seller outside Japan long ago.

There are much bigger and more important titles the console manufacturers are interested in these days. While the titles you mentionedmay help keep the PS3 afloat, I feel you're giving them far too much credit if you think they can swing the sales war back into Sony's favor entirely.

Finally, next gen sales in Japan make up a small portion of total worldwide sales. None of the 3 consoles need them to win this gen, but it would definitely help. And while Japanese consumers may be ignoring the 360, it has certainly caught the attention of Japanese devs, getting much love from Capcom and Namcoamong others.

too_much_eslim

Yes, I stated that. Nintendo also lost 3rd party support due to liscensing agreements that heavily favored Nintendo with what was perceived to be more then their fair share of the profits.

In any case, after two successful gens N blew it. Sony after two successful gens is also blowing it, albeit with different mistakes. There's no reason to think Sony will come out on top simply because they have in the past.

[QUOTE="Sonic_on_crack"]GC had two of the 3, and ended in 3rdwhite_sox

RE4 was the remake or the crappy spinoff?

[QUOTE="too_much_eslim"][QUOTE="myke2010"]

Yes Sony and Nintendo both won in the past when they had those titles. However I think you're making an error in your assumptions. Did Sony and Nintendo win because they had those titles, or did they have those titles because they were winning their respective generations. Don't forget, FFVII was originally slated for the N64 until Square saw their incredibly lackluster sales, MGS simply couldn't be done on a cartridge, and DQ ceased to be a big seller outside Japan long ago.

There are much bigger and more important titles the console manufacturers are interested in these days. While the titles you mentionedmay help keep the PS3 afloat, I feel you're giving them far too much credit if you think they can swing the sales war back into Sony's favor entirely.

Finally, next gen sales in Japan make up a small portion of total worldwide sales. None of the 3 consoles need them to win this gen, but it would definitely help. And while Japanese consumers may be ignoring the 360, it has certainly caught the attention of Japanese devs, getting much love from Capcom and Namcoamong others.

myke2010

Yes, I stated that.

[QUOTE="myke2010"][QUOTE="too_much_eslim"][QUOTE="myke2010"]

Yes Sony and Nintendo both won in the past when they had those titles. However I think you're making an error in your assumptions. Did Sony and Nintendo win because they had those titles, or did they have those titles because they were winning their respective generations. Don't forget, FFVII was originally slated for the N64 until Square saw their incredibly lackluster sales, MGS simply couldn't be done on a cartridge, and DQ ceased to be a big seller outside Japan long ago.

There are much bigger and more important titles the console manufacturers are interested in these days. While the titles you mentionedmay help keep the PS3 afloat, I feel you're giving them far too much credit if you think they can swing the sales war back into Sony's favor entirely.

Finally, next gen sales in Japan make up a small portion of total worldwide sales. None of the 3 consoles need them to win this gen, but it would definitely help. And while Japanese consumers may be ignoring the 360, it has certainly caught the attention of Japanese devs, getting much love from Capcom and Namcoamong others.

too_much_eslim

Yes, I stated that.

[QUOTE="too_much_eslim"][QUOTE="myke2010"]

Yes Sony and Nintendo both won in the past when they had those titles. However I think you're making an error in your assumptions. Did Sony and Nintendo win because they had those titles, or did they have those titles because they were winning their respective generations. Don't forget, FFVII was originally slated for the N64 until Square saw their incredibly lackluster sales, MGS simply couldn't be done on a cartridge, and DQ ceased to be a big seller outside Japan long ago.

There are much bigger and more important titles the console manufacturers are interested in these days. While the titles you mentionedmay help keep the PS3 afloat, I feel you're giving them far too much credit if you think they can swing the sales war back into Sony's favor entirely.

Finally, next gen sales in Japan make up a small portion of total worldwide sales. None of the 3 consoles need them to win this gen, but it would definitely help. And while Japanese consumers may be ignoring the 360, it has certainly caught the attention of Japanese devs, getting much love from Capcom and Namcoamong others.

myke2010

Yes, I stated that. Nintendo also lost 3rd party support due to liscensing agreements that heavily favored Nintendo with what was perceived to be more then their fair share of the profits.

In any case, after two successful gens N blew it. Sony after two successful gens is also blowing it, albeit with different mistakes. There's no reason to think Sony will come out on top simply because they have in the past.

Well, Nintendo seems to have a lock on the Dragon Quest games... especially Dragon Quest IX for DS.

But yeah, those are some of the most important Japanese franchises. I personally hope Sony does well, with FFXIII and MGS4 coming out in the future.

Metal Gear Solid has always been on the winning system because, so far, it's only been on Sony consoles.

MGS is insignificant in the grand scheme of things; its never been a system seller.

[QUOTE="osirisomeomi"]

Dragon Quest, which is actually on the DS right now, with a spinoff on the Wii. No PS3 version planned.

As for FF XIII and MGS 4, yes, those will be incredibly fun to play and should make and PS3 ownder get happiness seizures in anticipation.

too_much_eslim

thats pretty stupid logic. those franchises aren't even that big really (well they were really big, but FF and MGS arenot as big as they used to be) and DQ is a nintendo franchise for now (excluding spinoffs)

but yeah, the ps3 is the only real threat to the wii in the long run, if it eventually takes off.

[QUOTE="Sonic_on_crack"]GC had two of the 3, and ended in 3rdtoo_much_eslim

GC had FFCC , and MGS twin snakes and it lost period . Halo and GTA outsell these series anyways

I think your seeing a coincidence between winning systems, and taking it as the reason they won.

Plus, the rule doesn't exactly line up: Final Fantasy games have been on PC, Nintendo consoles and even Xbox consoles.

MGS 2 was also on Xbox.

These games tend to be on consoles because their winning, not because they make them win.

thats pretty stupid logic. those franchises aren't even that big really (well they were really big, but FF and MGS arenot as big as they used to be) and DQ is a nintendo franchise for now (excluding spinoffs)

but yeah, the ps3 is the only real threat to the wii in the long run, if it eventually takes off.

---OkeyDokey---

Metal Gear Solid has always been on the winning system because, so far, it's only been on Sony consoles.

MGS is insignificant in the grand scheme of things; its never been a system seller.

OregonTrailing

The Metal Gear series didn't start on Playstation however... only the Metal Gear Solid part of it.

I think your seeing a coincidence between winning systems, and taking it as the reason they won.Danm_999

Microsofft will never win a gen as long as Japan refuses them, but if they keep their domination of the US market andmaintaina goodfoothold of the European market I thinkMS will be happy with their position. They might sell 50+ million consoles.

too_much_eslim

Is this rule true either? Theoretically, if a console dominates Europe and North America, it can outsell anything in Japan. Is Japan necessary to success, or is it just that all successful companies have been Japanese?

Not to mention the most successful form of gaming is virtually absent in Japan.

[QUOTE="too_much_eslim"][QUOTE="Sonic_on_crack"]GC had two of the 3, and ended in 3rdSonic_on_crack

GC had FFCC , and MGS twin snakes and it lost period .Halo and GTA outsell these series anyways

so? i could name atleast 10 other series that also sell better, i don't think thats what the TC is trying to say though.

[QUOTE="too_much_eslim"]

Microsofft will never win a gen as long as Japan refuses them, but if they keep their domination of the US market andmaintaina goodfoothold of the European market I thinkMS will be happy with their position. They might sell 50+ million consoles.

Danm_999

Is this rule true either? Theoretically, if a console dominates Europe and North America, it can outsell anything in Japan. Is Japan necessary to success, or is it just that all successful companies have been Japanese?

Not to mention the most successful form of gaming is virtually absent in Japan.

Not only will FF and DQ-universe games be appearing on Wii, your argument is specious and lacks any sort of statistical backbone.ZebethOrZebes

[QUOTE="Danm_999"][QUOTE="too_much_eslim"]

Microsofft will never win a gen as long as Japan refuses them, but if they keep their domination of the US market andmaintaina goodfoothold of the European market I thinkMS will be happy with their position. They might sell 50+ million consoles.

too_much_eslim

Is this rule true either? Theoretically, if a console dominates Europe and North America, it can outsell anything in Japan. Is Japan necessary to success, or is it just that all successful companies have been Japanese?

Not to mention the most successful form of gaming is virtually absent in Japan.

In the West fans of those types of games don't really make up the majority of the market anymore though. Japanese developer support, while important, isn't theoretically crucial. I mean, look at the best selling games of the late in the West; GTA, Halo, Gears of War, The Sims, Blizzard games, Madden, FIFA.

Conceivably, a console could sell excellently in Europe and North America without Japanese support, it'd hurt not to have Final Fantasy, Mario or MGS, but it's not necessarily fatal.

Nintendo won twice, but lost it in the third gen. Now they are on pace to win this gen without them, but that is a wait and see situation.

Sony has won the past two gens with those titles, so why wouldn't it be a good assumption it is going to happen again. Yes I know not everyone buys those games, but there is some merit to this theory.

Microsofft will never win a gen as long as Japan refuses them, but if they keep their domination of the US market andmaintaina goodfoothold of the European market I thinkMS will be happy with their position. They might sell 50+ million consoles.

too_much_eslim

Mario and Zelda couldn't carry the n64 to more sales than the PS1, why should MGS4 and FFXIII be any different with the PS3? Using your logic, it should fail based on the evidence of how mario and zelda didn't help the n64 to victory.

[QUOTE="too_much_eslim"][QUOTE="Danm_999"][QUOTE="too_much_eslim"]

Microsofft will never win a gen as long as Japan refuses them, but if they keep their domination of the US market andmaintaina goodfoothold of the European market I thinkMS will be happy with their position. They might sell 50+ million consoles.

Danm_999

Is this rule true either? Theoretically, if a console dominates Europe and North America, it can outsell anything in Japan. Is Japan necessary to success, or is it just that all successful companies have been Japanese?

Not to mention the most successful form of gaming is virtually absent in Japan.

In the West fans of those types of games don't really make up the majority of the market anymore though. Japanese developer support, while important, isn't theoretically crucial. I mean, look at the best selling games of the late in the West; GTA, Halo, Gears of War, The Sims, Blizzard games, Madden, FIFA.

Conceivably, a console could sell excellently in Europe and North America without Japanese support, it'd hurt not to have Final Fantasy, Mario or MGS, but it's not necessarily fatal.

[QUOTE="too_much_eslim"]

Nintendo won twice, but lost it in the third gen. Now they are on pace to win this gen without them, but that is a wait and see situation.

Sony has won the past two gens with those titles, so why wouldn't it be a good assumption it is going to happen again. Yes I know not everyone buys those games, but there is some merit to this theory.

Microsofft will never win a gen as long as Japan refuses them, but if they keep their domination of the US market andmaintaina goodfoothold of the European market I thinkMS will be happy with their position. They might sell 50+ million consoles.

gamer620

Mario and Zelda couldn't carry the n64 to more sales than the PS1, why should MGS4 and FFXIII be any different with the PS3? Using your logic, it should fail based on the evidence of how mario and zelda didn't help the n64 to victory.

Correlation does not imply causation...trup522

*Looks at the PSP..*

If you say so..

*Looks at the PSP..*

If you say so..

user_nat

[QUOTE="too_much_eslim"][QUOTE="osirisomeomi"]

Dragon Quest, which is actually on the DS right now, with a spinoff on the Wii. No PS3 version planned.

As for FF XIII and MGS 4, yes, those will be incredibly fun to play and should make and PS3 ownder get happiness seizures in anticipation.

Just_in

Perhaps you should take your own advice?

[QUOTE="trup522"]Correlation does not imply causation...too_much_eslim

Your title implies heavily correlation though.